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Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: cav58d on September 05, 2006, 04:49:09 PM: http://www.defendthedefenders.org/

I know this is the perfect forum to share this link with...Please take a look- It's the least we can do...

"Innocent till proven guilty. PERIOD!"

thanks

cav
Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: Gunslinger on September 05, 2006, 04:56:32 PM: I read about these guys a few months back. They where kept in solitary confinement for months on end with out even haven charges against them. Absolutly terrible.
Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: straffo on September 08, 2006, 04:21:40 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Gunslinger
I read about these guys a few months back. They where kept in solitary confinement for months on end with out even haven charges against them. Absolutly terrible.

who care, when it happen in Guantanamo none care.
Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: Vudak on September 08, 2006, 06:39:07 AM: Quote
Originally posted by straffo
who care, when it happen in Guantanamo none care.

This guy has a point.
Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: storch on September 08, 2006, 07:01:10 AM: he has a point? where? the people in guantanamo are lucky to be alive. they should have been shot on sight and then interrogated. our soldiers and marines combat decisions should not be second guessed by the liberals in this country sitting comfortably at home. the values of the mainstream press are so far removed from the views and values of our people that they have rendered themselves irrelevent in all matters. they themselves are eroding the first amendment with their consistent drivel and attempts to define how we should think and feel. the new york times and other major newspapers as well as the three major networks can carry fabricated stories that appeal to their soulmates in europe but few Americans outside of the blue voting blocks care much about what they spew other than to express revulsion. I think I need a few black teeshirts today. thanks for posting that link.
Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on September 08, 2006, 07:08:58 AM: Quote
Originally posted by straffo
who care, when it happen in Guantanamo none care.

You know better.
Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: straffo on September 08, 2006, 07:18:33 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
You know better.

What ya mean ?

An innocent in custody in Guantanamo is guilty when an innocent elsewhere is innocent ?

@storch : Belch :D
Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: Vudak on September 08, 2006, 10:41:20 AM: All I'm saying is if we are going to treat some people suspected of villany one way, we'd damn well better treat all people suspected of villany the same. Even if that's our "infallable" soldiers.
Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: cav58d on September 08, 2006, 12:33:37 PM: I give the soldiers; Better men then myself, the benifit of the doubt by default...
Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: Vudak on September 08, 2006, 12:41:20 PM: Quote
Originally posted by cav58d
I give the soldiers; Better men then myself, the benifit of the doubt by default...

I just don't believe war crimes should be absolved if you win.

It might be a Polish-background thing here.

>shrug<

And just because someone's in a uniform doesn't automatically make them a better man then a civilian, Cav... Although, doubtless many (most, probably) are.
Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: Yeager on September 08, 2006, 01:06:08 PM: I really question seriously whether muslim militants attacking the constitution deserve its protections. My gut feeling is they do not. But I will respect and abide by the courts decisions.
Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: straffo on September 08, 2006, 01:48:29 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Yeager
I really question seriously whether muslim militants attacking the constitution deserve its protections. My gut feeling is they do not.

By doing so will you respect your constitution ?

Quote

But I will respect and abide by the courts decisions. [/B]

It's the only correct attitude IMO.
Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: Dago on September 08, 2006, 04:38:34 PM: Quote
Originally posted by straffo
What ya mean ?

An innocent in custody in Guantanamo is guilty when an innocent elsewhere is innocent ?

@storch : Belch :D

Spoken like a true Frenchman. All arabs are innocent (especially if it means the chance to make some cash off them).
Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: Elfie on September 08, 2006, 04:49:23 PM: Quote
Originally posted by straffo
who care, when it happen in Guantanamo none care.

Weren't the people being held in Guantanamo captured on a battlefield? Hardly innocent imo.
Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: straffo on September 08, 2006, 05:08:01 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Elfie
Weren't the people being held in Guantanamo captured on a battlefield? Hardly innocent imo.

So why were some released if they were not innocent ?
Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: Gunslinger on September 08, 2006, 08:06:20 PM: Quote
Originally posted by straffo
So why were some released if they were not innocent ?

So now they shouldn't be released? You need to stick to one point.

These where AMERICAN SERVICEMEN that where not even charged with a crime. They are a far cry from somone that fights in civilian clothes that in any other war while wearing a uniform would have been a POW.
Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: rabbidrabbit on September 08, 2006, 08:21:09 PM: Quote
Originally posted by straffo
So why were some released if they were not innocent ?

Sure... and many of those went on to commit other terrorist acts. Obviously they only became terrorists after being released as innocents.
Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: rabbidrabbit on September 08, 2006, 08:27:06 PM: ooops double post
Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: Elfie on September 08, 2006, 08:31:35 PM: Quote
Originally posted by straffo
So why were some released if they were not innocent ?

I have no idea why some were released. Some of those that were released, were later recaptured on the battlefield. Again, hardly innocent.
Title: Defend The Defenders
Post by: Gunslinger on September 08, 2006, 08:44:43 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Elfie
I have no idea why some were released. Some of those that were released, were later recaptured on the battlefield. Again, hardly innocent.

Well lets not forget the international and political pressure placed on the US to do so. Those poor poor "detainees". I wonder if they still have their own gormet cooks.
Title: Defend The Defenders
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