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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Nifty on September 08, 2006, 08:04:39 AM
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The 332nd Flying Mongrels will be in the AvA arena for our squad night tonight. We cordially invite the AvA regulars to show up and shoot us down! :)
Last time we had our squad night in the AvA arena, a good furball was had by all.
:aok
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as much as I enjoy getting beat up by daddog and minidaddog I accept.
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I'll be there storch... all you have to do is come on on my 6 with an alt and E advantage and I'm yours. I'll ignore the warnings of my squaddies and wait till the last possible second to break... right after my wings come off :lol
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Originally posted by Nifty
The 332nd Flying Mongrels will be in the AvA arena for our squad night tonight. We cordially invite the AvA regulars to show up and shoot us down! :)
Last time we had our squad night in the AvA arena, a good furball was had by all.
:aok
Most excellent diggit.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Nifty
The 332nd Flying Mongrels will be in the AvA arena for our squad night tonight. We cordially invite the AvA regulars to show up and shoot us down! :)
Last time we had our squad night in the AvA arena, a good furball was had by all.
:aok
Nifty, thanks for bringing your folks in last night. Best numbers we've seen in awhile, some really fun low-level fights. I'm still picking 20mm jacket pieces out of my butt.
I heard there was some dissatisfaction with the present plane set. Zekes are always difficult opponents, and low level fights between close bases play to the Zekes' strength. By the time midnight rolled around it looked like the Allies had figured out good ways to handle those circumstances. We've found that this is often the case with the Japanese plane sets - they're a heck of a surprise to Spit drivers. I'd urge those whose frustration levels spiked to give it another try - the plane set doesn't change until Monday.
Thanks again, hope to see your people more often.
- oldman
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yes, last night was fun - thanks for bringing some of your group into ava
have to ask though - was there a sign in the allied hangar stating:
" HO First, Ask Questions Later " ? :)
95% of the merges i encountered last night started with the allied spit/p40 or blue barrel plane HOing like crazy ...
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Never saw such a behaviour there. I flew spit, and no Zekes or Ki's went HO with me. I got some, got killed by some, that's it, no sign of HO's
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the HO's I experienced, which were numerous, were against me as I flew axis ..
I'll take the numbers and the Hoing vs no numbers and no Hoing anyday :)
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I too was repeatedly HO'd, I could care less about the numbers though I can get that type of fight in the MA any time.
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Originally posted by Eagler
the HO's I experienced, which were numerous, were against me as I flew axis ..
I'll take the numbers and the Hoing vs no numbers and no Hoing anyday :)
Yeah, there were a few complaints of HOs, a few complaints of ganging --
Sounds like a furball to me.
There were even a few instances of vulching.
All for the most part by people whose names I didn't recognize as AvA regulars (Except for N7, you HOing tard ;) :aok ). A little polite explanation of common AvA ettiquette is all that is needed. Let's not berate them or put them down.
Some new blood should be welcome and encouraged. Lets be careful about judging them too quickly or harshly.
Originally posted by storch
I too was repeatedly HO'd, I could care less about the numbers though I can get that type of fight in the MA any time.
No offense meant, Storch, but a little teaching instead of instant dismissal may yield better results than a deserted AvA. I've always found you to be very helpful when numbers are low and there is "time" for you to do so. When the numbers are up a bit, though, we ALL (myself included) should be just as willing to help the new folks, not drive them out.
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I'm not driving anyone out, I'm leaving. that should theoretically drive folks in.
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Originally posted by storch
I'm not driving anyone out, I'm leaving. that should theoretically drive folks in.
Would hate to see you go, storch. Always a pleasure flying with you or getting shot down by you.
Happy Hunting, whatever you decide. :aok
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not leaving the game just the AvA. geez quit being so mushy too.
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Yeah, but you fly rooks in the MA. Means I can't fly with you, only against you. And in such a large, cruel world, our paths may never cross . . . :cry
OK, OK, enough of the Hokie. :aok
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ya I don't see many crawLTARDS because I don't vultch. occassionally I'll kill one in an La7 taking out ords and ack but that's the exception rather than the rule. occassionally one will vultch me.
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Well atleast you monkeys can play.:(
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what's the martyr?
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let's see, you point a better turning plane at a plane that doesn't turn as well in a co-e, co-alt merge... and you expect the guy NOT to take a head on shot?
I'm sorry, I didn't realize the AvA arena was rear quarter shooting only. I'll try to remember that next time I fly in there.
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Originally posted by Nifty
let's see, you point a better turning plane at a plane that doesn't turn as well in a co-e, co-alt merge... and you expect the guy NOT to take a head on shot?
I'm sorry, I didn't realize the AvA arena was rear quarter shooting only. I'll try to remember that next time I fly in there.
dont think the tony turns better than the spit 5
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Originally posted by Eagler
dont think the tony turns better than the spit 5
I don't think you were only in the Tony. I didn't see a Tony at all for the first 10 minutes or so. It's possible you weren't there yet, but I thought I saw your name in the buffer immediately after getting there.
Regardless, now that I know merges are to be cold in the AvA, I won't fire on them. Don't wanna upset the regulars.
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Wish I could have been there. Was as sick as a dog Friday night.
I know some in my squad Head On. Some vulch, some shoot chutes, some fly LA7’s in the Main Arena. Heck, maybe some don’t pay their taxes. Life goes on.
I will Head On. Have for years. I know it bothers many and for that I am sorry, but if I feel I can get the better end of it I will take it.
If that makes me a lesser pilot then we can duel and prove who is really the lesser pilot. Of course I will lose the duel (against most AvA pilots) and it will prove you are a better pilot. I will have known that from the start, everyone else too. :) We will be back to square one. Me, the lesser pilot/player/man still taking his Head On shots now and again. So we really don't have to duel since it will prove nothing and nothing will change. ;)
All that aside I hope a few of you had fun with my squad despite the head ons.
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Your much nicer than I am Nifty! :D
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most of us were in tonies the whole time. eagler, oldman and myself were in the tony exclusively.
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Originally posted by storch
most of us were in tonies the whole time. eagler, oldman and myself were in the tony exclusively.
Well, the stats page doesn't tell when pilots were flying what, but Eagler and Oldman both have kills and deaths in the A6M5b.
Doesn't matter, I won't fire on the initial merge in the AvA ever again. Of course, you won't find me flying in there again until Daddog says 332nd Squad Night is in the AvA.
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Originally posted by Nifty
Well, the stats page doesn't tell when pilots were flying what, but Eagler and Oldman both have kills and deaths in the A6M5b.
Doesn't matter, I won't fire on the initial merge in the AvA ever again. Of course, you won't find me flying in there again until Daddog says 332nd Squad Night is in the AvA.
I've flown the Zeke this week, but I was flying the Tony during your squad's appearance, and I urged others to do so as well.
Nifty, there's no more a prohibition on HOs in the AvA than there is in the MA. And as in the MA, you face the same response from some folks if you utilize the technique. No real difference there.
I sensed that there were people in your squad who were feeling overwhelmed, and that can be frustrating. But you ought to give the place more than one night's worth of attention before you decide that it isn't for you (heck, I even go into the MA now and then!).
- oldman
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332 flying mongrels.
Nifty, the thing with the AvA is that most of the regulars have years of experience fighting against some very accomplished players. couple that to years of playing in a very narrow band of fighters, these guys know their rides very well. myself as an example, I have flown in the AvA since my second day of my two week trial period in April of 2003, always in axis planes.
no offense intended here but you can't expect to come into that arena with your MA game play and survive long. you just don't have the skills. the fact is you guys attempted to HO me many many times, I was killed once in the HO by an F4F. shame on me. from that point on out all I did was kill kill kill until I got bored with the lameness of it all and logged off. for my $.02 some you guys might need just a bit more TA time. take a page from sondog's notebook, ask him to help you with your ACM. any time you think you need an unforgiving sparring partner look me up.
storch
riot act reader for JG54
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Just for the record, if you give me a shot I will take it, head on, front quarter, side, or rear quarter. Cold merges are for the DA, unless you have an understanding with someone in the AvA, HO's are OK.
Having said that, most merges I wont HO because I am usually trying to gain angles with a lead turn, not going for a shot. BUT, if it is to my advantage I WILL[/i] shoot you in the face in a heartbeat and not even think twice about it.
Nifty, give it another chance, while you see less HOs in the AvA there is not a rule, not even a gentlemans agreement, against them.
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Storch, you're point's well taken...you guys know these planes backwards and forwards.
I (almost) never HO, since it loses way too much in angles. I also practically never get HO'd, since a lead turn or immel gets you off guns way too easily.
But I also logged "from the lameness of it all" -- but because of the other side, the AvA regulars.
There is absolutely no reason for experten to gang. I did four sorties, with 4 different tactical approaches, always taking into account the advantages and disadvantages of the matchups. Only the 4th sortie had any semblance of a fight, since on each of the other ones I got ganged. My lone spit V headed north enroute to what should have been a furball, got jumped by 2-3 zekes that had already climbed 2K above. Capable opposition and big E disadvantage made that essentially hopeless, since the Zeke does everything the V does, but better. Next sortie, P-40, wider spwing to grab a bit more E before engagement... juimped from WEST by 2 Ki-61s with 4-5K alt advantage. Again, no chance, Ki MUCH faster and these guys already with E. Third sortie plain old gang attack.
Only time I made it to the main fight was when I upped from another base and came from the east. As I flew over the "fight" [lol] I saw 2-3 red "vets" on each allied plane. I went to the far side of the axis base, and found a zeke coming in co-alt. We had a nice, indeterminate fight (energy vs turnfighter) until I messed up the envelope, stalled, and had to dive out...but without enough alt to overcome the zeke-5's nearly equal speed ability. My mistake, but annoying matchup when the allied "E-plane" is barely faster than the axis TnBer.
Honestly, I fly for the fight and I do what I can to learn more as I go. I've given the CT/AvA 2-3 meningful tries over the 2.5 years I've played, and each time I've come to the same conclusion: It's a tiny MA, nothing more. The casual AvA'ers have all the annoying tendencies of the MA'er, including ganging, vulching, etc. The AvA regulars are often excellent pilots, but they tend to be "clubby" -- more interested in their group than anything or anyone else.* The 332nd arent in the club, so it was us against them....and for some reason the regulars took the better planeset instead of taking a handicap for the new guys.
Honestly, its no surprise to me that the arena is usually near empty. You had a big influx with the name change, and I can guess why they left.
*(Oldman is and always has been a gentleman and an excellent host, welcoming new guys and going out of his way to make the experience good. But, there's only so much he can do since the gameplay is the sum of the players present.)
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sorry, didn't mean to make it a HO *itch session.
like I said I'll take the Ho's and the numbers anyday as it was pretty easy to avoid them, don't think I was downed by any. Once you know they are going to ho you just have to react sooner than you would if they didn't especially if the ho'er is in a spit5 with its lazer beam cannons :)
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I do not think I am not "clubby" as I am the last of my squad in AvA if not all of AH
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Originally posted by Eagler
I do not think I am not "clubby" as I am the last of my squad in AvA if not all of AH
I think you know who he was talking about.
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Didnt mean to get my undergarments in a knot, either.
I was admittedly annoyed that the best pilots in the arena took the best planes, and then piled on extra numbers to swarm each target as it came in. I could have hung around and kept trying; sounds lilke the fights got better later.
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simaril, I was in there for less than an hour and in a Ki61, how does that equate to "in the best plane"? as far as the "clubby" statement the only club I used was on the ackllieds, it worked handsomely too.
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Originally posted by Grits
I think you know who he was talking about.
are you looking for a fight again sir? because if you are I'm for you. you sure are a strange bird. on the one hand you attempt to be friendly to me. then out of nowhere you post something like that statement which I assume was directed at me personally or if not then at JG54. what would be the reason for that comment? are you in need of further medication, those are strange mood swings.
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Originally posted by Simaril
It's a tiny MA, nothing more. The casual AvA'ers have all the annoying tendencies of the MA'er, including ganging, vulching, etc. The AvA regulars are often excellent pilots, but they tend to be "clubby" -- more interested in their group than anything or anyone else. The 332nd arent in the club, so it was us against them....and for some reason the regulars took the better planeset instead of taking a handicap for the new guys.
You must have been on at a different time than I was, because the numbers were even the whole time I was on. Generally if you call for someone to even sides in the AvA, someone switches. Even the "clubby" ones will do so as more often than not I see at least on on the opposite side.
As for "ganging", I wasn't there, but what may have started as a 3 v 3 may have been down to a 3 v 1 by the time you got there. Nothing new in that. If it was a squad night / squad fight, wouldn't you expect the squad to stay together? I imagine the 332nd would normally stick together -- if they didn't the other night, shame on them for letting themselves get separated and picked off one by one.
Your final comment about the plane set -- I have often seen people unfamiliar with the planes come in and go for the Spit. The automatic assumption of most is that the Spit is automatically the Uber plane. Given the "perk the Spit XVI" whines in the general BBs, who could assume anything less? Then there is genuine shock when the earlier Spits don't quite do the same UFO stuff the XVI does, or when an MA hanger queen turns out to be quite formidable. So I wouldn't assume that the regulars went in and all took Axis because their planes are so "uber" and thus "forced" anyone who came in to take the Spit. See point 1 about what I believe would have happened if they had all gone Axis instead.
Bottom line, your perceptions are yours, but I invite you to give the arena more than a couple cursory glances over the course of years. The "bad" things you experienced to me are exceptions rather than the rule.
Except for Storch. He's just mean. :D ;) :D
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Its pretty simple Storch. When you say something funny, like the Lou Reed comment, I laugh and give you credit for it. When you say something that is true, I agree with it. When you say something rude, I call you on it. When you say something false, I disagree with it and say why I think it is false.
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Originally posted by Grits
I think you know who he was talking about.
ok then using your criteria, in which one of those four categories does this offensive gem fit into?
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I looked at the set as 2x TnB, 2x BnZ. The Energy pair of P-40 and Ki-61 shows that the Ki has a speed advantage of 15-20mph, pretty significant. It also has a significantly tighter turn radius than the Warhawk, better gun lethality, and essentially equal firing time. There's nothing at all that the P40 does better than the Ki-61.
Also true of the Spit V vs the A6M5. The zeke has an enormously tighter turn radius than any other plane in the set, its low alt speed equals the Spit V after WEP runs out. The SPit can try to outclimb the zeke, but the zero's low speed handling would let it nose up for a shot before the SPit could get out of range.
The zeke is also (embarassingly) faster than the P40.
So, Storch, yeah I think the Ki (used as an energy plane) would be the best plane in the set because it could control engagement/ disengagement at will. The only problem for the allies is that the 2nd best Axis plane could outrun and outturn them both....
E25280: The numebrs I was talking about were at the point of contact, not in the arena. And what I saw was not the aftermath of a 3v3. It was single allied planes coming in towards the axis base, and getting attacked by 2-3 guys at once -- instead of the extra guys going on to engage the next con. It was ganging pure and simple. When I got hit by the western Ki's, it was 2 guys with big energy advantage going after me, when there were other cons not far off. Those two were racing for the kill, not trying to have a good fight.
In other words, MA behavior. Not a problem, unless you really want to offer a different experience.
As far as "shame on us" for not sticking together, well, I anticipated a good old fashioned furball, not squad ops. Is the standard REALLY to have the group hit target together, like an MA mission? Well, if thats so, then tell me again how the AvA is supposed to be different from a little MA?
I am not a newbie or an idiot, and I know the limits of the Spit V...which I like as a perk farmer in the MA environment. I've never asked for the XVI - or any other plane -- to get perked. I didnt go for the SPit as an Uber plane, I chose it because I saw zekes and didnt want to do a pure BnZ attack against them. The alternative -- the P40 -- would have had a much harder time than the Spit co-E.
When I got there my squaddies were already up in Allied planes. I have no idea how the selection was made, but Daddog specifically asked us to stay on the same team. When I got frustrated, I didnt make a major whine, I didnt even say anything to my squaddies... I just left.
Most AvA regulars are really good pilots. The Mongrels have some good sticks, but a lot of us are just guys having fun. It seems to me that when the announced guests were getting reamed, it would have been good manners to lighten up, or offer a side switch. Instead, I saw 4 axis planes chasing Sondog on the deck, and 3 more after another guy.
Lastly, my times in the AvA were not a couple hours once or twice. I really tried to get interested, to make it work, because I'd heard that it was a great place to get good fights. Well, the last time I tried I found these junior squads starting up, with lots of new guys who found they could stay alive in the AvA better than the MA. COurse, they did this through incessant ganging running and vulching. The regulars said, come thursday nights, thats when you 'll get the highest numbers and less of the other stuff. I did that for a while, and had some fun -- but lots of other times I'd get repeatedly hammered from disadvantage. Around the time Filth ran his channel bombing missions, I came in and found that I was outnumbered, out-alted, and then even ganged on climbout near base. Totally zero fun, and the attackers had all the "get the kill" focus in the MA. After a couple honest to goodness vulches from vets who should have known better, I figured that at least in the MA I can CHOOSE to go elsewhere if things arent even. In the CT, theres only one place to find a fight.
I didnt have fun Friday, but some guys clearly did. (After I left...I wonder if that has a deeper meaning....) If the AvA experience has improved from the time of the name change, I'll give it a try again.
When do most of the regulars go now?
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Eagler thought that he was the target, I suggested it was not him. Out of curiosity, how is that offensive? Is it not a true statement?
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Again, sorry for the text wall. Didnt mean to go off on a rampage, and not trying to stir up trouble. I got really frustrated Friday, and then got annoyed when whichever Dog was HO'ing got the "we look down on you" treatment here.
I respect you guys -- you're good at fighting, and I know you like the arena.
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it is clear that you meant it as a dig at either myself or at JG54 as you usually do. all that without knowing the particulars of the event simaril was describing or whether he and I were even on at the same time. the subject statement is proforma behavior for you so it comes as no surprise to me. but your intent as always is to be offensive so just buck up and be offensive and stop skirting and dodging, step up to plate and swing son, swing.
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well sil take this opportunity and tell me how you would want me to play.
I mean I'm the plane with the worst performance on the axis side, I seldom go above 5k and I look for the biggest flock of red I can find, doing so alone.
JG54 no longer flies as a squad, we don't do squad ops. we basically go out lone wolf and hunt, occassionally clearing each other's sixes. we are chatting on vox about anything and everything under the sun, sometimes about our tactical situation but just as often as not about RL stuff with a "hey wildesau check the spitttard" comment if the need be.
there seems to be a misconception about how we play. let me offer this insight, some of our members are so good that you think you have four guys on you hitting you from all points of the compass when in reality it's just N7.
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Originally posted by Simaril
Again, sorry for the text wall. Didn't mean to go off on a rampage, and not trying to stir up trouble. I got really frustrated Friday, and then got annoyed when whichever Dog was HO'ing got the "we look down on you" treatment here.
It's no problem, sir. Your frustration is obvious. Nor am I trying to stir up trouble. I know you are not a noob, nor an idiot. To be honest, I wasn't paying attention to who leveled the complaint, just the complaint itself, which seemed to me to be unfounded in my experience.* Unfortunately I have had less and less time in the game let alone the AvA lately, so if you have been flying it a while this go-round, sorry I haven't seen you. If I saw you in the AvA before, then my memory fails me -- then again, I can't remember what I had for dinner (did I have dinner? :huh ). So I apologize if it seemed I was trying to stir you up - wasn't meant that way.
*not a guarantee -- your experience may vary.
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Originally posted by storch
it is clear that you meant it as a dig at either myself or at JG54 as you usually do. all that without knowing the particulars of the event simaril was describing or whether he and I were even on at the same time. the subject statement is proforma behavior for you so it comes as no surprise to me. but your intent as always is to be offensive so just buck up and be offensive and stop skirting and dodging, step up to plate and swing son, swing.
No thanks, if you dont mind I will just sit back and watch you PNG yourself again. :aok
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there you go again being offensive yet timid. be bold boy, bold. it's so ... truman capotish.
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man, I wish I filmed or took a screen shot. Maybe then you'd believe Sim when he said there were, at times, 4 or more chasing one Mongrel. I've got nothing against that, if I get myself into a 1 v 4 (or 2 v 7-8, as Kuhn can attest to if he remembers that particular sortie, and I did bag one of the 7-8 before I got creamed), then it's my own fault. I don't expect 2 or 3 of those 4 guys behind me to peel off and allow me to fight 1 v 1 or 1 v 2. Really, why should they disengage? The longer that 1 guy stays up, the more time his buddies have to come and even the odds out.
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nifty, I believe you and sim. one should be able to expect a 1v1 to be allowed to play itself out in the AvA. it used to be the unwritten rule with very few exceptions. what you described being ganged, the same thing happens to me and everyone else just about every time one plays.
sunday I logged on around 1500 EST, there were five players on. I upped a Ki61 and went to engage a higher spit right off of the runway. after about three blown passes by this player his squadmate drops in from the akakosphere to nail me. I typed a few whines and logged off. I haven't logged back on to the AvA and probably won't again until they end this planeset which I dislike.
what I saw on saturday night when I logged on around 2400 EST was an even field of about six players per side. most of the fights were on the deck and most of the allied players were in spitfires. nothing new there. since the fights were between very close bases it was a conveyor belt of reuppings on both teams. the guys flying zekes were pretty much scolded by oldman for doing so. I don't know what you guys expected but I suspect it's the same thing I hope to see when I'm in the AvA but something I haven't seen since early in AH1, namely sportsmanlike conduct on the part of all players.
the lack thereof in this arena is one of the things that frustrates me to no end. sadly I have given up the notion that it exists. I have come to see things from another perspective, the AvA is indeed a mini and sucky MA. we the players have made it so. it doesn't matter that I ask if a player needs help prior to entering a fight, the same courtesy is seldomly extended to me. gone are the days when two players playing out a chance encounter and others seeing it for what it is on both sides steered clear and allowed the chips to fall where they may. henceforth if the planeset is appealing to me I'll play the AvA if not then I'll eschew it for the MA.
the fewer the players in the AvA the better the fight. the best fights are when there is only one other guy on. that you cannot find in the MA at any time and the DA lacks the spontinaity that I value most.
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Originally posted by Simaril
So, Storch, yeah I think the Ki (used as an energy plane) would be the best plane in the set because it could control engagement/ disengagement at will. The Tony is a goner against a Spit. The only problem for the allies is that the 2nd best Axis plane could outrun and outturn them both....
My own sense is that the Zeke is the best plane in the set, followed fairly closely by the Spit, which is close in maneuverability and has better guns. The P40 v Tony is really a great fight, the planes are closely matched (with, as you say, the slight edge going to the Tony). These fights almost always go to the better pilot. On balance, though, your squad ought to have taken the Axis side, which holds an overall advantage. By the time I logged on your people had already selected Allies, though. Quite often this is the "trickle in" effect - the first squad members to show up pick a side, for whatever reason (the lure of the Spit?) and others join the same side as they show up.
E25280: The numebrs I was talking about were at the point of contact, not in the arena. And what I saw was not the aftermath of a 3v3. It was single allied planes coming in towards the axis base, and getting attacked by 2-3 guys at once -- instead of the extra guys going on to engage the next con. It was ganging pure and simple.
I fear that I saw the same thing, and mentioned it to Duke when he logged on. I've thought about it for the past few days, and it seems to me that the ganging resulted from a combination of the unusually close bases and a bad case of "he did it first" syndrome.
Even in the AvA we don't usually have opposing bases as close together as they were on Friday night. By the time you were gear-up, you were almost halfway to the enemy base, and, since the other guys were in the same boat, we were meeting each other almost immediately and at low altitude - the conveyor belt Storch talks about below. It's natural enough to turn into the red plane that's almost on top of you.
The ugly part was the tit-for-tat undercurrent I sensed. Three planes approaching you on the deck sure look like a 3 v 1, but those three planes might be looking at you and the two guys upping from the base right behind you. Regardless, you will think you were ganged, and will be more inclined to gang others ("If that's the way these guys wanna play, well FINE!"). One way or the other, there was a certain killer madness going on Friday night. It didn't help things any when a couple of folks started vulching, probably out of ignorance, possibly out of frustration.
Most AvA regulars are really good pilots. The Mongrels have some good sticks, but a lot of us are just guys having fun. It seems to me that when the announced guests were getting reamed, it would have been good manners to lighten up, or offer a side switch. Instead, I saw 4 axis planes chasing Sondog on the deck, and 3 more after another guy.
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....er....I did suggest a side switch, could well be that you missed it in all the madness. While it would seem a daunting prospect, it actually wouldn't have been so tough, I think. Just tell your people to start switching as soon as the die, pretty soon it will all be turned around as others switch to even out the sides. Or simply say, "Hey, OK if we tried to fly as an Axis squad for awhile?" That's one of the unique things the AvA offers, is the ability to be a historical squad against historical opponents. We'll have to remember this for the next time.
Sondog did very well, it seemed to me. And remember that a 3v3 furball can rapidly become a 3v1 gang if there a couple of quick kills.
I didnt have fun Friday, but some guys clearly did. (After I left...I wonder if that has a deeper meaning....) If the AvA experience has improved from the time of the name change, I'll give it a try again.
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That's good to hear! Actually, maybe 20 or 30 minutes after you left the Allies seemed to have gotten things in hand, upping from further back, avoiding turnfights, sticking together - tactics which reflected real-world experience against the Japanese (as did the slaughter of the Spit 5s in traditional dogfighting, btw!). Saw some good P-40 flying there, too (including Nifty, who had a number of Oldman scalps tied to his radio antenna).
When do most of the regulars go now?
Prime time is usually from about 9 to 11:30 pm, eastern time, on weeknights, ending later on weekends.
- oldman
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Thanks Oldman...
I bopped in last night for an hour or so, and absolutely find there's a much higher fight-to-flight time ratio in AvA than anywhere else.
It's also humbling to realise that I hadnt improved as much this year as I thought I had.....:lol
There are a lot of good sticks around, and I'll learn a lot flying against them.
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I admit I vulched a field *flogs self with wet noodle.
I got on late with no clue of what was going on and a new throttle that was confusing me. I wouldn't mind a few more squad nights in there as the fightertown map has whetted my appetite for some good old fashioned 1 v 1 flying. I'm nowhere near the pilot of you older guys but I'm learning constantly.
I'll try to be in more often
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Boy, it sounds like I've been missing out on alot of fun:(
I've been so busy lately, I can only up one or two sorties in the am.
Can't wait to get back in the mix in the prime time :t
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Wow… don’t peek in here for a couple days and this thread is still going. :)
Oldman, Storch, thanks for the comments. Eagler no worries. I did not take your comments negatively.
I was sorry to hear my squadies (or some of them) had a frustrating time. Wish I could have been there. The AVA is my choice of places to fly. I will take it over the MA any day of the week, but since most of my squad enjoys the MA I prefer to fly with them. Ya Dicho you don’t want to vulch in the AVA. One of the first things I told sondog when he was flying in there. :) He seems to enjoy it more than the MA also, which surprises me when ever I think about it. Simaril it is full of excellent sticks. If we are ever in the MA and you want to move to the AVA speak up. I will go with you guys. :) I don’t agree with a lot of what these guys say, but nor do they with me. I stay out of the garbage tossed on 200 and roll my eyes that fights that go on, but still enjoy flying in there. You can learn a lot and most will take the time out to help you out. I really enjoy going against storch in my P38 and he in the 109. It is rare, but always a learning experience for me. So many good sticks…:)
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My apologies to the regs in AVA for the vulch attempts..
Just fill me in on the what's cool whats not and I'm game.. I had a shot at some dude landing a wounded bird tonight and let him go. Got my tail handed to me all over the place in FT and AVA but I attribute that to the strange phenomenon that when I rock climb before I fly I fly HORRIBLY..
She devils says it's because I spend two hours teaching my muscles to pull HARD and then I try to be gentle. Dunno.. she may be on to something.
Honestly I'd prefer off Squad nights either AVA or Dueling..
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daddog, initially I was taken aback by some of the commentary because it seemed to me the mongrels were giving as good as they got, sondog is an absolute terror I didn't score on him or he on me but every time I saw a spectacular kill by the allies, when the I asked "who killed you"? the answer was sondog. the only reason I stopped in on friday was because you guys were going to be on, I knew there would be fights. I guess it goes to show that if everyone is playing to the best of one's ability there is plenty of frustration to go around. this game reminds me of playing golf way too much.
:D
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me too Storch..
In another post a month or so ago I compared it to golf. Are you really playing against the other guy or are you playing against your own skill set?
Same as golf.. essentially it's 95% menta 2% physical and 3% psychological IMHO.
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But golf is stupid.:huh
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just as in golf I'm playing against myself but also against other players, just as in golf I don't play "mulligan", just as in golf......oh no I didn't just toss another damn putter into the water hazard did I? and yet .... it's fun in a frustrating sort of way. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
:D
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oh like this is high brow entertainment
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Originally posted by storch
oh like this is high brow entertainment
It beats "Dancing With the Stars".
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
... I spend two hours teaching my muscles to pull HARD and then I try to be gentle...
What ya pullin'?
:p
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Originally posted by KONG1
What ya pullin'?
:p
LOL!
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LOL!
I sure miss you guys!
I'm hoping to be back soon. I was up in the MA a bit over the weekend (one of the rare weekends I get this time of year), but didn't see any one in the AVA at the times i was up.:(
But anyway..a heads up. Jg boys, you all better be wearing steel leiderhosen in October! Papa's coming home!
;)
Cheers all,
RTR
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Originally posted by KONG1
What ya pullin'?
:p
MEANIE!!!! :cry
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Originally posted by Slash27
It beats "Dancing With the Stars".
setting your toes on fire while chewing broken glass does too ;)