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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Jackal1 on September 05, 2006, 10:36:05 AM
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Well .............I was getting all pumped up when I saw the first previews of this movie. I thought this one might just be the one worth going to see.
Then I found this......................... ...................
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/22_1157470127_flyboys_1.jpg)
Someone please , please tell me that this movie is not going the way of Pearl Harbor with all the boring touchy/feely BS as being the biisest part of it.
Release date Sept. 22
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I saw the trailer last night. Yeah, the air combat looked hoaky as hell and seemed like it was happeing at Ninja light speed, sort of like a billion Sopwith pups attacking the giant deathstar.
Im guessng this one is going to be a clunky flunker (say that one three times fast) :cry
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WW1 fly movies are so rare, you HAVE to watch everything is released ;)
I didnt see the trailer yet, but i'm sure to visit this movie in the theatre,
especialy 22 Sept. is my birthday ;*p
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saw the preveiws, and im really looking forward to this movie.
hopefully it wont turn out to be a touchy feely chick flick ala pearl harbor.
the fight scenes i saw looked good. i KNOW they have to use cgi since the real planes are hard to find and nobody in there right mind would let em be used in such a way.
hokey or not im still looking forward to it. one day (soon i hope) the CGI stuff will be advanced enough that you wont be able to tell it from the real thing
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
the fight scenes i saw looked good. i KNOW they have to use cgi since the real planes are hard to find and nobody in there right mind would let em be used in such a way.
hokey or not im still looking forward to it. one day (soon i hope) the CGI stuff will be advanced enough that you wont be able to tell it from the real thing
Now, what to do for airplanes? The producers did not want to use CGI since they felt the images are not realistic so they contracted with Robert Baslee's AirDrome Airplanes in Holden, Missouri, to build four replica full-size Nieuport 17s. Trouble was, they had to do it in a short time. Robert and his crew got busy and the Nieuports were built in just 52 days! Power is supplied via a Volkswagen VW 2180cc engine swinging a Culver 96x60 propeller. Empty weight is just 532-lbs. The completed aircraft were shipped to Britain where they will be assembled, test flown, and painted in period markings.
I read elsewhere that they grounded the planes and replaced 'em with CGI because of an accident, but I can't substantiate it yet.
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0454824/trailers-screenplay-E28469-6-3
Upon second review of the trailer, I am now convinced this movie is going to SUCK!...I think the director saw Top Gun one to many times, and is now convinced that all fighter pilot's are "mavericks".....I'll prolly still see the movie though...Hell, it cant be worse then "Stealth"
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As much as I'd love to see a WWI flying movie, this has "pearl harbor" written all over it. It will be a ****. Maybe a **** with some pretty parts, but still a ****.
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See Rule #7
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are there any nude scenes?
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Originally posted by Tarmac
See Rule #7
:cry :cry :cry :cry
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See Rule #2, #7
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I guess Ill ask what no one dares ask about the clip I saw....did we really have black pilots in the air corp back then?
Or has Hollywood added that?
Just curious...I didnt think the first black air corpsmen made it into WW1
If Im wrong, please corect me
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At least one black American flew with a French unit.
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Eugene J. Bullard
he was kicked out of the lafeyette escadrille (too black or a discipline issue depending on who's story you believe), but has previously flown with a french squadron in SPADs & before that was on the line for a couple years, wounded at Verdun, Croix de Guerre & a bunch of other things that imresses me when i read a biography "the Black Swallow of Death”
(http://www.allenscreations.com/images/dsabrr.jpg)
(http://www.bjmjr.com/special/scan100.jpg)
CAPTION -- THE MEDALS OF Eugene Bullard, the first American black combat pilot, were donated to the United States Air Force Museum and later turned up missing.
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Chairboy, if you're interesed there is an EAA group based at either Salem (SLE) or Independece (7S5)
that has formed "The Noon Patrol" based around about a dozen replica Nieuport 11 Bebes
http://www.eaa292.org/noonpatrol.html
(http://www.eaa292.org/noon_patrol/may_03/p5261175.jpg)
(http://www.eaa292.org/noon_patrol/may_03/p5261210.jpg)
(http://www.eaa292.org/noon_patrol/jun_02/takeoff.jpg)
(http://www.eaa292.org/noon_patrol/jun_02/climbout.jpg)
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"... and later turned up missing." WTF? :confused:
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Thanks for the info on Mr Eugene J. Bullard
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Are those replica bebe's full scale or something like 7/8's? They look a bit small to me especially in the one shot from the rear quarter of the one flying.
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thanks for the info chairboy. didnt know they went to that much trouble.
least in some small part and at some stage somebody "tried" to do it right.
ill still see it when it comes out cause bood,bad,trainwrek whatever I love all things flying.
i even liked stealth....well the flying scenes and and whatsherfaces booty scenes.
the rest i think i napped thru
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Originally posted by Maverick
Are those replica bebe's full scale or something like 7/8's? They look a bit small to me especially in the one shot from the rear quarter of the one flying.
nope, why do you think they called the Nieuport 11 the "Babe"?
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Saw the commercial last night, it looked like they had a plane exploding from gunfire:huh: Then they had 2 planes colliding, then a kamikaze into the zeppelin.
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Originally posted by nirvana
Saw the commercial last night, it looked like they had a plane exploding from gunfire:huh: Then they had 2 planes colliding, then a kamikaze into the zeppelin.
switch the zep for a cv instant ma
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ien is making a a flyboys game (rererereleasing DoA) :O :O :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :furious
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Originally posted by nirvana
Saw the commercial last night, it looked like they had a plane exploding from gunfire:huh:
what is so confusing about that?
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I saw the commerical and said to my friend, i cant watch this. HE turns and say why, and i told him i be sitting there the whole movie saying thats bull thats bull he should have rolled he should have dived, he then says u need to stop playing that freakin game:lol . I think hes right, when im checking my 6 when im siting on the jon i think i have a problem.
If this movie does well theyll prob do ww2 and korea, it looks like a 2 hour killer rental but nothin ill go out to see. I rather watch steve-o eat crap.
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I think hes right, when im checking my 6 when im siting on the jon i think i have a problem.
Only a problem if someone is there when you check:D
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For a "real" WW1 air combat movie, find "The Blue Max", it is a classic. One of my favorite movies.
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The Blue Max is a great WWI movie. The opening scene is brillant.
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Anyone else notice that every one of the Fokker Triplanes are painted red?
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Originally posted by Yeager
I saw the trailer last night. Yeah, the air combat looked hoaky as hell and seemed like it was happeing at Ninja light speed, sort of like a billion Sopwith pups attacking the giant deathstar.
Im guessng this one is going to be a clunky flunker (say that one three times fast) :cry
Actually that was the problem I had with the fighting footage of Pearl harbor too (besides the plotline)
The graphics look hoaky.
Its almost like they look too good,,I dont know almost too crisp or too clear or something.
I think the computer generated stuff looks great in outer space stuff like star wars.
Just too hoaky in an earthlike atmosphere
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I wonder if this movie will be about how the Esquadrille Lafayette single handedly kept the German air forces at bay until the the first world war got properly underway in 1917, in much the same way as the American submariners captured the Enigma machine and that Pearl Harbor was really a moral victory.
I also can't wait to see B17's drop bouncing bombs in the remake of the Dambusters.
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anyone try the demo?
demo (http://www.flyboysgame.com/DownloadDemo.html)
it is over 180mb
(http://www.flyboysgame.com/art/media/media_tp6.jpg)
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According to the interview/article out in today's WSJ, comments on the 22 real planes used in the movie...........
"......a 1909 Bleriot owned by the Shuttleworth Collection in England. 3 French Nieuport 17's, like those flown by the American squadron, came from private museums, and 4 replicas were built for the movie."
On making the movie believable....
"For the movie "Flyboys", Mr. Bill, an avid aerobatic pilot himself, pressed for making the flying sequences believable to real aviators - a hurdle that few aviation movies have cleared. "So many so-called "flying movies" are so bad that pilots just roll their eyes and wait for it to be over," he said. By using a new type of digital camera, filmmakers captured much longer action sequences than is possible with standard film cameras, so they were able to string together alot of real flying.
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The filmmakers reserved computer animation for the most harrowing scenes, such as those that required airplanes to come within inches of colliding during head-on gun battles. To make the scenes as believable as possible, Mr. Bill outfitted one of the WWI planes with a device that measured flight data, and then filmed the plane as it twisted and rolled through violent combat maneuvers. The data was fed into the animators' computers so that "even the simulated stuff has to follow the laws of aerodynamics as much as possible," he said."
The film was debuted at Oshkosh, and recieved a standing ovation from the crowd at the air show.
The standout quote. "I will feel I have really done my job if I can make just one person who comes to this movie feel airsick."
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"Worse, someone made the bizarre decision to tag all the planes' machinegun fire with thick smoke trails. If I'd never seen a bullet fired in a movie before it might seem cool, but since I have and thus know they don't leave a contrail like a missile, it's distracting. Bullets don't spew smoke as they fly towards their targets. Choosing a special effect so outside reality in a film planted so firmly in reality is bizarre." - from http://www.cinemablend.com/reviews/Flyboys-1805.html
I guess to defend the movie (which I havnt seen yet), this guy who basically calls the movie horrible, has obviously never heard of tracers....(whether they were used, or not in WWI)
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Havent seen it yet .. goin to tho :)
Thing we all know about WW1 Air combat tho .. it was close.
Those planes (the good fighters, there were a lot of bad ones!) ..could and did turn FAST and the guns sucked so badly that you had to stick 'em right in a guys back before pullin the trigger.
50 yards was a long ways away .. the good pilots liked to get CLOSE..
..even to the point of chewin yer rudder off if that's what it took.
They could tell what color your eyes were on a merge, and see your hand signals.
I like the idea that they used motion capture on a real rag bag :)
-GE
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Part of the review from my local rag. I think I will pass:
"Most of the airborne combat in Flyboys involves computer graphics that look as artificial as they are. Many of the aircraft might have been real, but in some shots the planes, the fireballs and even the clouds seem to have been drawn.
If you've never been aloft with one of these movies, the action might impress you, but it has been done better and more authentically. Flyboys simply adds contemporary hunkdom to the formula, without much notice of the deadly reality."
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From the trailer...
"When the world went to war...they were the first to fly."
Holy ****, Regan beat teh Hitler and won teh WW1!!
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Well boys...I took one for the team. I just got home from the movie "flyboy's"...I'm sure the movie is ending right about now, but I wouldnt know since I left early...TRUST ME WHEN I SAY THIS. DO NOT SEE THIS MOVIE!
It is God awful!
I figured, hey, maybe because this guy doing the review screwed up so bad not knowing what tracers were, then just maybe he missed out on a lot of other things....NOPE
I think the only thing realistic about the movie was actually tracers!!!!!!!!!lmao
Thing's I learned from this movie...
1)- WWI Fighter pilot's had frosted blonde tips in there hair?
2)- Only after 2 minutes of being painted on, all nose art appear's to be withered and worn, like it was on the aircraft for years in combat...
3)- Lion's are in France, and fighter squadrons actually keep them as "dogs"...
4)- During WWI, all pilot's were in-subordinate, and had zero respect for their Officer's....AND THEIR OFFICER's LAUGHED IT OFF WITH THEM....
My favorite part of the movie, and I believe they must have consulted with HTC for this, because they have the same collission model, is that a wood and fabric aircraft can collide with another...the one doing the ramming can fly off without a scratch, and the one being rammed explodes into pieces....yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaa
just dont see it...dont see it in the movies...dont rent it from blockbuster...
it is terrible
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the laffiette escadrille DID keep a pet lion. and most WWI flyboys WERE suprisingly insabordinate towards superiors.
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Well pardon me smidsy...Please, go see flyboy's then....and dont do a matinee, make it an evening showing =)
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I'll wait until I can rent it. Or get it from a friend...
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Originally posted by SMIDSY
the laffiette escadrille DID keep a pet lion....
two of them, one named 'whisky' the other 'soda'
(http://www.greatwardifferent.com/Great_War/Air_War/Guerre%20Aerienne%20-%20Lafayette%20Escarille%20017.jpg)
http://www.neam.org/lafescweb/conflict7.html
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I find it hilarious that all of the detractors of this film don't know what the hell they're talking about. I'll definitely have to see this movie now.
Sheesh, cav... You really made yourself look like a horse's bellybutton in that post of yours.
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if you want to see some top quality first world war stunt flying with out any CG
(http://www.krigsfilm.dk/templates/b3005/images/krigs-pic/WWI/von%20Richthofen%20and%20Brown.jpg-for-web-LARGE.jpg)
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Originally posted by Fruda
I find it hilarious that all of the detractors of this film don't know what the hell they're talking about. I'll definitely have to see this movie now.
Sheesh, cav... You really made yourself look like a horse's bellybutton in that post of yours.
Apparantly they dont know what they were talking about, because the film portrayed a single male, full grown lion which didnt use either of the names mentioned...
And you say in-subordination was common? Your right...I'm sure there were ton's of brand new pilot's during the war who attacked ranking officers, and stole airplanes without any reprecussions (sp)...
Go ahead and see the movie...I really dont care Fruda, it's your $10-15 bucks...Maybe you like that type of stuff
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Originally posted by cav58d
...and stole airplanes without any reprecussions (sp)...
Frank Luke
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this thing looks too much like a love story for me, i like dog fighting but im not into these types of planes. Vietnam or korea would be cool, couldnt watch ww2, i would be siting ther saying, "thats bs" wheres the hoing la7s:lol . If this movie does well i would assume that another fighter movie would be made, im just not a fan of heavy cg. It gets to the point were it takes over the movie(how many movies have u seen that are all cg no story). I was watching a clip of bullit the other dayt, that whole cr chase was real. no bs, real driveing. And that adds an element to the movie that million dollar cg can never add.
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So the movie sucks?
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Originally posted by cav58d
Apparantly they dont know what they were talking about, because the film portrayed a single male, full grown lion which didnt use either of the names mentioned...
sheesh man, its called creative lisence. if you can point out a single movie that is 100% historically acurate and has every single character that was involved in the events surrounding the movie included in the film i will send you $100.
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amatuer porn!!!!111
gimme that dough OH Yeah!![SIZE=8]!!!![/SIZE]!!!!!1oneoneoneonemoney pwns
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Originally posted by Debonair
Frank Luke
Yep you beat me to it Deb.
"Luke met his fate in the Battle of Meuse-Argonne. Under threat of arrest for going AWOL, Luke took off in a SPAD XIII fighter without authorization and flew to the front. He shot down three observation balloons but was wounded by antiaircraft fire. Short on fuel, he had no choice but to land in enemy territory. Surrounded, Luke pulled out a pistol and fired at several Germans before they killed him. He was awarded a posthumous Medal of Honor."
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about 8 years ago there was a script about Frank Luke for a movie titled "September Rampage" that Fox supposedly came this||close to making...zOMG too bad the did, coulda pwnd. I'd like to see a flick based on James "One Man Air Force" Howard's autobigraphy too...
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The love story is kept as a subplot where it belongs.
All in all a good movie. Not great, but good. There were some great moments showing the sense of honor between pilots during WWI that disappeared over the 30 years leading up to WWII (and one or two exhibitions of behavior that'll make some of the MA denizens feel RIGHT at home). The "villain," so to speak, I think did a good job at making you WANT to see how he receives his come-uppance (which those are about the best type of villains).
The final CG work was FAR and away superior to Pearl Harbor, IMO. Granted that's saying very little, but there's not really many comparable examples (as stated, you can't compare what they're trying to do here what was done on Star Wars).
Incidentally, I HAVE noticed that the majority of negative reviews have largely been from people who have absolutely no clue about the history behind the movie (I found the many critics blasting the character of Skinner as being the "anachronistic token black guy" hilarious).
Speaking of which, anyone know why they didn't use any of the REAL people as characters except for Thenault? Skinner was CLEARLY based on Bullard, so why not use that and make it clear this WAS a real person, not just PC Hollywood bull*****?
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Originally posted by Debonair
about 8 years ago there was a script about Frank Luke for a movie titled "September Rampage" that Fox supposedly came this||close to making...zOMG too bad the did, coulda pwnd. I'd like to see a flick based on James "One Man Air Force" Howard's autobigraphy too...
<3d1+>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/7133/index.html more about the script @ the this zOMG web site
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rofl im wull of teh booooooze
(http://www.earlyaviator.com/archive/b/images/Luke_SXIII.jpg)
(http://www.trumanlibrary.org/photographs/65-4040.jpg) (http://www.earlyaviator.com/archive/b/images/Luke_SXIII.jpg)
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im teh suk@posting stuff roflmoz0Mgloloololaohloalhaoh lalholahloalholhasohla Frank Luke OWNZS!!
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Rickenbacker addressing Frank Luke: "He was the most daring aviator and greatest fighter pilot of the entire war. His life is one of the brightest glories of our Air Service. He went on a rampage and shot down fourteen enemy aircraft, including ten balloons, in eight days. No other ace...even the dreaded Richthofen had ever come close to that."
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Its a movie! Of corse theres going to be things wrong.
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:noid
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I dont get why ALL the German a/c seem to be red Fokker Dr1s...couldnt they find the budget for >< variety? a couple of Albatrosses, or something?
...I will check it out anyways, there just arent that many WW1 air combat films out there...
"and most WWI flyboys WERE suprisingly insabordinate towards superiors."
Well, I think they had a fatalism that predisposed a certain attitude, not deliberate insubordination but more a "clique" culture, that was removed from a lot of the normal army BS. I would say that was a common thread in all the air services in WW1, and later.
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Probably because it was one squadron they were flying against the whole time.
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Ya but they all look exactly the same, I just thought it would have looked better to add some variety to them.
...and the notion that they would "always be flying against the same squad" is kinda odd, even if it is in the movie.
But, no film is perfect, or ever will be, im sure I will get a kick out of the air combat stuff.
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Well, if the "Bad Guy" squadron is assigned to the area to support the infantry in that particular area, then it's not unreasonable to think the same couple squadrons might have run into each other quite frequently.
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Originally posted by cav58d
Apparantly they dont know what they were talking about, because the film portrayed a single male, full grown lion which didnt use either of the names mentioned...
And you say in-subordination was common? Your right...I'm sure there were ton's of brand new pilot's during the war who attacked ranking officers, and stole airplanes without any reprecussions (sp)...
Go ahead and see the movie...I really dont care Fruda, it's your $10-15 bucks...Maybe you like that type of stuff
1: Not all historically-based films use the characters' real names. There are many reasons for this, one of them being that their families/estates just won't allow the filmmakers to do so.
2: It's one fricking squadron, dude, not the entire French air force. You're beginning to sound a lot like the people who complain about Band of Brothers, because it makes it "as if the U.S. won the war themselves", when it's just portraying one damn infantry group. Sheesh.
3: Actually, it's $3.50 at the local theater, so if the movie sucks, it really won't be such a big deal. I'd say it's your loss for having to deal with my replies.
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Originally posted by Fruda
2: It's one fricking squadron, dude, not the entire French air force. You're beginning to sound a lot like the people who complain about Band of Brothers, because it makes it "as if the U.S. won the war themselves", when it's just portraying one damn infantry group. Sheesh.
EXACTLY. Besides, we all know it was Chuck Norris who REALLY won the war. :D
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I saw it tonight.
I enjoyed it. Some of the things were not accurate but much of it was. The flying was great but if you are going to criticize it for historical accuracy then you will not enjoy it. Just accept the Hollywood changes to the script that make the movie more interesting and enjoy it.
I know a ton about WW1 aviation and have read many books on the subject. There are bits and pieces of many WW1 stories in the plot and sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. But yes some of it was nonsense. For example in a time before radios were in widespread use the pilots were being briefed on a bombing raid in progress and took off in time to intercept the enemy bombers. Ok so that would be impossible. Who cares. The CGI of the German bombers was amazing.
If you like aviation go and see it. Suspend your disbelief in the few scenes that require you to (A pilot loses his hand and then gets a hook. He flies with the hook on the stick instead of his other hand in a plane with no throttle for example).
I give it 4 out of 5 starts.
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Originally posted by Saxman
EXACTLY. Besides, we all know it was Chuck Norris who REALLY won the war. :D
not entirely true. it was in fact won by the Chuck Norris Commando Team, which was a joint venture between the SAS, SOE, OSS, Lt. Richard Nixon (USN) and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. though the actual combat team consisted only of Chuck Norris (by then designated CNC-1), credit should be given to those who organized the operation.
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That whole Chuck Norris fad was old half a year ago, people...
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Habu: ACtually, if you watch any of the "interior" shots, BOTH of the pilot's hands are on the stick: One to actually fly the plane, the other to squeeze the trigger.
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habu ur right, u cant be pick qat everything in the movie. I saw mtrix 2 on tv today and i started to do just that. car chase at the end was retarded, that cts would have left that truck in the dusk, and then the scene where the mac truck bumps the first gen fird bird, i mean cmon a go kart will out run a mac truck, and then the cop car was tailing the ducati....jezzz those bike are retarded fast a crown vic doesnt have a shot. Millions of dollars spent on effects and u cant get that right, o well thats holloywood.
Thats why i like jack ass(im seeing that this week) what u see is what u get.
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Originally posted by cav58d
Well boys...I took one for the team. I just got home from the movie "flyboy's"...I'm sure the movie is ending right about now, but I wouldnt know since I left early...TRUST ME WHEN I SAY THIS. DO NOT SEE THIS MOVIE!
It is God awful!
I figured, hey, maybe because this guy doing the review screwed up so bad not knowing what tracers were, then just maybe he missed out on a lot of other things....NOPE
I think the only thing realistic about the movie was actually tracers!!!!!!!!!lmao
Thing's I learned from this movie...
1)- WWI Fighter pilot's had frosted blonde tips in there hair?
2)- Only after 2 minutes of being painted on, all nose art appear's to be withered and worn, like it was on the aircraft for years in combat...
3)- Lion's are in France, and fighter squadrons actually keep them as "dogs"...
4)- During WWI, all pilot's were in-subordinate, and had zero respect for their Officer's....AND THEIR OFFICER's LAUGHED IT OFF WITH THEM....
My favorite part of the movie, and I believe they must have consulted with HTC for this, because they have the same collission model, is that a wood and fabric aircraft can collide with another...the one doing the ramming can fly off without a scratch, and the one being rammed explodes into pieces....yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaa
just dont see it...dont see it in the movies...dont rent it from blockbuster...
it is terrible
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Sounds like I'm gonna enjoy it. It's all in your attitude. :D
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On a side note, I did watch "V for Vendetta" last night and thought it was really good lol
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lmao u r angry at they movie because it made u look foolish & ignorant too many times
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No, I just didnt like it...Go see it, I really dont care...If you like it good...If you dont like it, I told you not to waste your money...
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actually there wasnt to much throttle control in those birds it was more a a fuel flow thing - on and off. Most had a "blip" button on the stick to turn the engine on and off... If you ever heard one flying, you'd think the thing was getting ready to crash or was outta gas.
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listen to the engine on this crate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ethdg1yFnZA&mode=related&search=
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
actually there wasnt to much throttle control in those birds it was more a a fuel flow thing - on and off. Most had a "blip" button on the stick to turn the engine on and off... If you ever heard one flying, you'd think the thing was getting ready to crash or was outta gas.
this is where years and years of microsoft flight simulator comes in handy. at least on the sopwith camel, the engine was controlled by two "magnitos". it worked like this: both off=engine off, one on=half power, both on=full power.
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Saw it last night, I'll give it a thumbs up.
If you want WWI aviation Wings and Hells Angels are tough to beat.
Watched Hells Angels again a couple weeks ago. Nearly 100 WWI Vets. and real crates.. One dogfight scene has a mid air collision, no CGI back then. 2 guys died to get that shot.
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You might have a hard time finding it, go down to your local Video Store, It will probably be on VHS, in the old titles, but "The Blue Max", with George Peppard, would be worth the money to rent. Always seemed a pretty straight up WWI aviation movie.
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TWo best WW1 era movies I own = "The BLue Max" and "The Great Waldo Pepper". Blue Max is a given. The flight scenes are awesome. Now "GWP" has a really good story added with some REALLY good flying scenes. The end sequence with the FOkker Tri-plane and the Sopwith are simply amazing.
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Amazon.com has Blue Max on DVD starting ~10 bucks.
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I thought Blue Max was very good in the flight scenes. I watched it in the theater as a kid on a Saturday matinee. I think I spent a whole 25 cents to get in and got to watch it twice.
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Originally posted by Maverick
I thought Blue Max was very good in the flight scenes. I watched it in the theater as a kid on a Saturday matinee. I think I spent a whole 25 cents to get in and got to watch it twice.
Expect a visit from the MPAA, you're an "Intellectual Property Terrorist" in their eyes.
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They gotta find me first...... :D
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How many here have seen Hells Angels?
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Originally posted by dynamt
How many here have seen Hells Angels?
Never
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Just saw Flyboys tonight. All in all, not bad. Not great, but not bad.
Lots of air combat and yeah, some of it is probably a little on the fantastic side, but it's worth watching.
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Wanna watch "Flyboys" now? Free?
Great Site, Free Pics (http://www.peekvid.com/)
Screen is a lil small but still great!
Mac
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I just saw it tonight. Ya it was a bit spastic at times like x-wings and tie fighters, but overall it was pretty entertaining. Im surprised we dont hear more about the black pilot, flying in combat with whites and all. Quite an accomplishment at that time.
I liked all the head shots though...piff piff thwop.
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I saw this last week...
Pissed me off that all the Germans flew are Fokker DR. I's, would have been better if they used V strutters and only the aces in DR.I's - they were relatively rare and taken out of service with the exception of certain aces who kept them as personal rides. Entertaining film though, just for the WWI air combat visuals it was worth watching.
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Thanks to Netflix, finally saw Flyboys. The flight scenes were entertaining but as with Pearl Harbor the love story was a total drag.
Okay to have a brief bordello scene, kiss a girlfriend at a tavern or before hopping in the cockpit, but lose all the other girly stuff.
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In the commentary they said the Germans all fly the same model and colour of plane for easy recognition (as being the enemy) by the audience during the very fast and chaotic dogfights.
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Thought it was ok. The love story....well..no Kate Beckinsale, but that was the best part in Pearl Harbour!
Want a good airfight movie? Look up the thread about "Dark Blue World" on the O'club. Definately worth watching, - however the movie rotates around a - love story.
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Originally posted by dynamt
How many here have seen Hells Angels?
I havn't but would really like to. One day I will just have to purchase it.
Mark
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Picked this movie up last night for the hell of it..
And cause my daughter wanted me to take her to see it in the movies and I didnt.
Gotta say I was skeptical about this flick.
But it is actually a pretty decent movie.
My ONLY real cimplaint was it seemed 80% of the germans were flying red triplanes.
But other then that. It wasnt at all bad.
Worth the $12.00 I spent on it
(I dont rent movies anymore. I just buy them outright)
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Originally posted by Thrawn
In the commentary they said the Germans all fly the same model and colour of plane for easy recognition (as being the enemy) by the audience during the very fast and chaotic dogfights.
Yeah ... cause the audience is "dumber" than the producers/directors. Ahem. ;)
But it inspired me to dig out Red Baron 3d again. Damn, can't find the patch cd, though. Gonna be hell rounding all those up. Most the sites are down. Full Canvas Jacket? Anyone? Bueller? Resale?
:D
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the best bit in flyboys was the christian character that didnt drink singing 'onward christian soldiers' while zooming around the sky blasting jerry. and the 2nd best was the boxer almost having a fight with the seniour pilots in the mess, i thought they could have done more with that fight scene and the whole earning respect between the old and new squadrons. 1 day they are noobs the next day they are welcome heroes, was too scripted. they should have focused more on the bond and arguments between the highly strung and egotistical fighter aces and dumped the overused girl next door relationship. most people waching this film would be males interested in ww1 aviation and not many unlucky lady dragged to watch with them. apart from that letdown in the script i enjyed the whole experience of watching. my only other complaint is that too many planes just burst black smoke and went down, not enough random failiure in the shot at aircraft.
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(Old thread is old, and I see some Necromancers in here~)
Ignoring that comment, I saw this movie a while ago. I really liked it, a lot.
Not a huge fan of the Dr. 1, personally my favorite WW1 birds are the DH-2 and any of the earlier Albatrosses...
Good ol' Dawn Patrol (DOS is so old school for me now, played that game when I was what...? 7, 8? Geez.) really turned me off to the Bebe, and all its ilk. (I just don't like planes that die in a .303 snapshot)
Back on topic, like I said, I liked the movie a lot. Only scene I couldn't stand was the final scene where he pulled out his pistol and... yeah... Spoilers. People who've seen it know.
Did someone actually do that? I know they fired Rifles and whatnot at each other before they got interrupter gears... but um... wow...
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I was down on the trailer, but I really enjoyed the movie. The babe was babacious and the sound track very nicely done by Trevor Rabin.
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Originally posted by Hien
Back on topic, like I said, I liked the movie a lot. Only scene I couldn't stand was the final scene where he pulled out his pistol and... yeah... Spoilers. People who've seen it know.
Did someone actually do that? I know they fired Rifles and whatnot at each other before they got interrupter gears... but um... wow...
Actually If memory serves correct.
thats how pilot to pilot combat started.
aircraft were primarily used for observation and planes from opposing sides would occasionally be in the same area withone another. then someone had the bright idea of taking a pistol up and shooting at the other aircraft. And the rest as they say is history.
In doing a quick search I found this
"The aircraft of 1914 were not intended as fighters. The job for some, unlike their balloon predecessors, was to 'scout' for the enemy, a job traditionally given in the past to the cavalry. Aircraft were not limited by difficulties of terrain, and had a superior vantage point. At this stage they complemented the role of the cavalry. Most British single-seater aeroplanes were called scouts for most of the First World War. Once the target was located, two-seater aircraft maintained the contact, with the passenger or observer passing firing correction instructions back to the artillery, superseding but not replacing the balloon. They were ideal for a campaign of manoeuvre.
The problem with most of these aircraft was that they were under-powered and under-developed, which meant that they had problems lifting any sort of weight or payload - including the pilot! Their rate of climb was lamentable, and their loiter time (the length of time an aircraft can stay in an operational area once airborne) limited. The two-seaters in particular were designed for stability, to allow ground observation. The standard RFC aircraft in 1914, the BE 2, was so stable that it could not be manoeuvred quickly at all, and later proved to be the airborne equivalent of a 'sitting duck'.
In the first few weeks of World War I there was still no desire to fight in the air. Opponents waved chivalrously at each other in passing. Just being airborne was dangerous enough - but it would soon become more so.
It may have started with a shaking of fists, but soon opposing airmen started to devise ways of limiting the enemy's activities. Due to weight restrictions only pistols, rifles and shotguns were used initially, with little effect, although there were stories about airmen (RJF Barton of the RFC and Felix Brocord of the French Air Service) shooting down German aircraft with pistols. Other offensive projectiles at this time included bricks, flechettes (heavy steel darts), hand grenades, and grappling hooks."
Early Air to Air Combat (http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A898761)
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I haven't seen this at all. I have some left over on a BB giftcard. I'll get it.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
the best bit in flyboys was the christian character that didnt drink singing 'onward christian soldiers' while zooming around the sky blasting jerry. and the 2nd best was the boxer almost having a fight with the seniour pilots in the mess, i thought they could have done more with that fight scene and the whole earning respect between the old and new squadrons. 1 day they are noobs the next day they are welcome heroes, was too scripted. they should have focused more on the bond and arguments between the highly strung and egotistical fighter aces and dumped the overused girl next door relationship. most people waching this film would be males interested in ww1 aviation and not many unlucky lady dragged to watch with them. apart from that letdown in the script i enjyed the whole experience of watching. my only other complaint is that too many planes just burst black smoke and went down, not enough random failiure in the shot at aircraft.
I think the pint of them not being welcomed was they hadnt tasted battle yet.
Once they had they had (as was stated in the movie) "lost their virginity"
remember in heavy combat. As is noted by several vets. If you survived more then 24 hours you were considered a combat vet.
As was mentioned in the movie the life expectancy was something like 20 days.
Taking that into account. One doesnt have months to "prove" themselves.
I liked the way the pilots improved as they gained experience.
Reminded me alot of the Newbs in the game and how they get better.
At first their SA is horrible and the moved they use are limited. then as they get better their Sa improves as well as their tactics.
Actually there was alot in the movie that reminded me of AH.
Including "The Black Falcon" cherry picking. LOL
As for the "girl next door" relationship. As was mentioned in the movie. the woman did actually exist. He "Went to Paris but never found her" as is mentioned in the closing of the film.
I liked the "Onward christian soldiers" bit as well
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The characters were loosely based on historical people, names having been changed to protect...well hell, I don't know WHY they didn't just use the historical pilots. There IS a question of how much of the "Epilogue" was also inspired by true history, however.
Example: the black pilot, Eugene Skinner, was based off the historical Eugene Bullard. Both the character and historical Bullard lived in France and spent time as boxers before enlisting. However Bullard never operated an air-mail service after the war, as the character of Skinner does in the epilogue.
Back on topic, like I said, I liked the movie a lot. Only scene I couldn't stand was the final scene where he pulled out his pistol and... yeah...
I'm pretty sure this is based off a known incident involving a pilot of the Escadrille, who's guns either jammed, or ran out of ammunition, or otherwise failed, and pulled out his revolver and just shot the German pilot. I think it may have been Frank Luke, (who Rawlings was based on) who was known as a remarkable shot.
You have to admit, tho, that was bad-ass. :D
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It was pretty bad-ass, but I would have laughed harder if he had thrown a hammer at him or something.
Which would have been equally awesome.
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I bought it today. I was impressed, I actually liked it. I was worried about the "love interest". But, they did it right, not like Pearl Harbor, but just enough.
I'm glad I bought it. My son (6) fell asleep watching it and asked to see it "when he wasn't sleepy".
Jean Reno was excellent as well.