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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sundowner on September 13, 2006, 05:20:47 AM
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Say again?
If this isnt creepy, I dont know what is... wtf?
Regards
Sun
Air Force chief: Test weapons on testy U.S. mobs
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before being used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary said Tuesday.
The object is basically public relations. Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions from others about possible safety considerations, said Secretary Michael Wynne.
"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne. "(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."
The Air Force has paid for research into nonlethal weapons, but he said the service is unlikely to spend more money on development until injury problems are reviewed by medical experts and resolved.
Nonlethal weapons generally can weaken people if they are hit with the beam. Some of the weapons can emit short, intense energy pulses that also can be effective in disabling some electronic devices.....
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/12/usaf.weapons.ap/index.html
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/BOGGLE!!!
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before being used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary said Tuesday.
No way......the Secretary of the Air Force needs to put down the crack pipe and immediately check himself into the nearest mental institution.
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Sooo many people forget that the US military is completely leashed by civilian leadership... The right to bear arms isn't in there to protect citizens from OTHER CITIZENS.
For further clarification, re-read the first paragraph of the declaration of independence.
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This is not a joke. The department of defense of the US of A recommends ordinarly cooking tin to immediatly counter the effects of a microwave attack. i.e. 'tinfoil hat' to protect the brain, which is most likely to bear much of the ill effects of a microwave attack. Pain, nausea, dizziness etc.
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it wouldn't be the first time. they tested nuclear fallout on people in the western states, LSD on the average Joe. sterilization tests on black people in alabama the list is fairly extensive.
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Somewhere I saw an LSD test on US troops. Video!
Was sad, but rather funny.
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What happens the first time someone reacts badly and dies from it? Sue the government? Thats the PC thinking thats got us in the mess we are in. Just the reverse of what it should be. Use it on enemies first, and if it works, then think about domestic use.
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Yep... we have the right to keep and bear arms because the founders realized that government allways butchers it's citizens and tramples on freedoms when it get's big enough or has been around long enough.
When they test weapons on us... it is a good time to test ours on them. We do outnumber them of course...
lazs
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I am all for them testing them on the protesters who show up at military funerals ...
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yeah, next time theres a WTC protest in the states, pull out all the non lethal weapons under development and test em out. But make sure its the city police and sherriff doing the testing, not our folks in the militry :aok
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Originally posted by Angus
Somewhere I saw an LSD test on US troops. Video!
Was sad, but rather funny.
Not funny when you realize a number of these suffered lifelong mental illness and some even committed suicide DURING the experiments as well as afterwards.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Yep... we have the right to keep and bear arms because the founders realized that government allways butchers it's citizens and tramples on freedoms when it get's big enough or has been around long enough.
When they test weapons on us... it is a good time to test ours on them. We do outnumber them of course...
lazs
lazs, how can you bash lefties who protest against our govts, butchering of thousands of citizens in one thread and then recommned thats what we do in this thread? :huh
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Originally posted by Yeager
yeah, next time theres a WTC protest in the states, pull out all the non lethal weapons under development and test em out. But make sure its the city police and sherriff doing the testing, not our folks in the militry :aok
Move to china dude, they dont allow lefties to protest govt activites, policies, or covert operations there. There are options.
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I have an idea, why dont we test these non-lethal weapons on this Air Force general?
The US gov't has done all the things mentioned in this thread. Enough is enough. We ARE NOT the military's personal freaking guinea pigs!
When they test weapons on us... it is a good time to test ours on them. We do outnumber them of course...
That is probably the only thing that will deter them, pretty sad really.
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Originally posted by storch
it wouldn't be the first time. they tested nuclear fallout on people in the western states, LSD on the average Joe. sterilization tests on black people in alabama the list is fairly extensive.
To enrich this above statement (which is true). Dairy products did have trace amount of radioactive plutonium from 50's- late 60's.
Again, read "The Plutonium Files".
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What blows me away is the rational given in the quotes of Wynne:
"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne.
Huh?
Wouldnt "wartime situation" = against the enemy?
So, if we're not willing to use it on our citizens we shouldnt be willing to use it against our enemies?
Since when does that logic work?
"(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."
Dang, wouldnt want to be vilified in the world press.
Justification of use against US citizens to avoid the danger of vilification in the world press.
Theres a signpost up ahead...you have just entered The Twilight Zone.
Regards
Sun
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Originally posted by Elfie
I have an idea, why dont we test these non-lethal weapons on this Air Force general?
:aok :aok :aok
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Originally posted by eagl
Sooo many people forget that the US military is completely leashed by civilian leadership... The right to bear arms isn't in there to protect citizens from OTHER CITIZENS.
For further clarification, re-read the first paragraph of the declaration of independence.
I agree eagl. Thats what it says.
However I wonder how well traditional firearms hold up against military heat rays.
Can I get one of these at my local sporting goods store?
Is there a waiting period?
Regards
Sun
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srry dude...when anarchists and lawless people riot (which IS WHAT HAPPENENED at WTO in Seattle) I say zap em with the non lethal stuff. Especially if it helps further our own non lethal weapons programs :)
People who dont obey the law are not welcome in my society. sorry man if that includes you :D
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what was the name of that old helicopter movie. Blue Thunder I think. attack copter made for crowd controll. The military brass tried to stir up crap in the LA slums so the could test it.
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srry dude...when anarchists and lawless people riot (which IS WHAT HAPPENENED at WTO in Seattle) I say zap em with the non lethal stuff.
Why should the military be allowed to *test* weapons on any of our citizens?
If that AF General wants to know that badly how well they work or dont work......the dude can go stand in a corner while the rest of us take turns zapping HIM.
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whitehawk.... I have no idea of what you are talking about. please explain.
lazs
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"That's why I am spearheading the ten million dollar class action suit against Mr. Johnson and his irresponsible selling of a product he didn't even test on prisoners."
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This is why you don't mix the Military with Political Correctness. The military is there to kill people and blow things up. You don't unleash the military unless you need the above to happen. If you get to the point where you must unleash new weapons then you have to accept the fact that it is of paramount importance that you succeed or die.
Experiment on the people who put you in that position.
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Any of you have considered that the citizens would be VOLUNTEERS?
I dont think they'll just pick the next random mob that pops up and turn the zapper on.
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You should've read the article before posing that question.
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Originally posted by Yeager
srry dude...when anarchists and lawless people riot (which IS WHAT HAPPENENED at WTO in Seattle) I say zap em with the non lethal stuff. Especially if it helps further our own non lethal weapons programs :)
People who dont obey the law are not welcome in my society. sorry man if that includes you :D
No one truly obeys the law in the US. They're merely guidelines anyway.
Some lady got killed in Boston, 2004, by a non-lethal weapon. Minding her own business standing in a doorway, shot in the eye by a rubber bullet.
I say we go to Darfur and test it on the rioting crowds there. It's a target-rich environ, and virtually no international press since no one cares what goes on over there anyway.
Using this on Americans is insane...but this DID come from an Airforce general...:confused:
Move along, people...move along...
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Who are the ****nuts that we need to write to? Somebody needs to remind them who their commanders are.
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Originally posted by Sundowner
What blows me away is the rational given in the quotes of Wynne:
"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne.
Huh?
Wouldnt "wartime situation" = against the enemy?
So, if we're not willing to use it on our citizens we shouldnt be willing to use it against our enemies?
Since when does that logic work?
Dang, wouldnt want to be vilified in the world press.
Justification of use against US citizens to avoid the danger of vilification in the world press.
Theres a signpost up ahead...you have just entered The Twilight Zone.
Regards
Sun
so according to his logic We can expect to see landmines, claymores. Artillary and APaches being used on our own citizens.
And the next time we see an OJ type chase we can fully expect it to end via Hellfire or TOW missle?
Or because we arentt willing ot use these things on our own citizens we wont be using them in Wartime either?
World press. That is why we have so many problems. We worry too damn much about being vilified by the world press
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BTW I vote that instead of testing these things out on OUR Ciizens. We instead test it out on Illegal immigrants at the borders,
And Iraqies:)
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I think the simplest solution is to test them at all illegal immigrant demonstrations in the U.S. That way, we're not testing them on citizens and we're testing them inside the U.S. first.
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Best to test it on Congress members families first. If it's non lethal and has no long term effects then no problem, right?
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Not funny when you realize a number of these suffered lifelong mental illness and some even committed suicide DURING the experiments as well as afterwards.
nah, despite that i still find it piss-your-pants funny.