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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Eagler on February 22, 2001, 02:18:00 PM
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Think it should read "Boy of the Hour"
Another sad commentary of the status of our youth and thus our future (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
http://www.foxnews.com/foxlife/022101/eminem_side.sml (http://www.foxnews.com/foxlife/022101/eminem_side.sml)
Someone please explain to this old man why our non minority youth try to emulate the lowest common denominator of the minority youth in this country (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Is it just the latest form of rebellion?
Eagler
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Is it just the latest form of rebellion?
Rebellion is just one of many "Identity Crisis's" that youths experience. It covers the ages. In my time, bell-bottom, torn jeans, and home made tattoos were 'In', and its just another form of what one goes thru in the transition from puberty to Man(woman)hood.
The difference between now and, say 100 years ago (or any time frame you'd like to use) is that we,as a society, are more tolerant (not me, but I know of those who are) of such identity crisis's.
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Since when is bashing an alternative lifestyle something new?
If I remember correctly there were some really racist and anti-sematic guns 'n roses songs too...
But as far as eminem is concered, I like his music... especially his views on the pop music culture. Though I don't listen to the songs that the roadkill liberal media is always bsing about as being violent (kim, ammityville?), since they suck. I think that people are disecting his music too much, no one is forcing you to listen to it and if you do, you will notice that its not as bad as the media makes it out to be. When he sings those lyrics it doesn't mean hes going to do what hes saying, hes just speaking whats on his mind.
The main reason I like Emenim though, is because his music is passionate, as you can see this in him when hes performing.
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"First of all, I want to thank everybody who could look through the controversy and see the album for what it was — and also for what it isn't."
What?!? Look through the controversy? His whole career was created through marketing controversy. This is the same amazinhunk who popped pills during a performance in November and told the audience it was Ecstacy.
I never understand how this crap is considered "music". Performers that take an existing song/lick and simply create new lyrics to it (or simply rap and can't sing a tune) should not be considered musical artists. They are simply writers inspired by someone else's work.
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Originally posted by Eagler:
Someone please explain to this old man why our non minority youth try to emulate the lowest common denominator of the minority youth in this country (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Is it just the latest form of rebellion?
Eagler
They do this to piss off old men. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
When he sings those lyrics it doesn't mean hes going to do what hes saying, hes just speaking whats on his mind.
Sings? Man, I gotta get a new dictionary.
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I've never even heard of the guy but that's not saying much. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) My musical taste generally ends in the 80's. Not that their isn't some new stuff that I like. I never have liked rap. It was just starting to come in when I got out of high school. Even then their were VERY VERY few kids listening to it. (1983) But by the time my brother went to high school it was the rage. (1990) I never have understood it. I don't like the base only beat, the lyrics and songs all sound the same to me. (I sound like some parent from the 50's (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ) I guess I grew up in a different environment. Why the hell would someone want to glorify the rape and touchier of women in a song? I don't know, but I guess Jim Morrison did it in that one song about the Sun of Sam or some body and I like that song (I forget the name). The one difference is that song never actually comes out and tells you what it's really about. It's hidden. Like the fade out in the old movies just before the humping or killing started. It's the difference between a Hitchcock movie and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I think it's a bad thing to delve to deeply into subjects like that in a song that is meant to shock and enrage only. My mom was telling me that the new initiation to gangs is to cut off a woman's body part and bring it back. Could it be these songs that are driving this new kick? Sick sick f'in world.
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Here's the lyrics to his song "Kim": http://www.eminemworld.com/mmlp16.html (http://www.eminemworld.com/mmlp16.html)
If this guy wasn't white, there would be Congressional hearings about him. Is Elton John stupid or is he just craving attention? I can understand an unknown artist like Dido performing with him and letting him hijack one of her songs (read: naive Brit) but Elton John?
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Madonna said on Monday that she thinks that the things George W says are worse than this guy...heheh, I know a few on this board who would agree!
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i don't have anything meaningful to say about eminem and i cant back my position up with reason - that said - i just hate him because he symbolizes a type of person that i dont like him -you know the type:
they are white but they talk like they were raised in oakland. they walk around with floppy saggy clothes and a pissed off look on their face. silly sideways ballcap or some other clown gear - (i'm wondering when big red noses will become vogue) they have that fake limp. they have those painted up, loud, crass, constantly aggitated,jerry springer type girlfriends usually toting a couple of youngins around with em and doing strange chickenesque head movements and shaking their fingers at everything. they are from the suburbs but wish desperately that they were really from the ghetto because at least then they would have a sense of identity and a 'cause' to struggle against.
they dont do or think anything meaningful they are just sloppy and waste space-
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Originally posted by Mickey1992:
Here's the lyrics to his song "Kim": http://www.eminemworld.com/mmlp16.html (http://www.eminemworld.com/mmlp16.html)
If this guy wasn't white, there would be Congressional hearings about him. Is Elton John stupid or is he just craving attention? I can understand an unknown artist like Dido performing with him and letting him hijack one of her songs (read: naive Brit) but Elton John?
Great song .... talk about a moron. Amazing people (kids) buy this crap. Rap is for those who can't sing but love to scream. As I told my boys, time will tell. In 20 years you won't see these "musicians" anywhere around like you see the great bands and music of my era... Moody Blues, Bad Company, Aerosmith, to name a few.
Eagler
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The funny thing is that Eminem is getting all the bad press and all these other rappers that say far worse are considered OK.
Now don't get me wrong I don't listen to Eminem and I don't agree with what he is saying but come on....
MTV makes a big deal about hate crimes and how they should stop(which DUH! they should) but they keep playing videos from bands that do nothing BUT spew hate. It's OK to play videos of minorities spewing hate about whites but it's not OK for whites to spew hate about minorities or gays.
Fair Hunh?
MTV used to be fun to watch because they used to be creative in their videos but now all it shows is T/A and people hurting others.
Sorry! Hijacked the thread into a MTV bashing.
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I know what you mean, Eagler. Just the other day I asked my wife the question, "How in the hell did these crotch grabbing foul mouth punks get this stuff into mainstream acceptance?????"
She answered, "The kids like it." And she shrugged her shoulders.
I must agree with her sentiment since you can hear this stuff 24 hours a day on the radio, and you can't really shelter your kids from it. Our kids do have a cd or two that has the F word and some sexual inuendo in it - real ghetto crap, in my opinion. But our kids are doing well in school and they attend church on Sundays, and youth group on Wednsday nights, and they seem well adjusted. So I don't get all bent out of shape about it, or make an issue about it. But I don't like it.
We tell our kids if they want to dye their hair green, or have a Mohawk haircut, have at it. If they want to have a pierced belly button, or 6 holes in their ears, go right ahead, within reason. If they want to wear their clothes inside-out, or their shoes on the wrong feet, or wear black lipstick - enjoy! But we have zero tolerance for drugs and tattoos.
I'm trying really hard not to be an old fart, but it gets harder everyday (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Gunthr
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Menudo with bad language. Another passing fad.
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If I'm entitled to an opinion, I see him as a fabricated "artist" based on demographics. He is a gangsta wannabe... even had to go out and get himself arrested on weapons charges just so he could be "real". Pure posturing!
Wonder how many fans would tolerate him in their homes 15 minutes... speaking of which, I won't be sorry when his 15 minutes are up. My only concern is who will come next- gotta keep that shock value rising, you know. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Eminem is a piece of crap. As a "real" musician (ie one that plays guitar and really writes his own music) I am always shocked when a prefab , push start on the tape player so i can talk/rap over it, "musician" gets popular and gets called passionate. I am not an old guy and I still think his stuff is garbage. He does have a good sense of rhythm as do most rappers but thats about where his talent ends.
Even if he doesn;t mean he is going to go out and kill his wife the teenagers that are listening to it don't know that.
He can talk about talent when he learns to play an instrument.
Ok rant mod off (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ha! I remember the name of that Doors song. It's LA Women. (Referring to my earlier reply)
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ROFLMAO!!!!!! Fatty listens to Menudo! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Gunslayer:
I am not an old guy and I still think his stuff is garbage.
And I am an old guy and I havent got anything against it at all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I just read the lyrics and heard the song, and I find it interesting. The lyrics would do fine as a stand alone poem I think, and it works okay together with the music.
I really think that you guys should stop discussing why the kids love this guy and his music, and instead ask yourself why you yourself hate him so much. Yes he uses foul language, but so do the main characters in most movies that comes out and gets popular with a common audience. Yes the mentioned lyrics are very violent but so are must of the stuff that comes out from hollywood these days.
I wont say that the abillity to provoke is allways enuff to prove quality, but in this case I think it is. The song "kim" uses violence and foul language in an extremely "naked" and unbearable way, and I have no doubt that there is a very skilled artist behind it. As I see it its not Eminem that uses foul language or is violent, but the characters in his fictive universe that do. Remember guys that its allways easy to reject new kind of music, food fashion etc. the real challenge is to understand the new music.
If you can meet that challenge, you are not doing the same mistake that your parents did when you heard MoodyBlues, Beatles, or the mistake their parent did when your parents heard Glen Miller.
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GrinBird
[This message has been edited by GrinBird (edited 02-22-2001).]
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I followed that link, I won't even bother calling them "lyrics". Stupidest thing I've ever read passed off as "entertainment".
He's going to make a fortune on the media frenzy.
Also as for Elton john, apparently M&M is homophobic (or should I say, he likes to pretend he's homophobic to sell a lot of albumns <oops did I date myself> ) and Elton thought of the "duet" as a way to hold out an olive branch instead of building up walls (saw it on MTV so you know it's true). After all, Elton is, you know, whatever the PC word is for gay. Is that "alternative" or something these days? I can't remember. Where did I put my teeth?
Fury
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I would rather save my flaming bags of fecal matter, I would prefer to wing them at NSYNC.
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Anyone remember Vanilla Ice? Same crap different package. I mean, come on, the guy's name is Marshall Mathers III for christs sake. You'd have personal issues if you grew up with a name like that too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by LJK Raubvogel (edited 02-22-2001).]
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"Music" for morons. Madonna, Eminem, Elton John together don't have the IQ God gave a frying pan. Who cares.
BTW, who gives a crap if the "kids like it"(other than another kid)??
Trying to decide if i will stick a Miles, Coltrane, the "Doors", or Steely Dan CD in the player tonight.
Cabby
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Anyone remember Vanilla Ice? Same crap different package.
I was thinking the same thing. Vanilla Ice is currently a salesman in a skateboard shop.
AKDejaVu
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Nate, I'm putting my con pics together with captions as I type this. I will remember your scathing comments as I caption yours.
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Eminem huh... *caugh*. If you call that music you've never heard a dog yowl at 4am. And I bet the dog would win a sing-off.
*eyeballs CD rack* Let's see here...
Garth brooks
Guns 'n' Roses
Metallica
Aerosmith
Alice in Chains
Pearl Jam
Creed
AC\DC
Clint Black
Travis Tritt
Backdraft soundtrack
Interview with the Vampire soundtrack
Galdiator soundtrack
Beethoven's Greatest (burned CD)
The Tractors
Not a bad list of music if you ask me. This stuff you can sing to or just kick back and enjoy. Rap is something I gotta agree with cabby on...
"Music" for morons. Madonna, Eminem, Elton John together don't have the IQ God gave a frying pan.
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Grinbird-
No offense, but the header seemed to be looking for opinions. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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... And I tried to express my opinion Kieren.
It took me some time to put it together, as discussing this kind of cultural stuff is difficult when it has to be taken in another language than your own.
Originally posted by cabby:
"Music" for morons. Madonna, Eminem, Elton John together don't have the IQ God gave a frying pan. Who cares.
BTW, who gives a crap if the "kids like it"(other than another kid)??
Trying to decide if i will stick a Miles, Coltrane, the "Doors", or Steely Dan CD in the player tonight.
Cabby
Is the quote above an opinion? - Nope!
As I see it its a man telling the world about his taste in music, and saying that people with another taste in music is morons. I simply think its too easy, and too stupid to qualify to be called an opinion.
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GrinBird
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Hey, not trying to pick a fight here!
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Do like me an tune to talk radio. I can't stand most any "music" anymore.
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Originally posted by flakbait:
would win a sing-off.
Eminem huh... *caugh*. If heard a dog yowl at 4am. And I bet the dog you call that music you've never
*eyeballs CD rack* Let's see here...
Garth brooks
I just gotta do this (I'm totally prepared for the flames so fire away (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)). I absolutely despise ole Garthy boy. He IS the Anti-Hank. There is nothing even remotely "Country" about this clod who's favorite band growing up was KISS. Sorry...just the site or sound of this guy makes me snarl. Sure, in reality there really is not much real country left, but this guy single-handedly set that trend into motion.
Swamp
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Aww come on.
That manson dude grew sort of grey and didn't have enough shock value.
So, they find someone else.
This has been going on for a very long time - I remember my grandmother (a very fine lady) saying with a laugh that she thought the beatles were pure evil (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
Just more of the same (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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There is a vast gulf between "We gotta make our government do what's right"
-'60s era protest
And "Blow away the pigs your girlfriend your mother ya dig"
-Modern "gangsta" rap
One is an expression of desire for change in society, the other is merely that societies dirge
There is nothing "pure" or "passionate"
about this fecal matter
That is if you're the kind of person that cannot equate rape to passion.
If you can, you need help.
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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right on pzvg! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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Just to put things into perspective.... all you "old men" complaining here.... it's your kids and other kids who grew up in the society YOU created that feel compelled to buy those records.
Congratulations. Job well done.
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"the great bands and music of my era... Moody Blues, Bad Company, Aerosmith, to name a few"
Wow Eagler, I almost blew my mouthful of coffee all over the screen!
I'll have to say, I envisioned you as a young man (who refused to wear anything but his Boy Scout uniform), jumping around the living room listening to "The Best of John Philip Sousa."
Ya learn somethin' new every day! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Mk
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Originally posted by Mk10 225th:
"the great bands and music of my era... Moody Blues, Bad Company, Aerosmith, to name a few"
Wow Eagler, I almost blew my mouthful of coffee all over the screen!
I'll have to say, I envisioned you as a young man (who refused to wear anything but his Boy Scout uniform), jumping around the living room listening to "The Best of John Philip Sousa."
Ya learn somethin' new every day! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Mk
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Nope, never was a Boy Scout, Cub Scout when I was 8 for about a year, just long enough to get creamed in the pine run derby (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Here's a couple more bands that come to mind:
Led Zep, Outlaws, Thin Lizzy, Dan Folgerberg (just saw him in concert a few months back - amazing one man show), Deep Purple, Cat Stevens, David Bowie, Beach Boys, Queen,.. just about everything that wasn't acid rock or on the other extreme - disco or bubblegum (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Like I said earlier, you can still find these artists on the radio, don't think the "artists" of today will be around in 2021 except in some MTV filler BS.
Never heard of John Philip Sousa (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) but I do find myself listening to Bach, Mozart and the like on NPR - man, I must be getting old (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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Mighty1 said:
The funny thing is that Eminem is getting all the bad press and all these other rappers that say far worse are considered OK.
For two reasons.
1. He's far more popular.
2. You can understand what he's saying.
I wouldn't say the others are conisdered OK, they just are either not tha popular, or their "ebonics" is so screwed up nobody can figure out WTF they are saying.
Lephturn
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Originally posted by Lephturn:
I wouldn't say the others are conisdered OK, they just are either not tha popular, or their "ebonics" is so screwed up nobody can figure out WTF they are saying.
Lephturn
Is that why everytime I see an interview with one of these Einsteins, they seem to end every sentence with: "Ya see what I'm sayin?" Are they aware that they are unintelligible,and consequently look for approval of every sentence? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by LJK Raubvogel:
Is that why everytime I see an interview with one of these Einsteins, they seem to end every sentence with: "Ya see what I'm sayin?" Are they aware that they are unintelligible,and consequently look for approval of every sentence? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
LOL - (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
yeeee-yuh ris-aub-vis-nogel knowha'amsayn.....peace
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Yall leave M&M alone, hes the REAL Slim Shady....nevermind.
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Truth hurt, GrinBird?? In my OPINION, your taste in "music" SUCKS.
Clear enough for ya??
Cabby
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And an addendum for those of you who imagine you possess an artistic soul.
The Moody Blues could let you know how they felt, in a language understood clearly.
The Doors could expose and lay bare the dark side of the soul, without resorting to pictures.
Alice Cooper combined shock with something called "talent", haven't seen the wannabe's get there yet.
And last of all,
Anyone trying to put Rappers in the same category as Miles Davis,Otis Redding,Barry White, etc, needs to be put away so they cannot harm themselves.
Sheesh, Taste in music? oxymoron, you listen to music first of all, and music is rhythm and melody, they got the rhythm part, but melody?
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LOL, you guys just aren't teenagers anymore (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
I feel the exact same way as you do, and I'm only 25.
The fact of the matter is that regardless of just *how* teens express their desire to revolt, the *do* it by using music in part.
In the 60's, there wasn't a real need to go to extremes. Elvis wrigging his hips was considered very bad and many tv shows only filmed him from his head up.
Now, we're desensitized and need more.
It's not for me to say that the REAL music was made in 19XX. Or rather it is but then I'd have to admit that I sort of belongs to a specific generation and with the associated musical values.
It'd be wrong of me to belittle current generations - the music will or will not stand the test of time (and most of it won't), so I'll just wait and pass judgement when I know I am right (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
Besides, having intelligent conversations with teenagers is as likely as meeting a non dweeb chog driver - happens now and then, but not often (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"All your base/are belong to us"
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Keep up the momentum!
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Someone please explain to this old man why our non minority youth try to emulate the lowest common denominator of the minority youth in this country.
The same reason you probably emulated The Beatles or other rebelling groups in your time. Teens throughout our modern history always feel restricted by their parents close minded views on society and the way things work. It is their way of breaking free and experiencing life they way they want to. The same reason teenagers grew long hair in the 60s. They grow out of it. It's not a tragedy.
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Originally posted by Loyalist:
They grow out of it. It's not a tragedy.
That's debatable. You are shaped by your youth experiences into the person you are later in life. Say between the ages of 12 and 20 the average youthful mind is a sponge. Think it is important to be careful what one soaks up with it. I saw this artist on a PPV concert, about 10 minutes,(PPV is free, TW perk, would never pay for his trash) and about 5 minutes on a MTV interview. Just a punk arse white kid wishing he was a ghetto black,... for whatever reason. Probably for the $$$ he collects from other misguided youth and their dumb arse parents which allow such filth into their homes and minds..
Sorry, I just don't think this as a positive influence on our youth and thus the future of this country. And what isn't light is dark .....
Eagler
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My favourite band when I was 14 was Nirvana. I thought the song "Rape Me" was actually quite good.
But I haven't turned out too bad. Well IMO, anyway. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Eminem just appeals to the angsty side of teenagers - his marketing people want that above anything else.
But teenage rebellion has changed completely since the sixties. With the Sex Pistols, The Clash et al in the late 70s and early 80s, to the Nirvana and now eminem - rebellion is far more angsty.
The Beatles sang about love and friendship or just being out of your tree on pot/acid/whatever.
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Yes, but at the time what The Beatles were singing about was shocking the up tight parents who had no life experience outside of their own little circle. That's basically what is going on today, just horrible music. Personally, I can't stand his music, but believe it or not, kids know what is right and wrong if they have been brought up properly. If they have not had a stable home life than music isn't going to make a difference, regardless of what they listen to.
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I like all the stuff he's realised as singles. They are usually quite funny and not that offensive.
But I've read lyrics from the unreleased stuff which is pretty sick. But I think anyone with even a modicum of intelligence (most kids have this, it seems to me) can see that the lyrics are meant to shock, and that it is a huge marketing ploy. I'm sure Eminem doesn't see it that way, but it's in his interest to come across as a person dealing with 'issues'.
BTW, Limp Bizkit rule - they are pretty unsavoury also.
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Aww come'on. In my mid/late teens, gangsta-rap was just becoming popular and after that I moved on to punk/indie stuff. You know, the anti-social/goverment/system/whateveryouridealsarestuffwedontlikeit and I dont go around shooting cops, blowing up goverments, etc.
It doesnt matter, as long as you got a background (education!) to seperate the lyrics from reality!.
I'd much rather have guys like Eminem around, who in his own obscure way at least offers something to discuss than the dumb & dumber lyrics of Spice Girls, 911 whathave you.
What's really interesting with this discussion is that I see many here, who usually screams about PC'ness going too far being against Eminem (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Daff
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If we are to combat outrageous statements made by artists, we really should shoot the writers of love songs.
they create an anrtificial idealized and impossible picture of love, push it down the throats of children a who subsequently get divorced at about a 57% rate.
Now divorce means possibility of kids.
That's evil.
KILL THE LOVE SONG WRITERS!
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"All your base/are belong to us"
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Keep up the momentum!
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Daff, it's really quite simple. Some people have discriminating taste, an educated ear, an appreciation of talent.
That leaves Eminem on my "this talentless punk and his rip-off record company will say or do anything for money, who gives a s*** list."
"Political Correctness" has nothing to do with it.
Cabby
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The problem is, Cabby, that you can't quantify "good" or "bad" music..it all depends on who's listening. Music means something different to each person. There's probably plenty of people that think the music you like is crap and pure noise. With music more than any visual arts, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Daff
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CO, 56th Fighter Group
"This is Yardstick. Follow me"
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It´s simple, yall djust too old.
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AH : Maniac
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Daff:
Oh yes. You CAN quantify taste. All it takes is knowledge, training, experience, and most of all, the backbone to say so. In other words, under all circumstances and conditions, dogsh*t is dogsh*t. The best you could expect from dogsh*t is to have it called "fertilizer".
And to those who say some of us are too "old" to "understand" garbage from the likes of Eminem, you obviously are woefully ignorant musically, inexperienced, and have a tin ear to boot.
Cabby
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Music changes and that is good as long it's instrumental with a good beat on it.
I could listen many types off music as long as it is good.
Why instrumental because music is an art done by people who trained a lot on their instruments. When u got some off them togheter and they teamup, most beautiful things can come out no electronic thing can ever match that IMO.
Music is for the soul so it got to come from it too.
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Ok, Cabby, what determines what kind of music is good and what is crap?. Dont throw a stack of band-names at me...describe what it takes to make good music and why.
Daff
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CO, 56th Fighter Group
"This is Yardstick. Follow me"
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"describe what it takes to make good music and why."
What it takes?? Talent, Inspiration, Originality, Musicianship.
Why??? Because a good musician has to.
You are right. I won't compare and contrast a list of good/great musicians with talent-less trash. It is disrespectful to the good ones and only encourages the trash.
Music appreciation is a lot like learning to drink alcohol, make love, and drive an automobile. Maturity, experience, and intelligence make each of those activities a more pleasant and satisfying experience.
Cabby
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There is something called taste & its djust like your arse, divided.
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" bunching all eminems songs togheter and calling it/him crap and that he lacks talent is ignorant.
Really??? I'd say it's more like discriminating taste and a very low tolerance for sleazy, exploitative, BS. If that description of Eminem's "talent"(LOL)offends you, well, good!!!
BTW, what instruments does Eminem play??
I pretty sure that Eminem's record company, if not Eminem himself, is quite familiar with the methods of P.T. Barnum.
"You'll never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American Public".
Or: "There's a sucker born every minute......."
Cabby
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And now you are only an musician if you play an instrument, ok i see where this is going cya!
P.S if eneminem offends you then im happy
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Maniac
Hope your taste in other things is better than your taste in music (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Don't worry you should grow out of it someday...
Eagler
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Pathetic,
Ya im an huge Eminem fan i own all his records <G>
"dont worry you will grow out of it"
I told you it was all about age to begin with...
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Originally posted by Maniac:
Pathetic,
Ya im an huge Eminem fan i own all his records <G>
"dont worry you will grow out of it"
I told you it was all about age to begin with...
Sorry, misunderstood your previous post .. I think we are on the same page on this one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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"What it takes?? Talent, Inspiration, Originality, Musicianship."
You forgot the most important thing..You need to have a Drive. IF you dont have that, it doesnt matter how talented, how inspired, how original or how much musicianshop you have, it'll come out as dull music...but you can lack in the 4 above and still have the "drive" and you'll still be able to make music that "swings".
Look at The Ramones. They were utterly uselss as musicians, but they had that "drive".
If you dont mean what you're playing, it wont go anywhere.
Music, no matter how you twist and turn it, is an artform and not an exercise in techniques.
Daff
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CO, 56th Fighter Group
"This is Yardstick. Follow me"
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Originally posted by Daff:
"What it takes?? Talent, Inspiration, Originality, Musicianship."
You forgot the most important thing..You need to have a Drive. IF you dont have that, it doesnt matter how talented, how inspired, how original or how much musicianshop you have, it'll come out as dull music...but you can lack in the 4 above and still have the "drive" and you'll still be able to make music that "swings".
Look at The Ramones. They were utterly uselss as musicians, but they had that "drive".
If you dont mean what you're playing, it wont go anywhere.
Music, no matter how you twist and turn it, is an artform and not an exercise in techniques.
Daff
Drive = money & fame
that's is all this cracker and many other modern day "artists" are trying to get out of their "art". His "music" breeds hate and disruption. Music should enlighten and uplifting. I can find neither in m&m's crap.
Music is all about vibrations. Good vibes and bad - literally. His music is nothing but the latter.
Eagler
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Best musicians are Jazz musicians i wish i could learn to listen to this music.
I wish i could drum jazz to play rock with it
If u really interested in music u will find urselve getting a change in taste.
Before i bought my drumkit i listened to more softier simple music like genesis and so.
After i began studying on the kit my taste was getting to Hardrock like soundgarden, metallica, living colour, and faith no more
that beat really get's me
Also a good song can be played only on the piano.
Good rocksongs u have to listen more than twice before u get it btw also
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Originally posted by Daff:
Look at The Ramones. They were utterly uselss as musicians, but they had that "drive".
them's fightin words