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I'll post this and want your reactions from it, it is from the Hal Turner Show:
Blood in the Streets?
Report By Hal Turner - Posted: 11.12.00
Source: The Hal Turner Show
While Gore supporters are holding protests in the streets, Bush supporters are buying bullets at gun shops. In the three days since the U.S. General Election, ammunition sales throughout the United States have jumped an
astonishing nine-hundred percent (900%). Americans are furious over massive, blatant and widespread vote fraud by supporters of Al Gore and many are openly talking about "blood in the streets."
Voter fraud in Tuesdays general election has Radio Talk Shows throughout the United States burning up with callers who are openly speaking about civil insurrection, blood in he streets, state secession from the Union and wondering aloud whether President Bill Clinton will use this election debacle as an excuse to remain in power after his term expires on January 20, 2001.
Such talk is not limited to fanatics; U.S. Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX), lent credibility to the prospects of violence when he was asked tonight on radio station WBCQ if President Clinton would use this situation to remain in power. Responding to that query, Rep. Paul stated "Six months ago, I thought the idea was preposterous. Now I'm not so sure. The people would come out and there would be total violence."
Here's a brief list of just some of the fraud:
Tens of thousands of U.S. Military personnel around the world were unable to cast ballots for the first time in US History because their Military Absentee ballots "got lost in the mail." In past elections, the Military voted 9:1 in favor of Republicans.
Thousands of non-US Citizens - who cannot legally vote - were sent letters by President Bill Clinton just days before the election, informing them they had registered, and even providing them with Voter Identification Cards to sign and use when voting! These mailings were sent to states with large Latino populations such as California,
possibly allowing enough non-citizens to vote and sway the election.
In New York City, voting machines were tampered with, disabling the Republican voting levers. When voters came out of the malfunctioning voting booths and sought a paper ballot, it let polling workers know the voter was going to vote Republican because those were the only levers that weren't working. A television news crew caught
Democrat vote counters in Brooklyn, New York throwing thousands of paper ballots into garbage dumpsters -resulting in thousands of Republican votes disappearing.
Also in New York, registered Republican voters were told in hundreds of polling places they were no longer registered to vote. Those persons were offered a paper "provisional ballot" but when those ballots were filled out, Poll workers refused to place the Ballots in a locked box.
In the Albuquerque, New Mexico area, computerized voting machines were reprogrammed so that votes were not
counted whenever anyone cast ballots for all candidates from the same political party! Upwards of 68,000 votes may have been reprogrammed out of existence.
In Michigan, Gore campaign workers were paying drunks and homeless hobos with cigarettes if those people would register to vote and cast a ballot for Gore.
In Missouri, polling places in heavy Democrat areas remained open up to four hours after the legal time, allowing those Democrats to cast ballots.
In New Jersey, hundreds of voters in urban Democrat areas like Hudson and Essex County, were jammed into the hallways at the County Boards of Elections, casting absentee or provisional ballots hours after the polls legally closed.
The media a willing participant.
Just minutes after voting places on the east coast closed, major news networks began "calling' the race. But when the networks "called" Florida as being won by Al Gore, they did so despite the fact that a portion of that state is in the Central time zone and those polling places were still open.
These premature "call" of Florida by the media caused tens-of-thousands of voters in the affluent Republican area of the Florida panhandle, to leave polling places without voting because they thought Gore had already won.Florida is now the key state in the Presidential race.
False Claims of fraud in Palm Beach County, Florida Democrats have been complaining wildly about alleged fraud in Palm Beach County, Florida, where 19,000 ballots were allegedly discarded because voters punched ballots for two Presidential candidates. Punching the ballot for two Presidential candidates automatically voids the ballot.
But it is now surfacing that many or most of the 19,000 discarded ballots were, in fact, lawfully and properly replaced when voters who made the mistake came out of the voting booth, requested and received replacement
ballots then cast a proper vote!
Leftist Gore supporters and the media are ignoring this fact, spurring outrage by conservatives that the truth is being
suppressed and causing minorities in that county to take to the to the streets demanding a re-vote. Such a re-vote is
not only illegal under Florida law, it is also illegal under federal law. (3 U.S.C. 1)
Putting this in perspective, even if the 19,000 votes were all discarded and not counted, those votes would only represent four percent (4%) of the total votes cast in that County, meaning ninety-six percent of the other voters in the County did it correctly.
As a result of all this election fraud, Bush supporters are convinced that Gore, with Clinton's help, is stealing the US Presidential election. Bush supporters are going to gun stores in large numbers and buying large amounts of ammunition for their guns. Many are openly saying they will not allow Al Gore to steal the election and are calling those who support Gore "the enemy."
Not since the early 1860's prior to the Civil War has the US population been so divided and openly talking about violent civil warfare. Radio callers are making unprecedented open and public calls to employ the Second
Amendment (right to keep and bear arms) to protect the integrity of the Constitution and of the Bush election.
This election has pitted brother against brother, parent against child, young against old, white against black, Gentile against Jew. The anger is palatable and the situation grows steadily worse.
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 11-14-2000).]
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Rip:
Dunno if any of the above is true or not but one thing has been known for quite some time:
The Clinton/Gore creeps have used race-baiting etc., as a tactic from the beginning. Anyone who disagrees with the Leftist-Democrats(and their Media accomplices) is a "racist", a "homophobe", a "reactionary", a "redneck", a "fascist", etc.
Is it any wonder the country is sharply, perhaps dangerously, divided?
To paraphrase George Will(In regards to the Clinton/Gore people):
Things won't get better until these people go.
Cabby
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It ain't worth killing each other over. I'd rather give it to gore and make his term hell.
Eagler
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Anyone who disagrees with the Leftist-Democrats(and their Media accomplices) is a "racist", a "homophobe", a "reactionary", a "redneck", a "fascist", etc.
Well, duh. Of course not everyone who disagrees with the left is any of the above.
But you have no compunction about lumping everyone who disagrees with the right as being "Communists, bleeding hearts, cry babies, unAmerican, etc..."
The extremists on both the left and the right are giving everyone else with an objective mind a bad name.
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Rip I believe it, with the way tensions are running these days. Alot of people are unhappy with Gore's attempted theft of the presidency.
I dinnae need to go buy ammo, got plenty on hand, though I do need to go load my speed loaders up. If the shooting is gonna start, ya damn well better believe I'll be prepared to protect friends and family (though not actually launch attacks on them Gorons (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ).
Eagler, I pretty much agree, I dinnae really think it's worth killing over either. But the country is damn near split down the middle, and all appearences have Clinton/Gore tossing the constitution out the window in thier quest to remain in power. That's likely to set some people off, and could lead to another civil war.
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I hope this thing does not get too much out of control in the next few days. There are more than enough psychos out there who just might decide that if the bad guy wins, he's a goner. And I mean on both sides, whoever wins. Now *that* would be bad.
Fury
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banana, where have you been??? Are you asleep??
The Liberal-Left use hyperbolic rhetoric as a matter-of-course every damn day with no one in the Media(hell, they agree with the Libs) holding them accountable for their slurs. It's a matter of policy for these creeps to character-assassinate/slur their opponents.
This is an assualt on Freedom by the freakin' Liberal-Left and i will use their tactics against them. Why should Conservatives play by the rules with a group of thugs to whom the rules don't mean anything??? Wake up!!!
And if that offends you, or any one else, that's too effluff'n bad.
Cabby
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Originally posted by Fury:
I hope this thing does not get too much out of control in the next few days. There are more than enough psychos out there who just might decide that if the bad guy wins, he's a goner. And I mean on both sides, whoever wins. Now *that* would be bad.
Fury
This is exactly why the US is allowed to vote for 'Dead candidates' as someone from Euro so blantantly laughed about...the law is there to prevent someone from saying "Well it wouldn't be so if he were dead!"...I agree with the law, usually, a spouse can carry on the wishes of a loved one that ran in a race since its the cabinet around that loved one that helps carry the torch, not the spouse themselves, they are pretty much a prop for the beliefs of the candidate.
I worried that we might have another Federal Building episode on our hands if Gore gets elected, there are just as many extreme right wing groups out there as the left...
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Well folks, as a Canadian with most of his family in the USA, this concerns me greatly. America is the greatest and most powerful nation in the world. What happens when states start talking secession, and in fact taking steps in this direction? Caos, at best.
Also remember, the US's many enemies ARE seeing this as a perfect opportunity to strike. I for one am glad the populace seems to be arming itself, because if any of the rumbles I've heard from friends have any truth to them at all, and if America keeps spiraling down this path, there could well be hell to pay for all of us.
I've lost a lot of $ in the market in the last week, and that is reason enough for this crap to stop, and one of the candidates to go down in history as a political hero be conceding. I just hope it's Gore that does it, since the planet can't take another 4 years of a democrat ruling the world.
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"I've lost a lot of $ in the market in the last week,..snip"
So have I, but I learned from dad along time ago to diversify, therefore the losses are nothing compared to the gains over the long term. Mutual Funds. Bonds. I only carry 40% of my portfolio in high risk stocks.ie. science and technology, etc. The rest is blue chip, and a small portion is bonds. Still a risky portfolio if you compare it to my fathers over his working career...he actually kept a portion of his in precious metals, but then again, in the early 60's with the cuban missile crisis, alot were doing the same.
There I go again, hi-jacking my own thread.
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Hmmm....maybe a secession isnt such a bad idea. Texas still has that right. It was kept when we joined the Union. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Geez,
Well this is the moment you have all been waiting for. Get out yer gun Paw, wur goin to fight.
How dissapointing is this.
Disgusted
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Originally posted by F4UDOA:
Geez,
Well this is the moment you have all been waiting for. Get out yer gun Paw, wur goin to fight.
How dissapointing is this.
Disgusted
FYI, this is how revolutions begin, when the law is not upheld. It is yet to see if it upheld or not.
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The liberal obsession with gun control is beginning to make sense (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Blood in the streets? Revolution? Civil War?
Only half the people in America voted. 50%.
Only half of those voted for Bush. 25%.
Let's be generous and say that a whole half of those people would be willing to run through the streets firing automatic weapons. 12%.
Y'all would get yer tulips kicked (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Btw - last poll I saw in Newsweek was that over 65% of Americans wanted this process continue to it's conclusion, no matter what the result.
Republicans are in the minority in the Bush/Gore election, and you guys are in the minority on this blood in the streets nonsense. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
All kidding aside, this is pretty sickening.
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Well, just as a matter of perspective, there are many instances where state law is not upheld when the federal judiciary decides those laws are unconstitutional. Brown vs. the Board of Education in Topeka, Kansas for example, where the federal government finally began putting an end to state-mandated racial segregation. Of course, the federal government had to drag some states through desegregation kicking and screaming. Interestingly enough, that was the beginning of a similarly divisive time in American history. It wouldn't surprise me to see rioting and civil unrest over this. But a revolution? Doubtful.
I am not trying to compare any attempts by Gore to tear down this afternoon's deadline to the necessary and noble cause of ending segregation. I think he's perverting the process for personal gains if he chooses to fight this one further. I am only saying that Federal courts examining and overturning state law is a regular occurence and in and of itself isn't heinous. States are not infallible, and there have been times when the federal government has been a catalyst for positive changes in this country by overruling what state legislators have deemed right and just.
I'd be much more worried about the future if the federal government somehow lost that ability.
Gordo
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Heh, Nash, there are doomsayers on both sides, the democratic extremists are of the move to Canada mind, the republican extremists are of the secede mind.
The rest of us will go about our business regardless, and vote again next time hoping there's a big enough spread to avoid going through this again (and consider an amendment adding excessive litigation as a capital offense (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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Heh yah, exactly right. I think the biggest thing to blame for this mess, is that both of these two gentlemen suck equally.... too equally (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Rip,
If you think that this non-sense is worth even considering armed retaliation then you should consider giving up your gun. You might hurt somebody and it certainly won't change anything.
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"It is not hard to do the right thing. It is hard to know what the right thing is to do. Once you know what the right thing is, it is hard not to do it"
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Heh, good points, Fatty/Nash.
Gordo
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Nash, are you by any chance voting NDP?
I don't think anyone here is saying they are going to go on a rampage if they don't like the result of the election process, but there is a good chance somebody will. Besides, what will CNN have to cover if there isn't backlash after this fiasco.
Speaking of which, CNN (communist national network) just said that in the State of New Mexico, in event of a close (?? .5 of 1 % or some crap) result the winner can be decided by a coin toss, but both parties must agree on the coin, the coin-thrower, and the side called. ROFL!
I say they settle all this BS right now that way, the NASDAQ is under 3k for keerist's sake.
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NDP? Cheeeeyah riiiight. To be honest, I'd vote for your man Klein in a second over any of the choices we currently have.
Americans think *they've* got it bad... Yegads....
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Originally posted by Nash:
Btw - last poll I saw in Newsweek was that over 65% of Americans wanted this process continue to it's conclusion, no matter what the result.
A good start is not to waste your time reading Newsweek, very left
All kidding aside, this is pretty sickening.
Scary is the word. I feel though as this drags on the possibility of a nutcase showing his bellybutton grows increasing possible..
Eagler
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I`ve never been a proponet of gun control,but reading this kind of crap can make a person reconsider that stance. I`ll guarantee if it does come to gunplay in the streets over which of these crooked scum-bags wins the Presidency that will be the end of legal firearm ownership in the US.
Another thing that bothers me is the Republican/Democrat animosity spewed by looneys like Cabby,WTF-do you people buy into the party line all the way?
I registered as a democrat 21 years ago-but I`ve voted for the democratic presidential candidate exactly 2x times in those years,it amazes me that anyone would buy into the drivel these professional crooks spew,what ever happened to voting for the issues-and not the party? God gave you a mind-use it!
I don`t think either of these dirt bags should represent our country at this point.
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Jihad:
Any one with a handle such as "Jihad" should steer away from calling anyone "looney".
The rest of your post is complete BS as well.
Cabby
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ammunition sales throughout the United States have jumped an
astonishing nine-hundred percent (900%).
Hunting season?
I admit to not reading newspapers, well the comics sometimes and not watching tv much. I do see coworkers and customers at work and see people in stores and such. No one is talking about the election and the few I asked about it basically replied "yawn".
All the newsgroups and BBSs I read are pretty quiet, except this one with its dozen or so extremists. Go ahead, grab your guns and run into the streets. It will be over quick and this board will return to its normal self.
A popular saying during my high school years, about 69ish or so. America, love it or leave it.
"yawn"
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I agree with the hunting season angle. (http://smilecwm.tripod.com/ut2/enforcer.gif) Deer season starts tomorrow here in Michigan and I imagine there are other seasons going or opening soon around the country. Sounds like someone could be twisting the numbers..
To all politician/media types involved in this farce, spin this.. (http://members.aol.com/stevekempfpfg/boid.gif)
cp
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This gets the award for the stupidest thread I have ever seen.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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I say Gore and Bush have a cage-match
10Bears--
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Hehe Pyro,
Welcome to the O' Club circa 2000 election. This thread is just the tip of the iceberg. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)