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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Halo on September 15, 2006, 10:59:52 PM
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In the mood for some of that hard core desert island stuff? Okay, suppose everything in the world is just the same as it is now, except nobody has any guns. Not a one. Nowhere.
And then suppose everyone gets to choose ONE gun, and only one gun, that is the only gun they will ever get to have for the rest of their life.
Suppose too that the gun could be any cost, include free ammo and service, and have any accessories, including extra barrels and calibers for those that offer them. Would the extra barrels and calibers influence your choice?
And the one gun could be one of those dual calibers too, like .410 and .22. Would that make you choose it?
Naturally you might have all sorts of different gun needs, e.g., hunting, home defense, job, target, skeet, whatever.
Tough. You get only ONE gun for the rest of your life.
One gun to somehow best satisfy all of your varying shooting needs.
What gun would you choose?
To start things off (and I may change my mind by the end of the thread after seeing all your choices), I think ... I might ... possibly do best ...
with ...
an ...
M-1 .30 caliber carbine.
After all, it was intended as the super sidearm for the U.S. military in WWII.
Pleasant to carry, easy and accurate to fire, reasonable punch.
Remember -- just ONE gun the rest of your life. Which one for you?
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22lr rifle winchester lever preferrably
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M14
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12 gauge pump action shotgun.
Can use slugs for large game, shot for birds and small game, can use buckshot for home defense......win win win. :)
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Winchester 94 chambered in .44 magnum/.44 Special.
Reliable, light weight, accurate and with enough knockdown power to drop anything up to a grizzly. Use .44 Special for smaller game. Good for self- defense as well.
My regards,
Widewing
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20mm Phalanx. I would rule the world.
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12 Ga. pump- the most versatile- use indoors, outdoors, shot, buckshot, slug. Easy to maintain, hard to break.
-MI-
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MK-7 16-inch/50-cal
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Wisconsin_Shoots.JPG)
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My Remington 870 Express Magnum 12ga pump. I've had it for 15 years and it's NEVER failed me. Killed to many birds to count, 3 deer, don't know how many clay pigions, and stopped 1 truck thief, and 1 idiot that thought he was going to come in my house.
The last 2 I only needed to rack the slide and that took care of everything.
Simply the best gun I've ever owned and I have more than gotten my money out of it.:aok
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Might have to go with Springfield M6 Scout.
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12 gauge pump...for reasons already noted. Hornet's choice of the Remington 870 is probably the way to go, but there are a couple-three other good choices as well.
Wolfala...how's that Mk-7 do ya for pigeon or duck hunting? :D
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no such thing. wide is on the closest track but... he has to carry the thing around and... the guy who chose the 300 weathreby with the 20 power scope is gonna be a problem for him..
The guy with the 44 mag revolver is gonna have it made in town or backpacking or the campsite... the 22 lr guy is gonna be able to carry lots of ammo... etc etc etc.
lazs
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In starting this thread I wasn't thinking about specific situations like scoped rifles vs. carbines or shotguns, just the vexing general idea about the one gun that people would choose if they could have only one.
It has valid economic considerations in real life now since shooting can get expensive and everyone has to deal with budgets.
So young or old, experienced or novice, c'mon, dig deep, and share what would be your ONE gun choice if you could have only one the rest of your life.
I'm already vacillating between carbine and shotgun, thinking a long gun in short barrel in medium caliber rifle or 12- or 20-gauge might be the best compromise between firepower and toting ease.
If I could have only one gun, so far I am not thinking it would be a handgun -- the shorter barrel long guns seem a bit more versatile than the longer barrel handguns, although it can be very close call.
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Originally posted by lazs2
no such thing. wide is on the closest track but... he has to carry the thing around and... the guy who chose the 300 weathreby with the 20 power scope is gonna be a problem for him..
The guy with the 44 mag revolver is gonna have it made in town or backpacking or the campsite... the 22 lr guy is gonna be able to carry lots of ammo... etc etc etc.
lazs
I picked the Winchester 94 because it has a stronger action than my favorite light rifle, the Winchester/Rossi 92 SRS. This rifle is chambered in .357 Magnum/.38 Special. It has a 16" barrel and is exceptionally light and fast on target. Its super-slick action is blinding fast, but sometimes tempermental, requiring occasional adjustment of the cartridge gate. Weighing in at 5.5 lb, it's not much heavier than some large-bore handguns. I also like the halfcock safety over the hammer-block on the 94. I've lugged this rifle for many miles using a simple loop sling. My rifle is decorated with Indian tack work, making it unique.
I have some nice .357 mag loads that take advantage the 16" barrel to generate near 30-30 velocity (about 2,050 fps) shooting 125 grain JHPs. Should break 2,100 fpm in a 20" barrel.
While this rifle is available in .44 mag, the action isn't as durable as that of the Win 94. Likewise, the Win 94 action isn't as slick or fast as the Win 92. But, since we're limited to one firearm, I'll take the extra durability of the Win 94. You can order a Win 94 Trapper, w/16" barrel chambered in .44 Mag from almost any dealer.
Winchesters have many advantages over bolt guns, and give up little to semi-autos in practical field use. They're light, quick sighting, reliable and slim in profile, making them easier to pack and carry.
My regards,
Widewing
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Remington 11-87. 34" ribbed barrel, rifled slug barrel. Black synthetic stock. Sort of exactly like the one I have now.
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specific situations? isn't every situation that you need a gun for......
A specific situation?
lazs
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The most reliable one
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Originally posted by lazs2
no such thing. wide is on the closest track but... he has to carry the thing around and... the guy who chose the 300 weathreby with the 20 power scope is gonna be a problem for him..
The guy with the 44 mag revolver is gonna have it made in town or backpacking or the campsite... the 22 lr guy is gonna be able to carry lots of ammo... etc etc etc.
lazs
And yet you don't comment on the M6 Scout?
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M21
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Originally posted by DJ111
M21
M21 is nice, but just an M1A really. I love my M1A as rifles go, but it isn't the best all around weapon.
This choice challenge would be interesting if based upon a scenario. (society collapse, or stranded in the deep woods etc.)
The M6 is a versatile combination of choice, while shotgun and bullet on tap.
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What gun would YOU choose?
Thank you...
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didn't they make a m6 that had a 223 over a 20 guage once?
m6 is ok so long as one shot will do it and you don't have to draw and fire of look inconspicuous with the damn thing.
No gun is good all around but.. the one gun that works best is the one you shoot well.
lazs
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M114/A1 and a couple dozen M454s.
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If it's just general, non SHTF scenarios, an M-1 carbine has a lot of appeal. Fun to shoot (more so, to me than the M-16/Ar-15 series), fairly cheap, good for general self defense at 100 yards or less with hollowpoints (myths aside, ball also has good penetration in cases where that might be important), if I were a deer hunter it would likely be marginal, but probably acceptable if you don't take a shot you wouldn't take with a bow, historical, did I mention fun to shoot, light, fun to shoot, etc. It's just a blast to shoot. It could fill in the SHTF scenario as well, but...
For some sort of SHTF scenario, the No. 5 MK1 Jungle carbine. Best battle rifle bolt action (fast, light, slick) with 10 rnd magazine. Kick is entirely managable, light weight, micronometer sights out to 800 yards, accurate. Also a blast to shoot :) Can take most game in North America, even Grizzlies if you absolutely had to I suppose. Slighlty less potent than 30.06, yet the bullet has an aluminum filler in the nose section that causes a quick tumble upon penetration. Simpler than a semi-auto. Light weight and small size. Ammo would be an issue, though I'm sitting on 2000 rounds of .303 British right now. You could get a sportered Indian 2A for the same effect in 7.62 NATO for more common ammo, etc. Easily reloadable using lead bullets without feed issues.
Charon
[edit: just got my "in process" notice from CMP on the SG Garand... so maybe I'll have a new opinion in few weeks :)]
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Wouldn't a scoped pump shotgun be a good choice? Buckshot for close ranges, discarding sabots for long ranges.
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Where does the hard core desert island thing come in? If the world is the wat it is now, and we have to go on with our lives as normal, then I would go with a hi-cap pistol in .45 ACP.
If it was a "hard core desert island" survial question, then something fully automatic (selectable semi) in 7.62 or .303 with 30 round magazine, top and bottom rails to mount scopes, lasers, lights, bi-pods, etc.
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Originally posted by lazs2
specific situations? isn't every situation that you need a gun for......
A specific situation?
lazs
Jeezus, Lazs, just answer the damned question, would you?
Imagine this... The Chinese and a race of Aliens just teamed up together and decided to invade the US. You need to flee, and fast. You're going into the mountains, Red Dawn style. You've got time to grab one gun, and you don't know what you'll be using it for. You're assuming you'll be hunting, but you may have to kill some Chinese infantry, or pop some Martians.
Which one do you pick from your vast collection? Don't think, just use your instinct.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Which one do you pick from your vast collection? Don't think, just use your instinct.
Remington 11-87. Slug/Shot barrel. As many Remington 3" copper solid sabot rounds as I can carry and a few cases of 7-1/2 shot winchester super speed.
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The BFG from Quake.
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M249 because it's just sexay!
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neubob.... no problem.. the one that is not locked in the safe.
In the situation you describe..... Any gun will do.
Give me any gun in that situation and I will make it work to get me any other gun that I might need. Lots of guns will be laying around all over the place.... Lots of guys will be there for me to relieve them of theirs.
No problem.
lazs
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Lever operated .22 magnum or a carbine, - with a scope.
Big enough for most things, but not too big.
(That means carrying, the noise, and destroying small prey)
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Again, this thread really should be about scenario. Do we want to consider a gun to keep in the house, situation normal, but only allowed one?
Do we base our decisions on being out in the wilderness alone with only that one weapon to help us survive, or is it about societies collapse and the apopcalyptic scenario with man fighting man for survival?
Differant weapons would come to the top of the list in the differant survivors.
In the house? Either a 12 gauge pump, or a .45 auto.
In the wilderness? Springfield Armory M6 Scout.
SHTF - M1A in a Sage stock.
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Originally posted by Dago
Again, this thread really should be about scenario.
Start your own thread about that topic then.
He asked basically if you had to pick one gun out of anything you've got...for anything...what'd it be?
Here's what he said:
You get only ONE gun for the rest of your life.
One gun to somehow best satisfy all of your varying shooting needs.
What gun would you choose?
We're not choosing whether or not are we living in some off the wall Kevin Costner film. Again...he said:
Okay, suppose everything in the world is just the same as it is now, except nobody has any guns. Not a one. Nowhere.
And then suppose everyone gets to choose ONE gun, and only one gun, that is the only gun they will ever get to have for the rest of their life.
Isn't there some aviation related thread where you can make fun of me and call me dumb to provide you an outlet? It's a shame we can't keep this attitude of yours isolated into one topic but rather have it bleed into others as well.
Back on topic...
It's still a Remington 11-87. There's nothing out there it can't handle and with open sights have dropped whitetail deer in excess of 150 yds with the 3" mag copper solid sabots. 5 shots. Semi Auto. Simple, reliable and rugged. It's been submerged in water making my way to a duck blind. It's been covered in mud after slipping on a rainy day during turkey season. It's had dust all through everything sitting in a cornfield waiting for doves.
It's always been there. The very very few misfires were because of a damaged O-ring outside the magazine tube. That happened after about 8 years and thousands of rounds with somewhat regular cleaning. Never cleaned it after every use but after every season or a day on the trap/skeet/sporting clay range which usually was good for a couple hundred rounds.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/73/PHASR_Rifle.jpg)
The Personnel Halting and Stimulation Response rifle (PHASR) is a prototype non-lethal laser dazzler developed by the U.S. Department of Defense. Its purpose is to temporarily disorient and blind a target. Blinding laser weapons have been tested in the past, but were banned under the 1995 UN Protocol on Blinding Laser Weapons. The PHASR rifle, a low-intensity laser, can skirt this regulation, as the blinding effect is apparently temporary. It also uses a two-wavelength laser. The PHASR was developed at Kirtland Air Force Base, part of the Air Force Research Laboratory Directed Energy Directorate in New Mexico.
Why I'd choose this?
Because if i'm ever going to go aggro on something/someone I want them to KNOW its me. This thing will knock them out and then i can use the butt of the rifle to smash them to pulp.
;)
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Originally posted by Tac
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/73/PHASR_Rifle.jpg)
I'm pretty sure the guy who designed that thing works in the comic book/gaming shop about two blocks from where I live.
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Lasz is right...it would depend on the scenario...for no gun can adequately meet all one's needs: self-defense, small-game hunting, big-game hunting, plinking, etc.
Widewing is near the mark. The 44mag/44special is a good all around choice, especially in a lever action which is strong and reliable. The velocities of both these calibers would be enhanced by an 18 inch barrel, making both more effective for self-defense. For tackling potential enemies at distances greater than 100 yards, something else would be needed.
A semi-auto or bolt rifle in 22 mag. would also come close. The ammo would be fairly cheap; loads for small-game and self-defense can be had...and it can even be used on game as large as deer...as long as shot placement is a priority with the shooter.
If I had to pick only one, it would be one of those two.
But again, no gun could adequately meet all possible scenarios.
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Originally posted by Golfer
Start your own thread about that topic then.
He asked basically if you had to pick one gun out of anything you've got...for anything...what'd it be?
Whats your problem? I explained my choice of a perfect "one gun only" would be based on situation.
How did this get to be about you and your dismal knowledge of aviation. Just because I show you up (repeatadly) as a poser regarding aircraft, you don't need to attack me in other threads.
Get a life.
dago
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I would pick whatever gun was most appropriate for ridding the earth of the f$#@@ck nut who decided to pass the law limiting us to only one gun!!!
Ha, but seriously, I'm not really sure. I love my SKS, but it's not top of my list if money is no object. Neither would an AK, butif money is a factor a high quality AK would probably be my choice.
I really like my friend's AR15, but the cleaning issues make me hesitant. I've seen his fail to feed right when clean but lacking a little oil. .223 isnt a bad round all in all, but I like how my 7.62x39 will go right through a tree.
I also own a winchester 94 (30-30) and a remington 870. Both good choices in the bush rifle or shotgun catagory. The 94 is just so sexy and smooth. Still, if I catch a soon to be deceased burglar in my house, something semi-auto would be nice. 870s are awesome shotguns, but there's still something about the bayonet lug and slamfire capability of the winchester 97 (or norinco remake) that has a lot of apeal. What's scarryier than a shotgun being cocked in your face? A shotgun with a bayonet pointed at you!!!
Not sure if I really have the experience to call this one well, but I guess I'd have to say something around a .308 caliber with some kind of shotgun mounted underneath. Fantasy? mostly, but Im sure someone's tried it before.
Though a M16 w/ m203 would pack a nice little punch.....
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Originally posted by Dago
Whats your problem? I explained my choice of a perfect "one gun only" would be based on situation.
How did this get to be about you and your dismal knowledge of aviation. Just because I show you up (repeatadly) as a poser regarding aircraft, you don't need to attack me in other threads.
Get a life.
dago
Well compared to the skygod himself I'm sure I don't hold a candle.
I'm not going to keep the hijack going however your method of explaining could use a little fine tuning to be slightly less abrasive. After all I'm giving you exactly what you want (my own fault) by commenting to you about you. There's no more a subject you love and you've come to prove that on more than one occasion.
Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them wrong or you right for that matter.
DJ111 said it best to you...
What gun would YOU choose?
Thank you...
Anything else you'd like to say take it private.
/unhijack
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Dont know whats its called.
But Ill take
the minigun
"Old Painless"
(http://epicycle.org.uk/images/minigun1.jpg)
Why is it called a minigun?
Seems to me to be anything but Mini LOL
I'll take this one anyway
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M1 Garand. Already have one.
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Originally posted by Golfer
Anything else you'd like to say take it private.
That will be the day I take direction from a junior right seater. :rofl
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Ever give any consideration to changing your handle to Dalai Lama?
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The first gun that popped into my head was the Remington 870. That one mainly for durability reasons. Far stronger and better built than many shotguns costing 3 times the price, in riot gun configuration it can hold 7 3in. shells in either slug or some variation of shot configuration. It can be used to hunt everything from large game like deer and elk all the way down to rabbits and game birds just by varying what shells you carry. Of course you impose a restriction on range, but slugs are quite accurate out to around 100 yards. I doubt you'll be shooting farther than that with a rifle unless you have a scope.
I would feel close to nekkid with only a handgun. I'm just not good enough with them to make it worth betting my life on. I'm working on that, but I've been using shotguns since I was 8 years old. Give me a shotgun and a chance to pattern it, and I have all the self confidence in the world.
Granting that a small caliber rifle could be useful though, I think I already have the perfect "survival" gun in my closet. The Rossi 12ga. / 22mag. shotgun/rifle combo. In a matter of about 30 seconds I can swap between rifle or shotgun with a fast changing barrel. It's fairly short in overall length, not very heavy, and well balanced so it swings easily onto the target and is easy to hold there for as long as I need to. Granted its only single shot, but you can only shoot one at a time anyway, and I'm pretty good at firing and reloading single shots from long experience. I have considered replacing the 22mag. barrel with a .223 or a .17, but I have little experience with these rounds and their ballistics, so I feel more comfortable staying with what I know.
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Originally posted by Golfer
Ever give any consideration to changing your handle to Dalai Lama?
Ever consider changing yours to "Voss"?
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12ga would fit the bill. From the woods to your house great tool and best of many worlds. This weekend i shot 3 pigs with my benelli super 90 with 00 buck. From a personal defence the 12ga is king. Only one gun well the 12ga is many...
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Originally posted by Dago
Ever consider changing yours to "Voss"?
On what grounds? He and I have nothing in common.
You and the Dalai Lama on the other hand are clearly divine and all knowing.
We going to keep spamming this thread?
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M14 or FAL with a home-made belt-feeder ?
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Originally posted by Golfer
On what grounds? He and I have nothing in common.
LOL good one poser.
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Originally posted by Golfer
On what grounds? He and I have nothing in common.
You and the Dalai Lama on the other hand are clearly divine and all knowing.
We going to keep spamming this thread?
Originally posted by Dago
LOL good one poser.
I think you guys need your very own thread.
Thoughts?
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Barrett XM109 25mm semi-auto. (Gawd! I wish I'd had this in Iraq!)
Kill other people out to 2000 meters.
Take their guns.
Kill anyone that sez I can only have one gun.
:p :p :p :p
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Originally posted by Neubob
I think you guys need your very own thread.
Thoughts?
Yup, I just wanted to talk about guns, but Golfer is stalking me now. :D
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I wouldn't call it stalking. I'd say more like poking you with a proverbial stick because it's easy to do, your holiness Dalai Lama. I think when you say 'talk about guns' you mean 'tell people about guns and why you're right'
Still...I'd love a PM about how I'm Voss. And for the umteenth time...shall we take this private rather than spam threads?
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Mossin Nagant. No scope. Spike Bayonet.
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I like it better than my SAR-1 (Ak-47)
it's accurate
it's 7.62x51 (.308)
and heck, the extractor can be missing and the spent brass will still extract every time, just not eject. :aok
(http://myspace-173.vo.llnwd.net/00287/37/14/287294173_l.jpg)
and yes that's me :t
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Hey, whats your shirt say?
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Originally posted by Golfer
I wouldn't call it stalking. I'd say more like poking you with a proverbial stick because it's easy to do, your holiness Dalai Lama. I think when you say 'talk about guns' you mean 'tell people about guns and why you're right'
Still...I'd love a PM about how I'm Voss. And for the umteenth time...shall we take this private rather than spam threads?
Funny, you say take it to PM, but you never do. Like you pretend to know something but really dont. You keep spamming this thread with your pathetic crap.
I have tried to keep it about guns. Go away little bug. Let this thread stay on task.
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Originally posted by Dago
Funny, you say take it to PM, but you never do. Like you pretend to know something but really dont. You keep spamming this thread with your pathetic crap.
I have tried to keep it about guns. Go away little bug. Let this thread stay on task.
http://www.clear-and-a-million.com/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif
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Try the "img" function for your eyes.
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Originally posted by Nightshift82
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I like it better than my SAR-1 (Ak-47)
it's accurate
it's 7.62x51 (.308)
and heck, the extractor can be missing and the spent brass will still extract every time, just not eject. :aok
(http://myspace-173.vo.llnwd.net/00287/37/14/287294173_l.jpg)
and yes that's me :t
I have the same rifle, albeit with wood furniture.
(http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/CETME.jpg)
It took about 200 rounds through it to loosen up the action. I will eventually get a scope and mount for it. Quite accurate, but I'll never come to like the operating lever being so far out and on the left side to boot.
My regards,
Widewing
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If I see that you guys have a gun that I wish I had chosen...
I will just take yours.
See..... no problem.
lazs
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Originally posted by Reynolds
Hey, whats your shirt say?
"Happiness is a warm AK-47" :t
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Originally posted by Widewing
I have the same rifle, albeit with wood furniture.
(http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/CETME.jpg)
It took about 200 rounds through it to loosen up the action. I will eventually get a scope and mount for it. Quite accurate, but I'll never come to like the operating lever being so far out and on the left side to boot.
My regards,
Widewing
I'd like to put wood furniture on it, bring back the classic look to it. The plastic that centery arms put on it is total crap.
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LOVE the quote!
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Pretty much the only gun I've ever found useful:
(http://www.diytools.co.uk/diy/Images/DB_Detail/077006.jpg)
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I want this gun!
(http://www.starwars.com/databank/technology/superlaser/img/movie_bg.jpg)
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M1 Garand.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/IDF/garand.jpg)
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Man, what a tough choice, but considering that I'm running out the
door, the 870 and the shells are in the hall closet by the door.
Mike
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Lots of really great choices in this thread. Not just in this thread, 12-gauge shotguns seem to be the world's favorite gun.
Ironically, tonight the firing range just got in a new Auto-Ordnance M1 .30- cal. carbine, my fond memory that got this thread started.
Oh wow wow wow wow! That sucker feels as great as the first time I ever cradled it in the Air Force.
What a perfect gun.
-- that clanky sound of the bolt,
-- the looseness yet aura of utter dependability,
-- the beautiful o-ring back sight with the unique front sight of blade flanked by outwardly bending guards,
-- the confidence building magazines,
-- the attractive just-right-size bullets,
-- the serious sling arrangement,
-- even a bayonet holder (I know, don't stick one on in most locales),
-- the absolute ideal weight, length, balance, and overall feel for me.
You never forget your first love (Mom was talking about mates, but it applies to weapons too).
I don't really need one now. At around $700 in walnut it's too expensive just to have one's lifelong absolute favorite gun.
It would be an indulgence.
Totally unjustifiable.
But ... if I could have only ... ONE gun ...
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I must say, im not fond of the Garand because of its sight. Im much more comfortable with a Nagan sight.
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There can only be one.
(http://www.rguns.net/017/017_6alg.jpg)
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Originally posted by Midnight
Where does the hard core desert island thing come in? If the world is the wat it is now, and we have to go on with our lives as normal, then I would go with a hi-cap pistol in .45 ACP.
If it was a "hard core desert island" survial question, then something fully automatic (selectable semi) in 7.62 or .303 with 30 round magazine, top and bottom rails to mount scopes, lasers, lights, bi-pods, etc.
I love my USP 45 and the ability to carry 13 rounds.
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I must say, im not fond of the Garand because of its sight. Im much more comfortable with a Nagan sight.
The Granand had one of the most sophisticated sights fielded during WW2, capable of both windage and elevation adjustment at the twist of two knobs. Also, it has a peep sight, which many (including myself) prefer. The worst sight, IMO, was the K98K sight, though maybe it's just my fading eyes.
Just got the new Greek SG Garand from CMP. I've got to take some photos and post them. Magnificent. Also have 16 clips loaded ready for the range :)
Charon
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love my garand. Like my k98's too but, like charon... I think they have the worst sights.
It matters not to me which gun I grab out of the safe... If I want something else later I will just take it from whoever has it.
probly to start you want something you can conceal.
lazs
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I read the opening post on the thread. The conditions are perfect for one firearms system that fits the conditions as originally set up.
That weapon is the Thompson Center Encore. It is the second generation of the Contender.
It has multiple barrels and accessories. It can fire shotgun shells, rimfire cartirdges, centerfire pistol cartridges and rifle cartridges up to and including those for dangerous game. Once a scope is set on the barrel of choice you can leave it when you swap out the barrel for another cartridge.
The system is of course a single shot. I do not see this as a detriment as the idea of this gun is to have one gun only for life, not go into combat. Even if it were I'd still look at this as a sniper's weapon not a close combat weapon. I don't want to get close, I want to pop the problem at a range that lets me solve it and not be subject to additional ones.
In short, this one system allows me to hunt anything on the North American Continent and any place else I'd be inclined to hunt.
One gun, virtually any caliber I could want to fire. Can't beat that at all for versatility.
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Originally posted by Charon
The Granand had one of the most sophisticated sights fielded during WW2, capable of both windage and elevation adjustment at the twist of two knobs. Also, it has a peep sight, which many (including myself) prefer. The worst sight, IMO, was the K98K sight, though maybe it's just my fading eyes.
Just got the new Greek SG Garand from CMP. I've got to take some photos and post them. Magnificent. Also have 16 clips loaded ready for the range :)
Charon
Hell yeah, the 98K has a DREADFULL sight. But the thing I like about the nagant sight is that little ring at the end, which seems as if at a nice range it would fit perfectly around someone's head... :t
But yeah, I dont like any of the US sights really, because they have that little stick thingy, and the only one that seemed to hit where the tip of the stick would suggest is the BAR. I like the fact that they are semi-auto now, because the BAR, if not being used as an emplaced weapon, isnt very good in my opinion as a hand-held machine gun, but, would be a GREAT marksman's weapon in my opinion. Had the chance to lift, hold and even fire one recently, and it was the time of my life, topped only by the fact that I was able to do the same with a Nagant, and was even given the offer to buy it for $100, spike bayonet, and sling and all. Those BARs are HEAVY bastards though!
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So many great gun choices and options in this thread.
And I'm still thinking, if had only one gun, what would it be? Something so absolutely perfect that you just love the way it handles and shoots, and are totally confident with it in all situations.
I kept thinking about and researching that M-1 .30-caliber carbine. Then I bought it. After a hundred rounds, it is everything I thought it would be: my all-time favorite gun.
There are a zillion guns I've never had the pleasure of shooting, and there are plenty other guns that excel in different situations. But in my average or limited firearms experience, if could have only one gun, it's the .30 cal M1 carbine for me.
Here's hoping all of you have or find your all-time favorite gun too.
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Originally posted by Nightshift82
I'd like to put wood furniture on it, bring back the classic look to it. The plastic that centery arms put on it is total crap.
it looks like a G3 and AK-47 bred together....
I myself would take the F2000. 1.6X Scope, 40 MM grenade launcher, and 5.56 mm rounds. :aok
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as41-e.htm (http://f2000 ownage)
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Link is broken.
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fixed... i hope
gah i had the link coding backwards....http://world.guns.ru/assault/as41-e.htm (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as41-e.htm)
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob
it looks like a G3 and AK-47 bred together....
Backwards, sort of... The G3 was/is a development of the CETME. It came full circle. Under development in Germany during the last months of the war, the designers took the rifle to Spain after the war. Originally designated the Mauser StG45, it was fully developed by CETME as the model 58. H&K modified the basic design and manufactured the G3 under some sort of licensing agreement.
My regards,
Widewing
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:confused: huh... too technical ... brain tired ...