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Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: xrtoronto on September 06, 2006, 11:47:00 AM: (http://musicsojourn.com/AR/Prog/img/l/LennonJohn/Acoustic_300.jpg)

Sept. 5, 2006 — John Lennon's perceived "threat" to the U.S. government is the highlight of a new film that documents his transformation from pop idol to political activist and offers a fresh look at this former Beatle's career.

"The U.S. vs. John Lennon" will be released later this month. Yoko Ono cooperated with the filmmakers, opening her archives of rarely seen footage of the couple's fight for peace.

"One thing that brought us together was the fact that both of us were rebels in so many ways," she said.

And that's something he didn't always share with his bandmates, who were reluctant to join Lennon as he spoke out against the Vietnam War, said Ono.

"He is the only one who really wanted to do something about it when he was a Beatle," Ono explained.

Star Watched by the FBI

Lennon's rebelliousness may have come at a price. In the 1970s, Lennon was convinced that government agents were watching him. As it turns out, he was right.

Almost 20 years after his death, the government released the FBI file on Lennon, which included nearly 300 pages of text. One document that went from the FBI to the CIA reports that Lennon planned to take part in a protest at the 1972 Republican National Convention.

South Carolina Sen. Strom Thurmond seized on that, suggesting to President Nixon's attorney general that Lennon's visa be terminated.

A few weeks later, Lennon was given 30 days to leave the country and was notified that his visa had been terminated because of an old drug arrest in England.

"I think that the world really loved the Beatles for being charming and sweet," Ono said. "But some people did resent the fact that they were no more the sweet, nice, charming boys."

Ono and Lennon did not want to leave the United States, and a legal battle ensued.

In 1976, after the end of the Vietnam War and the Watergate scandal, Lennon won.

The judge in the case wrote that the British singer's battle to stay in the United States was a "testimony to his faith in the American dream."

c&p (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2396859)
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: storch on September 06, 2006, 12:39:35 PM: you mean that a rich british subject and his japanese subject wife would prefer to live ....HERE?? in evil richard nixon's world dominating wannabe amuuuuuuruca? who'dathunkit? not canada huh? oh well. why do you think that might have been, I wonder?
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: Airscrew on September 06, 2006, 12:56:43 PM: The marajuna was cheaper here?
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: Squire on September 06, 2006, 01:15:44 PM: On behalf of Canada, thank you for taking him. ;)
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: storch on September 06, 2006, 01:17:17 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Squire
On behalf of Canada, thank you for taking him. ;)
heh
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: Ripsnort on September 06, 2006, 01:51:59 PM: FBI has files on over 1/3 of the US citizens. Whats new?
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: Fishu on September 06, 2006, 02:22:41 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
FBI has files on over 1/3 of the US citizens. Whats new?

I don't think a partial page equals to 300 pages.
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: Ripsnort on September 06, 2006, 02:45:13 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Fishu
I don't think a partial page equals to 300 pages.
Public figures have a tendency to have more influence on riots, which is a national security issue, than the common man does. ;)
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: Shuckins on September 06, 2006, 04:35:55 PM: Anybody above the age of 40 ALREADY knew that the U.S. government had kept tabs on Lennon and his anti-war activities.

Nothing new here...move along.
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: xrtoronto on September 06, 2006, 04:39:24 PM: Quote
Originally posted by storch
not canada huh? oh well. why do you think that might have been, I wonder?

ya too bad; if he had chosen canada he'd still be alive
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: Shuckins on September 06, 2006, 04:43:19 PM: Naw, they would have hooked up with a Tim Treadwell type and had one pot-party too many in grizzly territory.

I mean...Imagine.
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: Debonair on September 06, 2006, 05:24:24 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Public figures have a tendency to have more influence on riots, which is a national security issue, than the common man does. ;)

i know the guy who masterminded the 1999 Seattle WTO riots.
he is common as hell, works retail at the mall, plays IL-2 & hates hippies
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: Ripsnort on September 06, 2006, 05:26:17 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Shuckins
Naw, they would have hooked up with a Tim Treadwell type and had one pot-party too many in grizzly territory.

I mean...Imagine.
:rofl
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: Ripsnort on September 06, 2006, 05:27:34 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Debonair
i know the guy who masterminded the 1999 Seattle WTO riots.
he is common as hell, works retail at the mall, plays IL-2 & hates hippies

Well, not to discredit this individual, but even *I* could have started those riots! :rofl That was several special interest "groups" of people just dying for a riot!
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: Debonair on September 06, 2006, 05:39:03 PM: i guess so.
NW is full of scandanavian blood just itching to go berserk:D :eek: :D :D
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: storch on September 06, 2006, 05:56:48 PM: Quote
Originally posted by xrtoronto
ya too bad; if he had chosen canada he'd still be alive
yes this is true. silly british subject running around unarmed.
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: Maverick on September 06, 2006, 05:58:46 PM: Why would this be news? He wanted to stay in the States for a very simple 3 letter word reason, tax. He'd have been taken to the cleaners if he'd gone back to good ol' Britain. He made most of his money here, he just decided not to take to to his former home and let the government have it. Big fat hairy deal.
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: Debonair on September 06, 2006, 06:06:17 PM: the highest tax pracket in the late 70s was way up there, iirc & swiss accounts worked back then...
was it cause baseball is a ton better than soccer or that the NY art scene was way hotter than London & the artist yoko wore the pants in that relationship?
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: xrtoronto on September 06, 2006, 06:28:59 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Debonair
the NY art scene was way hot

I believe you are right there ^^

...Lennon also loved the way he could walk around NYC and while people noticed him at a glance, they didn't go all goofy and pester him...I remember him telling the story of how much he liked walking about the city and people would just nod or say 'Hi John'
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: FUNKED1 on September 06, 2006, 07:12:55 PM: Dubya channeling (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hstBefXjrs0) Lennon about 3:50 in.
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: rpm on September 06, 2006, 07:22:07 PM: I still view Yoko Ono as a threat.
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: xrtoronto on September 06, 2006, 08:28:32 PM: anyone remember this happening? 1969 Lennon & Ono take out full page ads in numerous daily's around the world:

(http://www.thepostcard.com/walt/patriot/tic186.gif)
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: storch on September 07, 2006, 02:11:48 AM: I remember that, I also remember thinking even at my then young age, what a pinhead.
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: Bronk on September 07, 2006, 07:49:20 AM: Mehh all i see is yoko trying to grab more $$ by invoking his name.

Bronk
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: xrtoronto on September 07, 2006, 08:17:20 AM: Quote
Originally posted by storch
I remember that, I also remember thinking even at my then young age, what a pinhead.

how much influence did that have at the time do you think? I will admit I was not politically involved at that time in my life. I do remember it happening, but back then the beatles were in the media daily - so it was just another story
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: Suave on September 07, 2006, 09:01:00 AM: Somebody just found out that the FBI had a big file on john lennon? Wasn't this newsworthy back in like 1981 ?

xrtoronto is who's shade?
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: Thrawn on September 07, 2006, 09:33:02 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
FBI has files on over 1/3 of the US citizens. Whats new?

That's awful.
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: storch on September 07, 2006, 09:48:17 AM: I recall that the ad was released around the time he was doing those publicity stunts, naked in bed with yoko ono. not ever having liked beatles music and lennon especially, my opinion is obvious and just as obviously slanted. I do think the pair were treated as eccentrics by the media and they probably did far more harm than good to themselves and their cause with those stunts. I believe that soon after those ads ran, president nixon unleashed his attack cross dresser on them and fought to have lennon deported.
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: Maverick on September 07, 2006, 12:22:05 PM: Having a file does not necessarily equate to being under investigation for wrong doing. Anyone who has or had a security clearance has an FBI "file".

Put the time foil hats away. Statistics without proper interpretation are meaningless.

:noid
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: Yeager on September 07, 2006, 01:11:38 PM: Any guy that writes lyrics like this needs to be treated with special care:
===========================================

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they fly.
I'm crying.

Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come.
Corporation tee-shirt, stupid bloody Tuesday.
Man, you been a naughty boy, you let your face grow long.
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen, I am the walrus,
coo coo coochoo

Mister City P'liceman sitting
Pretty little p'licemen in a row.
See how they fly like Lucy in the Sky, see how they run.
I'm crying. I'm cry------------ing,
I'm crying. I'm cry------------ing.

Yellow matter custard, dripping from a dead dog's eye.
Crabalocker fishwife, pornographic priestess,
Boy, you been a naughty girl you let your Knickers down.
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen, I am the walrus,
goo goo gajoob

Sitting in an English garden waiting for the sun.
If the sun don't come, you get a tan
From standing in the English rain.
I am the eggmen, they are the eggmen, I am the walrus,
goo goo gajoobgoo goo gajoob

Expert texpert choking smokers,
Don't you think the joker laughs at you? (ho ho ho, he, he he, ha, ha, ha)
See how they smile like pigs in a sty, see how they snied.
I'm crying.

Semolina pilchard, climbing up the Eiffel Tower.
Element'ry penguin singing Hari Krishna.
Man, you should have seen them Kicking Edgar Allan Poe.
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen, I am the walrus,
goo goo gajoobgoo goo gajoobgoo goo gajoobgoo goo gajoob joob
Juba juba juba, juba, juba, juba, juba, juba, juba juba. Juba juba.....

Everybody's got one

Oompa, oompa, stick it up your joompa
Title: US Govt Saw John Lennon As A “Threat”
Post by: Boroda on September 08, 2006, 02:22:12 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Yeager
Any guy that writes lyrics like this needs to be treated with special care:

My favourite song :) Imagine how I tried to translate it in 9th grade :D

progressive taxes were up to 90% IIRC in the UK under Labour government in the 70s...

And FBI watching Lennon is very, very old news.