Originally posted by 999000
It's always troubling when people make statements and you ask for the data by which the statement is based.....and they give you nothing! I can certainly respect a position different from my own perspective but give us SOMETHING by which the decision (data wise) that supports your premis that the MA was UNHEALTHY!
If the data proves your case...then lets see the data!999000
Originally posted by Grits
Respectfully 999, and I am not trying to be rude just blunt, but HT doesnt owe you any explanation beyond what they posted, which was crystal clear to me. They sure dont need to justify anything they do with THEIR privately owned business to you or me or any other cusomer of theirs.
We rent a room in their hotel, if they change the carpet or paint the walls to a color we dont like, we either get used to it, or we check out. [/B]
It's always troubling when people make statements and you ask for the data by which the statement is based.....and they give you nothing! -- 999000
Respectfully 999, and I am not trying to be rude just blunt, but HT doesnt owe you any explanation beyond what they posted, which was crystal clear to me. They sure dont need to justify anything they do with THEIR privately owned business to you or me or any other cusomer of theirs. -- Grits
They sure dont need to justify anything they do with THEIR privately owned business to you or me or any other cusomer of theirs. -- Grits
Originally posted by 999000
It's always troubling when people make statements and you ask for the data by which the statement is based.....and they give you nothing! I can certainly respect a position different from my own perspective but give us SOMETHING by which the decision (data wise) that supports your premis that the MA was UNHEALTHY!
If the data proves your case...then lets see the data!999000
The punter NEEDS a reasond explanation as to why he should trade in his faithfull beloved for the newer upto date product which comes down to benefits.
or can you forgive a coder for not managing the aspect of BENEFITS ?
Coca-Cola decides that for the company to advance they need to adapt their product
Originally posted by DaPup
I own a Plumbing & Heating wholesale supply company....
Originally posted by TexInVa
You and I need to talk.
Originally posted by ALF
What I see at this point is a baseless attack/troll to begin the thread. Please enlighten us with your scociology skill MrDick. I think that , yes there is some discomfort anytime there is change, and taking a large group of people and splitting them amoung several areas, even on a volentary and non perminent bases, can cause some degree of angst. However, I am also forced to remind myself that smaller, more memorable groups tend to form tighter, and more meaninful bonds.
In a MA populated by 600-700 player at any given time, and a rotating base of over 2000+, you tend not to recognise many people. I work in a building with thousands of people....and I know very few of them, and have little sense of belonging with all of the people in the buiding....noone is going to start chanting, "Big glass bulding 105 Rules....Big glass building 103 Sucks"....too many people....we just dont care.
In an arena with only a few hundred, we will move back towards what AH was a few years ago, and you will quickly start to recognise many of those around you, friendly and enemy. Sure some people will float between the arenas, but a good portion will stick in one arena more than not. This also will help make use of an otherwise wasted planeset. Why fly an older model, if the newer is better in every way? Now players who like older planes have a place with at least a little more parity. So we have more sense of community, a better opportunity for those who like older planesets, and on top of all that, we will now have another valid reason to add some very cool early war planes.......why did we need a sociologist again?
Originally posted by hitech
ALF: You have just stated our resones, almost as if you were a part of our discussions.
HiTech
Originally posted by PyroTry reading it again, maybe it will help.
Thanks to your patronage Aces High has grown to the point where a single Main Arena is no longer a sufficient solution. It is time for us to move beyond a single main arena. Today during the weekly terrain change, we will be revamping our arena structure with an entirely new model. We’ve looked forward to this point because instead of just simply offering more duplicate arenas, we’ve planned to use this opportunity to diversify our offerings by making different arenas based on different time periods. So instead of having a single arena with all planes available (which naturally emphasizes late war planes), we’ll have 3 different types of Main Arenas- early-war planes, mid-war planes, and late-war planes. This will give us far more diversity.
We hope that through further growth we can add even more diverse offerings such as more time periods and perhaps even time periods outside of WWII such as WWI or the Korean War. This format will also provide more impetus for us to try and comprehensively develop the plane and vehicle set with stuff that would otherwise get swallowed up by the late-war monsters and see little use outside of special events.
Multiple Mains may seem like an oxymoron, but in fact it isn’t. It’s not just a matter of semantics because they are all connected through the same scoring, squad, and perk point databases. If your squad decides to spend the night in the Early MA, they don’t need to reform the squad there because it already exists. There are no separate scores or perk points for these different arenas- it’s all shared. In that regard, these Main Arenas are all one in the same. It neither harms nor benefits your score or perk points to change which Main Arena you fly in from day to day. Perk points earned in one MA count towards the same total as in any of the other Mains. The only difference is what planes and vehicles qualify as a perk ride varies from arena to arena.
Being in this business a long time, we understand that people are creatures of habit and old habits die-hard. Going through any major change is uncomfortable until people become acclimated to the change. This change is especially difficult because we cannot simply add these new arenas; we need to redistribute how the arenas are populated. To accomplish that, we’re going to be reducing arena caps so as to not have one arena dominate just by virtue of everybody following the herd. We’ll also be using small terrains exclusively for now, but that is not a permanent change. Once we’re comfortable that people have acclimated to the new format, we’ll begin to work those elements back in.
With players spreading out, we are aware of the need for better tools to find and communicate with your buddies. We will be working on some new tools to handle this but for now that can be accomplished with the squadron message of the day. (MOTD). The squad MOTD will reach across all the Main Arena’s so the squad leader can be sure that everybody knows where to go on a given night.
Once again, thanks for your support. We hope you will find these changes refreshing. We’ve waited a long time to get here and we’re very excited about the many development directions this opens...
I'm going to shut down the first thread due to its size and continue here. I'll start off with a FAQ of sorts on some things that were brought up in the original thread. Keep it civil please.
Why did you make this change?
We made this change because it will allow us to support an unlimited amount of players in a much healthier online environment that gives us better long-term growth. The single MA has grown to the point of being unhealthy. This is not a subjective evaluation, it is quantifiable and they are numbers that we look at every day. It’s obvious that we simply cannot keep pumping more players into a single arena without hitting a stagnation point.
Why are you doing this now?
There’s a convergence of factors such as current arena health, player mass, time of year and a couple of things in the pipeline that we believe will provide an influx of players. Taken together, we believe this is the best time to make this transition.
Is this being done for technical reasons?
No. While some people on lower end machines may see some performance benefit, it’s not for technical reasons that the change is being made.
This is going to fracture the community.
We disagree. Communities grow and healthy growth requires structure. Just packing in as many people as possible creates a slum, not a community. We now have multiple neighborhoods in our community, but they are all connected.
The caps need to be adjusted.
The cap numbers as well as the numbers of arenas will undergo adjustment as needed. During the transition, we feel its important not to make them too large in order to overcome habit and herding behavior. Things will change as we move through the transition period and people begin to regain their comfort level.
We need better tools to find or communicate with people across the different arenas.
We agree. We have some host side changes that will be coming out shortly that will facilitate cross arena communication and hooking up with your squad mates and we’ll continue to develop more things that will help in this area.
Are you crazy?
No, we are rational and unemotional about this. We don’t undertake a major change because we’re masochists; we make the change because we believe that it is ultimately what’s best for the game.
Why didn’t you take a poll or announce it earlier?
It wouldn’t be useful to us for this change. We know it’s going to be controversial. The real test is not whether people think they’re going to like it or dislike it, it’s what happens after we make the transition and things are settled. I didn’t like beer the first time I tried it but I’ve grown quite fond of it since then. The transition is the worst part and we have no interest in dragging that out opening up a conflict of speculation before it even starts. We ultimately have to do what we think is best for the game.
Originally posted by 999000
Slap Shot I'll tell you what I feel has been the most drag on the game....or maybe what Hitech has described as "unhealthy" or what I pearsonally have found most offensive.....That being the rude, bully and general **** attitude demonstrated by not all BK's ....but by several ...of you who seem proud of the fact that you want to be jerks to the rest of the community.
999000
Originally posted by Sloehand
Yup, more pricelss 15 year old mentality -- "I'm happy, so you shut up and take it in the shorts crybaby."
Originally posted by Guppy35
....but there was very little steamrolling of empty bases.
Originally posted by mussie
Hey ya 999000
Mate I have only encountered you a couple of times in the MA and from those encounters you seem like a decent sort of guy.
When your flying a C-47 its seams impossible to get someone to throttle back and cover you, but the last time I ran into you in the MA you covered my C-47 with your B-17's....
I think that your the first Non-Squaddy that I have encountered who would do that.
In saying that I can understand that HT is a bit pissed, I really dont see how they have lied to us or how they have been unethical.....
As for the health of the AH community, well I think that the BBS is a good example of the problems in the AH community, so I did a number of search's on the BBS using strings that I thought would be found in negative posts (whines if you want).
Now the vBulletin search facility is not perfect (I could not search on things like LA7, Ord and other small words) so these numbers are not concrete evidence of negative posts but I think it is a good start.
Originally posted by Tumor
Well... now I saw the polar opposite the other night. There was a squad thier doing nothing BUT that. No, let me adjust a little. They were TRYING to do it, but as soon as defense show'd up they'd pile over to somewhere undefended. So, while they sucked at taking undefended bases and didn't... they were trying for a couple hours.
:)
I thought it was hilarious.
Originally posted by cav58d
I'll take 99999000000000 covering me in a goon with B-17's, over 2 of the best fighter sticks in the game!
Originally posted by 999000
Slap Shot I'll tell you what I feel has been the most drag on the game....or maybe what Hitech has described as "unhealthy" or what I pearsonally have found most offensive.....That being the rude, bully and general **** attitude demonstrated by not all BK's ....but by several ...of you who seem proud of the fact that you want to be jerks to the rest of the community.
999000
Originally posted by hitech
999000: Considering you have called my integrity into question, consider yourself very lucky you are still with us.
Originally posted by hubsonfire
The more you insult us personally, the more you prove HT right. The healthy community you describe shouldn't have to resort to insults and character assassination when they are unable to make any logical argument to support their position.
It is the people like you, with your penchant for perpetually harassing those who don't agree with you, who've dragged this game down. You don't know jack **** about any of us, so cease with the personal attacks already.
Originally posted by hubsonfire
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
Originally posted by hubsonfire
5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.
Originally posted by hubsonfire
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
Originally posted by hubsonfire
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
Originally posted by hubsonfire
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
Originally posted by hubsonfire
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
Originally posted by hubsonfire
5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.
Originally posted by hubsonfire
5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.
Originally posted by hubsonfire
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
Originally posted by hubsonfire:p
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
Originally posted by 999000
Hub you and the Bk's have a reputation....I have seen you and other Bk's in the past try and bully others and tell them how they should play the game.....There is a reason you have this reputation.
999000
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Didn't you just bully and demand that HiTech release his private, proprietary information to appease you?
-- Todd/Leviathn
Originally posted by Simaril
Del, could you pop a cold one for me?
I'll pass on the popcorn, thanks.
Originally posted by 999000
Hub BTW if my 159 post are harrassing ...what is your 3,663..who's dragging the game down?
999000
That reputation you mention was placed upon us by people like you, who don't know us or know the first thing about us.
Originally posted by hubsonfire
Please do not agree with me. You've earned your reputation honestly.
Originally posted by Overlag
i dont remember seeing that.......
Originally posted by detch01
Del, Golde, Simaril, shove over. I brung beer. Any popcorn left?
asw
Originally posted by detch01
Del, Golde, Simaril, shove over. I brung beer. Any popcorn left?
asw
Originally posted by 999000
Hub you and the Bk's have a reputation....I have seen you and other Bk's in the past try and bully others and tell them how they should play the game.....There is a reason you have this reputation.
999000
Originally posted by Mugzeee
999. Seriously we all know that factually, it is a matter of opinion...nothing more, nothing less. That is the fact. So the data that you seek doesnt exist.
Originally posted by Pyro
snip The single MA has grown to the point of being unhealthy. This is not a subjective evaluation, it is quantifiable and they are numbers that we look at every day. snip
Originally posted by Westy
(um, no affiliation with Hub or the BK's and they did not pay me to say that)
Originally posted by pluck
this is all a big conspiracy. *looks for skuzzy hiding behind grassy knoll*
Originally posted by hitech
999000: To put it as directly as I can conserning our propriatary data.
Go suck an egg.
HiTech
Originally posted by hitech
999000: Considering you have called my integrity into question, consider yourself very lucky you are still with us.
Originally posted by hubsonfire
Squad forums, active interest in the community, and I've been on the boards since Jan of 03.
I'm also not the one going around posting "soandso is a jerk" and "his squad is a bunch of *******s who have **** attitudes and are all jerks" in every thread I can find with a BK posting in it. That's you. That reputation you mention was placed upon us by people like you, who don't know us or know the first thing about us.
So, in response to your question... the people like you.
Originally posted by hitech
999000: To put it as directly as I can conserning our propriatary data.
Go suck an egg.
HiTech
Frankly though the majority of what is broken has nothing to do with HTC or the game design. The broken part is the players,
Originally posted by Guppy35
The funny thing is I've seen more 'integrity' in the game in the last 2 days then I have in a while.
As Shifty pointed out, folks are talking more, and getting to know people in the game which can only help build the community.
I can only speak for mid-war at this point, but I saw more instances of folks staying out of fights to let guys finish it, guys saluting each other over a good fight, and just generally being much more civil, realizing it's only a game and that the people in it are good for the most part.
That doesn't mean there weren't buffs. Saw lots of 17s, Lancs etc, but there was very little steamrolling of empty bases. Guys were talking about not HO'ing and running and it was just more fun for me that way.
LW is what the old MA was. I don't know what else you want 999.
We have more options now to fit all kinds of AH flying types. That can only be a good thing.
lazs2
Senior Member
Registered: Sep 2001
Location: dixon, ca
Posts: 17686
999000sir just to say, I'd like to see anyone who can show 999000 not being the most civil, polite, and respectful player in the whole MA as long as I have known him.
he's a true nice guy period.
Originally posted by mussie
[SIZE=12]Posts: 17686 WTF[/SIZE]
Man I had to reread that, I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me
Thats like (basing the calculation on 6 years) 8 Posts a day...
Assuming that each post had 100 characters in it that would mean you have typed 1.7 million keystrokes on the AH BBS alone....
Whats you keyboard look like, Man can you even read the keys on it, I bet the keys p.w.n.e and d are blank....
:p [/B]
Originally posted by xNOVAx
Just wow.. I've never in my life seen a company be so entirely rude to one of its customers or it's community.. Ever..
HiTech - For this statement alone, you may very well have lost a customer unless I'm convinced otherwise.. This goes well beyond your conversation with 999000, and I'm truly having a hard time justifying supporting a company that openly treats their customers as such.
Originally posted by Mustaine
999000sir just to say, I'd like to see anyone who can show 999000 not being the most civil, polite, and respectful player in the whole MA as long as I have known him.
he's a true nice guy period.