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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dago on November 14, 2000, 05:13:00 PM
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Was sent this, checked and it was from the new report site listed. I dont know if its true, but I wouldnt be surprised.
By Geoff Metcalf
2000 WorldNetDaily.com
President Clinton reportedly plans to visit China and Vietnam before the end of his term, and,
according to high-ranking Navy officers, the commander in chief will alter long-standing naval
regulations to allow the American flag to fly below that of Vietnam when
he sails into the communist nation's territorial waters on a U.S. Navy ship.
Highly placed Navy sources who spoke on condition of anonymity believe this
action on the president's part would further devastate already tenuous Navy
morale.
As part of his swan song, Clinton reportedly intends to visit two ports
aboard Naval vessels. Trip one takes him to thePeople's Republic of China,
which has a regulation that no war ship of any country may enter its
territorial waters flying a flag higher than thatof the People's Republic
of China. According to one Navy source, China and the U.S. have effected a
compromise whereby both flags-the U.S. and the PRC-will be flown from U.S.
naval vessels at the same height.
But visceral outrage is resulting from a proposed change to Navy regulations
that would result in the American flag being displayed subordinate to the
flag of Vietnam.
Navy regulations and tradition prescribe that no country's flag will be
displayed in a superior position to the U.S.flag.
However, Vietnam's rules reportedly demand that the Vietnamese flag shall
always fly in a superior position to any other country's flag. High-ranking
naval officers, speaking on condition that their names not be published, say
the reason for all the alarm, anger and career-threatening
rhetoric is that Clinton allegedly has either ordered, or is about to order,
the secretary of the Navy to amend regulations to permit the Vietnamese flag
to be displayed over the U.S. flag.
I'd like to blow the @#&*% thing up!" said one frustrated officer. The
United States Navy Regulations began with the enactment by the Continental
Congress of the "Rules for the Regulation of the Navy of the United Colonies"
on Nov. 28, 1775. So a long and proud history bolsters the long-held Navy
tradition that no country's flag will fly higher than that of the United
States.
Commenting on the report, Col. David Hackworth, America's most decorated
living war veteran, said, "What's new? Clinton has done everything else to
dishonor the flag, why not make it number two? "He added, "Congress ought
to pull this traitor's travel plug ... now."
Calls to the Navy Staff Operations and Special Events office were referred
to the Public Affairs Office, which then referred WND to the news desk. When
WND outlined the scenario, the spokesman- whose first comment was, "Wow" -
later called back to say, "We haven't been able to find anything on it yet, but
we're trying to run the story to ground."
Adm. Thomas B. Fargo, commander in chief of the U.S. Pacific
Fleet, reportedly has visited the People's Republic of China recently also,
although the reason for the trip is not known.
NOTE: Some of you may wonder what the fuss is about, but please remember
that the Navy prides itself on honor and tradition. The Naval Officers are
not being "childish and petty" when they speak out against this. Morale is
at an all-time low, and military commands do notneed to once again be
berated for their job.
How does this "slap in the face" decision fall under the power(s) of the
Commander in Chief? It reminds me of when Hillary ordered that uniforms not
be worn by the White House in-house Marines. This order still stands, if you
visit the White House today, 8 yrs. later. What used to be a sought-after,
privileged job, is now seen as a tour of punishment by these young Marines
who stand around in civilian clothes. They not only lost their uniform but
their self-esteem to be seen in the uniform theyare asked to defend.
How much more can the people that are asked todefend our freedom take?
The crews on the Navy ships leave their families andloved ones
behind more than 6 months at a time. Everything possible should be
done to praise and encourage them for their dedication! Clinton
will enjoy his boat ride for a few hours and never look back to see the eyes of
the men and women who serve our country. Just as the Clinton Administration
will never look back at the damage that has been done to our Military and
to this Nation.
Please foward this information to your E-Mail list.. It is being blocked by
all major news media.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_metcalf_news/20000823_xngme_american_f.shtml (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_metcalf_news/20000823_xngme_american_f.shtml)
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Geezus... They just don't quit do they?
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WHAT???
Is the same site that reported the 5 cent per email to the USPS?
(Hey, it's reported on a net site...must be true.) This is just fanning the flames of hate...I think we have too much of that in the world.
Two words: Off Topic
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2 more words.......who cares?
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Originally posted by -rkat-:
2 more words.......who cares?
most Americans, especially those that tend to be patriotic... Like US Armed forces, like me.
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Un diddlying believable
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I do not believe this could possibly be true.
The United States should never fly its national flag, a flag that symbolizes freedom,liberty, dedication, and unswerving loyalty of its citizens to be flown lower than that of another nation. Surely Vietnam, a nation that takes pride in its heritage also, that reportedly has such an order inplace for its own government, would never try to subject a nation whith the same national pride to do differently. To do so would be an insult to the very people who fought so hard in that conflict not so long ago, to the very people and the families of those who gave up their lives to defend the flag of the United States and the ideals it upheld.
This is just my opinion.
Kronos
[This message has been edited by Kronos (edited 11-14-2000).]
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As a guest of a nation you should respect their traditions, their culture, their requests. Just as they should respect yours.
Just as you would have guests to your home respect you. If you cannot offer such respect to your host then perhaps it is not time to visit them yet.
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Whats going on here? For months we couldn't get vulcan to talk about anything in the arena but noodlees and anuses. Not he's giving advice on international affairs? Whats up with that??
Next, we're gonna hear that creamo is going to seminary to be a minister.
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What are you refering to easymo - the story itself? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
This thing was written back in August. It is now three moths later, and the Prez is only now overseas, yet hasn't even set foot in Vietnam.
This bit of "reporting" consisted of Metcalf calling a bunch of people in the Navy and elsewhere, laying out this bit of "information", and recording their reactions.
He called one war veteran and this veteran, expressed his outrage. Understandable, if this story were even factual.
He then called the Navy Staff Operations and Special Events office itself, who replied that that they werent aware of anything like this. They then called back later to say still hadn't been able to find anything on it, but were still looking.
The people, those "High Ranking Navy Officers" who would "only speak on the condition of anonymity", and who perportedly supplied Metcalf with this information, had such juicy tidbits to say as "I'd like to blow the @#&*% thing up!" - refering to Vietnamese flags. Well, interesting sentiment perhaps, but excuse me if I find this to be irrelevant. Also worth noting that this comes from a guy who demands respect for his own county's flag.
All this from the "journalist" who gives us such articles such as:
'God, guns, & rock 'n' roll'
'China's plan to control the world'
'The governments' secret trillions'
'The U.N.'s shocking millennium agenda'
'Rediscovering our revolutionary roots'
'Speak English'
'Armed for change'
Dago, thanks for forwarding us this pile of trash. When Clinton actually GETS to Vietnam, I would expect you to come back and confirm this flag story.
And I also have serious questions for those of you that lap this stuff up so readily. When ya pull yer chute and float down to the ground in AH, these little white dots start to appear. Are you one of them?
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Dago - do yer homework here. Come back and tell us what really happened. Shouldn't be too hard, and I'll gladly eat my words (opinion of this story aside).
[This message has been edited by Nash (edited 11-14-2000).]
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Originally posted by -rkat-:
2 more words.......who cares?
As a Navy depenent ya damn well better believe I care. Just one more nail in the coffin of the dems.
Kronos I could see Clinton doing something like this to further his own agenda.
Vulcan there is such a thing as taking it too far. I can almost see the PRC flying at the same hieght as the US flag in thier territorial waters.
But I can not see, in any form, fashion, or manner, the US flag being subordinate to any other nation's flag aboard a US man of war. It's just not right.
Hell the captain of a US man of war at sea is the most powerful man in the world. An autonomous totalitarion 'government' with all kinds of neat things that go boom (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Personally, if I were the captain of that vessel, career be damned but billary would be getting off my boat by the quickest means possible.
"on the 1MC: Extend the plank off the fantail, VIP departing"
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<S> Nash.
First, many of you complaining about liberal media propaganda sure seem quick to believe this kind of crap. The same holds true of the media as does for data about A/C and weapons: always make sure your sources are reliable. Just because somebody wrote it doesn't mean it's ture.
Secondly this is WAY OFF TOPIC. Put it in the O' Club with all the other propaganda.
Finally, while our President wouldn't do such a thing, I would point out that the militaries of places such as Syria, Libya and Chile need to assert they're the best in the world; as long as we've got the scoreboard to point to we can be liberal with ceremonial niceties.
As long as we can reduce the other guy to a pile of smoking rubble, we might as well smile and make them feel self-important.
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Nash. Even if this story is completely untrue. The fact that there is someone in the white house, who no one would be surprised to learn, is capable of doing such a thing. Is outrageous.
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Kinda weak easymo.
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Im sure hillery,s lap dog would agree with you.
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Originally posted by Kronos:
I do not believe this could possibly be true.
The United States should never fly its national flag, a flag that symbolizes freedom,liberty, dedication, and unswerving loyalty of its citizens to be flown lower than that of another nation.
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I completely agree Kronos. If any country doesn't respect the fact that our flag stands for freedom and liberty we should moonscape 'em.
Hey you peeple come make movie?
Not this time pal.
- Dennis Leary
Incidentally I see you're posting from Mildenhall. I was stationed at RAF Lakenheath. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Navy regulations and tradition prescribe that no country's flag will be
displayed in a superior position to the U.S. flag.
What a stupid regulation. I love the United States, and I think it's the greatest country in the world, but it's regulations like this that confirm the rest of the world's opinion that the USA is arrogant. So, what if every country had a regulation that their flag must be higher than everyone else's?
Jeez, this kind of unyielding pride is exactly what caused World War One. The nations had a chance to prevent the war from starting, but nobody would compromise, out of stupid, pig-headed pride.
How about a compromise with everyone, where the hosting country gets to have their flag slightly higher than a visiting nation's flag? Or, God forbid, all the flags fly at the same level?
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"Thousands of people gathered in clusters along the route from Hanoi's international airport just before midnight Thursday in what was believed to be the largest turnout ever for a visiting head of state."
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banana, I'm assuming you haven't served in the military? There's a bit of history and tradition behind not dipping the flag, or flying it lower than other country's flags. The only flag that can be flown above the US flag is the UN flag, and that is how it should be.
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LJK_Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)
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If you believe this story, then you're probably a bit gullible. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
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Er... didn't you guys get that? Clinton didn't come in on some ship with the US flag lowered.... He flew in.
StSanta - it's so much worse than just being gullible... it's actually *wanting* to beleive it. So much so that you'd be willing to discard reason. And it's damn irresponsible.
Now, I *know* I'm talkin' to a mostly Republican crowd here. What is the essence of that platform? *Personal* accountability.
Excercise that and quit actin' like a bunch of sheep.
[This message has been edited by Nash (edited 11-17-2000).]
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I'm not an expert in international relations, but wouldn't it be reasonable to have all flags flown at the same level?
It would symbolise sovreignty and independence tempered by friendship and a recognition of shared values.
Saying that the US flag should always be flown above any other national flag is a bit of a slap to the face. Go to the UN building, or the European Parliament and you'll find that every flag is flown at the same level.
That is why I find the story a little hard to believe. Especially in light of Nash's information on the other 'reports' this 'journalist' has posted.
I completely agree Kronos. If any country doesn't respect the fact that our flag stands for freedom and liberty we should moonscape 'em.
And you're in the US military? I hope to god you're not in any position of authority...
[This message has been edited by Dowding (edited 11-17-2000).]
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Hblair you SOB come over here and clean all the grape juice jettision outta my nose onto my monitor u biatchy. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Torque (edited 11-17-2000).]
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From StSanta's Dictionary Of Words And Other Things:
Flag (n).
Usually a brightly coloured piece of rag used by politicians to entice young men to die for litte reason. Similar in form and function to the piece of fabric used by a matador.
It's a good book.
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}
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Originally posted by Dowding:
I'm not an expert in international relations, but wouldn't it be reasonable to have all flags flown at the same level?
Saying that the US flag should always be flown above any other national flag is a bit of a slap to the face. Go to the UN building, or the European Parliament and you'll find that every flag is flown at the same level.
The US flag is flown at the same level as other nations' flags, it just can never be flown lower by regulation. (US Army Regulations 840-10; 600-25)
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LJK_Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)