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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Halo on September 01, 2006, 08:57:21 AM
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Just curious -- which handgun do you prefer, semi automatic pistol or revolver?
Of course the answer may be both, depending on the circumstances. So it's okay to break down into categories as you wish.
For example, for home defense I like the simplicity and reliability of a double action revolver, specifically a .357/.38.
For just plain fun target shooting, I like a .22 semiauto pistol.
For protection in big game territory, I'd want a .44 magnum single action revolver.
For backup in combat (foreign or domestic), I'd want a .45 semiauto pistol.
If I were stranded on a desert island or anywhere and could have just one handgun, I'd go with the .357/38 double action revolver.
To me, the biggest problem with semiautos is fully loaded magazine reliability over time. Several sources advise freshening magazines at least once a month. The whole idea of relying on a compressed spring over time is not encouraging.
What are your choices?
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Good point on the spring issue. For desert island castaways, I'd prefer a revolver for simplicity, but a semi-auto for everything else.
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It depends, for everyday carry a semi-auto, If I'm sticking up gas stations, revolver, dont want to leave any brass.
shamus
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Revolvers are more dependable, tend to hold better accuracy, leave no brass behind. I prefer semi auto Glock 19 (because thats what I carry) but always remember this, any gun is better than no gun at all.
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holo those are pretty good choices and reasons.
I cut my teeth on revolvers and 22 semi autos. Lately I have become fond of my Kimber 45 but... it isn't near the gun my chopped down ruger redhawk 44 is for plinking... very accurate at close range tho (25-75 yards)
For carry... nothing beats a j frame smith in .357 and made of scandium 12 oz and wicked. fits in the front pocket with no hassle. fires every time and doesn't leave brass around.
I also reload... it is about the same to load 45 or 44 soooo I shoot a lot of 44 mag.
I like revolvers... the new speedloaders are neat but.... if you need more than 5 or six shots then you need something other than a handgun anyway or.... you need to learn how to shoot.
I would not feel at a disadvantage with an old blackpowder single action revolver even. It's all about what happens when you hit the target not how cool you look while missing it.
lazs
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Originally posted by Yeager
any gun is better than no gun at all.
This is the philosophy behind why I really like small .22 semi-autos. You're much more likely to have it on you (because it's not a pain to carry around) that some big piece of iron that has "stopping power" as its primary virtue. The perfect gun left back at home isn't too helpful when trouble visits you elsewhere.
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chair... the only 22 that is easier to carry around and use than the smith 340 PD in .357 is the berreta jet. Most 22's are large guns for their bite.
These days there are some very small semi autos in 32 and 380 that are ok but... they aren't 100% reliable and can't be fired from a coat or pants pocket. The 340 PD can if you want.
Most people are not capable of shooting the 340 tho sooo....
lazs
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For plinking off my son-in-law's farm house porch I was looking for a .22 revolver so I wouldn't be spewing shell cases all over. I was considering a double-action Taurus but the model I saw was crude with a terrible trigger pull and hammer pattern way too rough on my thumb.
So I may get a single-action Ruger .22/mag convertible, except my Browning Buck Mark is such a sweet handler it's worth scrambling around picking up all the little brass.
For larger semiauto, I only recently learned Kimber is such a highly regarded brand. I see some of you have Kimber or Glock. Do you regard them as fairly even or do you definitely prefer one over the other?
We have a great local indoor firing range that lets you rent a wide choice of guns for $10 an hour. I enjoyed trying a Glock the other day and will try a Kimber soon.
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I have a K22 masterpiece that was made in 1947 No modern 22 revolver comes close in quality.
I like the trigger pull on the single action Kimber... I do not like the glocks at all... Not interested in getting used to em.
lazs
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Yeah, lazs2, everything I've read about the K22 suggests it's THE classic carry and plink. I liked my Ruger Single Six .22, and after giving it to my son, am thinking about replacing it.
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Beretta used to make a little .32 semi-auto that was very well built and small enough to hide in a jacket pocket. Tomcat I think? The neat feature on it was a tip up barrel that let you either load the first shot without racking the slide, or let you check to see if there was a bullet in the chamber. Loaded with frangibles it had the same one-shot-stop rating as some of the mid-range 9mm rounds. The .32 ACP packs more kick than the .380 IMO.
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The Glock 19 is one of the finest examples of hand held weaponry ever devised. It is the utlimate expression of individual readiness. As far as engineering goes, the Glock system simply cannot be improved. Its functionality is perfect, its reliability is solid over all ammunition types. Its accuracy is exceptional. But even then, the Glock is not right for everyone. Choose the weapon that best fits your hand, and your sensibility.
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I pack a portable nuke where ever I go. That's enough protection for anything.
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Originally posted by Shamus
It depends, for everyday carry a semi-auto, If I'm sticking up gas stations, revolver, dont want to leave any brass.
shamus
Do you live in Detroit !? i've notice armored glass at gas station to protect the cashier, close to downtown ,most gas stations,
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Naw, I work the burbs.
shamus
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
I pack a portable nuke where ever I go. That's enough protection for anything.
Is it mounted in a motorcycle sidecar and triggered by an EKG that would set it off if you died?
Sounds like Dmitri Ravinov, the baddest *&#$(@*$ in the world.
Don't mess with Raven.
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We have had this discussion before.
Some prefer autos, some prefer revolvers. It is a more a personal preference based on emotion than a comparison based on fact.
Both revolvers and autos jam. Revolvers have more moving parts. Autos dependability is more tied to magazine quality than anything else.
Both can be accurate or inaccurate but basically accuracy depends more on the shooters ability than the weapon.
Semi-autos basically are the pistol of choice of virtually all competitive handgun shooters, so you cannot convince me they are less accurate.
Semi-autos hold more ammo and are quicker to reload.
Companies are producing less and less revolvers, and Colt has stopped producing them altogether. Semi-auto models are growing in number of those being produced.
I prefer autos. For everything I own a pistol for.
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How do revolvers "jam" ?
Im sure they "break" and such ........but jam?
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One of these should do. S&W .669 .9mm, 12+1
(http://members.dslextreme.com/users/fanofhockey/MP3/ah/669.jpg)
Edit: as someone PM'd me, yes, this is a "pre-ban" assault weapon under Kalifornia law... I'm legally allowed to posses it, but I can't get the 12 round clips (in Ca) any more, which is a real bummer since I lost 3 of the 5 I had during the LA riots. I tried ordering from out of state, to no avail.
I believe it's illegal for me to sell to anyone in Kalifornia as well thanks to that commie liberal, who has a CCW, Barbra Boxhead. Funny thing is, carrying this assault weapon carries a lessor charge in Ca (12031/25PC) than a 3" double edged knife, or a baton (12020PC).
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Revolvers are for the senile, infirm, and those who like to dress up in cowboy boots and hats and such. Real men have automatics, shiny automatics with lots of levers.
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Originally posted by Dago
Both revolvers and autos jam. Revolvers have more moving parts. Autos dependability is more tied to magazine quality than anything else.
Revolvers have more moving parts? I guess I would have to disagree with that statement. Semi-auto's have to rely on alot more moving parts and springs than revolvers. I would have to say the revolvers are more reliable from a pure shot to shot perspective.
Semi-Auto's have to rely on many, many factors that a revolver does not to continue operating: Ammo quality, unobstructed slide area, unobstructed ejection port, slide timing, slide speeds, slide weights, mag spring pressures. Some semi-auto's are even prone to stop when being "limp wristed". And these are just the ones that come to mind....
Now myself, I prefer semi-autos over revolvers. The higher rate of fire due to less need for reloading is a major plus. I have never liked the "splash" from the gap between the barrel and cylinder. I have also seen where people have a hard time reloading under stress because of the higher need of "fine muscle control" while working a reload on a revolver over reloading a semi-auto.
If the HIGHEST reliability possible is the major point on choosing a handgun, then a revolver is the choice. But if round count, and rate of fire are also major points, then a semi-auto fits the bill.
Accuracy is 99% the shooter. (At the ranges handguns are normally shot at.) Accuracy is not a factor in choosing between a revolver or semi-auto.
Terror
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wow... finland has the tech to build a nuke? I didn't think they were smart enough.
Revolver or auto.... it really is a matter of personal preferece and need. There are several calibers that are suited only to revolvers.
The most deadly and smallest, lightest carry gun is a revolver the 340 PD in .357 ... the most powerful hundguns and the only handguns useful for any real hunting are.... revolvers.
The most accurate handguns are still..... revolvers especialy at long distance.... there are no metalic silouette semi autos for instance.
A "jam" is much more likely with a semi auto. It is dependent on too many things... one..... it needs reliable ammo. a bad round makes it inoperable for a short time all the way to forever. two...it is dependant on the condition of it's magazine and mag spring. Three.... mechanical linkage... Four... it needs to have enough room around the slide for the slide to operate freely throughout it's full range of motion with no interferance...
And four... they dirty little secret most won't tell you about semi autos.....
It is sensitive to how you are holding it... a poor grip can cause a jam.
With revolvers.... a bad primer will mean that you skip to the next round as easily as pulling the trigger through again.... mechanical failure is as with a semi auto... some revolvers (not all) have exposed hammers that need to be free from interferance but their travel is much less than the slide of an auto.
either a revolver or an auto is out of action if a squib load goes partway down the barrel....
But last but not least.... reloading is much eaisier for the revolver than the auto.. the brass does not get lost and is generaly better quality... allowing more reloads per case life. You don't lose or litter up the landscape with revolvers.
With a revolver you also have the option of loading types of ammo that will not funtion in an autoloader.... very blut rounds or huge hollowpoints.
The big advantage to semi autos is that if you are defending against 12 or so opponents who are lousy shots or..... one and you are a lousy shot.... you won't have to reload as much.
Might be better off just learning to handle handguns.
lazs
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Is it mounted in a motorcycle sidecar and triggered by an EKG that would set it off if you died?
Sounds like Dmitri Ravinov, the baddest *&#$(@*$ in the world.
Don't mess with Raven.
Enough Snowcrashing!!!!
Make a reference to Zodiac and you'll make my day
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and xmarine... I know their are exception but I would never want a semi auto that was built by Smith and Wesson or any revolver not a single action designed after 1873 by Colt.
There is a reason colt is getting out of making revolvers.. they haven't made a good one since the 1873..... the python was nice but..... finicky.
lazs
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Seems like while you guys were busy bickering over this issue, this man made his choice.
.60 Nitro Pistol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yzI0AIpUUA)
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Revolvers are for the senile, infirm, and those who like to dress up in cowboy boots and hats and such. Real men have automatics, shiny automatics with lots of levers.
So people who dress up in cowboy hats and boots arent real men? Tell you what, while you work the action on your fancy-schmancy gun, we'll see the size of the exit hole one of my 250 grain .45's will leave coming out your back. My single action '58 Remington will have 3 holes in you a bird could fly through before you get the first round in the chamber.
REAL men arent afraid to shoot Warthog loads. Big caliber handguns with max loads of powder and heavy bullets. Nothing wrong with semi-autos, 'cept alot of folks tend to like em in those little wimpy calibers. Guess if you spend alot of time conversin with your feminine side, thats ok for you. :)
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i dont care for revolvers all that much.. i can picture myself firing a revolver and the frame breaking in my hand.. never heard of that happening before but it just gives me the willies.
i have a M1911A2 .45 springfield... love it. another great pistol is the springfield XD. gonna get the .40 ported barrel this fall.. ive heard nothing but great things about the XDs.
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You'll like the XD. It is a sweet pistol.
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Originally posted by 101ABN
i dont care for revolvers all that much.. i can picture myself firing a revolver and the frame breaking in my hand.. never heard of that happening before but it just gives me the willies.
i have a M1911A2 .45 springfield... love it. another great pistol is the springfield XD. gonna get the .40 ported barrel this fall.. ive heard nothing but great things about the XDs.
Welp, I own a Springfield XD Compact and I am not very fond of it. I find the trigger spongy and hard to get the same action out of shot to shot. The best thing I can say about it is it ergonamically feels comfortable in the hands, otherwise it's a Glock wannabe that falls way short. I will probably be trading it for a Glock27 or Glock36.
Terror
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BTW, I mentioned in another thread that I got my wife the Walther P22 for her birthday. She absolutely loves it.
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i have both semi-auto's and revolvers, i prefer revolvers, semi-auto's are faster to reload until you run out of mags.
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Awww heck, lazs just likes a revolver cause it makes him feel like John Wayne and Billy the Kid at the same time. :D
Lazs, you stated "
if you need more than 5 or six shots then you need something other than a handgun anyway or.... you need to learn how to shoot.
I have never been in a close up life or death handgun battle, but I suspect like the vast overwhelming majority, I would have the tendancy to loose off a bunch of ammo. Almost everyone (except the good guys on tv and in the movies of course) do this as studies have shown.
Have you ever been in such a shoot out to know how you would really do? I haven't so I can only wonder.
For some good reading on the differance, beyond my own personal opinions, I can only refer to others more experienced who have written on the issue:
Revolves Versus Autos (http://chris.cc/rva.htm)
You can find articles with a preference for each.
It just is too subjective a subject to give a definitive answer.
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Originally posted by Terror
Welp, I own a Springfield XD Compact and I am not very fond of it. I find the trigger spongy and hard to get the same action out of shot to shot. The best thing I can say about it is it ergonamically feels comfortable in the hands, otherwise it's a Glock wannabe that falls way short. I will probably be trading it for a Glock27 or Glock36.
Terror
Terror, I know you are a Glock fan to start with, but you shouldnt find the XD trigger at all "spongy". If there is something wrong with it (and thats been known to happen from time to time at Springfield), send it back and they'll make it right.
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I just ordered my first 1911. It's a Dan Wesson Commander Bobtail .45. I looked at the Kimbers and Springfields, but decided to go with the DW because of the bobtail. It feels great in the hands and I've read lots of great reviews on it. I pick it up on the 10th.
http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=66 (http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=66)
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Originally posted by Makarov9
I just ordered my first 1911. It's a Dan Wesson Commander Bobtail .45. I looked at the Kimbers and Springfields, but decided to go with the DW because of the bobtail. It feels great in the hands and I've read lots of great reviews on it. I pick it up on the 10th.
http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=66 (http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=66)
(http://www.cz-usa.com/data/productimg/main066.png)
I am sure you will be happy with it, Dan Wesson makes a good weapon.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v14/Hawklore/DSC01475.jpg)
The only silenceable revolver.
Source:Wikipedia.
As a general rule, revolvers cannot be equipped with a silencer, as there is usually a gap that exists between the revolving cylinder and the barrel over which a bullet must traverse or jump when fired. From this opening, a rather loud report is produced even when a silencer is installed on the end of the barrel of most revolvers.
Nonetheless, a silenceable revolver design does exist in the Nagant M1895, a Russian military revolver used from 1895 through World War Two. This revolver uses a unique cartridge that extends beyond the end of the bullet, and a cylinder that moves forward to place the end of the cartridge inside the barrel when ready to fire. This bridges the gap between the cylinder and the barrel, and expands to seal the gap when when fired. While the tiny gap between cylinder and barrel on most revolvers is insignificant to the internal ballistics, the seal is especially effective when used with a silencer, and a number of silenced Nagant revolvers have been used since its invention [1]
There also exists a modern revolver of Russian design, the OTs-38 [2], which uses ammunition that incorporates the silencing mechanism into the cartridge case, making the gap between cylinder and barrel irrelevant as far the suppression issue is concerned. Ironically the OTs-38 does need an unusually close and precise fit between the cylinder and barrel due to the shape of bullet in the special ammunition (Soviet SP-4), which was originally designed for use in a semi-automatic.
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Glock 36 for my personal carry and a good old pump 12 guage for home defence. That pump action is a great butt pucker noise if you're a intruder.
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I've had both types and I like autos better.
My fav was Walther P38 (double action auto in 9mm) but I hated the caliber and switched to 1911A1 in good old .45 ACP.
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Originally posted by Hawklore
The only silenceable revolver.
I own 3 of them now. Original holsters, lanyards, cleaning rods, etc. Ammo is the biggest problem. The original Russian stuff is almost impossible to find now, and the Fiocci ammo isnt reloadable. The brass splits after just one or two firings. Bertram is the only place I can find that still makes brass for it, and its like a dollar each. Ouch. Wolf is supposed to start making the 7.62x38R Nagant ammo this year, waiting to see what its like.
That means most of us that shoot Nagants have to use .32's of some flavor. The .32-20 works well, but factory ammo is too long. Can only use handloads with a reduced OAL. Using .32 S&W Longs or .32 H&R magnums works ok, but the cartridge is a bit loose in the cylinder, and the brass expands something awful, making extraction a bit difficult. They are a challenge, and alot of fun though.
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wow... finland has the tech to build a nuke? I didn't think they were smart enough.
As a matter of fact we do as we're one of the highest tech countries in the world. But that's a moot point really when you can buy one from Russia that sits right next to us. :rolleyes:
Hell I think I could buy Putin if I payed enough. :aok
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ripley... I didn't think you guys had nuke weapons. Ya gonna bring em over by boat?
Dago... in the 70's the average gunfight lasted 1.7 rounds according to the DOJ and police studies. Most police and bad guys were equipped with revolvers... nowdays... the average is up to around 9 rounds and the results are about the same.
I grew up with revolvers and handguns and have allways been aware that the number of rounds was finite. I was allways amazed at the guys who would empty their guns at a running ground squirrel or jack while I took one or two shots that seemed worth taking.
it was also fun to watch the guys with 45 autos and 9 mm try to hit anything at any distance... at 200-300 yards they couldn't even use the sights.... had to pretend they were artillery.
I have been shot at.... I did not see any reason to empty my gun into the air.
I like my semi autos but like my revolvers more. Perhaps it is a throwback from when autos were even less reliable but... I trust my revolvers.
At the police range is a city mail box that is used as "cover" there are many 45 and 9 mm and .40 dents in it and some 223 through and through drill bit like holes.. There are also some 44 mag holes in one side and gaping 3/4" inch exit holes out the other side. The difference is amazing.
I would carry the revolver if things were serious with man or beast.
lazs
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Ruger Old Army .45 Cal Revolver. and a dry can to keep the blackpowder in ;-)
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Firing off rounds without obtaining a good sight picture is useless, regardless of whether you're using a semi-auto or a revolver.
Massad Ayoob and many other handgun experts involved in police work recommend a double-tap on a dangerous target but only if the proper stance is taken and the sight picture is "there."
Ever notice how, on many tv and movie cop shows these supposedly highly trained professionals clear a house while going around blind corners with the pistol extended at eye level, ahead of them. Good way to get it taken away by a perp hiding on the other side of the corner.
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Pistols are just for fighting your way back to your weapon*.
*rifle
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Ever notice how, on my tv and movie cop shows these supposedly highly trained professionals clear a house while going around blind corners with the pistol extended at eye level, ahead of them. Good way to get it taken away by a perp hiding on the other side of the corner.
yes, and they always enter the bulding by themselves without calling for backup. :D
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Originally posted by lazs2
Dago... in the 70's the average gunfight lasted 1.7 rounds according to the DOJ and police studies. Most police and bad guys were equipped with revolvers... nowdays... the average is up to around 9 rounds and the results are about the same.
Back in the 70s the average criminal used revolvers too.
I grew up with revolvers and handguns and have allways been aware that the number of rounds was finite. I was allways amazed at the guys who would empty their guns at a running ground squirrel or jack while I took one or two shots that seemed worth taking.
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Bet while you were playing "cool hand luke" with your revolver, the squirrel never was shooting back.
it was also fun to watch the guys with 45 autos and 9 mm try to hit anything at any distance... at 200-300 yards they couldn't even use the sights.... had to pretend they were artillery.
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The smarter shooter has a thing for those ranges, it's called "a rifle". Handguns are a short range weapon.
I have been shot at.... I did not see any reason to empty my gun into the air.
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Hard to empty your gun when you are hiding in a hole shivering. :D
I like my semi autos but like my revolvers more. Perhaps it is a throwback from when autos were even less reliable but... I trust my revolvers.
At the police range is a city mail box that is used as "cover" there are many 45 and 9 mm and .40 dents in it and some 223 through and through drill bit like holes.. There are also some 44 mag holes in one side and gaping 3/4" inch exit holes out the other side. The difference is amazing.
I would carry the revolver if things were serious with man or beast.
lazs
I never had a mail box shoot at me, so I never shot one myself. Pretty sure I could put some holes in it with a auto. Personally I am pretty sure a .45 fmj would penetrate it.
But, as you mentioned, it is all about personal choice. Each have advantages and disadvantages, but for me the auto is the choice.
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I like lots of fire and smoke. If there’s one gun I regret selling it was my old POS 45 muzzle loader. As a means of defense it did make a nice big cloud to hide behind.
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I have both revolvers and autos. I like them both and they have their attributes and detractions, each of them.
There are 3 that I have depended on and have confidence in. In no particular order;
S&W 66 four inch
S&W 66 2.75 inch round butt
Glock 19 with finger extended mag
I have others I like to shoot but I carried the above for several years each and know them very well. All of them will get the job done.
I have more than one colt .45 and they are ok. The ones I like to shoot are the stainless Officers model I carried off duty for a couple years until I got my Glock 19. The other is a 70 series Mk4 that was set up with S&W sights for old school combat competition. This was before "race guns" were common and the cometition got "gamey".
Once I got the Glock I put away the colts for competition. I figured it was better to compete with the same thing I carried everyday, including the belt and holster. Since it was the smaller Glock (same size as my Officers Model) I carried it off duty as well.
I like Glocks, they work well for me but so go the S&W, colt, Ruger and the Dan Wesson .22 I have. All handguns are a matter of personal choice and whatever works for you is the best choice for you.
There is no "real man" concept to it, that's for those who only have an inkling of what a "real man" is about from reading books or watching TV.
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dago... you did a great job of missing the point in every single case.
The point was that if you train people to fire a lot of rounds and reload they will... they won't be any more effective they will just let loose a lot of dangerous lead into the air.
The point of the mailbox is that you are safe behind one if the guys shooting at you are shooting semi autos... if the guy has a revolver you are just.... well.. dead.
and "shivering in a hole"? don't know about that but I would be interested in hearing your stories about how a semi auto made you braver and better than a revolver would have. Maybe a story about how letting 12 rounds loose in a few seconds made things better?
As for the critters... the point is that some people just like to shoot as fast as they can... no matter what and have no idea of what they have left. revolver, auto... they will be just as useless with either... and just as empty.
A revolver is not the best tool for long range but.. a good 44 will put all its rounds into a man sized target at 200 or more yards. I would not feel that unarmed with one. I seen guys who couldn't do that well with rifles.... good revolver shots can hit stuff out to 400 yards or more.
even at arms length shooting... I would rather put one .357 into the bad guy and save the other five "just in case" than to do like all the new gunfighters (most of whom have never been in a gunfight) and spray an entire clip of .40's or .45's at anything that moves.
So far.. the only thing I have seen that semi autos are better at is....
games... and then... only if the game is designed for semi autos.
The fastest gun from holster to first shot is still the single action revolver...
some old cowboy would beat the best semi auto to the first shot every time..
No semi auto has enough power or range for hunting in any humane way..
That is not to say the single action revolver is the only choice... it just shows that those who buy into the semi auto is the only firearm idea are pretty narrow minded.
lazs
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I can't explain it but I am a lot more accurate with a 4" S&W .357 revolver than with a semi-auto and I practice with semi's more.
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and as for never firing at a mailbox dago because it never shot at you? LOL... I really do believe that you think a 45 FMJ would penetrate it... you would be wrong of course but..... that is to be expected since you really don't know the capabilities of your firearms. that is obvious
you may never have one shooting at you but you might want to hide behing one some day.
I spent a lot of time and rounds shooting at all sorts of targets... I pretty much know what to expect from all sorts of calibers when I hit something..
From plinking at all sorts of stuff we learned that if you want to do some damage.... hit it with a 44 or .357 mag...
I now take the 44 and the Kimber 45 when I go out plinking... at short range the Kimber is a great gun except that it is a slob and throws brass everywhere... loses a lot of em. dents some. 44 is a lot more fun... when the ranges get farther... it is mandatory.
lazs
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:D
I just love winding you up on this stuff lazs, we have been through it before.
And the M1A is still a much better rifle than the M1 Garand. :rofl
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thank you for giving me a chance to voice my views.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
thank you for giving me a chance to voice my views.
lazs
Well, you are quite welcome of course.
Yeah, I don't know much about my .45 and it's capabilities. I have only put a little in excess of probably about 8000 rounds through it so far in the 34 years I have been firing it at anything I legally could.
Had to replace all the springs, replace the front sight so far.
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I reload... I have one 44 mag revolver with an excess of 50,000 rounds through it.. the transfer bar shattered from metal fatigue at 30,000 rounds...
If you have ever done any shooting out plinking with guys that have .357 revolvers you will see what I mean. The .357 is much more nasty at hitting hard and penetrating than the .45 and the 44 mag is a big step up from the .357
For pure fun out plinking.... the 44 and .357 are king.. They are more powerful and can shoot a wide variety of ammo and they don't leave brass all over the place.
semi autos are fine for people who don't care about littering and don't reload.
They are great for "formal" shooting at paper targets at 25 yards or less or for any of a number of "games" that you can play with em at even shorter ranges that are supposed to somehow simulate combat conditions.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I reload... I have one 44 mag revolver with an excess of 50,000 rounds through it.. the transfer bar shattered from metal fatigue at 30,000 rounds...
If you have ever done any shooting out plinking with guys that have .357 revolvers you will see what I mean. The .357 is much more nasty at hitting hard and penetrating than the .45 and the 44 mag is a big step up from the .357
For pure fun out plinking.... the 44 and .357 are king.. They are more powerful and can shoot a wide variety of ammo and they don't leave brass all over the place.
semi autos are fine for people who don't care about littering and don't reload.
They are great for "formal" shooting at paper targets at 25 yards or less or for any of a number of "games" that you can play with em at even shorter ranges that are supposed to somehow simulate combat conditions.
lazs
Geez lazs, what planet are you on?
I never said the .357 is not a strong round. Stop reading things that aren't there, like on the bullet discussion. I am just pretty darn sure a .45 will go through a mail box.
The .44 is fun to shoot, at least in the Desert Eagle, at least in my experience, but the recoil is too brutal in a revolver for 99% of shooters to enjoy shooting it. That is a reality, despite your determination to say otherwise.
The most fun plinker really is a .22 semi-auto.
And no, I dont reload brass cartridges of any type. I reload shotgun shells. Am doing some today. I do have a bunch of boxes full of spent .45 casings though.
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ripley... I didn't think you guys had nuke weapons. Ya gonna bring em over by boat?
Bring em where? I told I carry one on my person. Are you in need of another conspiracy scheme by any chance?
I'll allow myself to laugh a bit at your expense. :D
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
I own 3 of them now. Original holsters, lanyards, cleaning rods, etc. Ammo is the biggest problem. The original Russian stuff is almost impossible to find now, and the Fiocci ammo isnt reloadable. The brass splits after just one or two firings. Bertram is the only place I can find that still makes brass for it, and its like a dollar each. Ouch. Wolf is supposed to start making the 7.62x38R Nagant ammo this year, waiting to see what its like.
That means most of us that shoot Nagants have to use .32's of some flavor. The .32-20 works well, but factory ammo is too long. Can only use handloads with a reduced OAL. Using .32 S&W Longs or .32 H&R magnums works ok, but the cartridge is a bit loose in the cylinder, and the brass expands something awful, making extraction a bit difficult. They are a challenge, and alot of fun though.
What dates you got?
I just picked up some Fiocci ammo, reloading isn't my thing, and I wanted to see how it shot.
Still havn't gotten to the range to live fire my nagant revolver :cry .
My next trip to the range will consist of this ammunition being used.
7.62x54
7.62x38
7.62x25
And if I figure out what my czech mauser is chamberd for... It shoots 8mm blanks fine, but I gotta double check it's bore.
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Originally posted by Dago
Awww heck, lazs just likes a revolver cause it makes him feel like John Wayne and Billy the Kid at the same time. :D
Lazs, you stated "
I have never been in a close up life or death handgun battle, but I suspect like the vast overwhelming majority, I would have the tendancy to loose off a bunch of ammo.
A real live shoot em gun fight is nothing like standing still wearing ear plugs and shooting at things that don't shoot back. People who "know how to shoot", at the range, might not do so well under life or death decision stress.. dumping ammo at police shootings is common, even trained professionals react adversely to the sudden onset of stress... that hits harder than a truck and can actually make you think so fast, life appears in slow motion.
Being a good shot does not come with the intestinal fortitude needed to think clear enough to save your life, if freaking out and capping 30 rounds at some fool saves your life, that's just as good as calmly putting 2 in the chest & 1 to the head while sipping a late'.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
A real live shoot em gun fight is nothing like standing still wearing ear plugs and shooting at things that don't shoot back. People who "know how to shoot", at the range, might not do so well under life or death decision stress.. dumping ammo at police shootings is common, even trained professionals react adversely to the sudden onset of stress... that hits harder than a truck and can actually make you think so fast, life appears in slow motion.
Being a good shot does not come with the intestinal fortitude needed to think clear enough to save your life, if freaking out and capping 30 rounds at some fool saves your life, that's just as good as calmly putting 2 in the chest & 1 to the head while sipping a late'.
Pretty much what I expect, and was getting at. I can shoot just fine at the range, but if someone is popping rounds at my purty face, I have to suspect the normal reaction would be to dump some serious lead in their general direction, hoping at least to throw their aim off. I would love to believe I would be some cool-ass dude taking careful aim, but unless someone is really in that position for real, there is probably no way to know.
I have seen on tv the dash cams of cops who got shot at, and I saw a tendancy to empty the weapon rapidly in return without stopping to draw a perfect bead on the bad guy. We all know cops get training, practice, and should be proficient, but real world shootouts gotta be a lot differant.
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"Being a good shot does not come with the intestinal fortitude needed to think clear enough to save your life, if freaking out and capping 30 rounds at some fool saves your life, that's just as good as calmly putting 2 in the chest & 1 to the head while sipping a late'."
Well said.
I think one would have to take a hard look at what military and police forces use for sidearms. The US Secret Service protection details are probably a good example to look at. They sure aren't packing SA revolvers, and they carry for the real world.
That being said, its the man, not the gun, a very good combat shooter is going to be dangerous with a 45 SA Ruger, or a Glock 19, when the lead starts to fly. Conversely, a poor shot and a bad tactician will be as useless with a Glock 19 as he would be with a 45 SA Ruger.
The fact that your round has better "ballistic gel" attributes doesnt matter when you are lying dead on the ground.
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Originally posted by Squire
The US Secret Service protection details are probably a good example to look at. They sure aren't packing SA revolvers, and they carry for the real world.
Yeah, but after all, they aren't lazs either. :D
Just teasing ya lazs.
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Originally posted by Halo
To me, the biggest problem with semiautos is fully loaded magazine reliability over time. Several sources advise freshening magazines at least once a month. The whole idea of relying on a compressed spring over time is not encouraging.
A properly engineered spring will not sack-out over time. Unfortunately, some manufacturers go low-buck and use cheap material, or don't properly stress-relieve the spring. Many use cheap Music wire...
I've formed new springs for my two-dozen CETME mags, using 17-7 PH wire, heat treated for 60 minutes at 900 degrees F. 17-7 PH is a stainless steel alloy that is hardened via precipitation and is extremely stable. I can fully load the mags and store them for 20 years without a second thought.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
A properly engineered spring will not sack-out over time. Unfortunately, some manufacturers go low-buck and use cheap material, or don't properly stress-relieve the spring. Many use cheap Music wire...
I've formed new springs for my two-dozen CETME mags, using 17-7 PH wire, heat treated for 60 minutes at 900 degrees F. 17-7 PH is a stainless steel alloy that is hardened via precipitation and is extremely stable. I can fully load the mags and store them for 20 years without a second thought.
My regards,
Widewing
Well said. I knew this wasn't even close to accurate but didnt bother responding when I read it. I know of people who have left an M1A magazine fully charged with 20 rounds for years (some up to 20 years) who took them to the range and fired flawlessly.
Quality of a magazine and the spring is the critical factor regarding if and how long you can keep a magazine loaded.
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Originally posted by Hawklore
What dates you got?
I just picked up some Fiocci ammo, reloading isn't my thing, and I wanted to see how it shot.
Still havn't gotten to the range to live fire my nagant revolver :cry .
My next trip to the range will consist of this ammunition being used.
7.62x54
7.62x38
7.62x25
And if I figure out what my czech mauser is chamberd for... It shoots 8mm blanks fine, but I gotta double check it's bore.
My old clunker one is a 1929, the other two are 1940s models. The Czech mauser should be a 7.65 mm, but dont quote me on that. It should shoot 8mm just fine.
The Fiocci ammo is a little on the hot side, you'll definitely know you are shooting something. I mean its still only a tiny little .32 so its not like theres a huge bullet there, but its a looooooong casing for a pistol round. I bought 1000 rounds of the Fiocci stuff, so if any of them dont split I'll save them and let you know what its like to reload them. If I can ever find the hardware. Wolf should have their version out in the next couple months, but I'm betting it'll be jacketed too, like the Fiocci. :( I'd like to find some plain lead bullets. Ah well. I guess I'll be using .32-20s for reloadable ammo.
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In what states is it illegal to carry an unconcealed firearm?
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Originally posted by Suave
In what states is it illegal to carry an unconcealed firearm?
Depends on where you are and the type of firearm. If you want to strap a six shooter to yer leg and walk through the middle of town Arizona is the state I'm aware of where you can do that. There may be others.
Concealed carry is a better crime detterent though.
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I think we are getting a little far afield here. we were talking about what is best for people to buy.. a revolver or a semiauto.
Unless you are a deciple of some combat shooting sport or a cop or in the military where you wear a holstered sidearm with a ton of other gear....
The revolver is king. It is far more versitile.
conceal one? 340 pd hands down...not firearm offers as much concealability or reliability or POWER in one package... if you think that all gunfights happen at close range... this is the fight stopper. and, if you can carry a cell phone... then this is just as easy.... reliable 5 shot revolver.
hunting.... hands down... revolver no real mystery here.
plinking at various ranges... again... no contest.. .357 or .41 or .44 mag... the kings of plinking next to a 22. They don't make a mess throwing brass all over either.
reloading... you got to be kidding? for reloading nothing matches the revolver for ease and variety of reloads. And... you don't have to play pick up brass like a dork everywhere you go.
Long range shooting... again.. your kidding... only the revolver or single shot.
Home defense? about equal except that you can vary the load with a revolver and shoot things like glasser safety slugs and such.
military or police or military and police wantabes..... probly the semi auto is king.
Oh... mags... I leave a dozen 45 mags loaded for years and have never had a problem... course.. revolvers don't ever have to worry about mag condition. Oooops... dropped a mag! did I bend anything? who knows?
lazs
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Oh puhhhleeeeze,
Revolvers suck hind tit. :rofl
Nobody wants them, nobody buys them, pretty soon nobody will make them.
John Wayners want revolvers to go along with their spurs, serious shooters want autos.
Autos pack much better in concealed carry situations.
They look cooler and chicks dig 'em.
Revolvers jam if not kept clean. Autos shoot forever, dirty or no.
Military and Police all dumped revolvers. Why aren't military or hunting weapons made as long barrel shoulder stocked revolvers if they are so great?
And last but not least, did I mention chicks dig 'em? And by default they dig guys who shoot autos!!!
:rofl
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As far as self defense is concerned; the biggest advantage that the double action revolver has over the auto is that an auto is only as reliable as it's ammo.
I imagine that recharging a handgun as someone is trying to kill you would be very embarrasing.
Mortifying.
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So you admit that only military and police and pretend military and police have a use for semi autos?
revolvers don't "jam" when they are dirty unless you mean soak in a tub of mud. I don't do that to my firearms but you pretend military guys may find that a valid test.
No one makes revolvers? LOL... there are new revolvers coming out every day... all the latest development in cartriges that are worth a damn has been with revolver rounds...
Face it... you just got caught up in action movies and think that you have to have a semi auto that shoots 30 or more rounds with one in each hand as you are leaping in the air.
semi autos are fine for little guys and men who are very sensitive to recoil and can't shoot a real firearm that might buck a little. they are fine for guys who watch em on tv more than shoot em.
If you are never going to fire more than 8 or ten thousand rounds out of em.... you will probly never know what you are missing.
lazs
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you can turn a semi-auto on it's side and shoot lika gansta, gangstas only use semi-autos.
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that's true... I forgot about that.... gangstas use em so they must be really cool.
revolvers just look dumb when you hold em sideways but semi autos look really neat.... double cool if you have one in each hand both sideways.
lazs
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You will always rise to the bait won't you lazs?
Heck, you probably still drive a Studebaker too!
Suave, ammo is almost never the cause of an auto jam, it is almost always a bad magazine.
Revolvers are for cowboy wannabees. :D
So you admit that only military and police and pretend military and police have a use for semi autos?
No, I admit they have a use only for autos, not they are the only ones with a use for them.
Poor lazs, watching the sun set on his beloved wheel guns, he refuses to go quietly into the dieing of the light. ;)
And ya, even the gangsta know you gotta shoot autos to look cool to the babes. :D
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I use a Glock 26 and a Kel-Tec .32 for every day carry, but the most accurate handgun I own is my old S&W 686 .357.revolver. It's the old-fashioned 6-shot kind.
Oops - I take that back. My Ruger .22 auto is more accurate than the S&W revolver, but only with the ammo it likes. I should have said my S&W is the most accurate centerfire handgun I own.
Overall, I'm old-fashioned enough that blued-steel and nice walnut grips turn me on, but it's hard to turn away from the lightweight ease of carry and the dependability of a modern semi-auto.
Lazs2 - just curious - do you carry full power magnum rounds in that scandium .357? A while back the guy next to me at the range was firing one of those, the muzzle blast and recoil appeared to be terrible. I supposed if you missed your target in a gunfight, you'd at least make him dirty his pants when you let go with that blaster!
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Originally posted by Dago
Suave, ammo is almost never the cause of an auto jam, it is almost always a bad magazine.
Ammo is a VERY common cause of jams in Auto's. In the competitions I attend, I would say ammo is the cause 75-80% of the time.
Weak mags are also a common causes, but ammo is top of the list...
Terror
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This article by Chuck Hawks is among several comprehensive home defense summaries that pop up on Google searches for best guns in various situations:
http://www.chuckhawks.com/guns_home_defense.htm
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The only advantage left in revolvers is that they can fire much larger rounds.
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yep halo... the guy knows that revolvers are best.
indominate. do you reload? do you shoot lead slugs? do you use a variety of loads for things like defense and target and pliniking?
the autoloader is a one trick pony. It is for looks of for a holster for todays military and police to carry as an afterthought weapon.
The revolver is not only the best carry gun but it is the best plinker and the gun best suited to the reloader (reload and u can shoot more.. shoot more and you get better)
It is the best for hunting or long range work. It is the most reliable. It doesn't wear out in 2-10 thousand rounds and it doesn't care if you have every other round 50% less or more pressure than the other. It will shoot 5-8 snake shot loads as fast as you can pull the trigger.
You don't have to guess if it is ready to shoot if it is loaded. You don't have to do anything but take your finger off the trigger if you change your mind. They are safer. They can be left loaded and ready virtualy forever and still function when you need em to.
Most people never even clean a revolver.
Sk john... I shoot 125 grain JHP Federals out of the PD. It is not pleasant to shoot at all. I didn't buy it for a plinker. It will shoot 4" groups at 25 yard even with me flinching like a girl.
The blast and recoil are in a whole nuther realm of pain. It would set someone on fire at close range. I have 1,000 rounds of Federal for it... probly a lifetime supply for that gun... you have to shoot it to know what I am saying...
The gun is the best conceal carry gun ever. Even if you carried a full size auto or whatever... you should have one of these in your front pocket. It will end any close range encounter... it is fully shrouded and can be fired from a pocket... five times if need be.. try that with an auto. course... it will set your clothes on fire but......
Nope... I own semi autos.. they are fun. some are even sorta reliable and some are allmost powerful if you don't have a good .357 or 44 around to comapare while you are shooting. They are well made and have allmost no recoil so good for beggining shooters and women.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
yep halo... the guy knows that revolvers are best.
indominate. do you reload? do you shoot lead slugs? do you use a variety of loads for things like defense and target and pliniking?
the autoloader is a one trick pony. It is for looks of for a holster for todays military and police to carry as an afterthought weapon.
The revolver is not only the best carry gun but it is the best plinker and the gun best suited to the reloader (reload and u can shoot more.. shoot more and you get better)
It is the best for hunting or long range work. It is the most reliable. It doesn't wear out in 2-10 thousand rounds and it doesn't care if you have every other round 50% less or more pressure than the other. It will shoot 5-8 snake shot loads as fast as you can pull the trigger.
You don't have to guess if it is ready to shoot if it is loaded. You don't have to do anything but take your finger off the trigger if you change your mind. They are safer. They can be left loaded and ready virtualy forever and still function when you need em to.
Most people never even clean a revolver.
Sk john... I shoot 125 grain JHP Federals out of the PD. It is not pleasant to shoot at all. I didn't buy it for a plinker. It will shoot 4" groups at 25 yard even with me flinching like a girl.
The blast and recoil are in a whole nuther realm of pain. It would set someone on fire at close range. I have 1,000 rounds of Federal for it... probly a lifetime supply for that gun... you have to shoot it to know what I am saying...
The gun is the best conceal carry gun ever. Even if you carried a full size auto or whatever... you should have one of these in your front pocket. It will end any close range encounter... it is fully shrouded and can be fired from a pocket... five times if need be.. try that with an auto. course... it will set your clothes on fire but......
Nope... I own semi autos.. they are fun. some are even sorta reliable and some are allmost powerful if you don't have a good .357 or 44 around to comapare while you are shooting. They are well made and have allmost no recoil so good for beggining shooters and women.
lazs
Now I know you are just trolling me or you wouldn't make such ridiculous statements.
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which parts are false? do you reload? shoot long range? carry one of your full sized but weak semi autos in your front pocket?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
which parts are false? do you reload? shoot long range? carry one of your full sized but weak semi autos in your front pocket?
lazs
I already told you I dont reload brass, only shotgun. Your weak memory isn't serving you well.
Yes I shoot long range, I use a rifle, like every other intelligent person I realize "proper tool for the job".
My weak semi-auto .45 will always do the job. If you need a .44mag to compensate for some personal inadequacy, that means you need therapy, not a handgun.
I don't carry in my front pocket. Who in the hell does that? Can't think of many worse places except maybe with an ankle holster, popular on tv yet worthless in real life. I don't feel the need to carry at all, never bothered even getting the CCW yet. Again, no personal feelings of insecurity or inadequacy have driven me to that.
Every, and I mean virtually every true gun expert in the world states that the flatter design of a semi-auto is better suited to concealed carry, yet you are the one and only "true expert" who knows better.
The acceleration to "the most powerful handgun in the world" is a ridiculous folly. With caliber up to .600 now, you have useless novelties that nobody really enjoys shooting.
You want a long range handgun? Get a Thompson Contender, and here is a secret, it isn't a revolver. And by the way, it shoots extremely powerful cartridges, your choice among many calibers. It is neither semi-auto or revolver.
Here is a challenge, if we stood 300 yards apart, you with your handgun, me with an M1A, want to takes bets who would be favored to win that one?
A handgun is just something to get you back to your rifle.
IF someone wants a good home defense weapon, and isnt going to be practicing weekly, he is better off with a shotgun, if he wants a handgun, he is better off with a semi-auto. Less felt recoil, less tendancy to flinch, and more ammo to continue the fight.
Revolvers. - a slowly dieing weapon. :rofl
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dago dago dago.... poor guy... Have you ever even seen a 340PD? it will easily fit into the front pocket of your pants and not be a bother... if you use a good pocket holster like the desanitis....the holster stays in the pocket and the revolver comes out ready for action in a snap. You simply have no semi auto that comes close.
As for your example...
if we both had rifles and pistols and were 300 yards away and both ran out of ammo in the rifles..... if you had your 45 and I had my 44..... you would be.... unarmed in my estimation. I could easily hit you with the 44.
Heck.... I could hit you with it while you were fighting with the new mag for the m1a for that matter.
revolvers aren't for everyone. they are for people who like handguns and like shooting em. semi autos are fine in 22 and even bigger calibers if all you want to do is carry em around in a holster of shoot a couple thousand round a lifetime out of em at targets that aren't too dangerous or far away or hiding behind something.
I like my Kimber 45 but it is a pretty weak caliber with fragile brass. fine for short range plinking or being on the nightstand so that my granddaughter (or most people) can't figure out how to make it fire. Being a weak round... it probly won't overpenetrate either.
I worry that it will wear out tho even tho so far I have only fired 3 or 4 thousand rounds through it.
lazs
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Originally posted by Innominate
The only advantage left in revolvers is that they can fire much larger rounds.
Ya got the 50AE in the Desert Eagle line of auto's...
Pertty big round there...
Terror
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Originally posted by Terror
Ya got the 50AE in the Desert Eagle line of auto's...
Pertty big round there...
Terror
Yeah, the 50 in the DE is a big sucker, while I have only fired the Desert Eagle in .44, I enjoyed it, and found it both easy to fire and accurate. Have shot one in a bowling pin match a couple time, had fun.
I can't imagine why anyone would want anything bigger though.
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Originally posted by lazs2
if we both had rifles and pistols and were 300 yards away and both ran out of ammo in the rifles..... if you had your 45 and I had my 44..... you would be.... unarmed in my estimation. I could easily hit you with the 44.
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I wouldn't need a reload, heck, doubt I would even need a second shot. But if I did, I would have 19 more ready. It would never get to the point of needing to reload.
revolvers aren't for everyone. they are for people who like handguns and like shooting em. semi autos are fine in 22 and even bigger calibers if all you want to do is carry em around in a holster of shoot a couple thousand round a lifetime out of em at targets that aren't too dangerous or far away or hiding behind something.
I like my Kimber 45 but it is a pretty weak caliber with fragile brass. fine for short range plinking or being on the nightstand so that my granddaughter (or most people) can't figure out how to make it fire. Being a weak round... it probly won't overpenetrate either.
I worry that it will wear out tho even tho so far I have only fired 3 or 4 thousand rounds through it.
lazs
It is a very rare shooter going to shoot in excess of 10 grand, and I doubt a quality auto would have a lot of problem getting there anyway.
I know you can't be serious about a "weak" round. While my Father was in the military, an MP shot a gun through the back of a jeep seat with a .45 and did him in. I guess that is strong enough for 99% of the problems a person would face. If you need anything stronger, get a rifle. They are infinitly more controllable than a large caliber revolver.
I am curious why, if the revolver is the perfect weapon, oh so powerful and accurate, why does the military carry them silly long rifles and semi-auto handguns? Don't they know anything about guns??? Them darn rookies.
Oh yeah, btw, you said some revolver shooters dont even bother to clean their weapons. I gather accuracy isn't a concern then because lead and/or copper fouling would certainly destroy any hope of accuracy.
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Originally posted by Terror
Revolvers have more moving parts? I guess I would have to disagree with that statement. Semi-auto's have to rely on alot more moving parts and springs than revolvers. I would have to say the revolvers are more reliable from a pure shot to shot perspective.
Terror
If you did a little checking, you would find the majority of autos have less than 50 parts, the majority of revolvers over 50. Its an uncommon auto to go past 50 parts, a rare revolver under 50. The German Luger has 40 parts. The Colt Commander has 49 parts, the Colt Python has 57. The Ruger Redhawk has 77 parts, the Ruger P90 auto has 51. The SW19 has something around 75 parts, not uncommon for a revolver.
On average, the revolver has more parts.
That is just a fact, not an opinion.
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At least, when Beet1e was here, the gun fans weren't yelling at each other.
I'm looking forward to the upcoming inox-vs-blue steel thread. :D
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Originally posted by Dago
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I don't carry in my front pocket. Who in the hell does that?
:rofl
That's where I carry my Kel-Tec, in the left front pocket on the opposite side from my Glock.
As Lazs2 said, if you have a good quality pocket holster, the weapon is protected from all the pocket lint, etc., yet comes out instantly if needed.
Having it in your pocket also allowns you to quote Blazing Saddles when you need to draw:
" 'scuse me while I whip this out!" :D
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Dago... this is not about pistol vs rifle. the rifel is superior in allmost all cases.
this is about revolver vs semi auto. I have explained how the revolver is superior in allmost all cases for the average guy.
Semi autos are king tho for holstered guns for military and police where yu are likely to have a lot of new people who can't master a revolver.... better to spray lots of lead and hit nothing than to do nothing at all I guess.
For military and police who must have relatively low powered rounds that will be fired by untrained or untrainable masses..... the semi auto is king.
The police found that while the best revolver shooters were the best officers.... few could or would master the revolver enough to be effective...
especialy since standards have been lowered so much in the military and especialy.. the police. the semi auto is king for those who can't be trained properly.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
the semi auto is king for those who can't be trained properly.
lazs
Dang lazs, you make me laugh.
At the 2006 NRA Bianchi Cup competition, 89 shooters used semi-autos, 27 used revolvers.
You should go to the competition next year and tell all those ignorant auto shooters they cant be trained to shoot properly, and that those pesky semi-autos aren't very accurate. Since a bunch of them misinformed auto shooters will be holding first place trophys, they will certainly find your "expertise and opinions" quite amusing.
After all, I think it is your duty to spread the word of their folly.
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Lazs, you really shouldn't try so much to be like Chuck Norris...
Because if this EVER comes to His attention, he will roundhouse kick you beyond the moon's orbit (after catching with his teeth the 5 .357 SWC from your PD 340 that you'll shoot at Him in a desperate and useless last act of defence).
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Originally posted by deSelys
Lazs, you really shouldn't try so much to be like Chuck Norris...
Because if this EVER comes to His attention, he will roundhouse kick you beyond the moon's orbit (after catching with his teeth the 5 .357 SWC from your PD 340 that you'll shoot at Him in a desperate and useless last act of defence).
I bet Chuck Norris only shoots revolvers. (another good reason to shoot semi-autos) :D
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After renting a lot of large caliber handguns the past couple months, including Glock, Springfield, S&W, Ruger, Kimber, STI, Beretta, Taurus, Sig, and Kahr, so far my favorites are the Kimber Custom .45, the STI Eagle 5.0 .40, and my own Ruger Security-Six .357.
Mainly I prefer blued steel, rubber gripped DA/SA in 4- or 5-inch barrels.
To me the biggest paradox is the concealed handgun. Should be light and compact for most comfortable carry, but horrible recoil and blast from the same features.
From what I read, I don't have confidence in the stopping power of 9mm and .38 and smaller although they are easier and cheaper to shoot.
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For ccw in a revolver I favor a S&W mod 66 in 2.75" barrel round but with Pachmeyer grips. Once the action is smooth it is a true joy to shoot. You have many options for ammo but I prefer +P .38's in a 125 gr format or just 125 gr .357's like Gold Dot's. You do have a significant muzzle flash with either load but that's the saem with any 4" or less handgun and those kinds of loads.
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for social shooting any damn gun you are carrying will work.
If the guy is more than a few feet away then he is no threat and you probly have no business shooting at him... You most certainly have no bussiness spraying the area with a dozen bullets or so in 99% of the cases.
If the gun is heavy and awkward you aren't gonna be carrying it. If you have to shoot it you won't even notice the recoil. You will have plenty of time later to heal from the big bad recoil monster.
If I want to have fun shooting I use any of a number of accurate and powerful revolvers and semi autos.. If I have to carry a gun for defense that no one knows about... I will take whatever I can get but... prefer something small and light with a big punch. 5 rounds is more than enough. I own a speedloader for the thing but... why bother? You aren't gonna get into some prolonged firefight on the street.
lazs