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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wanker on November 10, 2000, 02:57:00 PM
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More voters in this country want Gore to be president:
Gore: 49,108,420
Bush: 48,889,821
Ya ya ya, I know. The electoral college thing. But in the land where the majority rules, the minority is going to be sitting in the executive branch of government for the next four years.
You know I'm right, and it's already making you Reps squirm! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Not so,my friend. This is a country or used to be a country that respects the rule of law.
Constitution!!!
Now if you want to throw that away then be prepared for mob rule!!!
Besides all votes haven't been counted (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The only votes that really count are the electors!!!!!
Don't let yourself be fooled by the democratic spinners saying "will of the people". The will of the people as expressed by the constitution and the rule of law is much different then what the democrats mean when they say "the will of the people"!!!!
ALgore needs to give up before he completely undermines the Constitution and his future as a political leader!!!!
One other observation, if majority rules then Clinton would never have won. Bush and Perot would have govered because they had the majority!!! See what I mean by mob rule!!
[This message has been edited by 1776 (edited 11-10-2000).]
[This message has been edited by 1776 (edited 11-10-2000).]
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Tell me something....... how can they have that figure, when 2 states haven't turned in their counts yet? I'm not trying to start a war here, but I've been wondering that all week.
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Thanks for the over simplification. Yep the electoral vote = the constitution, like it or not. It's hard to tell what will happen in 4 years. It could be a third party rises to meet the needs of the people. It could be the Bush administration inspires the country as a whole to new heights while the democrats continue to spin and divide. I hope we move in the direction which would be in the best interest of the country and the majority of the people. No administration would be able to make everyone happy all the time. Personally I think we are so far divided, it is going to take an emergency of huge proportion to unify the country against a common foe.
time will tell
Eagler
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Originally posted by banana:
But in the land where the majority rules...
Where did you get that silly notion? Did you ever open a history book?
If not, did you ever vote? If you did, you would have seen on your ballot or voting machine a notice to the effect that you are voting for the electors proposed by certain parties.
From you statements here it sounds like you expected to be voting for the president.
miko
[This message has been edited by miko2d (edited 11-10-2000).]
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They just took New Mexico away from Gore !!!
Voting discrepancies (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Now top close to call !
Eagler
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banana....
First of all, Republicans don't squirm, we provide jobs and underwrite all of the Democrats entitlement programs.
Secondly, you might calm down a bit and let whatever is going to happen, happen. You'll live longer, which in turn will give my life purpose, in that I can support some social program of which you and your friends are most likely a participant. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Bye Bye!
Ice
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Let me get this straight, Eagler. Now you're in favor of looking at voter inconsistencies?
So, you support that same effort in Florida, too. Right?
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LOL Ice, you funny guy.
Now that's more like the posts I would've expected from you Reps.
You squirm real good! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by banana:
Let me get this straight, Eagler. Now you're in favor of looking at voter inconsistencies?
So, you support that same effort in Florida, too. Right?
The recount was triggered by FL law here, we did it and Bush is ahead..
New Mexico was triggered by Bush when they found out about a polling computer issue which affected thousands of votes.
I do not support a third, fourth, fifth recount anywhere
Eagler
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Funny, not too long ago the question was whether Republicans would make a stink if Gore got the electoral college and Bush got the popular vote.
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Yeah banana, the "electoral college thing" just like that "Bill of Rights thing" and that "First Amendment thing". How silly of us to let these "things" get in the way of getting what we want...
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The Electoral College system prevents population centers/rat holes such as NYC/DC Corridor, Chicago, and LA from dictating to the rest of the USA. The STATES elect the President, as it should be.
The US is a Republic, not a Democracy. "Majority Rule" is another way of saying "Mob Rule".
The Founding Fathers were very wise men. And the likes of Hillary Clinton will by unsuccessful in their transparent attempts to destroy the Constitution. At least i hope so. This election has made me wonder how much longer the US will survive 40 years of Liberal control of Public Education and the Media.
If nothing else, the election results have shown that the "Dumbing Down" of America is a fact.
Cabby
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BINGO CABBY !! Great reply.
banana: This shows how close we are in a 50/50 split, which to me means we need to start finding issues we have in common and start working TOGETHER rather than trying to DIVIDE and EXPELL one another. Find some common ground where 'Pubs and 'Dems can all get along.
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Im sorry Rip, there can be no middle ground between socialism and a free republic.
Im just waiting it out. When the times comes I will do my duty.
Yeager
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Taken from http://www.msnbc.com/m/d2k/g/overview.asp (http://www.msnbc.com/m/d2k/g/overview.asp)
Candidate / Popular vote / % of vote / States won / Electoral votes won*
Al Gore (DEM) 48,977,259 49 19 255
George W. Bush (REP) 48,783,825 48 29 246
Ralph Nader (GRN) 2,670,242 3 0 0
Pat Buchanan (RFM) 441,003 0 0 0
99% of precincts reporting, *270 electoral votes needed
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Hopefully that comes out legible.
Gore carried 19 states, with a popular vote of 48,977,259.
Bush carried 29 states with a popular vote of 48,783,825
Click that link and take a look at that map. Looks like Bush carried alot more of the country than Gore did, but Gore is ahead in the popular vote because he carried the huge population centers (and Cali, why does it get so many electoral votes anyway?). Seems to me the will of the people has spoken (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Best explanation I've seen for the electoral college.
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Cave - unless you want to give acres of land a voice, that makes no sense. I'll say it again. More people in the entire country voted for Gore. As for the Electoral College? Yah, Gore currently has a majority of those numbers also.
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Originally posted by CavemanJ:
(and Cali, why does it get so many electoral votes anyway?).
The reason unfortunately is because Cali iso HUGE, and that it's major cities are so HUGE.
I.E. San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Not to mention all those "little" cities scattered up and down the central valley like Sacramento, Stockton, Redding, etc.
too many damn people, which is why when i finally retire, i'm going to find some town with a population of like 50 and live there. Wonder how much it'll cost to run a T1 line up there in the mountains.
Hamish!
Transplanted Northern Californian living in Florida.
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Hamish,
Just out of curiousity (and amusement (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ), were you the guy that said that, despite now residing in Florida, you were going to send an out of state vote to California (where you were registered) as you thought it would matter more there?
Incredible election eh?
[This message has been edited by Nash (edited 11-10-2000).]
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Nash I'm merely pointing out what the electoral college does. Gore has more of the popular vote because he carried more of the major population centers, ie CA and NY, which count for 87 (54 and 33 respectively) electoral votes(~1/3 Gore's total). The other 17 states Gore carried make up the other 168 electoral votes.
Bush carried 29 states, but was still 193434 votes behind in the popular vote (#s from the link above).
They're seperated by 9 electoral votes, 255 for Gore (NM changed to 'too close to call') and 246 for Bush, with 37 electoral votes still out (OR 7, NM 5, and FL 25).
Unfortunately, even with the electoral college, Oregon and New Mexico dinnae matter one way or the other at this time. Without Florida neither candidate has the needed 270 electoral votes. Whoever gets FL wins.
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