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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Latrobe on September 06, 2006, 08:14:24 PM
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who thinks it should be perked?
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You must be new here.
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make it cost 500 perkies for three months then lower it to like 80 something or other.
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hey latrobe. as much as i feel it should be perked, seeing as how it is faster than the spit14, the ta, the f4u4, and c. and has as good or better armament as those planes.
the best reason ive heard for why it isnt perked is that a line for perking planes needed to be drawn somewhere, an the LA is on the unperked side of the fence. However i would like to see the LA perked an draw the line at one of the corsairs instead.
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no, i dont think it needs to be perked. I actually used it a bit last month, forgot how much fun it can be in low fast fights and base defense.
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Good to see the comunitys getting new peaple!!!
But in all serious the LA7 has been asked to be perked for longer then i can remember so i doubt it will happen sry :(
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SOMTHING needs to be done, but I doubt perking will be that somthing. I for one would be happy with realistic settings for LA7 and all other planes as well.
If we are going to name the planes after real planes- THEY SHOULD BE MODELED AFTER REAL PLANES.
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Originally posted by Atoon
SOMTHING needs to be done, but I doubt perking will be that somthing. I for one would be happy with realistic settings for LA7 and all other planes as well.
If we are going to name the planes after real planes- THEY SHOULD BE MODELED AFTER REAL PLANES.
And you base your comments on your experience flying real WW2 planes? :)
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Originally posted by Atoon
If we are going to name the planes after real planes- THEY SHOULD BE MODELED AFTER REAL PLANES.
You used to fly La7's in the Great Patriotic War?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Latrobe
who thinks it should be perked?
The La7 does not need to be perked. It in no way creates an unbalance in game play. The argument of "everyone flies them!" is not sufficient enough reason because no matter how many fly them, it still does not create an unbalance. There are other planes that provide a good counter to the La7. Besides the La7 dies as easy as any other plane.
ack-ack
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The argument of "everyone flies them!" is not sufficient enough reason because no matter how many fly them, it still does not create an unbalance
why is Chog perked again? :noid
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Originally posted by Atoon
SOMTHING needs to be done, but I doubt perking will be that somthing. I for one would be happy with realistic settings for LA7 and all other planes as well.
If we are going to name the planes after real planes- THEY SHOULD BE MODELED AFTER REAL PLANES.
Please bring forth your in-depth research that proves that the La-7 is modeled incorrectly ... many of us would love to see it.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
The argument of "everyone flies them!" is not sufficient enough
And incorrect too. ;)
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Originally posted by Baylor
why is Chog perked again? :noid
Because long time ago, it was unbalancing the game on a large scale.
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I must say, I don't see what all the fuss about the La 7 is.... Sure... there are so many of them in the MA... but they aren't that dangerous.
They're quick and nimble... but are definately out-flyable
I am very much a n00b and mainly fly 109s and 190s and I have no more trouble with La's than I do with any other aircraft.
Also, pardon my ignorance, what is a chog?
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La-7 shouldn't be perked IMO. There are free planes that can counter it.
On a side note, how many of the 3 cannon version were used in combat in WW2? If the number is similar to the number of F4U-1Cs, then an argument could be made for perking the 3 cannon version and leaving the 2 cannon one free.
Edit: C hog is an F4U-1C (the corsair with four 20mm cannon).
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Ok name 4 non-perked planes taht can counter La7?
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The dora can catch the la7.
Any spit can outturn the la7.
The noobs and scorepotatos need a plane to have fun in. Leave it unperked.
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
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Any spit can outturn the la7.
umm the La7 is way uber. if u dont think a la7 can out turn a spit fight furball. still dont know how he did it. but yes it needs to be perked like 5 perks at least. then it would be a little better.
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If everybody did fly them constantly, and flew them well, I'd say perk it. Since most people fly it as poorly as anything else, it's just one more target that shoots back at you- just like all the other fighters. Yay.
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Spit16 needs to be perked it pwns all. Especially, in the hands of an expert.:cool:
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I have shot down LA-7s in my favorite ride, The LA-5.
I wish people would complain less and give advice as to how to counter certain rides.
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The proportion of La-7s seems to be falling. I fly them for base defense. But a Yak & Spit-16 have many of the same advantages- so many more people now use those. I don't see the big problem, though they do account for the highest number of kills of me each month.
-MI-
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Originally posted by goldelks
Ok name 4 non-perked planes taht can counter La7?
It would be easier to name 4 that couldn't! But here are 4: Spit16, F4u-1, f4u-1c, f4u-1D. Here are 4 more: Spit9, f4u-4, hurri2-c, a6m5b. Here are 4 more: 109k-4, p51D, Spit8, spit5.:aok
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Originally posted by Xasthur
Also, pardon my ignorance, what is a chog?
F4U1-C , the jabo monster with 4 hispano countless of rockets and bombs
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Originally posted by goldelks
Ok name 4 non-perked planes taht can counter La7?
P-47N, P-38J, P-38L, P-40E
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My beef isn't why the La7 is not perked. More of why the Ta152 is. Many many forum topics have brought up how poorly modeled our Ta is and the armament is not much more deadly than say a Typhoon or CHurri. So rather than perk the La7, unperk the Ta152.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Please bring forth your in-depth research that proves that the La-7 is modeled incorrectly ... many of us would love to see it.
i dont recall the site it was from but a few times ive seen that the LA-7 was slightly slower than the P-51D by around 8mph at 20k i believe.
i suppose the major conflict wit seein a lot of LA's is that people like to land there kills, an most people who fly either choose somethin to an extreme
thats fast or somethin that turns well.
so lets say u have some kills an youve managed to get away from the fight, an now ur almost home free, u have some guys in spits who are want to kill you (thats fine u have ur lead u can get away) but theres that one guy who is in an LA-7 who without a doubt will catch u and force u to turn now u have to fight off everyone.
A) make high G turns an attempt to out maneuver LA, but now spits have caught up to u with no E.
B) make low G turns attepmt to keep ur E an work ur way behind the LA (witch is tough because la manages E well an accelerates unbelievably)
but this is my oppinion.............I didnt think i would end up typin this much
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The La-7 is a great plane, but it doesn't seem to be more popular than the Spit 16. One aspect I find tough about the La-7 as an opponent is that it is so small and hard to see.
I think perking should be (and might be already, for all I know) based on two things. Perk any plane that is too powerful (i.e., without perking it, it would make up, say, 75% or more of the planes you see). Perk any plane that was, in real life, made in very small numbers.
The Ta 152 and F4U-1C are examples of planes that weren't produced much in WWII (about 150 and 200 aircraft, respectively). There were about 5700 La-7's produced in WWII.
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this one comes up ever now and then. there werent many 3 cannon la7s, just like there werent many f4u1cs. A lite perk wouldnt hurt anything, f4u1c is super cheap and if u cant afford one u seriuosly need to stop in the t/a. La5 s a good plane, but u wouldnt know that by looking at the numbers.
Spit16...la7s partner in crime is another one that always comes up. The thing is just too easy to fly, some acm and ur hard to touch. if it has any soft spots its the gun package, its not heavy in the armor department, and it breaks up easy under g's(are maybe im too rough). A while back i remember being in t/a and a guy wanted me to fight him useing it, after flyin other heavyer planes it feels reall uber, unless the plane with its roll and turn rate just creates that illusion. Another plane that if litly perk wont hurt a thing, again if u cant afford it u got problems. theres alot of other spitfires out there, my fav was the seafire.
"well alot of people fly them but they dont fly them rite", this means nothing, that means that we give the new guys some slack, but then when they develope bad habits and do nothin but hord,ho and vulch and u vet guys cant find a good one on one u get mad. I find good one on one's but maybe this is because of the time im playing.
Lite perks wont hurt anything, 5 perks if ur wining 8 if ur loseing no less then 2.
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Heck, if I had my way I'd perk anything with an ENY of 30 or lower...
A cost of 1-3 in perks would help keep numbers a little lower, besides, even with a perk cost do you see things like the Dora and the La7 running any less? :)
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To do my part in supporting diversity in aircraft, all other things being equal, I attack Spit 16's and La-7's first.
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Originally posted by goldelks
Ok name 4 non-perked planes taht can counter La7?
I'll name the two that are superior to the La-7 in a dogfight:
Bf 109G-2
Spitfire Mk.XVI
There's a longer list of fighters that can effectively counter the La-7. Most of these have already been named by others.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
I'll name the two that are superior to the La-7 in a dogfight:
Bf 109G-2
Spitfire Mk.XVI
There's a longer list of fighters that can effectively counter the La-7. Most of these have already been named by others.
My regards,
Widewing
imop, La7 has no rival unperked, even the Tempest in close stall fight is not better
La7 can engage and disengage anytime wants the G2 , if is not stupid and gets in turn/stall fight,
109G2 is porked like all Luftwaffe, those gondolas make it move like a fat pregnant cow:, with only 1x 20mm, the firepower is a joke
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Originally posted by Delirium
Heck, if I had my way I'd perk anything with an ENY of 30 or lower...
A cost of 1-3 in perks would help keep numbers a little lower, besides, even with a perk cost do you see things like the Dora and the La7 running any less? :)
i like that idea, it seems it would eliminate a lot of cannon planes. dogfighting would have some slack to give to the guy bein attacked aside from gettin hit wit two rounds an losin a wing. it leaves a little more room for error.
My wish would be to do away wit cannons, its far too easy to shoot down a plane with a quick tap of the trigger. But because its historicaly correct it wont change.
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If you're talking about perking the La7 based on overusage, you have to perk the N1K2 and Spit16 at the same time. The la7(Followed closely by the n1k2) accounts for about 6.5% of the total kills. When the C-hog was perked, it was scoring ~20% of the total kills. A bit of a difference.
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Originally posted by ghi
imop, La7 has no rival unperked, even the Tempest in close stall fight is not better
La7 can engage and disengage anytime wants the G2 , if is not stupid and gets in turn/stall fight,
109G2 is porked like all Luftwaffe, those gondolas make it move like a fat pregnant cow:, with only 1x 20mm, the firepower is a joke
The LA-5 dominates the LA-7 in a furball.
The F4U's dominate the LA-7 in a furball.
Spitfires, Hurri's and Zeros all dominate the LA-7 in a furball.
The G2 is surpisingly capable of dispatching several LA-7s even with it's single 20mm.
The LA-7 can only run from these planes and B'n'Z in hope someone makes a mistake. It the LA-7 gets slow it's dead against any of these planes.
Then you have the high speed planes like the Dora, P-51, K4 and G-14, all of which are at least almost equal to the LA-7 down low and dominate it at altitude.
Don't get me wrong the LA-7 is a fantastic plane, but it's no better overall than the 15 or so planes I just mentioned.
I think the reason people hate the LA-7 so much is it's got the low-level speed to catch people trying to egress home. Not much more infuriating then trying to dis-engage from a gaggle of LA-7's. The only solution is to kill them all and head home at your leisure.
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how long ago was it that f4u1c was unperked?
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Originally posted by JB42
My beef isn't why the La7 is not perked. More of why the Ta152 is. Many many forum topics have brought up how poorly modeled our Ta is and the armament is not much more deadly than say a Typhoon or CHurri. So rather than perk the La7, unperk the Ta152.
Wow! I agree with 42!:aok
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Originally posted by ghi
imop, La7 has no rival unperked, even the Tempest in close stall fight is not better
La7 can engage and disengage anytime wants the G2 , if is not stupid and gets in turn/stall fight,
109G2 is porked like all Luftwaffe, those gondolas make it move like a fat pregnant cow:, with only 1x 20mm, the firepower is a joke
couldn't disagree more, srry ghi!
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Originally posted by g00b
The LA-5 dominates the LA-7 in a furball.
The F4U's dominate the LA-7 in a furball.
Spitfires, Hurri's and Zeros all dominate the LA-7 in a furball.
The G2 is surpisingly capable of dispatching several LA-7s even with it's single 20mm.
The LA-7 can only run from these planes and B'n'Z in hope someone makes a mistake. It the LA-7 gets slow it's dead against any of these planes.
Then you have the high speed planes like the Dora, P-51, K4 and G-14, all of which are at least almost equal to the LA-7 down low and dominate it at altitude.
Don't get me wrong the LA-7 is a fantastic plane, but it's no better overall than the 15 or so planes I just mentioned.
I think the reason people hate the LA-7 so much is it's got the low-level speed to catch people trying to egress home. Not much more infuriating then trying to dis-engage from a gaggle of LA-7's. The only solution is to kill them all and head home at your leisure.
Dmn, I agree with g00b too? Something just isn't right! :-)
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has anyone brought up on how the LA7 is not good up high? I don't think it should be perked becuase of that and it's short range.
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Not only should it remain unperked, but it should get a tactical nook with it!:aok
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For the luv of god perk it.
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Originally posted by Latrobe
who thinks it should be perked?
.........all the kids who were brought up to believe that the Mustang & Spit won the war & can't handle the fact that the Russians made some first class fighters. ;)
I agree with Delerium & Bagrat. A small perk penalty for low ENY planes to encourage more diverse use of plane set. (secures tin-hat for flak from the "we pay our $/Ł so why should we be penalised for flying what we want brigade").
Regards
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The LA7 was never the backbone of the Red Airforce. For this reason, coupled with it's late war, and reletively low production run, a small perk would be fine for me but not needed. I do not see any more La7's in the MA than say...Niki's or late war Spits.
When I see an LA7, I attack!. Figuring it is a pilot even newer than myself and possibly even less skilled. Flying porked LW rides, I usually know if I am right or wrong wihin the first minute of engagement.
It's really much like pro sports. Any team can beat another on any given day. It's in the hands of the players. An La7 in the hands of a competant pilot is leathal. So is a TBM. Look what restrictor plates have done to big track auto racing. I don't think anyone wants that boredom here. Variety and challange are good things, and I don't worry so much about what the red icon over the plane says, as I do hope the pilot is an entertaining adversary.
Having said all of the above, do I think the whole perk system is flawless? Of course not, nothing is.
Fight the pilot, not the plane.
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Originally posted by Stampf
The LA7 was never the backbone of the Red Airforce. For this reason, coupled with it's late war, and reletively low production run, a small perk would be fine for me but not needed. I do not see any more La7's in the MA than say...Niki's or late war Spits.
When I see an LA7, I attack!. Figuring it is a pilot even newer than myself and possibly even less skilled. Flying porked LW rides, I usually know if I am right or wrong wihin the first minute of engagement.
It's really much like pro sports. Any team can beat another on any given day. It's in the hands of the players. An La7 in the hands of a competant pilot is leathal. So is a TBM. Look what restrictor plates have done to big track auto racing. I don't think anyone wants that boredom here. Variety and challange are good things, and I don't worry so much about what the red icon over the plane says, as I do hope the pilot is an entertaining adversary.
Having said all of the above, do I think the whole perk system is flawless? Of course not, nothing is.
Fight the pilot, not the plane.
This simple post speaks volumes !!! :aok
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Originally posted by Stampf
The LA7 was never the backbone of the Red Airforce. For this reason, coupled with it's late war, and reletively low production run, a small perk would be fine for me but not needed. I do not see any more La7's in the MA than say...Niki's or late war Spits.
When I see an LA7, I attack!. Figuring it is a pilot even newer than myself and possibly even less skilled. Flying porked LW rides, I usually know if I am right or wrong wihin the first minute of engagement.
It's really much like pro sports. Any team can beat another on any given day. It's in the hands of the players. An La7 in the hands of a competant pilot is leathal. So is a TBM. Look what restrictor plates have done to big track auto racing. I don't think anyone wants that boredom here. Variety and challange are good things, and I don't worry so much about what the red icon over the plane says, as I do hope the pilot is an entertaining adversary.
Having said all of the above, do I think the whole perk system is flawless? Of course not, nothing is.
Fight the pilot, not the plane.
Bloody right:D
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If you had a plane with a lousy cockpit view (that interfered with aiming and shooting, and SA), terrible ballistics, awful gas mileage because of a tiny fuel tank, had no drop tanks, performed worse than bad over 20K, and that carried pitiful ordinance, would you perk it?
Almost any American late war ride is an uber plane next to that list of deficiencies, but I don't see any demand to perk the P51D for example. Next to the LA7, the P51D is 'way uber because of its versatility, and it can eat the La-7 for lunch. So the La-7 can run away. Big deal.
Leave the La7 alone. It's a niche fighter at best. The only things it has going for it are speed and a reasonable ammo load. It's a terrible dogfighter, but when the horde visits, it has its uses as a base defender. What's it's K/D ratio these days anyway?
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I started out in the Spit V (for nostalgic reasons I guess), but most people would just ignore me and run to wherever they were going. Speed is what I need and the La-7 looked to be the speed king. Now I totally PWN people in it. It is totally and absolutely UBER and I LOVE it!
Leave it alone.
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I started out in the Spit V (for nostalgic reasons I guess), but most people would just ignore me and run to wherever they were going. Speed is what I need and the La-7 looked to be the speed king. Now I totally PWN people in it. It is totally and absolutely UBER and I LOVE it!
Leave it alone.
Is it you who PWN people, or is it the plane? Perhaps the reason you give out, may be exactly the reason why it should be perked.
I say perk it.
But then again, I want every plane post mid-'44 perked.
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Perk planes to your content, but there will always be one plane that’s faster than the others and that’s where you’ll find me. I learned to hate “runners” in the Spit, now I make a point of catching them and forcing them to fight me. I guess the “runners” don’t like that and that’s why these “perk the La” threads get started. If they don’t fight me they’re wasting my time, so I couldn’t care less what the “runners” think of the La-7. :)
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just so u know Viking i never run from a fight i either get 5 kills or die trying. I also NEVER fly the La7 cuz i hate it so much they're fast, manueverable (1 of the fastest and and near best turning in the game i believe) they have guns that kill nearly everything, and the only downfall i see in them is that they cant go over 9K and win a fight. but no one ever goes that high to fight anyways all the fights are 5K or less (or atleast the ones i see)
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Latrobe, then you should start flying'em. You'll stop hating it and start loving it! :p
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Doubt it. I started flying them exclusively this tour. I couldn't take it. I ended up flying a few sorties in other planes with my squaddies.
However I'm about 60 for 10 in the LA5 and LA7 combined after only 3-4 nights of flying it this tour.
Just because it allows you to get kills easily doesn't mean it's a great plane. The gas mileage blows big time. The acceleration is retarded (once you slow down everything will catch you, EVERYthing). The ammo is adequate but the guns themselves are ridiculous. I've landed 5+ 20mm hit sprites (and hit sprites can be multiple hits) and have nothing fall off the other guy. I've peppered B24s with 200 20mm rounds and only got 1 gas leak from them. The guns suck terribly.
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Originally posted by Stampf
Flying porked LW rides, I usually know if I am right or wrong wihin the first minute of engagement.
There are no porked Luftwaffe rides... Only porked pilots.
That second one can often be fixed.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Krusty
The acceleration is retarded (once you slow down everything will catch you, EVERYthing).
I wonder how you got that impression. If the La has one strength, it is acceleration. It´s one of the fastest accelerating planes in game at sea level. Better than 190D, Ki84, at all speeds. It´s beaten by a very narrow margin by Spit 16 at speeds under 200mph only. 109K4 is on par. The only plane capable of outperforming La7´s acceleration at all speeds is the Tempest, but also by just a very small margin.
The reason one still is shot down when gettin slow, is that the differences in acceleration don´t help that much if your enemy is 200 ft behind you and has same or better speed, but that holds true for every plane. The La is pure muscle!
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F4u1c was perked because of whines, LA7 should be perked for same
reason; whines.
Unperk all AC in the Main arena.
There is nothing about the MA that is historic, except whine, whine ,
whine.
If we all wanted game balance, wouldn't we be in the Allied vs Axis arena?
Just a thought.
Blutik
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PWN! :D
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1022_1157675034_viking-la7.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1022_1157675057_viking-la7-kills.jpg)
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Originally posted by Lusche
I wonder how you got that impression. If the La has one strength, it is acceleration. It´s one of the fastest accelerating planes in game at sea level. Better than 190D, Ki84, at all speeds. It´s beaten by a very narrow margin by Spit 16 at speeds under 200mph only. 109K4 is on par. The only plane capable of outperforming La7´s acceleration at all speeds is the Tempest, but also by just a very small margin.
The reason one still is shot down when gettin slow, is that the differences in acceleration don´t help that much if your enemy is 200 ft behind you and has same or better speed, but that holds true for every plane. The La is pure muscle!
I got that impression flying it. Even in a steep 45-degree dive for several thousand feet the speed only builds up after a prolonged dive. If you lose any speed you're often going to hurt. You're good at accelerating through the lower bands, but you can't get to "escape speed" if there's anybody behind you.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Just because it allows you to get kills easily doesn't mean it's a great plane. The gas mileage blows big time. The acceleration is retarded (once you slow down everything will catch you, EVERYthing). The ammo is adequate but the guns themselves are ridiculous.
I really try to take you seriously, I really do... but repeated posts like this make it hard.
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Originally posted by Krusty
I got that impression flying it. Even in a steep 45-degree dive for several thousand feet the speed only builds up after a prolonged dive. If you lose any speed you're often going to hurt. You're good at accelerating through the lower bands, but you can't get to "escape speed" if there's anybody behind you.
Check out the plane comparisons here Krusty, you might be surpsrised.
http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?
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La7 top of the list of plane to shoot down first (or atleast in top 5) if i fly it ill die almost instantly
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Originally posted by SkyRock
It would be easier to name 4 that couldn't! But here are 4: Spit16, F4u-1, f4u-1c, f4u-1D. Here are 4 more: Spit9, f4u-4, hurri2-c, a6m5b. Here are 4 more: 109k-4, p51D, Spit8, spit5.:aok
Agreed...........:D
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Goob I've checked 'em out. The numbers say one thing. Actually flying it totally feels like another thing. All I know is that from the 150-250 range it is good once it has speed, but if you chop for the overshoot you wallow for a bit while others seem to speed by you.
It's just a perception, but that's the way it feels to me.
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I dont have a problem with the LA7, what I do have a problem with is the fact that some people cant dogfight in them. They set their convergance all the way out and HOOOOO PEOPLE. I NEVER take a head to head shot I always let them fly past and then start my fight. BUT the LA7 people insist on firing as we pass. IMO thats a poor mans way of flying. The other day I sat in the MA and counted as people landed. So & so landed 5 victories in a LA7, so & so landed 8 victories in a LA7, ect ect.....
point made.
I went into the DA with someone who insisted that he was good in a LA7 we took up P-51Ds and out of the 7 flights he shot me down once. Then he upped a LA 7 and got me 4 times I got him none. We both took up LA7s and out of 4 flights it was even at 2 each.
Its a HOOOOIN plane nothing else.
PERK IT.
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Originally posted by fireplug1111
I dont have a problem with the LA7, what I do have a problem with is the fact that some people cant dogfight in them. They set their convergance all the way out and HOOOOO PEOPLE. I NEVER take a head to head shot I always let them fly past and then start my fight. BUT the LA7 people insist on firing as we pass. IMO thats a poor mans way of flying. The other day I sat in the MA and counted as people landed. So & so landed 5 victories in a LA7, so & so landed 8 victories in a LA7, ect ect.....
point made.
I went into the DA with someone who insisted that he was good in a LA7 we took up P-51Ds and out of the 7 flights he shot me down once. Then he upped a LA 7 and got me 4 times I got him none. We both took up LA7s and out of 4 flights it was even at 2 each.
Its a HOOOOIN plane nothing else.
PERK IT.
Ok, first you state that the "problem" are the people flyin the La7, not the plane itself. You bring a little example for that. But that you claim the La7 itself is the HOIN machine, and you want to see it perked. Isn´t that a bit contradicting? According to first half of you post, nothing would change. Those LA flyers would certainly continue to HO in other planes. (Possibly even in planes more suited to Ho)
And as a side note, I´ve been Ho´ed by P38 & P51 as much as by La7s...
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Its a great plane for what i do: pork and intercept
Nobody even bothered to mention the worse part aboout a LA7....the teeny perks..land 7 killls...2.5 perks...land 2 kills in a LA5 and 30 perks...
whydo people hate it??
1. It is not a newb plane....most la7s are piloted by vets...newbs use spits because they are more forgiving. In inexperinced hands the la7 loses most turnfights quickly. Too many ways to screw this baby up
2. folks that play for perks and score hate it because it catches them and eats them. i firmly believe they would fly it except for the fact that you dont get points or perks for the kills.
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Definition of insanity -
Repetition of the same action, thinking or motion which always concludes with the same results.
Insert graphic of beaten horse here ------->
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Originally posted by Viking
I started out in the Spit V (for nostalgic reasons I guess), but most people would just ignore me and run to wherever they were going. Speed is what I need and the La-7 looked to be the speed king. Now I totally PWN people in it. It is totally and absolutely UBER and I LOVE it!
Leave it alone.
The speed of the la7 is exactly what I use against it to pwn them everytime!
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What criteria does a plane have to meet in order for aces high to perk it. Is it production numbers, last i remember there werent many nik's produces, but then there were almost as many f4u4 as there were f4u1ds. BUt then there werent many la7s with 3 cannons, a thread awhile back had the numbers on la7s produced with 3 cannons, i dont recall but there were in the 100's. Last i heard f4u1c was perked because there was like 20% f4ucs in the arena, but how long ago was that. Im pretty sure the times have changed since then. Whats the current numbers now, i noe la7 ranks up there high.
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DO NOT PERK THE La-7!!! Okay, its good that a lot of people fly them. If you fly a P-40E, or the 109E, and you should manage to kill an La-7 because some dweeb flies it badly, do you KNOW how many perk points that is?!?
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who cares about perk points?
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Originally posted by bkbandit
who cares about perk points?
When you suck as much as me, every one of them counts.
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I fly the spit16 quite a lot what a great plane it is too but if it meant perking it to get the la-7 perked i would go for it i hate that plane everyone wants to run away in it or boom and zoom what a boring fight it usually is as soon as i get behind mr la-7 he runs like a girl until i am really far away or i get bored and turn around then he wants to fight me usually by hoing just my opinion. I dont think the spit16 should be perked.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
The speed of the la7 is exactly what I use against it to pwn them everytime!
That's what the throttle is for. I can't tell you how funny the con's spasmodic reaction looks when he realises I've chopped throttle + full rudder and won't overshoot. PANIC! … Flip flop ... dead. ;)
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Originally posted by The Fury
I fly the spit16 quite a lot what a great plane it is too but if it meant perking it to get the la-7 perked i would go for it i hate that plane everyone wants to run away in it or boom and zoom what a boring fight it usually is as soon as i get behind mr la-7 he runs like a girl until i am really far away or i get bored and turn around then he wants to fight me usually by hoing just my opinion. I dont think the spit16 should be perked.
I’m guessing you experience that with every plane that’s faster and can’t turn with the Spit. Exception being the La has a better chance of getting away.
You can’t expect people to turn with your Spit. I learned that in the Spit V.
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Originally posted by Viking
You can’t expect people to turn with your Spit. I learned that in the Spit V.
no but i dont expect to be hoed either lol it happens in everyplane i fly against a la all la-7 pilots seem to want to do is BnZ and Ho its a fact. They wouldnt HO if it was perked tho would they? Plus if it is a good la pilot they could easily have a good chance of winning against a spitty.
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Originally posted by Viking
That's what the throttle is for. I can't tell you how funny the con's spasmodic reaction looks when he realises I've chopped throttle + full rudder and won't overshoot. PANIC! … Flip flop ... dead. ;)
Care to put ur skills to a test? It doesnt matter how u chop throttle, flap deployment and rudder size, along with other characteristics generally get the la7 pwned. I very rarely get shot down by one while flying(I get killed plenty by them upping capped fields) and almost never co-alt co-e merge!
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Originally posted by The Fury
no but i dont expect to be hoed either lol it happens in everyplane i fly against a la all la-7 pilots seem to want to do is BnZ and Ho its a fact. They wouldnt HO if it was perked tho would they? Plus if it is a good la pilot they could easily have a good chance of winning against a spitty.
Interesting viewpoint. I see it from the other side of the fence, and I really get annoyed with everybody trying to HO me when I'm in the La. I think the problem is that in any situation where you have a slow stall fighter vs a fast B&Z'er you end up with a series of HO's unless both pilots actively avoid it. This is simply a result of the asymmetric performance and fighting style of the opposing planes.
You hate La's because they always HO you. I avoid 1-on-1's with Spitfires because they always become HO jousts.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Care to put ur skills to a test? It doesnt matter how u chop throttle, flap deployment and rudder size, along with other characteristics generally get the la7 pwned. I very rarely get shot down by one while flying(I get killed plenty by them upping capped fields) and almost never co-alt co-e merge!
Sure! I’m always up for a good duel. What plane do you fly?
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Now, I dont mind the La, I have never had problems with them. They only time they kill me is by cherry-picking in FT. I actually cannot remember a SINGAL significant kill by an La-7! They dont seem to go after me, though that could be because im the 'tard flying a 109E, or a P-40E. Either way. Ive killed more La-7s with 109Es, than La-7s have killed my 109E. I mean, I think I repel them! My big one are the Spit 16 Dweebs and Nikki Dweebs. Now, listen: JUST BECAUSE YOU FLY A SPIT OR A NIKKI, I DO NOT CONSIDER YOU A SPIT/NIKKI DWEEB. I ONLY CONSIDER YOU ONE IF YOU CANNOT ACTUALLY FLY AND ONLY RELY ON THE UBER-NESS OF YOUR PLANE. Anyone in a Spit other than a 16, knows his plane. I have had GREAT fights against Spit 8s, but the 16s that I have seen always cherry pick and gang-bang. I have always been killed by them when I am chasing someone, and two of them and a nikki pop up out of nowhere. As soon as I shake them and get co-everything, they sprint away. They only come near me when I am busy with someone else. THOSE are the problems, and unfortunately, that cannot be fixed.
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i just dont like that it feels like the cold war instead of ww2. It shouldnt be like that since there is only like 4 russain planes.
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Originally posted by Viking
You hate La's because they always HO you. I avoid 1-on-1's with Spitfires because they always become HO jousts.
so basically you run from 1v1s?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Reynolds
Now, I dont mind the La, I have never had problems with them. They only time they kill me is by cherry-picking in FT. I actually cannot remember a SINGAL significant kill by an La-7! They dont seem to go after me, though that could be because im the 'tard flying a 109E, or a P-40E. Either way. Ive killed more La-7s with 109Es, than La-7s have killed my 109E. I mean, I think I repel them!
I think you need a new repellent...you were killed by La7s 14 times this tour without a single La7 kill to show for it.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
so basically you run from 1v1s?
ack-ack
If I think the fight will be boring, yes. I don't know about you, but I'm playing this game to have fun.
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SkyRock, shall we set a time and date for our duel?
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Originally posted by Viking
If I think the fight will be boring, yes. I don't know about you, but I'm playing this game to have fun.
I don't know about you but running from a 1v1 is boring...
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I don't know about you but running from a 1v1 is boring...
ack-ack
Each to his own I guess.
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I would support perking these "dweeb" planes, but only after a new player to the game has had a chance to fly long enough to build up some points in them and get comfortable with tactics. I've been on for a little over 3 months now and, while I'm trying to move on to other planes, I still get shot dow a lot! So don't take my "runaway" airplane from me just yet. :cry
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no crouchs, you get shot down fast learn faster.
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Originally posted by bkbandit
no crouchs, you get shot down fast learn faster.
Then I should be an expert by now... :D At least I'm starting to take a few with me :aok
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i always get a chuckle and maybe a wee bit of wood
every time i come across an la7 pilot who wants to turn fight
my hurri2c. Bring it uber boy!
:D
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I think you need a new repellent...you were killed by La7s 14 times this tour without a single La7 kill to show for it.
ack-ack
1) when was THIS tour started, and when ended?
2) Does it count a kill if you get discoed shortly after? As I seen to remember two or three La-7s go burning into the sea, only to get the "White Screen of Death" seconds after getting the kill. (I was at my dads, I get discoed there all the time)
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Originally posted by Viking
Latrobe, then you should start flying'em. You'll stop hating it and start loving it! :p
It is a plane that needs no skill to fly. I flew a sortie on Sat. Night as a joke, to instruct a new squaddie how it's an easymode plane. I landed 5 kills with 250 rounds remaining with only one vulch (I have rarely flown this in the span of a year).
I cannot COUNT how many La7's I have shot down with a Hurricane IIC, Spitmk1, mk5, Ki-61 or 109F4.
IT ISN'T A CHALLENGE to fly it.
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Originally posted by Reynolds
1) when was THIS tour started, and when ended?
Started at the beginning of this month. But looking at your previous tour, you're set to break your record of getting shot down by the La7. You should at least break the 30 mark by the end of this tour.
ack-ack
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You checking the right name? I aint been shot down by more than one La-7 this tour that I can think of, and ive nailed two or three as far as I can remember in a 109E. But really, are you SURE?!? I do not remember any La-La-Dweebs this month, or anytime recently. Ive only been killed by spits and nikkis recently. Also, where do you get these statistics?
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Last tour pilots flying the following planes shot down more LA7's than pilots flying La7's shot down those planes.
BF109K-4
C205
F4U-1
F4U-1C
F4U-4
FM2
FW 190 A5
FW190D-9
Hurri mk IIC
Ki-61
Ki-84-Ia
???***
Me-262
N1K2**
P38J
SpitIX
Tempest*
Typhoon
* In terms of ratio the Tempest was by far the best La7 killer. (the best unperked La7 killer in terms of ratio remains the Typhoon)
** In terms of sheer numbers the 2nd highest number of kills on La7's were by N1K2's
*** In terms of sheer numbers the 1st highest number of kills on La7's were by La7's(honours of course were even)
Of course from this list we see examples where its the "typical" pilot plane combination rather than the plane alone which has produced a level of superiority.
However it is pilot/plane combinations that we fight against.
I do not see masses of La7's these days. They are common but the ac of choice seems to significantly favour one of the Spit variants.
Compared to many other ac.........
Its easier to stay safe in an La7.
Its easier to "spoil" in an La7. (it will force an engagement which others may finish)
Its easier to disengage in an La7.
Hence it can be quite annoying................... however it is also quite satisfying to kill one if the fight was good...........but then the quality of the fight is intrinsic to what the game is about
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Originally posted by Viking
SkyRock, shall we set a time and date for our duel?
Whenever u see me on. Which shades are you by the way?
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Originally posted by Reynolds
You checking the right name? I aint been shot down by more than one La-7 this tour that I can think of, and ive nailed two or three as far as I can remember in a 109E. But really, are you SURE?!? I do not remember any La-La-Dweebs this month, or anytime recently. Ive only been killed by spits and nikkis recently. Also, where do you get these statistics?
On the HTC Homepage (http://www.flyaceshigh.com) under COMMUNITY > Scores.
Pilot scores for detailed stats.
Killstats in an expanded format for kills/deaths broke up by plane type.
PS: Youve been killed by 14 La7s and 1 La5.
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Originally posted by Reynolds
You checking the right name? I aint been shot down by more than one La-7 this tour that I can think of, and ive nailed two or three as far as I can remember in a 109E. But really, are you SURE?!? I do not remember any La-La-Dweebs this month, or anytime recently. Ive only been killed by spits and nikkis recently. Also, where do you get these statistics?
Maybe you dont see them comming. They are fast you know.
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Originally posted by Max
Definition of insanity -
Repetition of the same action, thinking or motion which always concludes with the same results.
Insert graphic of beaten horse here ------->
Anybody got that animated .gif that DoK uses, that looks like a old english print of a guy beating the dead horse with a cane?
I'd love to pick that up for occasional use....
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ask and ye shall receive
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/dichotomy/BeatDeadHorse.gif)
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also useful at times
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/dichotomy/thread_hijack_live.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/dichotomy/tombstone.jpg)
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Originally posted by Schatzi
On the HTC Homepage (http://www.flyaceshigh.com) under COMMUNITY > Scores.
Pilot scores for detailed stats.
Killstats in an expanded format for kills/deaths broke up by plane type.
PS: Youve been killed by 14 La7s and 1 La5.
lol. I checked it right after I posted that. But I swear, I never remember seeing an La-7 on my six in anything but a bomber for MONTHS!!! I only remember all those spits and nikkis. Wierd, anyway, I still dont find them all that anoying.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Whenever u see me on. Which shades are you by the way?
If by "shades" you mean my in-game name it's VikingRN. Yours is SkyRock I take it?
I’ll look for you. :)
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Originally posted by Viking
Yours is SkyRock I take it?
He might be going by RManiac or Lemnhead again.
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I see alot more N1K's Typh's and Spits than La La's out there. The only people that complain are the ones getting shot down by them. The ones who think they should be perked IMHO would be smart to fly a plane that is that superior to other planes if it is free.:aok
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i dont remember the last time i seen typhoon.
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Look for the guys with the big cannons. That's all you need to know. LAs N1Ks, Tiffies, and Hurri IIcs.
I seem to see more Hurri IIcs now more then ever with those 4 20mm.
Check the scores and your top 5 are
LA7 with 18000 + kills
N1K with 16000 + kills
Spit XVI with 15000 + kills
P51D with 10900 + kills
Hurri IIc with 10100 + kills.
Tiffie is 6th with 8400 + kills
190D9 with 5300 + is 7th
Nothing else even close. Most of the other birds in the 3000 kills or below range.
Big cannons or speed merchants seem to be the MA choice.
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im at the other end of the scale. I fly Spit 1. Terrible i no, but people underestimate it. I could outturn a La7 any day and I can fight well with a Spit 16! Other day had a huge long dogfight, best ive ever had, in FT. After 15 minutes or so of a brilliant fight (where i managed to strafe the guy two or three times) I eventually got cherry picked just as i was lining him up for the final volley of fire. Leave them both alone. Brilliant planes, but can be taken out with relative ease
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Originally posted by bkbandit
i dont remember the last time i seen typhoon.
I saw more than a dozen Sunday evening... I was trying to land a low-fuel A-20 when the raid arrived. Forced to stay airborne, I killed a couple and assisted on several more. I eventually belly landed on the runway when the last two ran for home, missing one elevator, one flap and the right main landing gear. Nonetheless, it was fun.
My regards,
Widewing
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Yes i too saw loads of typhies the other day all very low on the deck and looking for a fight it must av been a mission or something i had just won a 2 v 1 situation wich doesnt happen a lot for me as i was about to line up the runway for my approach to land there must av been at least 10 typhies coming straight at my base needless to say i turned to fight but got slaughtered by the first few lol it was that or get killed while landing :D
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Originally posted by INSANO2
I see alot more N1K's Typh's and Spits than La La's out there. The only people that complain are the ones getting shot down by them. The ones who think they should be perked IMHO would be smart to fly a plane that is that superior to other planes if it is free.:aok
LOL and you win the prize for explaining 99% of the pilots in AH :)
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Originally posted by Viking
If by "shades" you mean my in-game name it's VikingRN. Yours is SkyRock I take it?
I’ll look for you. :)
What was your old ingame name?
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the la7 is great fun, more people should fly it and learn to fight in it.
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Originally posted by Stang
He might be going by RManiac or Lemnhead again.
Stang, are you still flying under that shades account.....WindeX?
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Stang, are you still flying under that shades account.....WindeX?
LOL I miss that windbag, she really was a hoot of a tard.