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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Noir on September 14, 2006, 05:58:55 PM
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All is in the title, what planes and vehs would you guys see in the early arena ?
Think of roles we miss like a TRUE stuka for gv hunting (we got no big caliber planes in there yet), we need also a tank that can compete with the T34....and more :aok
And BTW why the TBM-3 is in there, it saw action in 1942 right ?
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Since the T-34 is there, I am assuming '39-'41 and possibly '42 vehicles would be in the early war. Thus, a representative sample:
Brit: Matilda II and III (armored, slow) and Crusader (less armor, faster).
Both with 2 lbr and 3inch howitzer variants.
French: Hotchkiss (?) 35 and/or 39 (37mm guns)
German: Pzkw38(t) or PzkwIII(E) (both w/ 37mm guns), PzkwIV(D) (low velocity 75mm howitzer)
Russia: T-26, BT-7 (very fast) (both with 45mm guns)
KV-1 (perked)
If '42 included, M-4 Sherman, M-3 Stuart and PzkwIII(J) (50mm gun).
If HTC can/will code vehicles with bow mounted main armaments:
US: M-3 Lee/Grant, Maybe a halftrack with a 75mm gun.
French Char B1-bis (perked for rarity)
British: Churchill MK1 (possibly perked due to heavy armor?)
German: StGIII(B).
To replace or suppliment the M-3, we should have a German SPW 251 halftrack (honestly can't remember the correct name for these -- I always called them "spitwads"), and a British Bren Carrier with a capacity of 5 troops.
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P-36
P-35
P-39
P-47D-5
CR-42
Macci 200
Defiant
Gladiator
Ki43
Nate
MiG3
Yak3
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F4U-1 should be moved to the early war. Entered combat 2/43. There's already birds in that arena that didn't see action until AFTER the Corsair arrived.
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Sax, it would probably have to be perked, don't you think. Geez the P-38G is--I never thought I'd see the day...
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So what? I'd pay it. Then I can have my Hog AND have more options than dying to the same guy over and over again, or dying to a horde.
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I want to see:
Brewster Buffalo
Halifax
He-111
Hs-129 (Late-war variants had a 75mm cannon!)
Il-4
LaGG-3
MIG-3
A5M
KI-43
B-25
Pe-2
I-16
Sundeland
SU-2
Whitley
P-39
PBY Catalina
Blenheim
Beaufighter
TBD Devastator
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Can I have my
(http://membres.lycos.fr/fass3d/rnl/Wirbelwind.jpg)
and
(http://www.ipmsfinland.org/galleria/referenssit/flak36/kuvat/07.jpg)
now ?
P.S. I promise to be responsible with them :D
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what are the guns on that wirbelwind ?
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Originally posted by Saxman
F4U-1 should be moved to the early war. Entered combat 2/43. There's already birds in that arena that didn't see action until AFTER the Corsair arrived.
Im reading the Wikipedia encyclopedia and it says here that f4u was delivered to the navy in 1942, 1943 f6f-3 was around too. the early arena might have to add some blue to the plane set.
P40 had more variants, the n model was the last and best variant and it was flying in 43.
All u guys have everything else i could have though of. Did anybody put down the panther?? i noe that has been one people have been asking for.
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Originally posted by Noir
what are the guns on that wirbelwind ?
Quad 20mm.
More specifically, 2cm Flakvierling 38.
Before the question is asked, the Ostwind has a 3.7 cm FlaK 43. Bigger range, more punch per shell, but slower rate of fire than the quad mount (obviously).
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Originally posted by bkbandit
All u guys have everything else i could have though of. Did anybody put down the panther?? i noe that has been one people have been asking for.
Panther was introduced in 1943, I would assume it to be a mid-war, not early-war vehicle. Besides, they are going for "balance" in their set-ups. You might as well add the Tiger and PzkwIV(H) to the early war if you want a Panther.
Heck, for simplicity sake and as a stopgap, I would accept adding the Panzer H as a perked vehicle in the Early War arena, just to add a little variety.
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Looked at HiTech's break down of the eras. Don't think we'll see a Hog in the early war... Looks like the cutoff is mid '42
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If the break is mid war some plane models we have are border line on the calendar, like TBM-3 and maybe Ju88-A4 (Ju's earlier versions are faster if my memory is good)
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As I understand, Stoney, the FW-190A5 is in the early war arena as a Perk, and that was AUGUST 1943.
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I think it would be neat to have a Wirbelwind, just it probably ought to be perked. Four 20mm's blazing away would be incredibly powerful against lowflying aircraft.
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Originally posted by Saxman
As I understand, Stoney, the FW-190A5 is in the early war arena as a Perk, and that was AUGUST 1943.
so wheres the blue, p40 is cool and believe it or not i do well in it, but some blue would be wat my doctor ordered:aok
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Originally posted by skysnipr
I think it would be neat to have a Wirbelwind, just it probably ought to be perked. Four 20mm's blazing away would be incredibly powerful against lowflying aircraft.
Wirbelwind was first build July 1944
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Fw-190A-5 should be removed in AH and make way for 190A-3 and A-6. 190A-5 in real life is a pig compare to the nimbler Fw-190A-3 and 190A-6. Pls
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Originally posted by skysnipr
I think it would be neat to have a Wirbelwind, just it probably ought to be perked. Four 20mm's blazing away would be incredibly powerful against lowflying aircraft.
Last time I looked the Tiffy, N1ki and several others have four 20mm guns?
Why cant I ?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Beaufighter
http://www.acepilots.com/planes/p39_airacobra.html
http://www.warbirdalley.com/p39.htm
http://www.warbirdalley.com/buffalo.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_LaGG-3
http://www.pioneeraero.co.nz/lagg-3_lavochkin.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yak-1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-36_Hawk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polikarpov_I-16
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircr...ator/index.html <--- Gladiator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_Wellington
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Stirling
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handley_Page_Halifax
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Manchester
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorts_Sunderland
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Originally posted by Saxman
As I understand, Stoney, the FW-190A5 is in the early war arena as a Perk, and that was AUGUST 1943.
Agreed, but I think they're substituting the A5 for the A3 maybe. Similar to the F6F-5 vs. the F6F-3 in the mid-war. The -5 Hellcat doesn't fit the mid-war dates either. Not enough of an expert on how the different planes performed other than the -5 had a bit more power than the -3. Not sure about the difference in the A5 vs. A3...
The F4U-1 would be a monster in the early war...
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Originally posted by MOIL
Can I have my
and
now ?
P.S. I promise to be responsible with them :D
(http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg)
Just kidding.
You can have a pony.
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It's kind of hard to figure out what would be good for the EWA, because all the planes that were too crappy to survive for a second in the old MA now have a shot at usefulness in the EWA. Probably the same to a lesser degree in the MWA.
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the lesser degree is the point, I've flown the EAW for some hours now and you can take the crappiest ride like a Ju87 and don't feel naked as a few planes are able to come straight from 10k to ground without dieing. None of them can use 30mms, and only a few would be able to take you out in 1 pass, not to motion the lighter player concentration and the fact that the Ju87 can have a chance of using his rear in some situations now (It was just decoration before). In those conditions the TBM is no joke on level bombing (why is it there ?), as only 2K is required to bust a hangar.
In a Ju88 formation you can kill 7 hangars in there. I used salvo 1 with 500kgs, and salvo 7 with 50's, at 10k high. No wonder the lancs are perked in there 8). The Ju88 is quite an opponent for the fighters now and a top notch bomber would like to know when the A-4 version came out), but we need a british and russian medium bomber to equilibrate. I think that the planes that we have in there were really the cream of this time period, and I wouldn't be surprised that even crappier planes will be introduced in AH. If we do get new plane someday
:cry
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Originally posted by scottydawg
(http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg)
Just kidding.
You can have a pony.
:lol :rofl :lol :rofl :D
"yer killin' me Smalls"
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Originally posted by bkbandit
Im reading the Wikipedia encyclopedia and it says here that f4u was delivered to the navy in 1942, 1943 f6f-3 was around too. the early arena might have to add some blue to the plane set.
P40 had more variants, the n model was the last and best variant and it was flying in 43.
All u guys have everything else i could have though of. Did anybody put down the panther?? i noe that has been one people have been asking for.
If we actually had THE EARLY WAR planes, we would then have almost zero participation from the american planes existing in AH today...
I mean, if we really devide the war in to three parts, we will have the summer -39 to summer -41, summer -41 to summer -43, summer -43 to summer -45. So you can scrap your f4us, f6f's and P40n's AND FW190's, they all belong to the MWA.
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Hitech said the era splits are:
beginning to mid-42: early war
mid-42 to early 44: mid war
early 44 to end: late war
F4U-1 and F6F-5 belong in mid and late respectively, based on historical appearance in combat. However, an F6F-3 would go in mid-war, but we don't have one, so I'm thinking they just substituted. Unless the splits change, I'd say the breakdown of aircraft in each era is correct--except for whatever substitutions they made...There's a similar thread on the P-47--folks wanting to see one in the early war. No jug saw combat before early '43, so no jug in early.
My two cents...
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Most useful model added would be P39. We could have a D model for the EWA and a Q model for MWA. For events and AvA this covers PTO, MTO plus a "russian" plane.
We also need some more Jap planes that fit EWA and events.
When Hellcats are upgraded to the new standard they'll likely give us F6F-3 and F6F-5 for MWA and LWA. Though the A2A capability is very similar making the -5 substitue for the -3 in MWA, the -5 is a much better JABO.
Bozon
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Mosquito B.Mk IV and Mosquito F.Mk II.
Learn why the Mossie had the reputation that it did.
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yeah give us a real fast mossie, and a 56mm fitted mossie )
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Well, it isn't that the B.Mk IV is fast compared to mid and late war fighters, but that it is very fast compared to early war fighters. 380mph at 21,000ft makes it very hard for a Bf109F-4 or Fw190A-3 to scramble and intercept.
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has anybody thought hat the talk of new planes for 3 arenas could be just a smoke screen to stop you complaining about he new set up?
everyones going oh great now we will get this and we will get that,how long did it take to get new planes for the old MA when they waasnt working on combat tour?
I just hope for once they do what they say and get some new aircraft.
and why hey are at it how about adding IA aircraft to the arenas when the numbers are really low?
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Well dividing the old MA in to three parts is not very clever if one of them will have only very limited plane setup (or nothing) to offer like EAW some ways today has. And there for lacking the participancy as well.
If I may be frank, whats described above would really be the ultimate f*ck up: Deny the numbers, divide the community and spread it into three arenas, one of which does not offer anything...
So HTC MUST have had in mind also the further adding of early war planes when they decided on this new MA setup. If nothing else, it will bring the "craappy" planes back alive, while the old MA killed them in sight.
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Who cares about TOD ? Escorting drones must be boring.
Bring drone fighters to MA ? NO WAY, If you want to fight drones go offline or play IL2, I don't even want to think more about IA's in MA ><
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The A-36 Apachee
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Invader:mad: :mad: :mad: