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Title: What is a High yoyo, a low yoyo?
Post by: Samalpar on August 31, 2006, 03:49:34 PM
How do you perform a high yoyo a low yoyo or a regular yoyo.

Thanks in advance.
Title: What is a High yoyo, a low yoyo?
Post by: Spatula on August 31, 2006, 04:50:42 PM
First of all there's no such thing as just a yo-yo - its either high or low. Secondly a yoyo is a RELATIVE move; it describes a move which is relative manuevering to /around a bandit - eg it doesnt exist outside that context.

Both yoyos are moves to try turn with a bogey who can turn more effectively than you in a single plane (eg a flat turn, for example).

A high yoyo is a move you'd employ when your too fast to turn 'in plane' with the bogey. Say you dive on a zeke and attack from the rear, and he break turns. Now because your much faster than he is you wont make the turn, so you do a climbing turn to slow down then roll and pull down on the bogey's 6 again. Thats pretty much a high yoyo. It looks similar to a chandelle. Your converting your excess speed back into alt (conserving E), and now you have lost excess speed you can turn a lot tighter, then you roll and dive and regain your original speed (or 90% of it). It doesnt work to well for bogeys who do extended turns, but you could try repeated yoyos in that case?
http://www.flightsimbooks.com/jfs/page100.php


A low yoyo is a move you'd employ if your too slow to turn with or keep up with a bogey if you were to turn 'in plane'. This is the opposite of the above. Say you near stalling and cant control your a/c enough to continue to turn with the bogey. In this case, you nose low and do a dive-then-climb scooping turn in pure or lead-pursuit. The dive gains you the speed you need to turn and then you can hopefully 'cut the corner' and effectively turn with and sometimes catch the bogey and blast em.
http://www.flightsimbooks.com/jfs/page98.php


In the provided links ignore the missiles bit...
Title: What is a High yoyo, a low yoyo?
Post by: Samalpar on August 31, 2006, 10:19:01 PM
Thank for the reply.

Ive been implementing this manuver with good success.

FW190dora.
Title: What is a High yoyo, a low yoyo?
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 31, 2006, 10:29:29 PM
Samalpar, look for the book Every Man A Tiger: Mock-Combat Flying Techniques for Light Aircraft by Frank J. O'Brien.  It's a far easier read than Shaw's book.  I also recommend Shaw's book too but the writing is far more technical which can make it a hard read to understand.


ack-ack
Title: What is a High yoyo, a low yoyo?
Post by: Sweet2th on August 31, 2006, 11:11:54 PM
for the yo-yo think of a figure 8  


the high yo yo is the top of a figure 8





low yo yo is the bottom of the figure 8


keep the target in the center of the figure 8
Title: What is a High yoyo, a low yoyo?
Post by: Major Biggles on September 01, 2006, 06:37:16 AM
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
for the yo-yo think of a figure 8  


the high yo yo is the top of a figure 8





low yo yo is the bottom of the figure 8


keep the target in the center of the figure 8



not quite...

spatula has explained it well. the yo-yos are energy transforming maneuvers that can help you turn around an opponent, or gain a better shot, by changing your plain of motion. if you're too slow to turn with him you do a low yo yo, where you dive a bit in your turn, then come back up, or if you have too much energy, or just need to turn better, you do a high yo yo :)
Title: What is a High yoyo, a low yoyo?
Post by: hammer on September 01, 2006, 07:08:43 AM
(http://www.netaces.org/genacm/hiyoyo.gif)
High Yo-Yo

(http://www.netaces.org/genacm/lowyoyo.gif)
Low Yo-Yo

(http://atl.img.digitalriver.com/v2.0-img/operations/flambeau/image/3/0/0/300629-H.jpg)
Just a Yo-Yo
Title: What is a High yoyo, a low yoyo?
Post by: WMLute on September 01, 2006, 09:52:50 AM
hammer LOL

great pics btw.  I opt for a yoyo almost always.  It just gives you the best of both worlds.
Title: What is a High yoyo, a low yoyo?
Post by: Murdr on September 02, 2006, 01:40:57 AM
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Originally posted by hammer
(http://www.netaces.org/genacm/hiyoyo.gif)
High Yo-Yo

(http://www.netaces.org/genacm/lowyoyo.gif)
Low Yo-Yo


We have a winna! :)
Title: What is a High yoyo, a low yoyo?
Post by: Schatzi on September 02, 2006, 05:41:02 AM
I always use the "just a yoyo" move... it works great against three higher and faster opponents :D