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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Kuhn on September 09, 2006, 01:13:29 PM
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Has any one had this happen?
I am flying around a base, just running CAP, and I find an enemy fighter. We dogfight for awhile and I notice Im low on fuel, so I disengage and run for the nearest air feild. All the while this guy is chasing me to shoot me down when I try to land. Now I am really bummed becuase the last time it happened i was in a 262 and so was he. I am sure my opponent did not make it back to base. I lost my ride just so he could shoot me down on aproach! I let him know that I thought that was not conduct conducive to a pilot with any honor. (I wish I had put it that way to him).
Now I myself have not done this because I dont care to.
SO what do you all think?
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I would have chased you all the way back, vulched you on landing and tried to date your sister afterwards.
Seriously kuhn, from hios perspective, you were running. (and well, you really were).
Cheers,
RTR
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Kuhn,
I'd have chased you. I see your perspective and do not disagree with you but if it's red it's dead in this game.
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dont blame other people for your failure to monitor your fuel situation. I would have chased you as well. Sometimes you can try to call out your situation on 200 but it will usually do you no good. You should always be checking your fuel levels.
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Originally posted by RTR
I would have chased you all the way back, vulched you on landing and tried to date your sister afterwards.
In addition to that, I would have kicked your dog/cat/fish and taken all the beer in your fridge.
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Would you do it if you could not RTB beacause your fuel was low too?
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Originally posted by Kuhn
Has any one had this happen?
I am flying around a base, just running CAP, and I find an enemy fighter. We dogfight for awhile and I notice Im low on fuel, so I disengage and run for the nearest air feild. All the while this guy is chasing me to shoot me down when I try to land. Now I am really bummed becuase the last time it happened i was in a 262 and so was he. I am sure my opponent did not make it back to base. I lost my ride just so he could shoot me down on aproach! I let him know that I thought that was not conduct conducive to a pilot with any honor. (I wish I had put it that way to him).
Now I myself have not done this because I dont care to.
SO what do you all think?
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Well if I knew you were from Minnesota at the time I was chasing you down, I would let you go. (Seeing how I am originally from there myself). But in all honesty, you are fair game and in the real world one less plane and pilot in any circumstance of combat is a victory.
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Its not the chase and down Im debating. If you both die or ditch, whats the point?
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You were fully intent on getting your kill and then because you ran low of fuel you think the combat should just stop?
Your opponent then has the advantage and you feel he should break off his attack out of honor?
Honor in air combat disappeared in 1915.
Silly goose. Wake up! It's the 1940's!
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GAWD you guys are harsh!:D
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me, I would have fought to the death, his or mine.
Well I guess you did, but you put a long run in between the fight and death part :D
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Originally posted by Blooz
You were fully intent on getting your kill and then because you ran low of fuel you think the combat should just stop?
Your opponent then has the advantage and you feel he should break off his attack out of honor?
Honor in air combat disappeared in 1915.
Silly goose. Wake up! It's the 1940's!
Honor is not gone and I wont believe it is!!!!
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Just because you broke off your attack, for whatever reason, doesn't mean the other fellow will break off his. If I could catch you I would have shot you down also.
If you are out of fuel or ammo your adversary now has the advantage and he will try to capitalize on it.
I usually can't catch a runner as I don't fly the go fast planes much, so you would have probably been safe if it had been me. :D
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Originally posted by Kuhn
Its not the chase and down Im debating. If you both die or ditch, whats the point?
Please read this part when responding.
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I would have PMed you and reinvented your family tree in text, made funny faces, announced it on 200 that you were a runboy, vulched you, er gave a twenty minute speech on Why I R teh macho........................ .........................
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The most likely scenario....................I would have lawn darted trying to vulch you. In that case I would have logged as quickly as possible to avoid you PMing me and reinventing my family tree in text, making funny faces, announcing on 200 that I was Lawn dart boy, or giving me a twnety minute speech on Why U R
teh macho.
:D
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what all those guys said plus I would taunt you on 200 until I tired of it. it's just a cartoon plane, you get another free one as soon as you die.
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the actual honour in this situation would not be to let you go, but for YOU to take the loss graciously. it's your fault, you died, and deserved to, the honour that is missing from this scene is your failure to accept that you got killed.
just thought i'd point that out. b*tching on the BBS about someone killing you in a combat sim, then comlaining about honour is well, past ironic or hippocritical :aok
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Originally posted by Kuhn
I am sure my opponent did not make it back to base.
You´re really sure? There are a few players who discovered the secrets of smart fuel management. Especially the 262 is able to vastly extend its airborne duration & range by proper throttle control. I would not be surprised if your enemy did reach a friendly base.
And the other guys are right. Fuel management, SA, ACMs are all part of air combat. Don´t wtch your 6: you will get shot down. Run out of fuel: You will get shot down. Don´t maneuver good: You will get shot down.
You did not manage to kill your enemy in time, so you have to pay the price. This is not a duel arena. Red Icons are meant to kill you.
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Dont take this to seriously poeple! Im just asking for opinions. Not fault or blame. Mr. Biggles seems to have a tender spot about this. WELL DO YOU Mr. Biggles?
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Originally posted by storch
what all those guys said plus I would taunt you on 200 until I tired of it. it's just a cartoon plane, you get another free one as soon as you die.
I know you would:D
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Originally posted by Lusche
You´re really sure? There are a few players who discovered the secrets of smart fuel management. Especially the 262 is able to vastly extend its airborne duration & range by proper throttle control. I would not be surprised if your enemy did reach a friendly base.
Plus with the 262, altitude means everything. If you were running on the deck at all while he was a couple thousand feed above you, (assuming equal fuel states) he could easily have saved several minues of fuel.
Anyways, it was the same reaction that got the Richthofen and many other good pilots killed. So it's one of those things you have to chalk up to human nature.
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Originally posted by Kuhn
Its not the chase and down Im debating. If you both die or ditch, whats the point?
Well, I am not the one to ask since I dont care if I RTB or not. I'd not think twice about chasing someone all the way back to their base LONG after I was not going to have the fuel to RTB if there was even a remote chance I might kill them.
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Lets not get off the question im asking. If you could not RTB just to get the kill would you do it? Remember I'm just asking! Don't play the ***** card with me!!!:D
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Originally posted by Grits
Well, I am not the one to ask since I dont care if I RTB or not. I'd not think twice about chasing someone all the way back to their base LONG after I was not going to have the fuel to RTB if there was even a remote chance I might kill them.
That's the kinda answer I'm looking for. Short and sweet. ;)
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Just my two cents worth, but if you weren't watching your fuel gauge, what makes you think he was? He might have got you landing then started to fly back to his base when things got really quiet in the cockpit. That is until the swearing started. :rofl
By the way, speaking for myself and myself alone, when I get a call that someone I am in combat with is bingo ammo or fuel, I have and do salute and watch them egress the area. But if they turn back, all bets are off. That is just what I do. Don't really care for a hollow victory. Letting them go just means I didn't die this time either. But the person that is able to land might just extend that courtesy to me someday. But if you had vulched me 10 times on the runway, I would have chased you into hells heart to prevent you from landing them. :t
But from the realistic point of view, you died because you were careless. If he died, it was because he was careless. I would be willing to bet he didn't know his fuel status either.
LTARsqrl <>
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Originally posted by Kuhn
SO what do you all think?
I think you should stick to AvA. In the MA you're fooling yourself to expect that someone would say "go ahead and see if you can land it."
- oldman
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Originally posted by Kuhn
Dont take this to seriously poeple! Im just asking for opinions. Not fault or blame. Mr. Biggles seems to have a tender spot about this. WELL DO YOU Mr. Biggles?
actually i'm laughing at how you can come on here complaining about lack of honour, when infact you're the one without it. far from tender, i'm actually having a good laugh at this:lol
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I agree with Biggles.
Your original question also took into account your assumptions of the other pilots fuel... so others answer with the same non chalance. Then you repost minimizing your question an removing all the fluff. Would I follow you to your base if I would run out of fuel... well... to an extent I would, not knowing you were running to base.. at first I'd think you were running because you realized you have met up with a far better pilot. Of course while watching my fuel, dar.... you know, basic situational awareness. Once I noted my fuel situation was not conducive of a full turn n burn fight I would have broke off any attempt at engagement to fight another day... of course I would leave enough fuel for any possible unplanned engagement at my home field should that possibly take place.
Que Sera Sera
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Oldmans got it right. In the AVA I might let you go. (repeat ..might) But..in the AVA it is much easier to let your opponent know you are bingo fuel / ammo etc.
In the MA...nope. Not on your life. Hope you have enough beer for me and Grits though:D
cheers,
RTR
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Its funny i had a sceniro alittle similar today, a 262 was picking on one of my guys along with another f4u, my guy killed off the f4u so i jumped on the 262, he saw me too late and started to dive, i took out one of his engines and had him leaking gas all over. starts to extend, i checked the map and started goin to the nearest con base, get there and what do i see a 262 startin aproach, i came he tryed to evade and boom i rip a wing. Dude its a 262 and this guy was attackin my friendly bombers all day, i couldnt let him land.
But if i looked down at the guage knew i couldnt get back i prob wouldnt have went.
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Originally posted by Kuhn
Please read this part when responding.
I might not have however a lot of people don't pay attention to their fuel states for whatever reason. I've run out of fuel before after a long sortie. Landed more than I didn't but when you get info overload it's something thats easy to miss
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lol. no offense, but like others, the honor is in fighting.
it must be about that time to discuss the honor of shooting down cartoon chutes as well, that is probably my all time favorite topic:)
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Originally posted by Kuhn
Im just asking for opinions.
Expect nothing from anyone in red. When some one does do something "honorable", you'll be pleasantly surprised.
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when i posted this thread i expected various responses.It is interesting how some take it as complaining. I dont want anamosity.I want honest answers. It seems to me honesty includes inflamitory remarks from some, which I can gladly counter or choose to ignore. To the ones that think im complaining I aint sorry for nuttin. To those who answer with out the emotional intonations, I say thank you for telling me what you think. This tells me alot about who I am dealing with.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
I think you should stick to AvA. In the MA you're fooling yourself to expect that someone would say "go ahead and see if you can land it."
- oldman
I think your too right Oldman.
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Shoulda turned & HOed him.
-MI-
;) ;)
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Originally posted by Kuhn
when i posted this thread i expected various responses.It is interesting how some take it as complaining. I dont want anamosity.I want honest answers. It seems to me honesty includes inflamitory remarks from some, which I can gladly counter or choose to ignore. To the ones that think im complaining I aint sorry for nuttin. To those who answer with out the emotional intonations, I say thank you for telling me what you think. This tells me alot about who I am dealing with.
roger that :aok
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What happened prior to the rtb would have been what influenced my decision, if we had been in an extended fight both trying for the upper hand ,then eventually you turned and stated that you were bingo in all honesty I would probably have wished you well and found another fight. This I have done quite a few times.
On the other hand if it had been a one pass affair and you had decided to run for home, if the aircraft I was flying had the capability I would have chased you down for all I was worth.
As for the "but you won't be able to rtb" option, a little hint, a lot of people here are not that worried about rtb'ing it's the fight not the "glory" of landing kills that makes it fun.
So all this boils down to is circumstances and consequences.
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Originally posted by Kuhn
Lets not get off the question im asking. If you could not RTB just to get the kill would you do it? Remember I'm just asking! Don't play the ***** card with me!!!:D
Yes.
Short enough?
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Going to say this again, just to get the point across,
Countless pilots, including some of the worlds greatest aces, have DIED because they wanted to get that kill, despite knowing better. Complaining that it happens in AH is pretty pointless when men have lost their lives over the exact same thing.
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Now, I would stay back, were I in a 262. Not because I thought you were being honorable, but because I didnt want to run out of fuel. Were I in a free plane, I would chase you to within the ack, then, if you made it to final aproach, I would let you go. (Ive been vulched on landing too many times to do it myself.)
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any 262 thats running home and low on fuel i would shoot every time.
Originally posted by Kuhn
Would you do it if you could not RTB beacause your fuel was low too?
hell yes. :)
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I'll chase someone across the map if Im latched onto them. The chase is part of the fun. I'd rather chase a guy and kill him and run out of fuel, than rtb, even if I lose points.
I try to spend time in transit as little as possible.
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Originally posted by Kuhn
when i posted this thread i expected various responses.It is interesting how some take it as complaining. I dont want anamosity.I want honest answers. It seems to me honesty includes inflamitory remarks from some, which I can gladly counter or choose to ignore. To the ones that think im complaining I aint sorry for nuttin. To those who answer with out the emotional intonations, I say thank you for telling me what you think. This tells me alot about who I am dealing with.
are you kiddig me? show me the posts with anamostiy. we gave you honest answears.
are you asking us if it's okay for someone else to shoot you down? tell me your not going to sit there and ask for honest answers, and then presume people are posting with "inflamitory" remarks and emotional "connotations" (i believe). Then to top it all off, you say " this tells me alot about who i am dealing with." anyone see the irony? lol.
again, if you don't want to hear different view points, then don't ask for it. you asked, "what do you all think," so we replied. and you assume we are all emotional.
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Originally posted by pluck
are you kiddig me? show me the posts with anamostiy. we gave you honest answears.
are you asking us if it's okay for someone else to shoot you down? tell me your not going to sit there and ask for honest answers, and then presume people are posting with "inflamitory" remarks and emotional "connotations" (i believe). Then to top it all off, you say " this tells me alot about who i am dealing with." anyone see the irony? lol.
again, if you don't want to hear different view points, then don't ask for it. you asked, "what do you all think," so we replied. and you assume we are all emotional.
You gave an answer with no emotion the first time. Why are you so worked up now?
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Originally posted by MIShill
Shoulda turned & HOed him.
-MI-
;) ;)
I like that one:aok
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
any 262 thats running home and low on fuel i would shoot every time.
hell yes. :)
See pluck? give your answer thats all.
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Originally posted by SmokinSS
Yes.
Short enough?
BIG YES. Thank You
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Originally posted by Slash27
Expect nothing from anyone in red. When some one does do something "honorable", you'll be pleasantly surprised.
:aok
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Do the real complaners understand now?
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What do you think?
As a rule i do not think. Especially not in the MA.
Would I have chased you? Yes, i probably wouldve climbed after you. By the time you got home and landed i might have made it halfway there and meet you when you are just about to run out of fuel again.
As for my fuel status: Unless i forgot to change fuel from DA or had to fly 3 sectors previously fuel wouldnt be an issue.
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Originally posted by RTR
I would have chased you all the way back, vulched you on landing and tried to date your sister afterwards.
Seriously kuhn, from hios perspective, you were running. (and well, you really were).
Cheers,
RTR
Not just his sister... I would have taken his dog too!
(http://xf6.xanga.com/53dc1ae0d113144591560/b4354126.jpg)
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not worked up, maybe a little boozed up:).
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Originally posted by Sketch
Not just his sister... I would have taken his dog too!
(http://xf6.xanga.com/53dc1ae0d113144591560/b4354126.jpg)
Date my sister. Take my family. please dont take my doggie.
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I understand you want answers within your limited rules.... which you failed to state. Guess it makes more sense to only read threads from folks who really want answers to their wholly stated question.
Then of course you fly a 262 so who knows what you want......:lol
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Kuhn
Many, or even most in the MA up their ride with no thought beyond watching something blow up at any cost, because there is no cost to them to ho/collide/die/ditch/lose a plane etc etc. Don't worry about the "gamey" ones in the game... that's all they are, that's all they'll ever be. Continue to learn to fly smart and learn from your mistakes. They gamey's most likely won't ever bother to show up in CT when it's released (hopefully). Just wait patiently HTC to get CT out and "some" of us will hopefully be able to enjoy something beyond Quake-with-wings.
Tumor
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Originally posted by Kuhn
Lets not get off the question im asking. If you could not RTB just to get the kill would you do it?
Yes!
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It's fun to be the chase-er once in awhile instead of the usual chase-ee, so Yes, I'd come after you and hike back to my base.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
I would have PMed you and reinvented your family tree in text, made funny faces, announced it on 200 that you were a runboy, vulched you, er gave a twenty minute speech on Why I R teh macho........................ .........................
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The most likely scenario....................I would have lawn darted trying to vulch you. In that case I would have logged as quickly as possible to avoid you PMing me and reinventing my family tree in text, making funny faces, announcing on 200 that I was Lawn dart boy, or giving me a twnety minute speech on Why U R
teh macho.
:D
Then he would buy you these shorts
http://tinyurl.com/pzdtz
Newbs
:aok
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I must say that I have enjoyed reading your responses. I have gained the knowledge that it is best to keep your sense of humor while in the MA. At times though it tough to tell myself that it is just a simulation.
Thank you for your thoughts,advice and answers:)
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imop,
vulching a landing plane,doesn't matter if is P40 or 262, that is not a threat anymore, is the cheapest act in MA , shows a weak,coward, honourless personality
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Originally posted by ghi
imop,
vulching a landing plane,doesn't matter if is P40 or 262, that is not a threat anymore, is the cheapest act in MA , shows a weak,coward, honourless personality
I agree. But Oh well wattaya do.
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reup and cap him :D
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Kuhn, I would not have vulched u on landing, epically in a 262. I guess I think AH is a friendly game more than a war. Kind of like when we were kids and played football in the street. I think its more fun to be friendly and considerate (even to the enemy). I guess I was taught when I was little, "Its not if u win or lose, its how u play the game". I have become quite fond of some of you all reading the BB and have learned a lot from u all as well. I ain't going to vulch anybody. I say go ahead and land your kills and your 262. Makes me happy to see u do so.
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Originally posted by ghi
imop,
vulching a landing plane,doesn't matter if is P40 or 262, that is not a threat anymore, is the cheapest act in MA , shows a weak,coward, honourless personality
So what would you call the time you killed me 3/4 of the way back to my base in an F4F-4 with no ammo, no rudder and one aileron missing? By your definition I was not a threat except for the 7 Bish scalps I was taking home to land.
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Originally posted by Grits
So what would you call the time you killed me 3/4 of the way back to my base in an F4F-4 with no ammo, no rudder and one aileron missing? By your definition I was not a threat except for the 7 Bish scalps I was taking home to land.
You were returning to base, not landing,
3/4 way to you base? what's the way? 1 sector ? , doesn't mean you were on final slow,aproching the runway to land, honestly i would have not engage ,
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hmmmmm KUHN........... how do u pronounce that?
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First of all Kuhn, you can't limit folks. You post on the forums you'll get responses. If you only want 1 type of response -- well then maybe posting on an open forum isn't the right way to go.
Secondly, You need to check your gas before you enter any fight. If you don't have enough, bug out. If you say you've got enough then dedicate all of it to the current fight. Later fights don't matter. Getting home isn't an issue (you can throttle WAY back to cruise home if you need to). Burn up every last gallon to finish the fight. Because if you can't get away, you'd better kill the SOB as fast as you can.
Also when in a 262 don't land at a front line base unless you're desperate. Go 1-2 sectors in and land there. Otherwise you're asking to get vulched.
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Originally posted by ghi
You were returning to base, not landing,
3/4 way to you base? what's the way? 1 sector ? , doesn't mean you were on final slow,aproching the runway to land, honestly i would have not engage ,
So is it distance or threat? What makes it OK or not OK?
The reason the guy followed him home to vulch him is the same reason you passed other countrymen of mine to kill me, that guy KNEW who it was and didnt want him to land. I dont blame you, I would have done exactly the same thing you did, I think its a little hypocritical to say what you did is different, it wasnt.
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I had a friend in highschool with that last name, he pronounced it "coon"
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Originally posted by ghi
You were returning to base, not landing,
3/4 way to you base? what's the way? 1 sector ? , doesn't mean you were on final slow,aproching the runway to land, honestly i would have not engage ,
3/4 of the way to base, throttled back to save gas, slowly loosing altitude, no ammo.....could be concidered a long final.
Same effect. Killing an aircraft that can't fight back. Only difference is weather he had the ack to cover him. :t
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I would
him and move on.
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Originally posted by storch
I had a friend in highschool with that last name, he pronounced it "coon"
"coon" isn't there somethin wrong with that word. I've heard of coon lake
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Originally posted by ghi
imop,
vulching a landing plane,doesn't matter if is P40 or 262, that is not a threat anymore, is the cheapest act in MA , shows a weak,coward, honourless personality
Not too sure I'd equate that to real ife cowardice. Way too many variables can come in to play from sortie to sortie to try and define certain actions as something, and only that certain something. At the end of the day does it really matter?
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wow gee.... guess I am the only one that every did a flyby on someone landing, only to have them vere off and shoot me then land with an extra kill.
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Well you can't expect someone to let you go after you abused him. I wouldn't jump a landing wounded plane that I wasn't engaged with. But if you started a fight better be able to finish it, or have a plan for a way out if you lose the advantage.
And answer to your question: Yes, I would chase you down. It became personal. You tried to kill me, I'll do the same.
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Yip, I would have hunted you down to the end. When you loose the advantage like that, I agree with the ho guys.
Little history note, a lot of documented 262 kills were shot down on takoff or landing. Only time you could catch them.