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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 68Ripper on August 31, 2006, 12:30:52 PM
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The number of Rooks and Bish are getting way out of hand in comparison to knits, there should be something in place to put newbs to the country with the least amount of people. Once in that country they should have to stay for a minimum of one month, after which, if they wanted to switch countries they could. the way it is now with knits being outnumbered each and every day everyone jumps ship cause they don't want to be on the side that is (losing) outnumbered all the time. this could eventually lead to even sides all around. just a thought
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Heres some light reading. :D discussed several times
https://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=170260&highlight=rook+and+outnumber
https://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=127349&highlight=rook+and+outnumber
https://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=126918&highlight=rook+and+outnumber
https://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91062&highlight=rook+and+outnumber
https://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61534&highlight=rook+and+outnumber
https://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54542&highlight=rook+and+outnumber
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Originally posted by 68Ripper
The number of Rooks and Bish are getting way out of hand in comparison to knits, there should be something in place to put newbs to the country with the least amount of people. Once in that country they should have to stay for a minimum of one month, after which, if they wanted to switch countries they could. the way it is now with knits being outnumbered each and every day everyone jumps ship cause they don't want to be on the side that is (losing) outnumbered all the time. this could eventually lead to even sides all around. just a thought
Fight the Bish more. I've noticed all of this week, the Knights are concertrating on the Rooks. Rooks are hitting two fronts constantly. Be funny, if the others were like that, but..................
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Personally I like being on the outnumbered side. More enemys for me :D
put newbs to the country with the least amount of people. Once in that country they should have to stay for a minimum of one month, after which, if they wanted to switch countries they could.
So you're saying a new guy that just signed up because his neighbor/friend/brother gets him interested in the game and talks him into a subscribtion (" hey sign up and fly with us will help you get through the rough spots") but when he signs up he got a 1 out of 3 chance he may end up in a different country and fly with someone he doesnt know? :confused: and now he doesnt have as much fun and has to wait a month to fly with friends? :huh
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Originally posted by 68Ripper
The number of Rooks and Bish are getting way out of hand in comparison to knits, . ...............
they don't want to be on the side that is (losing) outnumbered all the time. thought
Rooks have the best team, lot of players /SQDs with experience, but you Knights lose cuz you are dumb tactic not cuz u r outnumbered, you guys deserve to lose and get ganged
I was watching last evening at rooks taking bases undefended at knight HQ area, but 100+knits were CAPing,vulching bish bases A41/A42 , your SQD/CH and many others, Soo why are you crying about ?
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Originally posted by ghi
Rooks have the best team, lot of players /SQDs with experience, but you Knights lose cuz you are dumb tactic not cuz u r outnumbered, you guys deserve to lose and get ganged
I was watching last evening at rooks taking bases undefended at knight HQ area, but 100+knits were CAPing,vulching bish bases A41/A42 , your SQD/CH and many others, Soo why are you crying about ?
:lol :rofl :lol :rofl :lol :rofl :lol :rofl
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i flew with the knights for 3 weeks.mainly with JG/44 Nighthawks doobs and company.when the Equanox map was up the majority of the knights were furballing with the bish at A-3 in the north west corner of that map.seems like 55% of them just want to furball, cherrypick and vulch while folks who want to keep the bases from being taken and take other bases are stuck on country channel trying to get others to help only frustrating themselves and logging off.
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Originally posted by ghi
Rooks have the best team, lot of players /SQDs with experience, but you Knights lose cuz you are dumb tactic not cuz u r outnumbered, you guys deserve to lose and get ganged
I was watching last evening at rooks taking bases undefended at knight HQ area, but 100+knits were CAPing,vulching bish bases A41/A42 , your SQD/CH and many others, Soo why are you crying about ?
my squad was fighting rooks, ask the many Rooks I killed last night at spawn into 60 I believe it was. And I'm not crying just trying to come up with a solution to the uneven sides.
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My squad went Rooks for a week. Was no different at all from the Knit side of the world. Lots participated in missions...lots did not. Lots gave check 6's...lots did not. Lots furballed...lots did not. Same stuff, different country. When the Knit's have the numbers they win. When they don't they lose. I might be wrong but I can't remember a single time when the country that's outnumbered wins or the largest side loses. IMHO, it's pretty easy to see that being outnumbered is 99% of the reason a side does poorly. Once a side begins to lose then more people defect and it snowballs.
As far as evening the numbers, I don't think assigning all noobs to the lowest side would help, it'll probably hurt. As someone else pointed out it penalizes them and it also penalizes the outnumbered side because it becomes overloaded with inexperienced guys and eventually the experienced ones will "cross over".
How about a draft though? Kinda like the NFL's expansion team draft. The low side can draft guys from the other countries based on a vote using the roster....sorry ghi you can't come...lol.
Just in case someone doesn't figure it out I'm kidding about the draft...but ghi still can't come...lol:D
Mace
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Originally posted by ghi
Rooks have the best team, lot of players /SQDs with experience, but you Knights lose cuz you are dumb tactic not cuz u r outnumbered, you guys deserve to lose and get ganged
For an experienced player that's about the most inane thing I've heard. Or is it just young teen chest thumping? cuz yur spilling leaves mush to be desired. (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/spezial/Sarge/Whatever_anim.gif)
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I'm thinking English probably isn't the first language of Transylvania, Lye.
I'd also agree that the tactics employed aren't normally more complex than making sure they have a 6 to 1 advantage, and trying to pour enough NOE lancasters onto a field to make sure that no defenders can get up.
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The fair weather flyers will always go to the side that has the numbers. That is just the way it is. Penalizing folks in not the answer to this or any other game play peoblem.
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Originally posted by ghi
Rooks have the best team, lot of players /SQDs with experience, but you Knights lose cuz you are dumb tactic not cuz u r outnumbered, you guys deserve to lose and get ganged
I was watching last evening at rooks taking bases undefended at knight HQ area, but 100+knits were CAPing,vulching bish bases A41/A42 , your SQD/CH and many others, Soo why are you crying about ?
I disgree Ghi. The issue isnt team quality at all -- and I just came Nit (to get more enemies to shoot at!) after 2+ years of being a Rook.
Most guys play the game to have fun. Dont forget that....most people could care less about strategy. The last major attempt to "change the face of AH with a new era of strategy" fizzled and self destructed, since nobody wants to be told what to do.
Giving "orders" so "we win" amounts to nothing more than telling other people that they are only allowed to have fun the way the general says. Naturally, most generals are routinely ignored, and either run to another country after a fine rant, or find some underlings who will obey their "strategy."
Such "strategy" usually amounts to getting a big enough pile of players to A) horde, pork and vulch a defended base, or B) deter anyone from taking off in the first place.
Playing for fun means that if stopping a horde isnt fun, it wont get done. Bases are often undefended not because of stupidity, but because its pointless for 1-2 guys to defend against 20. And pointless is *not fun*
I took a month and toured all 3 countries, since there are so many good people I've simply never met by staying on rooks. I can assure you, there is no difference between each side's tactics and player base.
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just transfer all the BK's to the nites! The can take on ALL the bish and rooks and WIN...problem solved.:O
next issue??!!
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Always cracks me up when folks try and suggest that players on the 'other team' do things differently.
It just isn't so. People are people, having fun the way they want to. Bottom line is generally the team with the most people horde/base captures the most because they can overwhelm the lower number guys.
I find if I don't pay attention to the strategy bit, I have a lot more fun. Just look for the biggest red bar and go get shot at. That works on whatever team you are on :)
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Guppy, I dunno about that... The end results may be the same but different groups go about things entirely different.
Example: I've been flying as a knight for a while now. My observations here are not intended as a slight to any given pilot, but are a general observation of the other teams I've seen.
Bish are more skilled in general at fighting. They will actively engage in fights and what have you. When they run missions they are usually small coordinated pork-fests, meant to milkrun rear bases for better shock value. These missions are easily stopped if anybody gets up off their arse and just ups so much as 1 plane to take them on (don't have to kill them just disrupt their plans).
Rooks are less skilled in general at fighting and avoid it at all costs. Rooks (by far, more so than bish) will come in at 20k in hordes of the same plane, dive to the deck, drop all ord they had on a field, make 2-3 very high speed vulch passes (ignoring the 25+ fighters in the area that are actually capapble of fighting back) then run for home in high-speed late war planes. Most rooks don't fight well if you catch them. Most rooks will suicidally swarm a field close to their front lines with 100+ of their own and just horde the hell out of it. After 20 minutes of vulching and all porkable things being killed, somebody might bring a goon in (maybe) and take the field, but the fight's already spilled over to the next closest field. So they just progress one at a time linearly, whichever way the vulching leads them.
Going back to the comment about knights ignoring the rook front: Maybe it's because the real fight is on the bish front? I know for me I prefer the bish front because they actually fight back.
Again, total generalization, but whenever I'm on the rook front the enemy just runs in, dives down, runs out, never letting themselves get into any danger. The bish on the other hand really can be annoying with the horde-running (like ack-running). I can't speak for the knights, as I'm in that group. I know we're disorganized as a whole and rarely have the numbers or the desire to win the reset, but we often get perk multipliers of 2.5x because we're outnumbered so badly! That might just be worth it! (naaah... but it's some consolation regardless)
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Rooks are less skilled in general at fighting and avoid it at all costs.
they usually do not fight unless you turn around and look the other way or there are 20 of them against 2.it is sad really and krusty your right the bish are the ones who mainly fight(just about all of them HO you) without running away.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Rooks are less skilled in general at fighting and avoid it at all costs. Rooks (by far, more so than bish) will come in at 20k in hordes of the same plane, dive to the deck, drop all ord they had on a field, make 2-3 very high speed vulch passes (ignoring the 25+ fighters in the area that are actually capapble of fighting back) then run for home in high-speed late war planes. Most rooks don't fight well if you catch them. Most rooks will suicidally swarm a field close to their front lines with 100+ of their own and just horde the hell out of it. After 20 minutes of vulching and all porkable things being killed, somebody might bring a goon in (maybe) and take the field, but the fight's already spilled over to the next closest field. So they just progress one at a time linearly, whichever way the vulching leads them.
You smell so bad of chit, I caught wind 5 miles down the road.
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Originally posted by 68Ripper
my squad was fighting rooks, ask the many Rooks I killed last night at spawn into 60 I believe it was. And I'm not crying just trying to come up with a solution to the uneven sides.
I'm confused, so you were spawncamping and you think the numbers difference is hurting the game? :huh
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Guess what?
All sides horde... I've flown for each country and its all the same, in one sector you see 10+ guys attacking an undefended base and a sector away you see the other side using 10+ guys attacking the opposing team's undefended base.
Last night was very funny, I had an La7 (with alt) run from a 1v1 with me, nosed over to the deck and loitered above 3 flaks in an effort to bait me.
I have little hope for the future of AH, no one wants to fight, its all about the landgrab.
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well since ghi decided to mention the ch's on this thread i guess i need to do a rare reply, we try to be fare in our attacks , whether its bish or rooks, last night was bishes turn for our squad, the night before it was the rooks, to most of us it really doesn't matter where we fly, bish and rooks both have good squads to go against. every one that enjoy's the land grabing part of the game knows this is a numbers game.
XO of the C-Hawks
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Originally posted by Delirium
Guess what?
All sides horde... I've flown for each country and its all the same, in one sector you see 10+ guys attacking an undefended base and a sector away you see the other side using 10+ guys attacking the opposing team's undefended base.
Last night was very funny, I had an La7 (with alt) run from a 1v1 with me, nosed over to the deck and loitered above 3 flaks in an effort to bait me.
I have little hope for the future of AH, no one wants to fight, its all about the landgrab.
I agree Del, even the non-landgrabber/fighters don't even want to fight! lol If it's not a 2,3,4,5,6 vs 1 they generally fly "smart"/run!:aok
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Originally posted by Delirium
I have little hope for the future of AH, no one wants to fight, its all about the landgrab.
Ill keep my hope as long as theres still people doing things like THIS (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=186188).
>S< Delirium!
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Originally posted by Krusty
Bish are more skilled in general at fighting.
You're kidding, right?
My regards,
Widewing
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I don't think the "land Grab" is that big a problem. Its how its DONE thats the problem. To many of the big squads are using numbers to attack instead of using stratigy to attack. They have no imagination!
Sure, if you take 30+ player and everyone grabs hvy planes and 6 goons, its a piece of cake to over whelm a base and capture it. Some of these squads then take the 15-20 minutes to "rebuild" the base before continuing on. Use a little imagination !! - Pick a base cluster.(Most maps have "groups" of bases tied to gather by GV spawns)
- Group A-launch a few buff groups with a couple of fighters for cover to one base
- Goup b-Lanch a few fast fighters with cannons to another base to de-ack and kill radar
- Group c-Main group, launch a few GVs at the main target, and the rest in hvy fighters
With this set-up a large group "could" take 3 bases in about 45 minutes. Group A takes the long way to its base. By the time the group gets there the other groups are done there missions and are on the way to take the base asigned to Group A. Group B has done a quick in and out to deack and kill radar. The base is now set-up for a quick "grab and snatch" any time in the next 45 mins. If they were quick enough getting in and out the enemy may not even have seen the base flash. Group C does it the old fashon way and and has to work for it.
This plan can work as I've seen it done a number of times. Can it fail? You Bet !!! But there is the Challange!!! can you pull it off? Will you get all 3? Will the defenders defend and ruin your plans? This is the kind of Land Grab that is fun. People working together to both make a plan work, and to make a plan fail!
Use a little imagination and not only will it make it more fun for yourself, it could be more fun for everyone!! Too many people have fallin into the routine of "...ok let over whelm A231 next" Its boring for the horde.... not enough targets to go around... and the defenders won't bother any more... 5-6 to 1 odds isn't fun and where is the "challange"?
So all you "big squads" its up to you to make it fun for everyone ! Use some imagination ! Make a plan ! try something other than a "horde" attack. Be inventive !! And even the under dog country will have a "chance" to have fun!
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My squad flew Knights for about 6 months to help with the daytime number situation. Good pilots there and we enjoyed the non stop action that being outnumbered brings.
During the evening though Knights have just as many players as everyone else and we got a little frustrated at being double teamed by rooks/bish all the time.
Now rooks for at least a month kick our feet up and enjoy the easy life.
Bruv
~S~
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ok i just had to make 1 more comment on this topic. Krusty i personally agree with what you said about fighting bish over rooks, i too hate dealing with the long climb outs and the running that they do, i do really enjoy fighting the bish and i have nothing but respect for those i fight against on that side. now as the XO of a big squad like the c-hawks are, we do try to run mutiple ops at once, depending on the terrain and which map is up, last night alone we ran ops against 5 fields at once, be it bombing, fighter sweeps, porking or what ever. this thread is about the uneven numbers and it is something that should be addressed more, the ENY thing doesnt work,( and why, because the furballers whine about it) it really needs to be reworked or kick in with more effect. but untill then we are all just wasting our time on this subject because. as a rule most players are humans and they want to win the game, and to win in this game, numbers is the only way to do it.
XO of the C-Hawks
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Originally posted by Widewing
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Originally posted by Krusty
Bish are more skilled in general at fighting.
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You're kidding, right?
My regards,
Widewing
I don't know if it's more skill or not. I think it's just a willingness to fight.
I have to agree with Krusty's assessment of the Rooks. While not all rook pilots are like this the majority of them are. High alt, fast pass, go for the vulch, bomb everything out of existence.
I find fighting Knights much more enjoyable
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LOL - All countries are the same, only things that change are the numbers of each. Sure they have some small ideosyncracies of their own, but all in all they all horde, vulch, run, they all have alt monkies, little generals, good pilots, crappy pilots, crappy pilots that think their good etc.
Sim and Dan nailed it. :aok
Your right Fugitive, but for the land grabbers to do your 3 pronged approach would mean they would have to fight. I am starting to believe that all they want are easy kills and captures.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
they usually do not fight unless you turn around and look the other way or there are 20 of them against 2.it is sad really and krusty your right the bish are the ones who mainly fight(just about all of them HO you) without running away.
Same can be said of the Bishops and Knights. Timid flying isn't just limited to one country...you of all people should know this.
ack-ack
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Same can be said of the Bishops and Knights. Timid flying isn't just limited to one country...you of all people should know this.
you just got to always say somethin huh? do you feel better now?just like TC and the rest , always judgin a book by it's cover.
I fly into 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 on 1's all the time.i don't hover over a base where the fight is going on in a P-38-L full flaps lookin for a cherry to pick.Everytime i meet you in the sky in the MA you always disengage and go lookin for the cherry's to pick.
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lmao timid boy...we both fly on the same side and I fly the J not the L. Care to make up anymore stories? Like how good you are? lol
ack-ack
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lmao timid boy...we both fly on the same side and I fly the J not the L. Care to make up anymore stories? Like how good you are? lol
you just keep making stuff up your so good at it.come on i know you can do better than that.
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Every team has their turn in the barrel. A team runs under manned a while...then people switch, and suddenly someone else is undermanned. What amazes me is in a game where the side placement is so relaxed, that most night all 3 teams are within 20 or so pilots from eachother. Ya you have your odd nights where one side really shows up and its 210 to 180 to 140 but they are rare.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
you just got to always say somethin huh? do you feel better now?just like TC and the rest , always judgin a book by it's cover.
I fly into 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 on 1's all the time.i don't hover over a base where the fight is going on in a P-38-L full flaps lookin for a cherry to pick.Everytime i meet you in the sky in the MA you always disengage and go lookin for the cherry's to pick.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
OMG you need help.
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Umm...
nevermind.
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Go away AutoDork/Sweet2th/Revor wannabe.
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come on,
you gurls can do better than that, more personal attacks , show me your UBER NErdly hating skillz, come on now don't hold anything back.
when your done i will still b here not effected by your weak attempts to insult.
1020!
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This place is like a soap opera. I fly Rook. Always have. There are so many times where I see ALL sides, running, hoarding, vulching,picking, so on so forth. All I want to say is..... waaa!
Play, quit crying, have fun, or just quit.
;) Oz