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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Krusty on September 13, 2006, 09:54:42 PM
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Is this possible? I can add something and select the gameport (I have 2) but I don't know what to select -- it doesn't have a pedals option or a "CH Pedals" option, CH Pro Pedals doesn't work at all, when used. If I serial-connect the joystick into the rudder gameport, windows will recognize the joystick, but I can't seem to get the pedals to work.
Old analog gameports, not the "pro" USBs.
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When i did this along time ago i thought there was a check box for rudders when you installed the joystick . The only way i could get mine to work was when i piggy backed it to a joystick
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I just looked when i click ADD in the game controlers tab, under the list of joystick names i have a box that says Enable rudders and Pedals. GL
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I noticed that too. However when I click my joystick (MS Sidewinder auto detect) it greys this box out and it doesn't seem to work when I calibrate the stick afterwards.
Any thoughts?
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Have you tried disabling one of the gameports to leave just the one you want to use. - I am just thinking that there may be some sort of conflict!
If you have a throttle axis on the stick, maybe it is trying to share the same axis as the pedals ? - It is just that I thought the game port analogue connections are hard wired and so when you have 4 correctly wired axis you can use them all. I have no idea if there is a standard that makers follow when using the axis we use for rudder and throttle. I think it all started out by as a way to have two, two axis joysticks connected, but the second stick ended up being used for rudder and throttle.
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Im not sure on this but i think i somewhere read that you cant combine USB and gameport devices......
Might better want to check.
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The pedals are gameport. The joystick is gameport. Sie sind nicht gemischt.
I don't think it's a gameport conflict, because I have one going to the motherboard and one on the SB Audigy. Both work interchangably with the joystick. I even unplugged the joystick to try just the pedals, but I just don't know how to get them in the list of items to add when I select the "add" button.
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hmm i was using tm for awhile i didn have them with stick tho..
use the add 2 axis joy and click the box for pedals.
cali> pedals then open ah select> cali> scale :)
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I think what the people mean is add a new device and click on the check box to also list pedals, then add the most appropiate pedal instead of a joystick. You cant change the type of the device already added..
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It doesn't really have many pedals. It's got a few "control yoke with pedals" and a "CH Pro Pedals" (which doesn't work, these aren't Pro), but no real generic "rudder pedal" entry.
I hope I'm not out of luck here.
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Have you asked here yet ?
Ch forums (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=91)
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Thanks I'll give it a try later today! :aok
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you have to use the Same gameport for the connect .
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I tried putting them in the gameport, and the joystick in them. In fact I might have it that way right now. Only the joystick works. The pedals don't.
I guess I have to wait til I can afford "Pro" pedals :(
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you may have to change the stick reconition off of ms sidewinder and set it up as a 3 axis w/ peds X's the button amount .
OR AE
a 6 button w/pov and throttle
then check the rudder box
OR do a "Custom" setup
whats messing things up is the rudder axis is still in the Stick and on autoconfig for a ms sidewinder its reconizing this axis and not your peds . your gonna have to fool windows into thinking the rudder axis in the stick isnt there .
I know this can be done in win98 ,me, w2k . I'm not shure about XP though.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Im not sure on this but i think i somewhere read that you cant combine USB and gameport devices......
Might better want to check.
I don't know but I know that you can grab you a gameport to USB adapter and it works fine. I run CH USB Fighterstick USB and Throttle Pro USB with my old CH rudder pedals (gameport). There are several gameport to USB adapters on the market and Radio Shack has one that I use. Winblows recognizes it as an USB adapter and you just do the calibration routine and click next until you get to the Z axis section and put it to the numbers and then click finish. Works perfectly.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Roscoroo, I tried that and if it's not the proper hardware, the devices is listed as "not plugged in". So I can't trick it by manually entering the info.
Doc, that doesn't work with these. I don't have the analog "CH pro pedals" -- just analog "CH pedals". These don't slide back and forth, they only pivot in on a single hinge for each footpad. They don't work with the USB adapter (I tried).
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someone ... (insert brain strain here) has a similer set up ... i dont remember if its the usb peds or not .. its one of the p38 guys .. nomad ? maybe nomak, or perhaps del .... or one of the others .. i just dont remember who .
my ms stick was the older ffb and the peds jumped in on analog .
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Originally posted by Krusty
Roscoroo, I tried that and if it's not the proper hardware, the devices is listed as "not plugged in". So I can't trick it by manually entering the info.
Doc, that doesn't work with these. I don't have the analog "CH pro pedals" -- just analog "CH pedals". These don't slide back and forth, they only pivot in on a single hinge for each footpad. They don't work with the USB adapter (I tried).
No I have the regular CH pedals, not the Pro Pedals. They do for me and I know I've seen others in here use em that way.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
ps.. Krusty email me at jaykelley2@comcast.net as I have the same pedals
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Krusty, have you downloaded and installed the CH analog drivers for WindowsXP?
just a thought, you might want to do this and then make sure you have added the device and picked the correct driver, before going into windows ( joystick/gamecontroller setup) and trying to pick and claibrate it.........
all the CH stuff you are seeing in game controller setup, is installed by default when winXP /WinXP updates SP's are initially loaded, nothing for CH analog controllers is installed by default............this could be your problem........
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I'm not sure this will help, but I have CH Pedals (gameport) and a Thustmaster FLCS (gameport) F-16-like stick, and WCS MkII (gameport) throttle, all working in Windows XP Pro on a P4.
My soundcard only has one gameport (so all devices are "daisy chained" together), but windows sees it like this:
Device 1 (I also have a USB gamepad) = 3-axis, 2-button Joytstick
In the properites for this device, I have the checkbox enabled for "Rudder pedals". In the Windows Calibration page, there is the white square where I can move the "X" with the joystick. There's a vertical scale for the throttle, and another vertical scale for the rudder. They all work. If all your devices aren't working in the Windows calibration page, they aren't going to work in any game.
Now then, assuming all the calibration controls are working, you can assign things in AH. For me:
X Axis = Analog Inputs Roll
Y Axis = Analog Inputs Pitch
Throttle = Analog Inputs Throttle
Rudder = Analog Inputs Yaw
And it all works fine. I think the key here is that you don't have Windows seeing all the controls first. If windows won't, then a game won't either.
By the way, if your stick programming software lets you map button presses to keystrokes, AND (maybe) the stick also connects to a keyboard connector, when it really is a two-button joystick as far as windows is concerned. If you are mapping buttons to AH commands within AH, then it is a multibutton stick as far as WIndows is concerned.
Hope this helps,
Llama
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TC: I installed the CH analog drivers. Before I did none of the CH entries showed up in the "Add new" screen. After a lot did, but none for the item I have.
Llama: I'll give that at try later tonight, and see if it helps any.
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Did you try making a "custom" controler in "Game Controllers" in Control Panel ?
I was reading on the Ch Forum , seems you have to have the pedals connected (dasiy chained) to a joystick to get them to work . This is the same that "38ruk" stated above and still holds true .
http://www.stickworks.com/
I do remember that the above web site had a driver that would work pedals "stand alone" I checked and the driver is for WinMe or Win98 .
We used to use this to get a set of peds working by themselves , it's on the download page but it's not for Winxp . Driver for Analog Pedals using Windows ME or DX8.0+ in Win98
Go shop on Ebay for a cheapo Ch or Thrustmaster that has the connection you need then leave the joystick on the floor under your desk , looks like that would be how to do it .
Like "38ruk" said :)
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Originally posted by Krusty
TC: I installed the CH analog drivers. Before I did none of the CH entries showed up in the "Add new" screen. After a lot did, but none for the item I have.
ok, if you still have not gotten it to work, add the device manually ( not from the list ) and choose the option "have disk" to load the analog driver, then point it to where you downloaded/installed the analog driver..........
I am using all analog stuff, currently am using regular CH Pedals, ( i have 2 complete CH fiter stick/throttle/pedal setups 1 with regular CH pedals another with CH pro pedals on WinXP Pro ) and all work very well........
if you plug your stick into them then the pedals into the gameport, the pedals should override the AXIS and work, IMHO........ still need to make sure you got the w/ rudder pedals box checked in controller setup.......
wish you the best of luck
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Well I've tried everything. I tried the stickworks webpage downloads. I tried the different suggestions. None of them work.
I guess they just don't work on XP. If I don't get much help from the CH forum I guess I'll just put them in storage like the previous owner did :lol
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http://cgi.ebay.com/MS-Flight-Sim-98-with-Thrustmaster-Flight-Stick_W0QQitemZ120031564863QQihZ002QQcategoryZ80336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Thrustmaster-Official-TOP-GUN-oystick_W0QQitemZ110034951944QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3677QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Thrustmaster-j-89665-joystick-for-F4-F14-F18-F117_W0QQitemZ270027875571QQihZ017QQcategoryZ49230QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
etc :)
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As noted, you cant tell Windows you are using the Sidewinder. Also, make sure you have Removed the Sidewinder listing from your available joysticks. Your custom configuration HAS to be the first device listed. After you clear the Controller window out, so there are none listed, click Add and select the generic joystick setup you want to use, then click the check box for enable rudders and pedals. That should be the ONLY controller listed.
Also, if you have more than one gameport (which Windows really doesnt like), make sure your gameport is working. With more than one you may have conflicts.
Also, "Pro" doesnt indicate USB. I have "Pro Pedals" but mine are gameport. All the "Pro" means is that they had toe brakes.
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Uh, thanks...
Only I'm not looking for a new stick :cool:
I'm trying to get the pedals working
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Krusty,
just to verify, you said the other guy had put these up on a shelf/or boxed them up for storage? why did he do that? are you sure the pedals are in good working order?
might want to run a check on them with a meter/continuity test of the wires, er um may need some parts replaced possibly?
just a thought since they not working/being noticed
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I think he just went to USB "Pro" pedals when XP came out. I gather folks have some problems getting these pedals to work in XP. *shrug*. He said they worked fine, he just upgraded.
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They work fine in XP, just need a little work to set them up is all. The only function you lose is the toe brakes, and thats mainly due to the design and lack of a modern interface to take advantage of them, not due to XP.
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I was reading on the Ch Forum , seems you have to have the pedals connected (dasiy chained) to a joystick to get them to work . This is the same that "38ruk" stated above and still holds true .
If StarOfAfrica2's fix don't work , you do need at analog game port joystick if your ever gonno use them . Like I wrote look for a cheapo one on eBay :P
Ok gl , I am done here , I told you all that I know on this .
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SOA2, these don't have toe brakes. They dont' slide in and out. they just are essentially 2 big toe brakes (but they work as a rudder).
Airspro, thanks. I already have an analog stick, though, and it doesn't seem to be working. I've got a nibble on the CH forum but not much hope :)
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they have to be "Daisy chained" into the gameport ... or the other solution if your mechanically inclined ... is to do what i did when i converted my old broken panther stick to a saitec usb board .....
I located the twisty rudder axis and wired in a gameport plug to this and then connected the peds to the sticks new gameport plug .... now i plugged the stick into my usb port and it picked up the stick in windows along with all the axis's .
This setup works really great .
the only problem you may run across is if the peds are 2 wire pot or 3 wire .
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So, you're saying open up the stick, and literally bypass the twisty pot with the wires from the pedals? As if it's all part of the same unit?
I think my skills are up to that level but I have no soldering iron. I'd also be unsure which wires to use from the gameport of the pedals to hotwire them into the circuit board of the stick.
Also, these pedals each move independently. I don't honestly know how this works in-game, as I can't get them running. They don't have a bar with a central pivot. My guess is it averages out the input of both (i.e. both fully depressed = centered. 1 fully depressed, other 1/2 depressed means it's only 25% depressed on the full pedal -- something like that).
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Could the fact that I'm using a MS Sidewinder have anything to do with it? This is an optical stick, sensor-wise. Isn't there something where this stick uses multiple frequencies on the same pins, or something?
When I look at the gameport plug on my Sidewinder's cable, not all of the pins are present. It works fine, it just doesn't use all the pins.
Think maybe that's the problem? The pedals need all the pins to finish the circuit?
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I remember it was quite impossible to have an external rudder with a sidewinder (don't ask me why I've a CH now) the only working flawlessly where the simped
I'll try to dig some informations.
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Hrm.. is it the sidewinder or the pedals? Where lies the flaw?
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i'll do some digging thru all my schematics and see what i can come up with .
Ive got most of the MS ones .
I'll have your desk looking like
"This" (http://s90945482.onlinehome.us/roosite/Secret%20link%20folder/Frankenroostick.jpg) in no time at all :D
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according to this http://www.joy-stick.net/FAQ.htm#Microsoft
it simply don't work with a sidewinder
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
i'll do some digging thru all my schematics and see what i can come up with .
Ive got most of the MS ones .
I'll have your desk looking like
"This" (http://s90945482.onlinehome.us/roosite/Secret%20link%20folder/Frankenroostick.jpg) in no time at all :D
No! I'll NEVER join you! *leaps off ledge*
Straffo:
Q. Can I use an external throttle and/or rudder with my MS Controller?
A. The short, simple answer is NO. MS does not support external devices. A number (small number) of people have had success after much tweaking, trial and error and luck using an additional re-addressable gameport.
SHAZBOT!
And here I thought I'd found the perfect low-budget joystick out there. I've had little trouble with it since I got it some time ago.
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Just purchase a cheap gameport to usb converter from radio shack or equiv, plug your peds into that. Most converters have 4 seperate stick types they can emulate. Pick one which has a Z axis, XP will see it, and calibrate as per normal. XP doest care that it never sees X or Y axis inputs.
Thats exactly what i have (analog CH peds on converter) and use. Couldnt be simpler.
My conveter is called a RockFire - google that or just go to radioshack.
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When you go into Game Controllers, go to Properties and then Axis Settings.
I'm running CH analog CombatStick/ProThrottle/ProPedals and when I first installed XP could not see the throttle. Not the ProThrottle with the stick plugged into it, nor the throttle on the stick when using the stick alone.
I noticed the throttle position indicator was always at the top and wouldn't move.
I clicked all the axis boxes to invert and applied and then clicked them back to center and applied.
It all worked after that. I don't pretend to know why.
Good luck.