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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1776 on November 12, 2000, 09:28:00 AM
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Your vote no longer counts the same as everyone else's!!! We have had 2 machine counts in Florida and a third count is being conducted by the "mind readers" at this time.
The democrats have stepped all over your vote in your state by treating the voters in 3 counties in the state of Florida in a different manner.
Now don't tell me democrats=fairness.
Democrats are showing their true colors. It's just amazing how they keep getting away with so much deceit and fraud!!
Will someone please tell me how and why the American people continue to accept this nonsense??? Are our people already brainwashed to only look at the shallow argument??
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"Democrats are showing their true colors. It's just amazing how they keep getting away with so much deceit and fraud!!"
With their sympathetic Media supporters, they are absolutely comfortable with spewing outrageous propaganda upon(in their estimation)the moronic "masses". It worked for Goebbels, the Soviets, and other advocates of omnipotent centralized government.
The end justifies the means to these people. Honor, responsibility, the truth, the law(other than as tools to be used against those who adhere to these principles as a way of life), mean nothing to these idealogues. They seek power and control and will do anything to obtain it.
Cabby
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I now announce the state of Florida for Bush!!
I have clearly devined all votes in question as being Bush votes!!! I did see them on TV!!! Therefore, my judgement is as good as the people in Florida!!!
That is exactly what is going on in Florida right now!!!!!
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I saw the three "unbiased" Palm Beach voting officials call for the manual recount vote this morning at 02:30. Talk about a bunch of garbage. It was two to one vote. All three were democrats. Kangaroo politics in action.
Eagler
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Who, I ask you, of all the partisans has stepped aside in this mess, Jeb Bush, that's who!!! Why haven't partisans stepped aside from the democrats??
Because you can't steal if ya not in the game!!!!!
Your vote in this election no matter if it was for Gore or Bush has been trampled by democrats in Florida!!!!
[This message has been edited by 1776 (edited 11-12-2000).]
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I saw that news conference, too. To be fair, the chairman of the committee tried to delay the vote until an opinion and advise from the state could be rendered. The lady next to him would have no part of it, and rammed the vote down his throat. He was in a no-win situation. Funny, she was interested in "letting the voters be heard", but didn't want to listen to anyone's opinion.
I am totally disheartened by this process, and it is now apparent the Democrats are indeed going to be successful in overturning the election. Every time they go in and recount accomplishes what the Democrats want; narrow the number. It's a situation the Democrats cannot lose because - They will get the numbers down
- If they don't get the numbers to where they want, they can litigate for revote
- If all else fails, cloud the Florida vote so much that Florida must be thrown out, and Gore wins on electoral vote
The DNC is going to stop at nothing, no matter the cost in political turmoil and the horrible precedent set. It's going to be Gore at all costs.
For the first time in my life I really do feel the need to start stockpiling weapons. Voting is no longer the way to affect my government.
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The mainstream media continues to throw gasoline on the fires!! I have been watching the Sunday morning shows and am completely floored at the BS they continue to spew!!!
Ya, maybe we will have to go to the streets!!!
My rights and your rights are being treated in a callus manner by a few corrupt democratic partisans in Florida!!!!!
Now, what was that addy for "Kansans for cessation"?
[This message has been edited by 1776 (edited 11-12-2000).]
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Even if Bush wins this, I would not be surprised if on Dec 18, some of the "Bush" electors suddenly started to vote Gore.
There is absolutely nothing the libs would not do to keep power.
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George Will has a pretty good column on this in the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64817-2000Nov11.html)
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George Will= outstanding!!!
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Great article, and very accurate IMHO- except I believe the Democrats will steal it anyway.
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Ya, I think you are right (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Bob Dole says Republicans should boycott the inauguration of the new Commander and Thief,Algore. A very good idea I whole heartedly support (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)!!!!!
[This message has been edited by 1776 (edited 11-12-2000).]
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Quote Kieren:
For the first time in my life I really do feel the need to start stockpiling weapons. Voting is no longer the way to affect my government.
And some kind of shoot-out is? Suprising comment from you, Kieren. You're a school teacher, right?
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Nash,
How do you think the USA got here in the first place?? Sure we may have to go for our guns over this. That's what the 2nd amendment is for, it doesn't have a thing to do with hunting or sport shooting.
PC
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Though I make that comment tongue-in-cheek, I am disenfranchised with the political system that can take away my rights like the Democrats are attempting to do.
And with all due respect Nash, this is amusing to you as an outsider. It is easy for you to be clinical, and to jab and poke to see if the leg kicks. There are two areas of a persons life you never joke about: politics and religion. I have some core issues I disagree with when it comes to this Clinton administration, and Gore is only an extension of that administration.
You can't honestly think the Democrats have the interests of the country in mind right now. They have lost the office, but they are wrangling for some way to steal it back, pure and simple. Any attempts by the Republicans to react will be viewed negatively, and the Democrats know it. They have played this dirty game for the last 8 years, and they do it better than anyone else.
Yes, you will really see people stockpile weapons, no joking about that.
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er... taking back my reply to PC so it doesn't get confused as a reply to Kiern.
[This message has been edited by Nash (edited 11-12-2000).]
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Nash, ya ever hear of the Civil War!!!???
We Americans don't popsicle-foot around!!!
LOCK AND LOAD!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Kieren, it's not my intention to "jab and poke to see if the leg kicks". I have strong feelings on this, as do you. And like you, I have every right to express them.
Your "tongue in cheek" comment aside, *I* haven't "joked" about politics here.
You are most certainly welcome to your opinion of the Clinton administration. That is your right. By posting these opinions on the BBS, I would assume that, rather than
serve solely to whack people over the head and that be that, you would accept (if not invite) a discussion on these opinions.
"You can't honestly think the Democrats have the interests of the country in mind right now."
Yes I can. Certainly you understand the fact that, amazing as it is, some people would hold a different opinion than you.
"They have lost the office, but they are wrangling for some way to steal it back, pure and simple"
See, this is another one of those common misperceptions about this election. *How* do you come to understand that Gore lost the election? He aint "stealing it back" because there's nobody to steal it from. The election aint over, and I would submit that your desire to circumvent the election process runs anathematic to the Democratic process that some (you?) would take up arms to protect.
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No dice.
You know that the longer and more often we recount the votes, the more the vote will favor Gore. This isn't necessarily the true result of the election, but it can be turned that way. There is a margin of error all around the country, and if this thing carries on, that is exactly what we will find out. The Democrats have nothing to lose, they have already lost the election. Yes, they have.
You know the media severely affected the election process by calling states- can your hand recount show what would have happened if people hadn't gone home thinking the decision had been made? Nope.
I am not like many here; I think Gore will win. I think he will find some way to weasel it away. Yes, that is my opinion.
As to divining the intent of the people when they vote, I am so against this. And the 19,000 people voting incorrectly- so what? We have ignorant people here, too. It's good to know that the rights of Floridians are more important than those of my, or everyone else's, state. "We want to reflect the true will of the people of Florida". Sheesh.
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Hmmm, Bush leads after the election(271)
Bush leads after the second count(271)
Now as far as the above Bush has won!!!
The process has now been turned over to humans,partisan humans at that. Democraatic partisans!!!!!
Tell me that a hijacking is not in process!!!! Please be very specific when you reply!!
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"The Democrats have nothing to lose, they have already lost the election. Yes, they have."
That position is simply counter to reality.
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Originally posted by 1776:
Hmmm, Bush leads after the election(271)
Bush leads after the second count(271)
Now as far as the above Bush has won!!!
The process has now been turned over to humans,partisan humans at that. Democratic partisans!!!!!
Tell me that a hijacking is not in process!!!! Please be very specific when you reply!!
You are correct!
As I see it, gore is 95% assured the election. What a farce and an embarrassment
Eagler
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One thing this has shown me is that Gore, Bush and all the people around them, no matter what their personal beliefs and convictions might be, are slimy politicians first (no, I am not surprised).
Both parties are sinking to new lows. Both sides are willing to sacrifice this country's belief in itself and its government to win and/or deny the other side in what is turning into a high-stakes pissing contest. They want to talk about leadership, but neither side is displaying any leadership whatsoever -- only pettiness.
If either Bush or Gore wants to be a true leader and win over the opinion of the American people, they need to call a press conference and denounce the actions of their OWN party for their part in this. They need to mention names, and call for those individuals to stop this BS until we get a final vote tally. They shouldn't point the finger at the other party when they do it. Hell, they shouldn't even mention the other party. And afterwards, they need to stand up to their party's leadership and make it stick.
That is probably a pipe-dream. But I'm hoping someone comes to their freakin' senses...
Gordo
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WHOA!!! that's a mighty broad brush you have there Lance!!!
Perhaps you need to look and see who is putting our country through these times. Who has asked for count after count??? Who actually entered the court system first!!
Perhaps you need to stop and think about the facts before you start painting with that very ,very broad brush!!!
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Heh wow, except for Kieren, all these opinions are so unbiased I've decided to ignore them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
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I have, 1776, and I see consuming irrationality on both sides.
I hear the evidence of Gore's being the antichrist posted here and I shake my head. Most of it I haven't heard anywhere else. Oh yeah, that manipulative, biased liberal media. I guess I could tune in to Rush Limbaugh to be properly enlightened.
I wish I could say the side I voted for was any different, but I can't.
I have friends who are as fanaticaly liberal as you are conservative, and they spout similar evidence that Bush is the antichrist. I listen to them and I shake my head, wondering "You are a reasonably intelligent person, why are you buying into this nonsense?"
I watch or read the news, and all I hear coming from either camp is how the other side is trying to thwart the process. The fact is, the process is not and would never have been over until all of the ballots are counted and results certified. Concession or not, this election wouldn't have been over yet. We have a very close race that is going down to the wire. The real wire where all votes have to be counted and certified before we know who won. But people from both parties won't let the process simply continue its due course. Both sides are guilty of what they are accusing the other of doing.
As for who entered the court system first, it hasn't been either party yet. Some individual voters have filed suit over the Palm Beach ballot, and the Bush campaign is supposed to seek their injunction tomorow.
But I couldn't care less about who started it, it needs to stop. You can argue that yeah we're going to litigate, but the Democrats started this mess by saying they would aid people to sue over that ballot. My liberal zealot friends would argue that they are only seeking to make sure people's voting rights weren't violated, and as far as dirty politics goes, you've got no room to talk with that Clinton impeachment debacle that you forced on America. You would counter with some argument about the impeachment being important for this country, and what about Clarence Thomas and Iran Contra? etc... etc... It could go around in circles until you get back to Nixon and Watergate, I imagine. Get the point? For the sake of the country, this stupid one-upsmanship has got to stop.
You can believe that your party is devoid of guilt in this mess. That's certainly your perogative, but don't expect me to buy the manure that they and their pundits are feeding you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) And no, I'm not buying the same crap (different flavor) that the Dem's are peddling either.
Gordo
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A good response (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) from a middle-of-the-roader!!! I want to compliment you on your deep thinking and knowledge of these matters!!
I think there may be way too many of the
"They-are-all-alike" out in America today and we have just seen one. Attitude of the I- don't-give-a-damn! Be prepared to not complain when the cards come tumbling down.(I bet ya you will be first in line.)
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Bravo Gordo.
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Right on Gordo (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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As for who entered the court system first, it hasn't been either party yet. Some individual voters have filed suit over the Palm Beach ballot, and the Bush campaign is supposed to seek their injunction tomorow.
Get it straight buddy, so you can at least paint accurately with that huge brush you seem to love. Bush filed for an injunction to stop the hand recounts in democratic strong holds. A hand recount is much more error prone and is also susceptible to democratic partisans fudging the numbers. And aren't the elections boards in those particular counties where Goron wants the hand count democrats? Yeah, unbiased as hell eh mate?
And the democrats entered the court system first. 8 cases were filed, all from democratic voters. There was a case filed by the DNC, which was withdrawn so more time and care could be taken to draw up a large case.
Nash Gore lost TWICE in Florida. Let me say that agains. Gore lost TWICE in Floriday. The ONLY thing left that should swing it would be the absentee ballots counted this coming Friday.
I personally believe that the majority that arrive will be for Bush.
But I guess saying that Bush won is contrary to your reality. Here's a strong dose of reality for you. You're fair haired boy, Goron, lost. The vast majority of the absentee ballots that FL is waiting on are military/republican. Goron's boys know this, so they're trying to adjust the count of the already tabulated votes. Say whatever you will, but we both know the truth.
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When Gore's campain said they'd drop thier suits and wait on the 1st recount (triggered by FL state law) and the absentee ballots, Gore's campain said they dinnae want to limit thier options. To me this says the Dems know they're whipped, but are going to try to fanagle a way to steal the presidency anyway.
Fatty, thx for that link. Great article, too bad it's going to get buried by dem toejam.
I'd love to see how them folks in PBC would've devined my presidential selection had I not chosen one on my '92 ballot. Talk about a split ticket (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Just because a ballot is voted strictly democrat with 1 or 2 unsure dinnae mean that those 1 or 2 selections would be for the democratic candidate. And to all of you who say yes it does mean that, please loan me your crystal balls so I can devine the winning powerball and lotto numbers next week. My grandfather was republican, and more often than not he'd vote a straight party ticket. UNLESS he thought the candidate from the other party was actually the better choice. On the ones where there was no discernable difference, he'd vote republican, on the ones where there was a difference he'd pick the one he thought would represent him best.
BTW Nash (all you other "dang feriners" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ), what makes you think your opinions amount to a hill of beans in this? They are somewhat interesting, but you do not live here and will not be governed by the outcome of this situation. You have nowhere near as much riding on this as we do. And frankly, I'm tired of your pro-Goron dribble. You're as bad as the rest of the DNC.
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1776: Heh! I guess painting the rest of the country as a liberal communist or an I-dont-give-a-damn middle of the roader with your own itsy-bitsy, teensy-weensy brush makes the manure easier to swallow (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Caveman: Where did I ever contradict Bush's reasons for going to court? The problem with the way you make Bush's case is that you take some truth and mix in conspiratorial conjecture about the other side without any evidence to back it up. That is why I have to view your "facts" and "truths" with suspicion. My die-hard democrat friends are absolutely no different, and I view their opinions with an equal ammount of suspicion.
Am I really going out on a limb saying that both parties regularly sacrifice America's belief in itself and its government to further their agenda or undermine their opponents? For arguments sake, let me go ahead and say that the Dem's are the only ones at fault here. Who forced Clinton's impeachment down America's throat? Oh, but there is some justification for that, as I am sure someone will be more than happy to point out. Well, the Dem's are justifying what they are doing now, and their fanatical followers are believing it just as fervently as some of you believed in the justifications for Clinton's impeachment.
At some point this has to stop. That is why I am very disappointed in the party (democrat) that I traditionally vote for. As for the Republican party, I see no difference. The shoe has been on the other foot many times.
Gordo
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Gordo you said:
As for who entered the court system first, it hasn't been either party yet. Some individual voters have filed suit over the Palm Beach ballot, and the Bush campaign is supposed to seek their injunction tomorow.
From the way you wrote that it seemed you were saying Bush was seeking an injunction against the PBC voters' suits, when Bush's filing is to stop the manual recount in a few select districts.
But that still dinnae change that the DNC filed a suit, then withdrew it, so they could rewrite it.
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Ahh, nope, not what I meant. I can see where it was confusing.
Gordo