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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: storch on September 16, 2006, 07:07:21 AM
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well...has it?
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The AVAs appeal to me first and foremost was always Axis vs Allied.
I think the majority of the AVA regulars in the past year or so have been more interested in the pureity of the dogfight. If that is the case the three era based arenas may fill their needs. It's hard to tell at this stage.
How do you feel Storch? Do the new arena's supply you with the type of fighting your looking for? Personally I like em a lot. Since I get my Axis vs Allied fill in the SEA now.
Oldman if you wanna pull a fast one enable everything in the AVA just like the old MA. You might have the AVA maxed out.
You could say AVA stands for All Vehicles Arena.
:aok
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Originally posted by storch
well...has it?
This is a good question, Storch, thanks for raising it.
For now, I think it's a great idea for people to wander around the new arenas to see what they're like. I hit the early and mid-war places last night myself. I kept coming back here, though, hoping to see someone (the only player logged on was actually afk for the entire evening).
It's only to be expected that I think the AvA is the best. I've spent all of my AH time here, just as I spent it all in AW's AvA. It's still the only place where you can get historic match-ups, and possibly there are other people who find that important. Until the new arenas get smaller maps, AvA remains the best place to get a quick fight (can't believe how long I had to fly to get to the furballs in the new MAs). Most important of all, we've managed over the years to attract people who WANT to fight; I was surprised to see how many in the new MAs still go right by you.
Anyway, we'll keep this place going until things sort themselves out a bit, and folks can decide where they prefer to play.
- oldman
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I love it. I'm in the early mostly. good dogfights fewer gays per square inch than the single main and I can smack type til my fingers bleed. it's heaven for me. I expect dweebry in the MA even the three part MA.
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It behooves HTC to keep the AvA open. With scant resources it provides an answer to all that would complain about the lack of historical game play.
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The new changes have brought the differences between MA and AvA closer. Overall AvA still has something to offer with axis verse allied match ups but with these new changes to MA it will become all that much harder convincing someone to fly AvA vs EWMA.
Oldman you're fighting a battle that can't be won...
WE ARE THE MA , RESISTANCE IS FUTILE , YOU WILL BE ASSIMULATED , YOUR DISTINCTIVENESS WILL BE ADDED TO OUR OWN , IF YOU RESIST WE WILL DESTROY YOU ! ! ! ! ...
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Hey Storch!
I been saying that the AVA is dead. out two weeks we had one day with more the 6 players. Almost like HT wants the AVA to go away.
I really havent been paying attention, but is there still plans for the CT? Either the new MA's are getting ready for the switch or since the ava is deserted could this be the beginning of the new CT? I use to look forward to see who was flying in the AVA, now I check the numbers and end up inthe MA.
I still am wanting for the hord of JU87's to attack. After all how can it be the early years if no Stuuuuuukkkkkaaaa are attacking?
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Shifty,
Good one!
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I don't think an AvA arena is a dead idea, but you'll have to rebuild the customer base. AvA managers might want to consider staying in touch with events, especially the major ones (scenarios) and setting up something similar in the AvA for a couple of weeks before and a couple of weeks after each major event. That will bring in people who want the practice for an event and those looking for a little reliving of their recent scenario experience. Just a thought....
asw
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The EW, MW, LW arenas are new and different and therefore interesting. The AvA received an influx of players with nothing more than a name change. As time passes the new arenas will become commonplace. The plane sets are unchanging and players will still gravitate to the best rides. Taking bases and winning the war will continue to be the basis for game play.
The new setup will ultimately be good for the AvA. Players will get used to the idea of not all being in the same place and the inter-arena communications will help alleviate the feeling of being away from “everybody else”. Flying the EW and MW plane sets will make the AvA setups (and scenarios) seem more familiar and less daunting.
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Originally posted by detch01
I don't think an AvA arena is a dead idea, but you'll have to rebuild the customer base. AvA managers might want to consider staying in touch with events, especially the major ones (scenarios) and setting up something similar in the AvA for a couple of weeks before and a couple of weeks after each major event. That will bring in people who want the practice for an event and those looking for a little reliving of their recent scenario experience. Just a thought....
Hi asw,
I just put up the Battle of Britain in the AvA. With the scenario beginning on Saturday, people will now have some days to practise in the AvA before that.
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Very cool Panzzer ty :aok
I hope it brings in larger numbers :)
asw
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I think KONG has it right. Once folks get familiar with the EW and MW planes the AvA will be both less daunting and more interesting. Less daunting because more folks will already be proficient in EW-MW planes and more interesting because they can fly their favorite EW-MW ride against its historical adversary.
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Whether AvA will come back alive, I mean in the essense of when it was first introduced, will depend on HTC adding new aircraft to fill the gaps and making more of balanced and historical planesets.
Panzzer, I wrote back to you in the "general discussion" about this, and the way I see it is that the new Ma setup will give people the diverse and balanced fights.
Thats already a major settlement made for the early war planes, but to make it historical, you will need three times as more planes as we have today. Whether or not you see this happening, the AvA is dependent, as is the MA (including the new setup after all) of new things happening. You need something new to bring back the growd and keep them interested.
Repeating the same old BOB map with Spits, Hurri I's, 109E's and 110 C4's or what ever, will only decay the AvA AND ALL Battle of Britain events as a whole. Until You offer something new, like HE 111's and some scheme to use them in (like bombing of London), you will have hard time convincing people it's actually something new and interesting to try out.
What's new now is the MA setup, so people will be interested in that rather that the old BoB setup.
The BOB map is only an example. Same goes to any and all AvA historical maps (theres not so many any way).
In conclusion:
What EWA currently supplies is balanced fighting with diverse enough (even though not historical) early war plane set.
What AvA currently supplies is the same old BOB map with the same old same old, and TRULY same old plane setup we (I) enjoyed for a month ages ago and then got fed up with.
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Don't confuse low numbers in the MA as a result of the changes HTC has made. We have had low numbers before.
The AVA will survive. It has to. It is still the only arena that caters to historical (okay semi historical...gotta appease the perfectionists) setups on a continuing basis.
If anything, HTC's changes may actually boost #'s in the AVA. The MA's are now getting a taste of what limited plane sets can do for you. Instant fun multiplier.
BOB wasa good pick btw...it's a popular set up.
just my humble peso.
RTR
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Some of us will keep coming back to the AvA when we get sick of seeing the same thing every night in the "new" MAs, but for now theres enough thats changed that its almost like new again.
I'm having to rediscover how to fight early war planes with early war planes, its not as simple as just avoiding the late-war speed demons. Had some great 1 v 1 fights in both the early and mid so far- incidentally several of which were with old-hands from the AvA. Late-war is teh suk.
AvA won't die, its just on life support for a while.
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Might be the AvA hasn’t given MA squad COs a reason to do their squad nights in the AvA for a long time and once they get out of the habit of flying an arena, you’ve lost them. IMHO the AvA has a lot of blinding historical AH baggage.
The AvA is as much about events as the SEA and they complement each other. There are things you can do in the AvA we can’t do in the SEA, like leaving a terrain up. We can’t keep an ongoing event/“war” up in the SEA, there’s always another event scheduled which needs the arena. That’s a huge advantage for the AvA.
At it’s heyday, a squad CO could plan on taking his guys to the AvA every Thursday night to take part in a large (usually bomber) event with good dogfights leading up to the raid and more afterward. That had people in the habit of checking you out, but now with the rps, aversion to “milkrunning toolshedders” and the lack of focus on the best assets, the AvA has become an empty arena with no central event to draw people back. IMO it can’t keep trying to compete as a “Combat Theater” with the growing popularity of the DA and the new MAs.
My advice would be to start by picking a night of the week and see if you can design an “event” around your planeset each week. If you can design a fun event and put the needed set of toys in the sandbox on that night for months on end, you’ll have no trouble attracting squads, COs and players to the arena and it will be worth the server time again.
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AvA won't die, its just on life support for a while.
The AvA has been on life support for the last three years. Many have put a lot of blood sweat and tears to keep it going, but the AvA community is in denial about this arena. If this arena was a horse it would have been shot by now...
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Well I keep holding out for this Combat Tour thingy to kick in , it would cause me to have to donate $ to AH again , The AvA arena was always my fav , but too few players & and lack of somethin new made it dull . :rolleyes:
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As a brand spanking new player coming over from WWIIOL I must say I'm extremely disappointed in the current status of the AvA arena. This is exactly the style of gameplay that I'm looking for, and yet there's nobody on the server. Nuts.
As for the maps being stale, there's a solution for that which would only involve switching out the available equipment, rather than a whole new map.
For example, take your "Battle of Britain" map. Sure, you can use it to play out the battle of Britain with Spits and Hurries vs 109s, 110's and some bombers. But here's some other scenarios you could play:
Operation sealion: Same equipment as BoB, but add an attacking german naval force. Allow ground vehicles to spawn once the Germans have captured a Brit airfield.
Dieppe: '42 equipment (Folk Wolfes and Spits), and the BRITS have an attacking naval force (with tanks).
Normandy: '44 equipment (Americans AND Brits vs Germans), and the Allies have an attacking Naval force. Allies may attack with tanks, the Germans can only have them once the Allies capture an airfield on the mainland.
All 3 of these scenarios can be added using the existing BoB map.
Appologies if this has already been mentioned or done before. Like I said, I'm new here... :)
As for the original poster, no, the AvA arena is NOT redundant because there are some people like myself who like historical matchups. Spit V vs Spit V is just as boring as P51 vs P51. 109 vs Spit is the more interesting setup, IMHO.
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Originally posted by Rameusb5
Operation sealion: Same equipment as BoB, but add an attacking german naval force. Allow ground vehicles to spawn once the Germans have captured a Brit airfield.
Dieppe: '42 equipment (Folk Wolfes and Spits), and the BRITS have an attacking naval force (with tanks).
Normandy: '44 equipment (Americans AND Brits vs Germans), and the Allies have an attacking Naval force. Allies may attack with tanks, the Germans can only have them once the Allies capture an airfield on the mainland.
All 3 of these scenarios can be added using the existing BoB map.
Welcome to AH, always good to get new blood.
The scenarios you outlined have all been done in one form or another and several more that you didnt mention, but they dont get in the rotation on a regular basis like BoB or FinnRus.
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Originally posted by Grits
Welcome to AH, always good to get new blood.
The scenarios you outlined have all been done in one form or another and several more that you didnt mention, but they dont get in the rotation on a regular basis like BoB or FinnRus.
LoL, woops! Ok then...:p
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If we had the complete and proper planesets for each period(And do away with the hokey stand-ins) the AvA would have players in it. That arena is about immersion, and you can't have it when you're flying F4F-4's against yak-9's and LA-5FN's, when it should be Brewster F2A's against LaGG-3's, MiG-1's, or I-16's.
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Originally posted by Rameusb5
LoL, woops! Ok then...:p
Oh, its no problem. :)
Another one I didnt mention was Dunkirk, which is something like BoB but we made the single port of Dunkirk an Allied base. It was very similar to BoB since the planeset was the same, but the slight twist of having the Allied land base there was interesting.