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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunslinger on September 12, 2006, 09:48:19 PM
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Really I don't see these people as fringe or extreme anything in world of liberalism. It's just sad that some of them have so much hate and so little common sense. Do you really see people that associate themselves with conservatism displaying such hate and vile?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/imagesofperfection/sets/72157594280280187/
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there liberlas, they've been wanting a communist country for 30 years now. some people are just a little coo-koo in the head.
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I agree with you that the people in those photos are not the sort I'd like to associate with...
But to answer your other question... Yeah, I do see *some* conservatives who display such hate and vile, and so little common sense. Maybe not about the same issue (obviously), but certainly about others... Gay Rights and Evolution spring to mind.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Do you really see people that associate themselves with conservatism displaying such hate and vile?[/url]
Are you serious? Remember all those "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" and "God hates studmuffins" religious nutjobs?
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I'm not sure how you equate those folks to liberals. They didn't espouse ANY liberal agenda I ever heard of.
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I equate anything so outlandish as that kind of stuff being portrayed as being the fringe of liberalism but liberalism none the less. how could anyone think otherwise? in fairness I aslo see the nutjobs tarmac was describing as the extreme right, while I agree that they are religious nutjobs I would disagree that they are even remotely Christian.
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Anyone see Funked in those pics?
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Bunch of wackos who don't know what they want, except to say that they want it 'now'!
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I'm with MT on this. I'm also in agreement with this guy...
(http://static.flickr.com/93/241490831_503c491aae.jpg)
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Originally posted by rpm
I'm with MT on this. I'm also in agreement with this guy...
(http://static.flickr.com/93/241490831_503c491aae.jpg)
I've got a question--what sort of suppository does a guy need to take to achieve that facial expression?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Do you really see people that associate themselves with conservatism displaying such hate and vile?[/url]
Huh? Yer kiddin right?
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Originally posted by ujustdied
there liberlas, they've been wanting a communist country for 30 years now. some people are just a little coo-koo in the head.
that is the most insane, paranoid acusation i have ever heard. one of the core values of the democratic party is supposedly more government control, which would lead to facism, not communism, which in it's proper form, gives more control to the people, rather than the government. so those liberals want the oposite of what you accuse them of working towards.
the hardcore liberals that you are probably thinking of want a more libertarian style government, where the state mearly serves to defend and facilitate liberties. so even the steriotype that you are accusing is something you clearly dont understand.
also, the communism you are probably talking about is soviet communism, which is not communism at all, mearly an extremely militaristic quazi-dictatorship, which is just about the oposite of true communism.
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Hi Gunslingr,
The following are just some highly fallible opinions and observations of mine as to some of the reasons we are seeing the widening worldview rift in American culture.
We often forget that as Western first world nations go, America is the last of the nationalistic, politically conservative, predominantly religious nations. The vast majority of the other first world nations have embraced some form of soft Socialism and abandoned theism for atheistic or agnostic worldviews (materialism, existentialism, nihilism, etc.) We may complain about the liberalism of Canada, but we forget that worldview-wise, they are closest to the USA in their outlook.
Anyway, there is tremendous pressure within this country, especially within our intelligentsia, for us to abandon "outmoded" ideas like nationalism, conservatism and faith and follow the outlook of the rest of the first world nations, and increasing frustration that nationally, we aren't. We are rapidly reaching an ideological impasse which historically has only been resolved by Civil War or Revolution. Increasingly, we can't communicate or peacefully coexist with one another, and the level of hatred and antagonism is beginning to boil over. Our discourse is increasingly simply irrational - for instance Bush getting blamed for Hurricanes, or accused simultaneously of being too stupid to write his name and a sinister mastermind willing to blow up the WTC in pursuit of "Hitler-like" power. Chimp Hitler - the fiendish amoral conspirator genius capable of fooling the majority, who is also a prudish transparently brain-dead idiot. He has ceased to be a human being and has become an icon. He is the incarnation of everything the left hates about the right, the atheist hates about the evangelicals, the socialist hates about the capitalists, the environmentalist hates about the industrialists. This is just raw hatred and frustration, pure and simple.
There is also the huge divide on social issues, those who do not believe in absolutes and insist on positive law rather than any form of natural law have no basis for dialogue with those who do believe in absolutes and God-given laws. Were can you go when we have an argument between those who say "I am all there is, I decide" and those who say "God is there and He is not silent."
It seems to me as I try to recall the first hand material I've read, that the levels of contempt between the opposing ideologies are currently either at or above the those that existed between Torries and Patriots, Abolitionists and Slave Holders. However, we also live in the media-driven/apathy/leisure age which impedes the outbreak of actual violence. It seems as if at present revolt is not being kept in check by our prosperity - keep in mind also that America's two great revolts were primarily ideological and not inspired by economic deprivation - if anything we are kept in check by our vices.
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Originally posted by Neubob
I've got a question--what sort of suppository does a guy need to take to achieve that facial expression?
Who says it's a suppository? Maybe he just got a Lewinsky.
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Originally posted by rpm
Who says it's a suppository? Maybe he just got a Lewinsky.
Looks like he's still getting it.
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I can't support them because they are made of linguini.
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smidsy.. the core democratic party belief is socialism. They want more government control of the economy through taxation and to level the playing field not in the free market but by government taxation. They also want to protect us from ourselves and have government provided schools and healthcare and retirement and they are in bed with Unions.
All of these things are far more socialism than fascism.
The democrats are commies more than facists. The republicans are bad too but... more like the facist you describe so far as government control... they are a magnitude less facist than the womanly democrats are socialist.
Small government is your friend... big government is not only your enemy but often your executioner.
lazs
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besides wanting socialism, the left does not have a backbone
even the USSR had a backbone for most of its life
in this day and age, the left will not only tax the hell out of us and make us a nanny state, they will get us killed
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For a while I decided to stop allowing liberals to be defined by neocons. Then it struck me, I will just start defining neocons instead... let the definition wars begin.
Neocons are just fanboi wannabe soldiers too scared to really be tough guys, but living vicariously through the military. It must be true... It is in print.
^
see.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
For a while I decided to stop allowing liberals to be defined by neocons. Then it struck me, I will just start defining neocons instead... let the definition wars begin.
Neocons are just fanboi wannabe soldiers too scared to really be tough guys, but living vicariously through the military. It must be true... It is in print.
^
see.
:rofl
I'll think of an appropriate retort as I cruise through liberty city today.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Do you really see people that associate themselves with conservatism displaying such hate and vile?
You mean like proposing to exterminate all muslims or something crazy like that?
PS: Vile ain't a noun.
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Hi Funked,
Originally posted by FUNKED1
You mean like proposing to exterminate all muslims or something crazy like that?
PS: Vile ain't a noun.
Which conservatives have you heard advocating that we exterminate all Muslims? Can you give us an example?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
. Do you really see people that associate themselves with conservatism displaying such hate and vile?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/imagesofperfection/sets/72157594280280187/
Ever taken your girlfriend to a "family planning" office? These folks thought the reasonable and prudent thing to do, on a workday, was to try and insult us with pure bile rather than minding their own Fn business.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Really I don't see these people as fringe or extreme anything in world of liberalism. It's just sad that some of them have so much hate and so little common sense. Do you really see people that associate themselves with conservatism displaying such hate and vile?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/imagesofperfection/sets/72157594280280187/
Where does it show that these are "liberals"? A banner shows a "neo-conservative" organization PNAC and another banner is from a Libertarian organizations TruthMove.org.
ack-ack
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Hi x0847Marine,
Originally posted by x0847Marine
Ever taken your girlfriend to a "family planning" office? These folks thought the reasonable and prudent thing to do, on a workday, was to try and insult us with pure bile rather than minding their own Fn business.
Abollitionists were fairly unpopular at slave auctions as well. But I'm still rather glad they didn't mind their own business and let people get on with perfectly legal commerce.
Having been to one or two rallies in the vicinity of abortion clinics (it's illegal to demonstrate on their grounds or within a certain distance), I haven't actually heard anything abusive shouted at people going in. Certainly nothing even remotely approaching what's in the second verse of "What its like" by Everlast. Yeah, we were holding Abortion Kills Children signs, and that makes people uncomfortable, but it's supposed to, and if we didn't believe that, we'd hardly be protesting abortion. I also remember one family holding two signs saying "Please Let Us Adopt Your Baby."
In any event, it might be possible that there are abortion protestors out there who want to insult you, and if that was the case, then I am sorry for that, but most of them are there because they sincerely believe that in an abortion there are two people on the table but only one survives the procedure. For most Christians it is a case of obeying the command to "Open your mouth for the speechless, In the cause of all who are appointed to die." (Prov. 31:8)
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Are you serious? Remember all those "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" and "God hates studmuffins" religious nutjobs?
Thats religious....not polititcal. Similar to Islamofascists. Funny how liberals equate religious fanatics with political fanatics.
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Originally posted by weaselsan
Thats religious....not polititcal. Similar to Islamofascists. Funny how liberals equate religious fanatics with political fanatics.
The original question was:
Originally posted by Gunslinger
Do you really see people that associate themselves with conservatism displaying such hate and vile?
I think it's fair to say that Fred Phelps and his cult would call themselves conservatives.
And I'm hardly a liberal, but that sure is a great argument technique you've learned there. Name calling... good job.
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Nothing abusive about holding up a 6' by 6' picture of an aborted fetus on a public road... nope... nothing wrong with that huh preacher?
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Hi MT,
Originally posted by midnight Target
Nothing abusive about holding up a 6' by 6' picture of an aborted fetus on a public road... nope... nothing wrong with that huh preacher?
As for holding up pictures of aborted fetuses, I wouldn't know, I've never done it, or been at a rally where it was done. Personally, I prefer signs with the newer 3D ultrasounds of living unborn children. I also think that's far more effective, in fact Ultrasounds are perhaps the most effective tool ever invented for changing people's minds concerning abortion.
Grotesque perhaps, but abusive? I don't know. Would holding up pictures of women being shot in Soccer stadiums for appearing outside without a male relative be abusive? How about if a multitude of Germans had lined the Autobahn holding up pictures of the interior of Birkenau or Auschwitz in '43 - '44? Or how about if Americans and Englishmen had held up pictures of the actual interior of a slave ship in the 1700s?
When something terrible is going on legally, people tend to want to keep that particular slice of reality under wraps, but often exposing it is the most effective way of changing minds. Doing so certainly isn't abusive to the people who live because people saw what the abstract terms "Sharia" or "slave trade" or "labor camp" or "abortion" actually means.
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MT...why would you be offended by a picture of an aborted fetus? Haven't you said that a fetus isn't really a human being?
Seeing the crushed head and severed limbs would be shocking to some I suppose. Abortion-on-demand is easier to champion when one doesn't have to see the results.
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Wow, I guess common decency only applies when it's your issue that is in question.
Let's just say I am opposed to the Sharia and as a protest I stand in front of a mosque with a giant picture of a beheaded captive, or the burned bodies of Americans hanging from a bridge?
Or maybe I'm opposed to pornography.. so i stand on the street in front of a sex shop with a huge photo of a diseased organ.
Yeah... nobody could feel offended by that unless they were immoral or something.. right?
:aok
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On the other hand, when reality is not visibily represented, your side of the debate never moves beyond the abstract and the ideological.
Ergo, abortion advocates refuse to confront what abortion really is. The human side of the debate becomes skewed toward the tragedy that the mother would have to go through if she carried a baby she didn't really want all the way to term.
Note that, in that last statement, I infer that debate supporting a woman's right to choose is no longer centered around the need to protect her physical health, which was the original argument put forth by those who wanted abortion legalized, and has instead shifted toward her right to make a decision based, almost solely these days, on her convenience.
My wife has a friend who was a nurse. She worked for a doctor who routinely performed out-patient abortions. After the deed was done, he delegated the task of disposing of the remains which had been vacuumed from the mother's womb to the nurses. He never bother to look at them himself.
Nevertheless, she supported a woman's right to choose, and never gave it much real thought.
Her first pregnancy came as a surprise. At that point in time she didn't want to take on the responsibility of raising a child. She was young and wanted to concentrate on her career. So she had an abortion.
A few days afterwards, she became ill. She went to the bathroom one morning, and while sitting on the toilet, passed one of the child's arms. She told us that the psychological shock was something tremendous. The memory still wakes her up at nights.
She changed her mind about the necessity of it because of that event. She also went to work for another doctor...one who didn't perform abortions.
Needless to say, she is a most fervent proponent of alternatives to abortion.
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Everyone scews the debate toward their side of the issue, just like you did above. There is really just one bottom line question to me;
Do we allow a religion to define the rights of all Americans?
I say no. And for every horror story you want to share I'm sure there is another about a child in poverty or a teenager who's life is ruined or .. whatever.
Irrelevent.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
And for every horror story you want to share I'm sure there is another about a child in poverty or a teenager who's life is ruined or .. whatever.
Irrelevent.
this is a perfect illustration of the elitist liberal world view. I'm saddened by the callous manner people such as yourself so easily dismiss human life.
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Sorry, I don't accept your religion's definition of life.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Sorry, I don't accept your religion's definition of life.
MT religion
:)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Sorry, I don't accept your religion's definition of life.
ok, may I have yours then?
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I refuse to vote for either a liberal or a conservative, granted you know how they will likely stand on issues but they are too steadfast in their own beliefs to open their eyes to anyone else's.
I feel this is one of the reasons the more moderate Democrats/Republicans have no chance in hell of becoming President, most people want to know how someone will stand on all issues before they are even asked.
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Originally posted by storch
ok, may I have yours then?
when the egg cracks open and they get a good whiff of chicken arse :) ..
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Wow, the chick in the lower left corner with the flag on hr face has a really nice rack....
What was the article about, anyway?
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Originally posted by storch
ok, may I have yours then?
Sorry, but that is a loaded question even biologists will haggle over. There is no black and white dividing line between life and potential life and life that has the opportunity to be potential life. That is why the government and all religions needs to keep the heck out of it.
Of course there is a point at which the argument becomes silly. An 8 month term baby is a baby. A 7 month term baby probably is too. I would be all for limiting third trimester abortions to the those required to maintain the health of the mother.
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better question maybe at what point does a baby feel pain....
the libs are shooting themselves in the foot by supporting abortion, they are slowly whittling away at their future voting base ...
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Hi x0847Marine,
Abollitionists were fairly unpopular at slave auctions as well. But I'm still rather glad they didn't mind their own business and let people get on with perfectly legal commerce.
Having been to one or two rallies in the vicinity of abortion clinics (it's illegal to demonstrate on their grounds or within a certain distance), I haven't actually heard anything abusive shouted at people going in. Certainly nothing even remotely approaching what's in the second verse of "What its like" by Everlast. Yeah, we were holding Abortion Kills Children signs, and that makes people uncomfortable, but it's supposed to, and if we didn't believe that, we'd hardly be protesting abortion. I also remember one family holding two signs saying "Please Let Us Adopt Your Baby."
In any event, it might be possible that there are abortion protestors out there who want to insult you, and if that was the case, then I am sorry for that, but most of them are there because they sincerely believe that in an abortion there are two people on the table but only one survives the procedure. For most Christians it is a case of obeying the command to "Open your mouth for the speechless, In the cause of all who are appointed to die." (Prov. 31:8)
We were conducting lawful business of a medical and personal nature, weather it was "right" or "wrong" is only an OPINION. I personally don't care what people opine on the matter, it's legal, and we had every right as Americans to traverse the sidewalk unabated.
Whats the point of going somewhere just to piss off others (conducting legal business) who don't share the same opinions?
Belief in a higher power didn't make their opinion any more valid than mine.
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life begins at conception any other response is intellectually dishonest.
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Originally posted by storch
life begins at conception any other response is intellectually dishonest.
OK, I'll give ya that one. Here's some of mine:
The earth is not 6,000 years old and any other response is intellectually dishonest;
That man did not exist at the same time as Tyranosaurus Rex is a fact and any other response is intellectually dishonest;
That the overwhelming evidence that all life descended from a common ancestor or ancestors is obvious, and any other response is intellectually dishonest; and
That the Bible is not literally accurate is a fact and any other response is intellectually dishonest.
Now, I don't mean this to be picking on you personally, Storch, because I really have no idea what your views are on the topics, but I will say that I do know many people on these boards, who would describe themselves as conservative, feel that any or all of these statements are outright lies.
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Originally posted by storch
life begins at conception any other response is intellectually dishonest.
Hardly
Simply stating that life begins at conception is ignoring logic in its face. Why is this the begining? Is it the number of chromosomes?
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well it comes as no surprise that you are are a blackmunist.
the fact is that through deductive reasoning and direct observation it has been long determined that all life begins at conception. the act of fertilization is the start of any new life.
there is no question about this within the embryological community.
idiot judges and their minions be damned. all except you of course, MT.
this is the kind of stuff that will eventually lead to another civil war at some point in the future and it will be a civil war with no clearly defined geographical lines too.
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hey, I was once a member of the embryological community but was banished once my tissues began to differentiate - but I digress...
MT, just go back to your 8th grade definitions of "living", "once living" and "not living." ie, a cell, a dead cell, an inorganic rock.
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are you sure?
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Originally posted by storch
life begins at conception any other response is intellectually dishonest.
Your opinion is just fine, but I disagree. I made up my own mind, no book or dude dressed up in a robe decided for me.
The law of the land says I'm supposed to have the freedom to conduct my legal business in peace, a group of strangers showing up just to piss off others simply because they don't agree.. is nothing but church sponsored hate. These people were pretty totally tubular far from being reasonable folks "passionate" about an issue, they knew they only had a minute to yell before we went inside, so it was 60 seconds of 10+ brainwashed loons screaming bile.
My GF retorted "suck my dick", and one dude actually tried to grab her... until, lol, she nailed him with pepper spray.
All that drama was totally avoidable, it wasn't a happy time... only made worse by zealots who think because they go to a building I don't, or believe in somethings I don't, their opinion carried more weight.
There are places it's 100% legal to go shout at those who don't share the same opinion, AAMOF some people go there specifically to talk trash... it's called an NHL game.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
My GF retorted "suck my dick"
sounds like you have a keeper there .. did she get her card punch? 4 visits and the 5th one is free ...
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I hate myself for laughing at that one.. I really do.
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I laughed at it as well