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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Deth7 on September 15, 2006, 01:11:11 PM
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Can't wait.......Jets with air brakes are the best!!!!!
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Originally posted by Deth7
Can't wait.......Jets with air brakes are the best!!!!!
Yeah, but yer MiG is gonna be my chew-toy :)
culero (Sabres rool!)
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Something tells me you will be waiting.
But yeah, I could easily see a F86 and a Mig15 tooling around in AH.
Lets hope we see it!
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Deth7 and I, along with many others, used to really enjoy dueling that matchup back at AW. It was actually my favorite thing there.
culero
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Ya and you got like twice the flights in compared to props. Didn't grab much got to the fight quick, got home quick slammed on the brakes landed
Rinse repeat:cool:
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Ya but yer still a steenking MiG driver :)
culero (MiGs must die!)
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Originally posted by culero
Ya but yer still a steenking MiG driver :)
culero (MiGs must die!)
Hey!!!!
MiG
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Should be exciting! I'd definitely do some Sabre action!
The WWI era would be fun if they do that as well.
Hmm, I guess even if they did expand outside of WWII, they wouldn't add Vietnam era... or would they??? Missles!!! :D
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guided weapons would be a beyatch..
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Don't forget there were a lot more airplanes in Korea besides the MiG 15 and F-86 although both of these outclassed everything else. The US Navy had jets but had stuck with straight wings due to stall characteristics of early swept wings (kind of a problem for CV ops) so couldn't reach the speeds of the 86 and 15. All the prop jobs were either leftovers from WWII or planes that were in development but weren't finished in time for the big one. The jets would be cool but you have to remember that all were woefully underpowered (by today's standards) and, with the exception of the F-89, none had afterburner so they would not be a heck of a lot better than the 262. Anyone expecting to be flying something that perfoms like an F-16 would be disappointed.
This would be an almost complete representation of the Korean combat planes:
F-86 Sabre. The F-51 for you Pony drivers....and the F-82 Twin Mustang for you real hardcore recidivist Pony guys. Also the F-84 Thunderjet, F-80 Shooting Star, F-89 Scorpion (with afterburner!) and Meteor.
Bomber guys would finally get...drum role....a B-29. Also the B-36 and B-26B/C Invader. (Let the n00k discussions begin).
Navy Bubas would get the AD, F-4U, F9F Panther, F2H Banshee, F3D Skynight, F7F Tigercat, SeaFury Mk11, SeaFire Mk47 (still had .303s!), FireFly, and TBM.
You commie types get the MiG-15, Yak-9, LA-9, IL-10, Tu-2, Yak-18, and Po-2 (an ugly little bi-plane)
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Originally posted by CMC Airboss
Hey!!!!
MiG
LOL! :)
culero (hiyas MiG, thanks again for Seattle!)
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Originally posted by Mace2004
SeaFire Mk47 (still had .303s!)
Seafire F.47 never carried .303s. It was armed with four 20mm cannons.
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The sabre and mig were true jet dogfighters and got to speed much faster than a 262...and don't forget the air brakes
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Someone say Panther Jets? OH YEA!
Slot
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Originally posted by Deth7
Can't wait.......Jets with air brakes are the best!!!!!
"Talk to me Goose"
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this would rock. I want to see this. the f86 and mig 15 were the last gun fighters
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Originally posted by Mace2004
F7F Tigercat
The only reason for me to venture into that arena...
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Sea Fury pwns!
On August 8, 1952, British pilot Peter Carmichael downed a MiG-15 jet fighter in air to air combat (though some sources claim a second MiG) when his flight of four Sea Furies was jumped by eight MiGs. During the engagement two other MiGs were damaged; all of the Sea Furies returned unharmed.
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F4U-5
Hawker SeaFury
P51-H
P-82
F7F-3
La9
Yak3
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Originally posted by bkbandit
this would rock. I want to see this. the f86 and mig 15 were the last gun fighters
F8U Crusader v MiG19 were the last of the gunfighters
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We don't even have CT yet. I wouldn't get too eager for Korea.
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korea then nam. Nam you would have F106 - f104 , AC130 , mig21, mig 17 , F4 , F6 . the A2 . it would be great. Bombers would have the B52 and Vigilanty, the A6 would just be there too. And a whole squad of Hueys and cobras flying down a deep valley with some Iggy Pop blasting out. Roll on the extra eras
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I have to say Korean Era is quite exciting, even though the engines of the Jets were still slightly more ealiable they were very prone to flameouts if abused, also the spool up time of these jets even though theywere slightly faster were still slower than jets of the Vietnam era, and were mainly BNZ.
The Migs ruled high and the Sabres Drooled low :D It will b extra exciting to see these top rivals with a slight perk fight each other , even though there were many more jets than WW2 prop planes still flew many sorties, so that
s why I think there should be a slight perk penalty for these two types or as the war progresses there should be the varying degree of improvements made to the sabre and Mig jets with a slight perk increase.
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Originally posted by Mace2004
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This would be an almost complete representation of the Korean combat planes:
F-86 Sabre. The F-51 for you Pony drivers....and the F-82 Twin Mustang for you real hardcore recidivist Pony guys. Also the F-84 Thunderjet, F-80 Shooting Star, F-89 Scorpion (with afterburner!) and Meteor.
Bomber guys would finally get...drum role....a B-29. Also the B-36 and B-26B/C Invader. (Let the n00k discussions begin).
Navy Bubas would get the AD, F-4U, F9F Panther, F2H Banshee, F3D Skynight, F7F Tigercat, SeaFury Mk11, SeaFire Mk47 (still had .303s!), FireFly, and TBM.
You commie types get the MiG-15, Yak-9, LA-9, IL-10, Tu-2, Yak-18, and Po-2 (an ugly little bi-plane) [/B]
Air Warrior Jet arena was lots of fun ....
But with a line up of planes listed above with CV's, this would make one hell of a good game ...:aok
No perks , no Nukes ...
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theres gunna be Korea added?
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Originally posted by Mace2004
Bomber guys would finally get...drum role....a B-29. Also the B-36 and B-26B/C Invader. (Let the n00k discussions begin).
B-36 never saw action in Korea. US command thought it to be too risky for one to be shot down over korea and have the USSR get their hands on it!
As far as i know.....
Could be wrong....
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Originally posted by storch
F8U Crusader v MiG19 were the last of the gunfighters
:aok
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I just hope HTC fills the fairly substantial gaps in the WWII plane / gv sets first . . .
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Originally posted by Karnak
Seafire F.47 never carried .303s. It was armed with four 20mm cannons.
Just a web source and obviously wrong given the next pic (http://www.korean-war.com/KWAircraft/British/supermarine_seafire.html)
Great pic....contra-rotating props...slick...and obviously four Hispanos (http://www.ezellaviation.com/Photos/Seafire/Full/9315%20%20SEAFIRE_jpg.jpg)
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Don't forget the A-1 Skyraider. That's the baby to use for ground attack.
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Originally posted by Deth7
Can't wait.......Jets with air brakes are the best!!!!!
HiYa DETH7 I cant believe your still flying sims ! I remember you from way back when the Pig Stompers were in DoA. Salute again >
Taurus45
formerly java45
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Originally posted by Deth7
The sabre and mig were true jet dogfighters and got to speed much faster than a 262...and don't forget the air brakes
The Me-262 had about a .3 thrust to weight ratio and the F-86 about .4 T/W so there's not a significant amount of difference in available thrust. Problem with jet engines (especially early ones) is the spool-up time (time from idle to maximum RPM) and the fact that they are inefficient at low speeds producing little thrust and why they have relatively poor level acceleration. For instance, props are much better at accelerating from 0-100 than a non-afterburning jet is, that's why we have afterburners and catapults (and why the USAF loves their 2-mile long runways). The only advantage the early jets had over props was speed and that's about it. There's no doubt that the F-86 and MiG-15 were better than the Me-262 in all respects but the differences are relatively small and nothing like the difference between an F-86 and an F-16 (1.1 T/W ratio).
Absolutely right about the speedbrakes, makes a ton of difference with jets, I'm surprised the German's didn't think of them.
Mace
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Originally posted by Hornet33
Don't forget the A-1 Skyraider. That's the baby to use for ground attack.
LOL Hornet...I didn't, I couldn't since my Dad flew them. Before Congress forced the Navy to change to the USAF aircraft designations the A-1 was the Douglas AD. The Navy called it the Able Dog or Spad...don't know how the USAF came up with "Sandy"....sounds a little gay don't u think? Lol
Oh...BTW....did I mention it could carry a n00k?
Mace
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Originally posted by Deth7
Can't wait.......Jets with air brakes are the best!!!!!
permission to buzz the tower.
-MrD
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If HTC makes a Korea game then they should model "flameouts" on jets.
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Yo Taurus Prnha and a bunch of PS flew DOA... he recruited me to the PS
in AW korea in 96:)
Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeee
http://www.pigstompers.net
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Originally posted by MrDick
permission to buzz the tower.
-MrD
Negative Ghostrider, the pattern is full.
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Where is this information coming from?
Did Hitech announce something?
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Originally posted by storch
F8U Crusader v MiG19 were the last of the gunfighters
Did you know that F-105s got 18 times as many gun kills as the F-8s?
It's true, F-105s shot down 36 migs with guns, while F-8s only got two (and 16 with Sidewinders).
So, the top gunfighter in Vietnam was the big 'ol Thud....
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by 96Delta
Where is this information coming from?
Did Hitech announce something?
Yes...
"We hope that through further growth we can add even more diverse offerings such as more time periods and perhaps even time periods outside of WWII such as WWI or the Korean War. " - Pyro
My regards,
Widewing
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a couple of things in the pipeline that we believe will provide an influx of players -Pyro
Maybe the Korea Arena is what this comment refers to.
I can only hope.
I've been in the game on and off since 2001.
I heard a rumor way back when that HiTech showed
up in the MA in an F-86 once, sort of like he shows
up with his Sleigh and 8 Reindeer around Christmas. ;)
Would love to get confirmation on that. If thats
true it would suggest that Dale has an interest
in doing something Korean War related.
I would personally LOVE to see a Korean War
arena. F9F Panther would be my ride first of
choice. They look neat! :D
Thanks for the reply,
In Jesus' name,
David
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Originally posted by Widewing
Did you know that F-105s got 18 times as many gun kills as the F-8s?
It's true, F-105s shot down 36 migs with guns, while F-8s only got two (and 16 with Sidewinders).
So, the top gunfighter in Vietnam was the big 'ol Thud....
My regards,
Widewing
Actually, the 105 got 27.5 A/A Mig kills (24.5 20mm, 2 AIM-9, 1 AIM-9 and guns) and lost 17 to Migs for a kill ratio of 1.6 to 1. As a ground attack aircraft they also destroyed a number on the ground (Vulchers!) and that's how they claim 36 "kills".
F-8's had 18 kills to 3 losses for a 6.3 to 1 kill ratio, the best of any US fighter in Vietnam. You're right though, most kills were with AIM-9s.
The number of kills attributed to the 105 is high but given that they flew 20,000 missions over North Vietnam they had a much greater opportunity for kills....of course they also lost 320 planes in the process and their kill per sortie rate was tiny. Actually, it turns out it wasn't much of a "gunfighter".
Mace
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Originally posted by ReyPirin
I have to say Korean Era is quite exciting, even though the engines of the Jets were still slightly more ealiable they were very prone to flameouts if abused, also the spool up time of these jets even though theywere slightly faster were still slower than jets of the Vietnam era, and were mainly BNZ.
The Migs ruled high and the Sabres Drooled low :D It will b extra exciting to see these top rivals with a slight perk fight each other , even though there were many more jets than WW2 prop planes still flew many sorties, so that
s why I think there should be a slight perk penalty for these two types or as the war progresses there should be the varying degree of improvements made to the sabre and Mig jets with a slight perk increase.
LOL how'd I know you'd pop up in this thread ;)
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You know, fellas...Not to be a wet blanket:t, I would wait for HTC to give dates and other specifics before getting worked up over a Korean arena. Personally, I think it would be boss(with the appropriate GV's thrown in-think M26, T34/85, M24 chafee) Make it like the AvA, give two sides, and see what happens. But, my guess is, it's a year+ away.
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well with numbers like 6 bishops 3 nites and 18 rooks in the ealry war arena i dont see this happening. PLus they arent even done with our current gvs fighters and bombers. they could have ww1 ww2 korea( i wouldnt want nam or current day cause of all the bvr and other tech that htc couldnt do) yea cool but how long have we been waiting for tod?
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Originally posted by B3YT
korea then nam. Nam you would have F106 - f104 , AC130 , mig21, mig 17 , F4 , F6 . the A2 . it would be great. Bombers would have the B52 and Vigilanty, the A6 would just be there too. And a whole squad of Hueys and cobras flying down a deep valley with some Iggy Pop blasting out. Roll on the extra eras
I'm salivating.
Guys, your Korea arena (it's been done already!!!!) is just foreplay--a Vietnam arena will be the hot 'n sweaty s3X that every boy dreams about. :D
(http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/douglas/f4_phantom/f-4_phantom_019.jpg)
(http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/douglas/f4_phantom/f-4_phantom_017.jpg)
(http://www.flygplan.info/images/f4_2.jpg)
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Originally posted by Mace2004
Actually, the 105 got 27.5 A/A Mig kills (24.5 20mm, 2 AIM-9, 1 AIM-9 and guns) and lost 17 to Migs for a kill ratio of 1.6 to 1. As a ground attack aircraft they also destroyed a number on the ground (Vulchers!) and that's how they claim 36 "kills".
F-8's had 18 kills to 3 losses for a 6.3 to 1 kill ratio, the best of any US fighter in Vietnam. You're right though, most kills were with AIM-9s.
The number of kills attributed to the 105 is high but given that they flew 20,000 missions over North Vietnam they had a much greater opportunity for kills....of course they also lost 320 planes in the process and their kill per sortie rate was tiny. Actually, it turns out it wasn't much of a "gunfighter".
Mace
Well, the Thud was about as maneuverable as a loaded school bus... Its kills were more the result of finding an enemy fighter stumbling into their gunsight rather than maneuvering for a shot. Nonetheless, considering how many sorties they flew, and how many SAMS they encountered as well as the heaviest tripleA one could imagine, they proved extremely tough and reliable. Their loss rate was something close to 0.016 per sortie.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Deth7
Yo Taurus Prnha and a bunch of PS flew DOA... he recruited me to the PS
in AW korea in 96:)
Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeee
http://www.pigstompers.net
Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee right back at ya Deth7..this is Taurus45 formerly known as java45 for the 4 pots of coffee I drink per day ( G )
I flew for awhile with the 95thKickingMules and then the PigStompers both in DoA.......................... Salute again and be well.
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Widewing
that’s not really a proper comparison the Thud ran into way way more migs and target rich environments then the F-8 Crusader
its like comparing the Hellcat vs. the Corsair the hellcat got more kills because it was used more and in richer target environments and missions
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Originally posted by simshell
Widewing
that’s not really a proper comparison the Thud ran into way way more migs and target rich environments then the F-8 Crusader
its like comparing the Hellcat vs. the Corsair the hellcat got more kills because it was used more and in richer target environments and missions
I wasn't making a comparison, merely stating that F-105s had more gun kills than F-8s.
My regards,
Widewing