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Title: Name that Round!
Post by: eskimo2 on September 10, 2006, 09:26:18 AM

I bought some cheap old ammo at a garage sale yesterday.  The guy threw in a 5 round clip that I was inquisitive about; he didn’t know what it was.  I was wondering if it was AP.  When I got home I held a round against a magnet and it stuck well.  I also held the magnet to the 30-06 round; it also stuck.  Confused, I tested the magnet on other military ball ammo that I had and as expected it did not stick.  So I’m guessing that the 20 rounds of 30-06 that I bought are AP as well…  Is a magnet a good enough test?  In the picture below you can see the round next to a 30-06 military ball round (left).  The 06 brass reads: EW  43.  The questionable rounds read: Z11  K5  44.  Based on relative size, color and brass stamps, what the heck do you think the shorter rounds are?  

(http://hallbuzz.com/images/unlinked/bullet.jpg)

Title: Name that Round!
Post by: Nilsen on September 10, 2006, 09:47:48 AM

the one on the left kinda looks like what we used in our AG3 rifles.. 7,62mm

i could be waaaaay off


Viking would know better than me... he was in the cannon fodder service.

Title: Name that Round!
Post by: Widewing on September 10, 2006, 10:46:47 AM

7.92x57 Mauser. Steel core ammo was and is common.

My regards,

Widewing

Title: Name that Round!
Post by: eskimo2 on September 10, 2006, 11:09:13 AM

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Originally posted by Widewing
7.92x57 Mauser. Steel core ammo was and is common.

My regards,

Widewing

So are they AP?

Title: Name that Round!
Post by: MoeRon on September 10, 2006, 11:09:20 AM

looks like 8mm.  Could be .303,  be careful it's probably corrosive.  If it were AP the tips would be painted black.  If you want real expert advice send pic to the ODCMP forums, they'll know for sure.

Title: Name that Round!
Post by: Dago on September 10, 2006, 11:18:32 AM

K5 is Kynoch (I.C.I.), Kidderminster, UK (1944)

I suspect .303 British.   The Brits used things like 11Z to indicate component loads.

(VII Z on .303 British indicates Mark VII ball ammunition loaded with nitrocellulose powder.)

The 44 indicates made in 1944.

A lot of milsurp ammo sticks to a magnet, even non-AP loads.  Portugese 7.62 ball ammo sticks to a magnet.

A good place to check this stuff out is:

Headstamp Codes (http://www.cartridgecollectors.org/headstampcodes.htm)

Title: Name that Round!
Post by: Dago on September 10, 2006, 11:19:40 AM

double post

Title: Name that Round!
Post by: eskimo2 on September 10, 2006, 11:24:40 AM

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Originally posted by Widewing
7.92x57 Mauser. Steel core ammo was and is common.

My regards,

Widewing

Comparing the pixel width from the original full sized picture: If 30-06 (156 pixels) = 7.62, then the other round works out to (163 pixels) 7.96; pretty close to 7.92, like you said.

Title: Name that Round!
Post by: eskimo2 on September 10, 2006, 11:26:51 AM

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Originally posted by Dago
K5 is Kynoch (I.C.I.), Kidderminster, UK (1944)

I suspect .303 British.   The Brits used things like 11Z to indicate component loads.

(VII Z on .303 British indicates Mark VII ball ammunition loaded with nitrocellulose powder.)

The 44 indicates made in 1944.

A lot of milsurp ammo sticks to a magnet, even non-AP loads.  Portugese 7.62 ball ammo sticks to a magnet.

A good place to check this stuff out is:

Headstamp Codes (http://www.cartridgecollectors.org/headstampcodes.htm)

The guy I bought it from also thought it was 303, but I thought 303 has a wide rim at the base of the brass...

Title: Name that Round!
Post by: Dago on September 10, 2006, 11:31:27 AM

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Originally posted by eskimo2
The guy I bought it from also thought it was 303, but I thought 303 has a wide rim at the base of the brass...

Yeah, I think you are right, I think .303 does have a differant base IIRC.

Title: Name that Round!
Post by: eskimo2 on September 10, 2006, 11:32:55 AM

So if they put steel in it, is it semi AP?

Title: Name that Round!
Post by: TPIguy on September 10, 2006, 12:30:44 PM

Looks like turk 8mm, nickel washed steel jacketed.  I bought a bunch of it a couple years back, came on the same brass 5 round stripper clips. I think I paid about $.04 a round for it, but its junk.

I don't have any in front of me but based on the head stamp I belive those are from 1944. I think the batch I had was from '42.

Title: Name that Round!
Post by: Widewing on September 10, 2006, 03:50:57 PM

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Originally posted by Dago
K5 is Kynoch (I.C.I.), Kidderminster, UK (1944)

I suspect .303 British.   The Brits used things like 11Z to indicate component loads.
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This is not a .303 round as the .303 is rimmed and has a greater taper to the brass.

My regards

Widewing

Title: Name that Round!
Post by: Widewing on September 10, 2006, 03:59:47 PM

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Originally posted by TPIguy
Looks like turk 8mm, nickel washed steel jacketed.  I bought a bunch of it a couple years back, came on the same brass 5 round stripper clips. I think I paid about $.04 a round for it, but its junk.

I don't have any in front of me but based on the head stamp I belive those are from 1944. I think the batch I had was from '42.

Many manufacturers used nickel plated copper jackets (sometimes called coppronickel). Unfortunately, there were hundreds of manufactuers in about a dozen countries making 7.92mm ammo. I have about 40 rounds of Polish made 7.92mm ammo that uses this type of jacket finish. It dates to 1938.

(http://www.8mauser.org/1939/1939ss/sslaitoncn.jpg)

My regards,

Widewing

Title: Name that Round!
Post by: Widewing on September 10, 2006, 04:02:14 PM

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Originally posted by eskimo2
So if they put steel in it, is it semi AP?

Not always. AP rounds would be designated by a painted tip or band on the bullet. Your rounds look like standard ball ammo.

My regards,

Widewing