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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: xrtoronto on September 12, 2006, 02:07:52 PM
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At least ten stingrays have been found dead and mutilated on Australia’s eastern coast in the last week in what conservationists believe could be revenge attacks for the death of Steve Irwin, the popular naturalist and television personality.
Irwin, known by his fans as the "Crocodile Hunter", was killed last Monday when a stingray barb pierced his chest as he filmed a new TV programme off the Great Barrier Reef. His death triggered an outpouring of grief in Australia and among thousands of admirers worldwide.
But now it is feared that fans' mourning has taken a new focus: stingray rage.
The dead stingrays have been discovered on two beaches in Queensland state, where Mr Irwin lived and ran his popular wildlife park, Australia Zoo. Two of the unfortunate rays, discovered today, were retrieved with their tails lopped off, according to local fishery officials.
Michael Hornby, a friend of Mr Irwin and executive director of his conservation group Wildlife Warriors, said he was concerned that the rays, which are usually docile creatures, were being hunted and killed in retaliation for Irwin's death, which he said, would go against everything that the television star had stood for.
"It may be some sort of retribution, or it may be fear from certain individuals, or it just may be yet another callous act toward wildlife," he said.
"We are disgusted and disappointed that people would take this sort of action to hurt wildlife. We just want to make it very clear that we will not accept and not stand for anyone who has taken a form of retribution. That’s the last thing Steve would want."
"Stingrays are beautiful creatures and play an important role for the environment. I hope everyone understands we have to protect wildlife now more than ever. This is what Steve was all about."
Stingrays are usually shy, unobtrusive fish that rummage along the sea bottom for food or burrow into the sand. When stepped on or otherwise frightened, a serrated spine up to 25cm (10 inches) long in the animal’s tail flares up.
The spines emit toxins that can kill small creatures and cause excruciating pain in humans. Few people die from the poison, but the spines can badly tear flesh and the wounds are prone to infections, including tetanus.
Rick Symons, government fisheries manager of animal welfare, said that officials were investigating the matter and warned that offenders could be prosecuted if evidence of cruelty was found.
Wayne Sumpton, from the state fisheries department, said there had been reports of similar incidents in the past after fishermen had inadvertently caught stingrays and cut off their tails to avoid being stung, but such incidents were not common and were not condoned by the authorities.
Meanwhile, Irwin's admirers appear also to be using technology to avenge the death of the daredevil star.
A website has created a game called Terri Irwin's Revenge, depicting the naturalist's wife firing at stingrays underwater. The aim of the game, which is being circulated via e-mail, is to kill as many stingrays as possible without getting hit, reports the Sydney Morning Herald.
However, the game has been receiving mixed responses from online visitors. "We should make it clear, this game is intended to be a memorial and NOT a funny parody," say its creators, who go by the names of Josh Tuttle, -altr- and Onic, on the website mofunzone.com
Mr Irwin was buried last week in the grounds of his zoo at a private ceremony after his family turned down the offer of a state funeral. A public memorial service will be held next week.
source (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2353742,00.html)
I am sad to learn of this news personally. It's not the fault of the stingray for defending itself in a situation when it obviously felt threatened. I feel confident that Steve Irwin would say something similar. These are beautiful animals who were in their own habitat at the time of this incident. I understand the pain and grief of those involved but this is not at all the way to express it.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
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I am sad to learn of this news personally. It's not the fault of the stingray for defending itself in a situation when it obviously felt threatened. I feel confident that Steve Irwin would say something similar. These are beautiful animals who were in their own habitat at the time of this incident. I understand the pain and grief of those involved but this is not at all the way to express it.
If that isn't bad enough, peep this:
"The Aussie naturalist, known as the Crocodile Hunter, was killed last week by a stingray while filming off the Great Barrier Reef. But the folks at PETA are neither surprised nor upset by his passing.
“It comes as no shock at all that Steve Irwin should die provoking a dangerous animal,” PETA’s Dan Mathews tells The Scoop. “He made a career out of antagonizing frightened wild animals, which is a very dangerous message to send to kids.”
Does Irwin’s career as a naturalist impress the animal-rights group? Says Mathews: “If you compare him with a responsible conservationist like Jacques Cousteau, he looks like a cheap reality TV star.”
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Does Irwin’s career as a naturalist impress the animal-rights group? Says Mathews: “If you compare him with a responsible conservationist like Jacques Cousteau, he looks like a cheap reality TV star.”
Hadn't thought of it quite that way before.......
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The same Cousteau that is alleged to have put bleach in the aquarium holding an octopus to make a shot for his film?
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Originally posted by Maverick
The same Cousteau that is alleged to have put bleach in the aquarium holding an octopus to make a shot for his film?
eh...why would he do that?
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Originally posted by Maverick
The same Cousteau that is alleged to have put bleach in the aquarium holding an octopus to make a shot for his film?
Maverick your argument is sooooooo cheap, i dont want to discuss it further...
What do you really know about the person Jacques Yves Cousteau?
what have he done to protect the sea his full life time and you put
him here in such a bad & cheap light? , i cant belive this.
And you talk about a octopus.... :(
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Originally posted by Elfie
eh...why would he do that?
The shot was showing how an octopus could escape frm the aquarium and off the boat back into the water. That scene was shown. The alleged bleach addition was used to convince the octopus to leave the tank supposedly done off screen.
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He also put his thumb up its ass.
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Originally posted by Maverick
The shot was showing how an octopus could escape frm the aquarium and off the boat back into the water. That scene was shown. The alleged bleach addition was used to convince the octopus to leave the tank supposedly done off screen.
Huh....never heard that before. Any links available? Who made the allegation?
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
If that isn't bad enough, peep this:
"The Aussie naturalist, known as the Crocodile Hunter, was killed last week by a stingray while filming off the Great Barrier Reef. But the folks at PETA are neither surprised nor upset by his passing.
“It comes as no shock at all that Steve Irwin should die provoking a dangerous animal,” PETA’s Dan Mathews tells The Scoop. “He made a career out of antagonizing frightened wild animals, which is a very dangerous message to send to kids.”
Does Irwin’s career as a naturalist impress the animal-rights group? Says Mathews: “If you compare him with a responsible conservationist like Jacques Cousteau, he looks like a cheap reality TV star.”
Why does peta always have to stick their F*****g noses in everything?
Peta should stand for P=people E=eating T=tasty A=animals
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Originally posted by Elfie
Huh....never heard that before. Any links available? Who made the allegation?
This was something I remembered hitting the news very shortly after he died. I have no idea if it's true but I can't find much on it and nothing saying it's a bogus story. Here is a link indicating the BBC is the source for the original story. It's a one paragraph blurb about 2/3 down the page.
http://www.rrj.ca/issue/1999/spring/277/
A quick google search didn't bring the article up. There is nothing on snopes about Cousteau.
I brought it up as a bit of irony given that peta should have been all over it. :rolleyes:
Ghost, get a life. (http://smilies.vidahost.com/ups/querijn/rolleyes1.gif)
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Originally posted by moot
He also put his thumb up its ass.
rof!!
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About as intelligent as "The Long War".
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Still, scrupulous research doesn't always justify the use of dramatic techniques. In 1998, the BBC revealed that the famed marine biologist and filmmaker, Jacques Cousteau, had staged some underwater scenes in his nature documentaries. In one, some former crew members later confessed, Cousteau taped footage of an octopus scrambling out of a tank and hopping overboard. What the viewer didn't see was that Cousteau had poured bleach into the tank before he started filming.
Interesting.
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That PETA quote was actually right on the money.
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If you take PETAs side in ANYTHING your an .
Also, Irwin was with the son of the famous Jacques Cousteau when he died so shutup already. Irwin did good works and nothing any leftest liberal PETA cheezeball says will change that fact.
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Originally posted by Yeager
If you take PETAs side in ANYTHING your an .
Also, Irwin was with the son of the famous Jacques Cousteau when he died so shutup already. Irwin did good works and nothing any leftest liberal PETA cheezeball says will change that fact.
Steve Irwin did do alot of good in regards to wildlife conservation and awareness, no one is disputing that. Otoh, he did take needless risks imo.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
you compare him with a responsible conservationist like Jacques Cousteau, he looks like a cheap reality TV star
Reguardless of what Cousteau may have dsone.
I still agree tih the second part of this comment.
Matter of fact I think its exactly spot on.
I like everyone else liked Irwin at first. He was unique and the guy was undoubtedly nuts. Him mowing the lawn next and the Croc jumping up at him had me LMAO.
but the more and more I watched him. The less I was impressed with him.
Eventually my opinion of him was that of a crazy A hole.
And it was only a matter of time before something really bad happened to him.
I remember him messing with a bunch of timber Rattlers and him croutching down antagonzing one when another came slithering between his legs and right under his...umm Package and thinking. "Oh man if he is gonna get bit PLEASE let him get bit there."
I could think of no more an approperiate outcome
Its just ironic that he get done in by not one of the most vicious creatures on earth.
But one of the most docile
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Originally posted by dmf
Why does peta always have to stick their F*****g noses in everything?
Peta should stand for P=people E=eating T=tasty A=animals
Lol DMF, you sure you're a girl?:)
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Originally posted by Neubob
Lol DMF, you sure you're a girl?:)
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Great comment I have.
I'll let someone else say it though :D
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But seriously, Jaques and Steve have done more for animals than PETA. Additionally, killing stingrays out of fear or revenge is just silly. Never thought I would call an Aussie silly, but I just did.
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I remember him messing with a bunch of timber Rattlers and him croutching down antagonzing one when another came slithering between his legs and right under his...umm Package and thinking. "Oh man if he is gonna get bit PLEASE let him get bit there. I could think of no more an approperiate outcome"
the man is dead, did he take risks? yeah but dont we all?
Its all a matter on what you are PERSONALLY willing to risk.....some are braver than others.
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i amazes me when a person dies all the ppl that come out of the woodwork to drag him thru the mud ...guess they figure since the guy cant defend himself its safe to do so. Peta is a joke, most if not all are completly out of touch with reality...they probably believe in alien aductions and that there really are alien spacecraft at area 51 :huh
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
the man is dead, did he take risks? yeah but dont we all?
Its all a matter on what you are PERSONALLY willing to risk.....some are braver than others.
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i amazes me when a person dies all the ppl that come out of the woodwork to drag him thru the mud ...guess they figure since the guy cant defend himself its safe to do so. Peta is a joke, most if not all are completly out of touch with reality...they probably believe in alien aductions and that there really are alien spacecraft at area 51 :huh
Excellent post.
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and that there really are alien spacecraft at area 51
You mean there arent any alien spacecraft? :cry
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Originally posted by Goth
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LOL, That was the first thing that popped into my head when I started reading this thread. Crikey!
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look at that over there stevesy.
great flim.
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Originally posted by rpm
LOL, That was the first thing that popped into my head when I started reading this thread. Crikey!
Same here.:D
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Originally posted by Elfie
You mean there arent any alien spacecraft? :cry
well....i didnt say that....just not at area 51:noid
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Originally posted by Goth
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What movie is this?
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Well, every summer I have at least a few extremely close (within a foot of me in chest deep water) encounters with these guys:
(http://filaman.ifm-geomar.de/images/species/Dabre_u2.jpg)
and I wouldn't consider myself a risk taker.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Well, every summer I have at least a few extremely close (within a foot of me in chest deep water) encounters with these guys:
(http://filaman.ifm-geomar.de/images/species/Dabre_u2.jpg)
and I wouldn't consider myself a risk taker.
Considering how docile those are, I wouldn't consider you a risk taker either.
Otoh, if I saw you picking up poisonous snakes by the tail instead of with one of those sticks with a metal hook on the end.....I would think you were crazy and taking unnecessary risks. :D
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Don't go all gushy about how Cousteau was different (ie. nicer to animals) than Irwin... Read his book "The Silent World" and then tell me what you think. It used to be common for Cousteau and his crew to go out and harpoon a dozen sharks in the name of oceanic science. They spent a week or two testing various anti-shark harpoons, including ones with explosive tips.
Cousteau was a GREAT oceanographic researcher, but don't get all weepy and holier than thou about his approach to his science. He quite willingly touched off grenades in schools of fish and harpooned/shot many whales, dolphin, etc. in the name of science. I don't recall Irwin harpooning or grenading a single croc, gator, or stingray...
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And he used to make the most derogatory remarks about the wildlife he filmed, too.
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On Cousteau and his crew messing with animals...
"Dumas siezed the nettle one day, by pulling an octopus from a cliff. He was somewhat apprehensive, but it was a small octopus and Didi felt he was too large a drink for it. If Dumas was timid, the octopus was downright terrorized. It writhed desperately to escape the four-armed monster, and succeeded in breaking loose... Soon we were handling any size of cephalopod we found."
Anyhow, my point is that a lot of people have a rather ignorant view of what Irwin did simply because he enjoyed his work and had a tv show. He didn't do half the stuff to animals that researchers like Cousteau did, but people get all up in arms about the stuff he did for the show.
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It comes as no shock at all that Steve Irwin should die provoking a dangerous animal, PETA's Dan Mathews tells The Scoop. He made a career out of antagonizing frightened wild animals, which is a very dangerous message to send to kids.
This isn't "Drag through the mud". I guarantee this person would have said the same things about him prior to his death. Playing as if he we something other than a person that made a living off of provoking animals and displaying how "brave" he was while doing it is where people start going off the deep end. His death did nothing to change that... no matter how "harmless" rays are and no matter how dangerous he was trying to make them look for a movie titled "dangerous animals and the idiots that hang out with them."
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Stingray belongs to the family of "skate" right? (not sure of the word in English".
Anyway, up here we eat those :D
Need special processing, but are tasty in an "ammonium" way, just like the shark :D
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Originally posted by Saintaw
What movie is this?
The Life Aquatic (Wes Anderson Director)
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Encounter with highly abnormal sharklike fish!
Ten meters in length,
unfamiliar dorsal features, spots all over it!
I shot it dorsally with a homing dart!
Esteban was eaten!
Check the scanning monitor!
Start tracking before it dives too deep!
- Esteban was bitten?
- Eaten!
- Is he dead?
- Esteban was eaten!
- He was swallowed whole?
- No! Chewed!
Check the scanning monitor!
He's got hydrogen psychosis.
Crazy-eye.
Steve, we think
you got crazy-eye.
- Get him out of the ****ing water.
- Esteban!
- Esteban! Esteban!
- Why'd you throw it over?
- Esteban! Esteban!
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Originally posted by Goth
[B killing stingrays out of fear or revenge is just silly. Never thought I would call an Aussie silly, but I just did. [/B]
Australia is no differant to any other country in the world in that we have vast numbers of idiots, imbeciles, morons, bananas and complete stunninghunks spread throughout our population, many of them are ridgy didge, fair dinkum Aussies.
Go killing stingrays out of some sort of revenge for Steve Erwin's death though, and wether you were born here and have lifetime citizenship or not, you are no true Aussie.
Rather just another complete moron who happens to be a resident of Australia. There is a differance. ( Comments from residents of NZ on this matter don't count :p )
BTW it is more than 'silly', it is downright pointless wanton destruction and extreme cruelty to an animal.
It is allso a criminal offence under both Australian federal and Queensland state laws to remove a native animal or plant from a national park or reserve.
The entire Great Barrier Reef, and a vast majority of the waters off Qld's coast is one big marine reserve.
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Oh Teh Irony.
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Originally posted by eagl
Don't go all gushy about how Cousteau was different (ie. nicer to animals) than Irwin... Read his book "The Silent World" and then tell me what you think. It used to be common for Cousteau and his crew to go out and harpoon a dozen sharks in the name of oceanic science. They spent a week or two testing various anti-shark harpoons, including ones with explosive tips.
Cousteau was a GREAT oceanographic researcher, but don't get all weepy and holier than thou about his approach to his science. He quite willingly touched off grenades in schools of fish and harpooned/shot many whales, dolphin, etc. in the name of science. I don't recall Irwin harpooning or grenading a single croc, gator, or stingray...
ahhh I just love when people hold histories people to todays standards.
In his day Couteau was a great naturalist.
So was Teddy Roosvelt in his day. And he had more then a few trophies on his walls lol
As much as I thought he was an A hole I will admit he was a great naturalist
Though I imagine 20-30 years from now people when applying him to their standards will talk about how horrible he really was too
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Er dred... I hope you're not aiming that at me, since my point was that people getting all weirded out over a guy stuffing his thumb up a gator's bum on tv is pretty stupid.
Cousteau always has been one of my personal heroes. He lived and breathed science, even managing to do real research throughout WWII within his military role, and he did more to advance oceanographic science than any dozen of today's modern politically correct committee driven budget obsessed "researchers".
I was pointing out that molesting (and harpooning, exploding, etc) animals is pretty much standard for wildlife research and it's pretty stupid and emotionally reactionary to try to claim that Irwin's work was somehow lessened by how he interacted with the animals. He could have been quietly blowing them up off camera and getting a lot of other valid research done, but instead he did his thing on TV. Big deal. People are jealous of how he had fun doing his job and they're trying to degrade his work by some BS remarks about how he just went around molesting animals... Heck, if he was a chef we'd get to watch him dive, harpoon that stingray, haul it to the surface, then cook and eat it :)
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I think he wasnt taking risks simply because he knew something might happen, and chances are he was prepared for it. There were porbably emergency techs., anti-venom and everything else standing by, we just didnt see them. And as for getting close to animals, ive got withing 6 inches of a shark. I have PET a white-tip reef shark, and woke it up (accidentally) but it wasnt a risk because the chances of it bitting were nonexistant. It was docile, and it let me stay right there for a long time, and even went back to sleep before I got bored with it. He knew what he was doing. He knew the chances, and he knew how to avoid them. This was just one freak thing. And for those of you who dont beleive me on the medical technicians, weve seen him get bit by some real poisonous stuff before. Dont you wonder why he didnt die? Soon as they cut the camera he probably got rushed by doc.s and anti-venom. He just couldnt survive this becuase DER it got him in the heart. Theres no antivenom for that.
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Personally, I love every wildlife guy that ever had a show.
Cousteau was the greatest in my opinion, but I was always a fan of even guys like old Marlin Perkins on Mutual of Omaha Wild Kingdom - and that old dude really had some staged wrestling fights with lions and huge crocs that you just knew were tranqued and probably senile with thier teeth pulled out, it was almost funny, but still, you learned a lot watching.
There was a really cool wildlife show a few years back that I forgot the name of, but it was actually more entertaining than Irwin's show. It had a gnarly, skinny old Aussie guy - can't remember his name, he was always eating wierd stuff in the outback with his incredibaly dirty hands and fingernails, they sometimes showed him walking around in his underpants bathing in streams. He was always getting bitten, stung or poisoned by something, but it didn't seem to phase him. Could anybody tell me the name of that guy or name of the show?
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Originally posted by eagl
Er dred... I hope you're not aiming that at me, since my point was that people getting all weirded out over a guy stuffing his thumb up a gator's bum on tv is pretty stupid.
Cousteau always has been one of my personal heroes. He lived and breathed science, even managing to do real research throughout WWII within his military role, and he did more to advance oceanographic science than any dozen of today's modern politically correct committee driven budget obsessed "researchers".
I was pointing out that molesting (and harpooning, exploding, etc) animals is pretty much standard for wildlife research and it's pretty stupid and emotionally reactionary to try to claim that Irwin's work was somehow lessened by how he interacted with the animals. He could have been quietly blowing them up off camera and getting a lot of other valid research done, but instead he did his thing on TV. Big deal. People are jealous of how he had fun doing his job and they're trying to degrade his work by some BS remarks about how he just went around molesting animals... Heck, if he was a chef we'd get to watch him dive, harpoon that stingray, haul it to the surface, then cook and eat it :)
Wasnt directed at you specificaly, or even really as a dig. But rather a statement and observation on a theme that seemed to be going on here started with Mash and Mavs interaction and progressed from there.
We see these types of comparisons allt he time no the boards.
We compare ourselves to history, Yet we do not take into account the standards of that time
Yet we compare people in history to us and we try to hold them to our standards.
and you can pick just about any place in history and do that. Pick a man who people consider "great" and someone now will apply todays standards and say" ahhh you mean the same person who did this"
TR was a great naturalist and conservationalist in his time. one of the formost in America in fact.
But someone from today or even Cousteau time would probably say, "yea but"
Just as someone from today would say "yea but" about Cousteaus methods
and as someone 30 years from now will say "yea but" about Irwin
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About as intelligent as "The Long War". - Funkypants
Take a breather from the blogs, you are becoming obsessed.... And btw, Siegfried and Roy are not really my idea of naturalists, although they certainly are liberal, and they certainly took risks with the cats ;)
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Take a breather from the blogs, you are becoming obsessed.... And btw, Siegfried and Roy are not really my idea of naturalists, although they certainly are liberal, and they certainly took risks with the cats ;)
pfft not to mention they had a tiger act too!
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Hell anyone that goes into the sea is taking a risk. I think the guys frm ******* were the real idiots, or any other person trying to jump on the back of a 14 foot salt water croc w/o proper training is a fool.
Too bad about his death, he was entertaining.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Personally, I love every wildlife guy that ever had a show.
Cousteau was the greatest in my opinion, but I was always a fan of even guys like old Marlin Perkins on Mutual of Omaha Wild Kingdom - and that old dude really had some staged wrestling fights with lions and huge crocs that you just knew were tranqued and probably senile with thier teeth pulled out, it was almost funny, but still, you learned a lot watching.
There was a really cool wildlife show a few years back that I forgot the name of, but it was actually more entertaining than Irwin's show. It had a gnarly, skinny old Aussie guy - can't remember his name, he was always eating wierd stuff in the outback with his incredibaly dirty hands and fingernails, they sometimes showed him walking around in his underpants bathing in streams. He was always getting bitten, stung or poisoned by something, but it didn't seem to phase him. Could anybody tell me the name of that guy or name of the show?
Would it be Alby Mangels (http://www.e-nova.net.au/alby/index.swf) World Safari series Gunthr?
Or perhaps Les Hiddens The Bush Tucker man (http://www.bushtuckershop.com/prod67.htm) ?
Thats the problem with Aus....too many gnarly old geezers getting around the bush in their underclackers harrassing dangerous animals ;)
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nobody beats marlin perkins. nobody.
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Used to watch his Mutual of Omaha presents, every Sunday when I was a kid.
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Guess these tour businesses are gonna have some problems
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Ahhahahahaha those guys are all wearing inflatable life preservers... That's so funny. The event company isn't worried about them getting stung, they're worried about them drowning in 3 ft of water :)
That's such an indictment of society today... Pretty clear evidence of everything that is wrong with us today.
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lol a pasty people holiday resort
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Originally posted by storch
lol a pasty people holiday resort
Shallow area off Grand Caymen from cruise we took last winter...were like 4-5 boats out there. Wifey and crumbcruncher are in there somewhere---they actually TRY to get ya to PET the stingrays:rofl ----very smooth feel, seemingly gentle creatures (of course, knowing that these people bring food every day doesnt hurt)