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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sixpence on September 16, 2006, 11:06:34 AM
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Hard to figure these seahawks. They have had success with Alexander on the ground, and the main reason was their offensive line. More to the point, the left side with Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson. Steve Hutchinson is considered by many to be the best left guard in the business.
Why would they let this critical component of their offensive line walk away in free agency, then trade their first round pick for a 5'-11" receiver and pay him 39 million?
Am I missing something here?
Now,I am not a GM or football guru, and I could be way off, but if alexander's performance in the first game is an indication of things to come, this could be a huge blunder
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:lol
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Yeah I don't get it. Look at the Raiders to see how much success you have with brilliant WRs and crappy OTs. Any decent WR can rack up yards if the line is blocking and the QB can throw.
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Can't wait to hear rip's take on this...
:D
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Alexander will be fine. The Lions have a good defense. BUT, letting Hutchinson leave was very dumb. Personally, I see Arizona winning the West this year.
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Sxipence,
You apparently didn't pay attention when this occured...the Vikes took advantage of a loophole in the NFL contract leagalities and it basically came down to us not being able to counter-offer Hutch with a contract of our own due to our contract with Hutch stating that he'd be the highest paid offensive guard, the Vikes did not have to garantee this. There was a protest by the Seahawks and the NFL is considering on restructuring the legal issues so this won't happen again. It's called a "Poison Pill" contract. Basically the Seahawk front office did drop the ball by thinking it could match any offer that came up for the Pro Bowl guard and work on a long-term deal behind the scenes. But the Vikings stole Hutchinson with a cleverly worded offer the Seahawks couldn't equal. At least we admit it, rather than say it was the players fault (Hello New England fans!)
We did the same in return with Burelson to the Vikes and stole him away, but it appears the Vikes made out better than we did.
Now, be prepared to see us yet again in the NFC championship game! :D
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Alexander will be fine. The Lions have a good defense. BUT, letting Hutchinson leave was very dumb. Personally, I see Arizona winning the West this year.
Seahawks played Arizona yesterday and we were clicking on 4 of our 8 cylinders and still beat them soundly. We dropped 4 sure-interceptions and our offense sputtered yet we still dominated. Once we begin hitting all 8 cylinders (hopefully next week vs GIants) I'll be able to sleep at night once agian! Adding the Patriots Pro-bowler to the starting line up next week will certainly help our offense production. :D
We did record something like 6 or 7 sacks against the heaviest avg. weight offense line (Arizona) in the NFL, Julian Peterson was a prime-time pick up in the off season and our defense is better than last year. :aok
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How many pro bowls did Branch get elected to?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Sxipence,
You apparently didn't pay attention when this occured...the Vikes took advantage of a loophole in the NFL contract leagalities and it basically came down to us not being able to counter-offer Hutch with a contract of our own due to our contract with Hutch stating that he'd be the highest paid offensive guard, the Vikes did not have to garantee this. There was a protest by the Seahawks and the NFL is considering on restructuring the legal issues so this won't happen again. It's called a "Poison Pill" contract. Basically the Seahawk front office did drop the ball by thinking it could match any offer that came up for the Pro Bowl guard and work on a long-term deal behind the scenes. But the Vikings stole Hutchinson with a cleverly worded offer the Seahawks couldn't equal. At least we admit it, rather than say it was the players fault (Hello New England fans!)
We did the same in return with Burelson to the Vikes and stole him away, but it appears the Vikes made out better than we did.
Now, be prepared to see us yet again in the NFC championship game! :D
So in the end, they decided not to match the offer, then pay 39 million to a 5-11 receiver, and trade away their first round pick. Choose your poison I guess
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Originally posted by Sixpence
How many pro bowls did Branch get elected to?
Sorry, I meant Superbowl MVP.
For the Seahawks, Branch provides some insurance for Darrell Jackson, who is coming back from knee surgeries. I think its worth the money. We still have Walter Jones on left tackle, he gave up 2 sacks last year on the left side, and Womack is filling in nicely for Hutch. We'll certainlymiss Hutch, but I don't think it will have as much impact as New England losing a Superbowl MVP star receiver (from my perspective anyway)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Sxipence,
You apparently didn't pay attention when this occured...the Vikes took advantage of a loophole in the NFL contract leagalities and it basically came down to us not being able to counter-offer Hutch with a contract of our own due to our contract with Hutch stating that he'd be the highest paid offensive guard, the Vikes did not have to garantee this. There was a protest by the Seahawks and the NFL is considering on restructuring the legal issues so this won't happen again. It's called a "Poison Pill" contract. Basically the Seahawk front office did drop the ball by thinking it could match any offer that came up for the Pro Bowl guard and work on a long-term deal behind the scenes. But the Vikings stole Hutchinson with a cleverly worded offer the Seahawks couldn't equal. At least we admit it, rather than say it was the players fault (Hello New England fans!)
We did the same in return with Burelson to the Vikes and stole him away, but it appears the Vikes made out better than we did.
Now, be prepared to see us yet again in the NFC championship game! :D
<----VIKINGS fan
BTW thanks for the lineman.
Burelsons pretty decent. give him time.
Actually the O Line play of the Vikes has been a cheif complaint with reguards to the Viking runnins game.
For the money they are paying for the left side of the line. It should be much more productive. Not through any fault of Steve Hutchinson. He seems to be playing great.
Will have to see how they do as the season progresses and the line gels better.
Did seem like a screwy deal though. But I gotta give kudos to the new Viking organisation for pulling this one.
After the draft day blunder a couple years ago and especially the Hershal Walker debacle
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
<----VIKINGS fan
BTW thanks for the lineman.
Burelsons pretty decent. give him time.
Actually the O Line play of the Vikes has been a cheif complaint with reguards to the Viking runnins game.
For the money they are paying for the left side of the line. It should be much more productive. Not through any fault of Steve Hutchinson. He seems to be playing great.
Will have to see how they do as the season progresses and the line gels better.
Did seem like a screwy deal though. But I gotta give kudos to the new Viking organisation for pulling this one.
After the draft day blunder a couple years ago and especially the Hershal Walker debacle
Vikes are my "2nd team" since I'm from there, Go Vikes! (Except when you play Seattle!) :) Burelson dropped 2 passes yesterday, you can have him back now that we got Branch. :D
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If you played real football you wouldn't have worry about dropping the ball.;) ;)
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Originally posted by MiloMorai
If you played real football you wouldn't have worry about dropping the ball.;) ;)
Yeah, but we'd have to worry about dropping the soap in the shower room if we played European football. :D
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im a Bucs fan:cry :cry :cry
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Sorry, I meant Superbowl MVP.
For the Seahawks, Branch provides some insurance for Darrell Jackson, who is coming back from knee surgeries. I think its worth the money. We still have Walter Jones on left tackle, he gave up 2 sacks last year on the left side, and Womack is filling in nicely for Hutch. We'll certainlymiss Hutch, but I don't think it will have as much impact as New England losing a Superbowl MVP star receiver (from my perspective anyway)
Well, there is a big difference, one wins the award for having one good game, the other is for a whole season. Take a look at his best season, yards and TD's, then tell me he's worth a 1st round pick and 39 million.
But anyway, yeah, I saw what happened with Hutchinson. You know, if they didn't take the wait and see attitude and offered the 39 million to him before he hit the market, they might have kept him.
And you can't compare the two players as far as contract disputes. Branch was under contract, Hutchinson was not. Unless of course, you believe you should not have to honor a contract.
Maybe it's the coaching Rip, look at what the Patriots win with at WR, think about it. Remember that catch in the back of the end zone in SB XXXVI by David Patten?(a cast off) Or the clutch play of Troy Brown?(drafted back when they had an 8th round!) Or the play of David Givens?(drafted in the 7th round)
So will they miss him? Of course, they coached him into their system and expected him to honor the last year of his contract. Can they replace him? Of course they can, as they did Terry Glenn and David Patten.
But football, in it's most simple form, comes down to control of the line of scrimmage. You win that battle, you win the game. So tell me, why would you think losing a middle of the pack receiver is more important than losing someone who is considered the best at his position, a position that is critical at controlling the line of scrimmage?
That's what separates the contenders from the pretenders Rip. Do you think the Patriots would wait til Richard Seymour hit the open market? A player considered by many to be the best defensive lineman in the game? A player that reeks havoc on offensive lines and dominates the line of scrimmage? Not a chance.
Believe it or not, i'm kind of a fan of the Seahawks, well, the QB anyway. Watched him play at BC and watched his dad play for the Pats when I was a kid.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
<----VIKINGS fan
Actually the O Line play of the Vikes has been a cheif complaint with reguards to the Viking runnins game.
For the money they are paying for the left side of the line. It should be much more productive. Not through any fault of Steve Hutchinson. He seems to be playing great.
You are a demanding guy. C. Taylor is 6th in the league in rushing yards and the team as a whole is 13th. Now their avg per carry is low(3.7, if you call that low), but it isn't the 3.1 S. Alexander is at. They looked good running against the redskins when I saw them, and they look good as a team. That match up against the bears should be a good one, that's a big game this early in the season, woulda thunk?
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Well, there is a big difference, one wins the award for having one good game, the other is for a whole season. Take a look at his best season, yards and TD's, then tell me he's worth a 1st round pick and 39 million.
But anyway, yeah, I saw what happened with Hutchinson. You know, if they didn't take the wait and see attitude and offered the 39 million to him before he hit the market, they might have kept him.
And you can't compare the two players as far as contract disputes. Branch was under contract, Hutchinson was not. Unless of course, you believe you should not have to honor a contract.
Maybe it's the coaching Rip, look at what the Patriots win with at WR, think about it. Remember that catch in the back of the end zone in SB XXXVI by David Patten?(a cast off) Or the clutch play of Troy Brown?(drafted back when they had an 8th round!) Or the play of David Givens?(drafted in the 7th round)
So will they miss him? Of course, they coached him into their system and expected him to honor the last year of his contract. Can they replace him? Of course they can, as they did Terry Glenn and David Patten.
But football, in it's most simple form, comes down to control of the line of scrimmage. You win that battle, you win the game. So tell me, why would you think losing a middle of the pack receiver is more important than losing someone who is considered the best at his position, a position that is critical at controlling the line of scrimmage?
That's what separates the contenders from the pretenders Rip. Do you think the Patriots would wait til Richard Seymour hit the open market? A player considered by many to be the best defensive lineman in the game? A player that reeks havoc on offensive lines and dominates the line of scrimmage? Not a chance.
Believe it or not, i'm kind of a fan of the Seahawks, well, the QB anyway. Watched him play at BC and watched his dad play for the Pats when I was a kid.
I don't disagree with this post at all, Sixpence, and believe it or not, I route for the Pats ONLY because of the coaching staff...they are one of the best ever in the NFL, comparable to SF back in the late 80's early 90's.
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I join those free fantasy leagues on yahoo, and have several teams. I was lucky enough to have a second pick once, and the guy who picked first took Larry Johnson. Well, decision time, LT or Alexander, and I took Alexander. I thought it would be my best team, but I feel Seattle's GM has doomed me.
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Apparently Womack, (Hutch's replacement) was injured Sunday, not sure of his status.
Also, look for Hasselbeck to throw more this year, every team is going to be focused on stopping the run considering that Shaun broke the NFL record for TD's last year, which means it opens up the middle of the field alittle more for passing this year. I put Alexander at a draft selection of about 10 due to this probability.(However both my FF teams are SUCKING EGGS so far!)
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When are people going to realize the Pats arent about one or two guys. They can take a bunch of high school kids and make a competitive team out of them.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
When are people going to realize the Pats arent about one or two guys. They can take a bunch of high school kids and make a competitive team out of them.
This year will certainly excercise that theory.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
When are people going to realize the Pats arent about one or two guys. They can take a bunch of high school kids and make a competitive team out of them.
lol, well, the defensive line is all first round talent. But I think management has the ability to recognize talent and the coaching staff has the ability to get that talent out of them. They get mid round production out of late round picks, and early round production out of mid round picks. And they usually hit with their 1st rounder.
C'mon, you didn't say "who?" when they drafted Ty Warren, Ben Watson, or Logan Mankins?