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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: xrtoronto on September 17, 2006, 12:06:12 PM
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An Italian nun was shot dead at a mother and children's hospital by unidentified Somali gunmen, doctors said Sunday.
Hospital doctor Mohamed Yusuf said the nun was shot in the back. The nun's bodyguard was also killed, doctors told The Associated Press.
The nun, who has not been identified, was shot at the entrance to the hospital in northern Mogadishu by two gunmen armed with pistols, Dr. Yusuf said.
A Somali man who worked at the S.O.S. hospital was also killed.
Yusuf Mohamed Siad, head of security with the Islamic courts, who control the capital, Mogadishu, said they had arrested two people but could not give further details.
"We are very concerned about this," he told The Associated Press. "We have arrested two people in connection with this."
The nun, who spoke fluent Somali, was believed to be around 60 and had been working at the hospital since 2002, said witnesses at the hospital on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.
It was not immediately clear whether the killing was linked to increased tensions between Muslims and Christians over a speech made by Pope Benedict XVI last week.
Earlier Sunday a leading Muslim cleric in Somalia condemned the Pope for causing offense to Muslims.
"The Pope's statement at this time was not only wrong but irresponsible as well," said Sheik Nor Barud, deputy leader of the Somali Muslim Scholars Association.
"Both the Pope and the Byzantine emperor he quoted are ignorant of Islam and its noble Prophet," he told journalists at a news conference in Mogadishu.
Somalia has been without an effective government since warlords overthrew its longtime dictator in 1991 and divided the nation into fiefdoms. The Islamic fundamentalists have stepped into the vacuum as an alternative military and political power.
The volatile nation in the Horn of Africa has been a particular concern to the United States, which has long-standing concerns that Somalia will become a refuge for members of Osama bin Laden's terror network, much like Afghanistan did in the late 1990s.
The country is also awash with weapons since it was plunged into civil war.
source (http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article1604207.ece)
What a bunch of f****** animals:mad:
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Somalia is one clustered you-know-what. The place is best buried and forgotten.
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oh yeah , how to win friends, kill a nun working at a hospital, that will convert a lot of christians to Islam.
to quote, stupid is as stupid does.
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Its no longer political nor racial, it is now religious.
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Islam is a religion of peace, and you better not ****ing forget it!
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if you want to create a global religious war that's the way to go about it.
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Bad people come in all shapes and sizes, creeds and faiths.
One of the largest massacres of the early part of the war took place at a gymnasium in the village of Bratunac in April 1992, when an estimated 350 Bosnian Muslim men were tortured to death and massacred by Serb paramilitaries and special police.
Source (http://www.gendercide.org/case_srebrenica.html)
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what happens when they pop the Pope?
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dowding, i would not use serbs as representative of western civilization, if you knew serbs ( i do) you would know they are extremely prejudice against any one who is not serb, being of eastern orthodox religion , they hate roman catholics with a passion and they are very generous with their hate, they spread it around.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Bad people come in all shapes and sizes, creeds and faiths.
Source (http://www.gendercide.org/case_srebrenica.html)
And yet when you hear news of a suicide bombing in Iraq or Israel, or a hijacking, or a Church being burned, it's not the Serbian Paramilitary or Secret Police that automatically jump to mind as far as suspects.
I know, I know. The Muslims are the eternal victims here, with no other way out.
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And yet when you hear news of a suicide bombing in Iraq or Israel, or a hijacking, or a Church being burned, it's not the Serbian Paramilitary or Secret Police that automatically jump to mind as far as suspects.
heh, so true, sad....but still true.
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Originally posted by Neubob
And yet when you hear news of a suicide bombing in Iraq or Israel, or a hijacking, or a Church being burned, it's not the Serbian Paramilitary or Secret Police that automatically jump to mind as far as suspects.
I know, I know. The Muslims are the eternal victims here, with no other way out.
HEY! Don't make me get the boys and have to remind you.
Islam is a religion of PEACE.
Got it?
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Hello Dowding,
I'm not going to attempt to be an apologist for the Serbs, but a couple of points need to be made.
First, the ongoing war in the Balkans, like it or not, is in part a result of the forced Islamicization by the Turks of that area. Following their successful conquest of the Byzantines they attempted to carry the Jihad into Europe and got as far as Vienna before being stopped. Their long-stated intention was to convert Europe by the sword and the fact that the Bosnians and Kosavars are Muslim is a testimony to their partial success in that endeavor. Since that time, the Muslims and Christians in the Balkans have been almost constantly at war. During the WW2 for instance, the Balkan Muslims sided with the Nazis and assisted them in their "purges" both of Jews and Serbs. The attrocities committed against the Serbs, who sided with the Allies, are ancient history to us, but still remembered in that region.
Secondly, and this is far more important than the first point, the Serbs are not currently waging a worldwide "crusade" using terrorism and intimidation to establish worldwide Orthodox hegemony or establish it as the only acceptable ideology. Nobody, in New York, London, Madrid, or Mogadishu in their right mind is afraid of being killed by Serbian terrorist cells, additionally Serbian emmigres throughout the world do not riot, kill nuns, bomb churches, or burn effigies when somebody has the temerity to suggest that the Serbian Orthodox church is not the supremely peaceful answer to all our problems temporal and eternal.
This is really getting to the point of absurdity. During the Second World War, if someone had objected to the Nazi ideology and in particular the slaughter of the Jews and called for action to stop it, and someone else had responded "look the French Catholics killed thousands of Huguenots on St. Bartholemew's Day 1572, so that means we should just shrug and ignore it" people would have (at best) laughed them to scorn.
This practice of bringing up any example from the past to justify ongoing Islamic Jihad in the present, is not going to solve our present day problem, which is clearly not the Serbs. All its going to do is cause us to attack each other. Do you really think that Europe lambasting America and vice versa will end the Jihad? Or is it just a new version of the tried and true methodology of "divide and conquer?"
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Originally posted by Urchin
Islam is a religion of peace, and you better not ****ing forget it!
...or they'll blow up you, your family, your neighbors, your dog and a couple of convenient passersby to prove it! Don't matter...we're just less-than-human unbelievers, anyway.
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Seagoon
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Serbs and muslims are oranges vs pumpkins.
Serbs did indeed score in the campus- Hitler style, while the pumpkins are bicycle-bombing babies to get a seat next to Allah.
Both bad stuff, but off from comparison apart from bad....
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the serbs had a military/nation one could target, the cheekbones muslims don't ... too bad really, it'd make everything so much easier ...
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...the Serbs are not currently waging a worldwide "crusade" using terrorism and intimidation to establish worldwide Orthodox hegemony or establish it as the only acceptable ideology.
Perhaps because Serbia is not a religion? The individuals were Christian however and regardless of past history, they committed terrible crimes against people of another faith - that is my argument.
My example demonstrated one religious faction committing atrocities against another. It is perfectly valid. No religion has a monopoly on barbarity. Barbarity is an age-old pastime for mankind and this nun's murder is a drop in a very deep ocean, tragic though it may be.
It seems to me, Seagoon, is that you are desperate to paint all Muslims as one singular group, with no allowance for the variation of individual thought amongst that group. Every post you make has this continuing thread of prejudice.
Now prejudice is a strong word, and I don't use it lightly, believe me. I believe there are others on this board who are also prejudiced. They are generally pretty stupid, and prejudice seems to often go in hand with stupidity. But you are different. Clearly intelligent and scholarly, you are less explicit. The above quote is a prime example of that; you imply that Muslims "are waging a worldwide crusade." Not some Muslims. Not specific militant groups. But all Muslims. You never qualify your statements - they are always general and never discrete.
As a religious man, you attack another religion with a distrubing zeal. Most religious people I have known have respected other faiths and recognised the value in understanding and tolerance. Now before you, or others jump to the cliched response of "liberal hand-wringing", I'm not talking about understanding terrorists or extremists. I'm talking about mutual respect between moderates. Of course, the religious people I have known would argue the other faiths are wrong or misguided, but there always seemed to be respect. I see none of that in your posts. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you talk the language of a fundamentalist.
I try to keep an open mind regarding fundamentalism of any kind - secular or religious. But I am wary of it; religious fundamentalism claims spiritual purity, but often seems very interested in more earthly concerns, like power and control. Christian fundamentalist, Islamic fundamentalist. Just a different branch of the same tree.
I wonder how you arrived at the opinions you hold. But of all the people on this board I disagree with, your posts interest me the most. They are generally a good read, I'll give you that. But the prejudice turns me off, I'm afraid.
This practice of bringing up any example from the past to justify ongoing Islamic Jihad in the present, is not going to solve our present day problem, which is clearly not the Serbs.
If you want me to overlook any hint of apologist behaviour towards the Serbs, then kindly do the same for my posts. I never suggested overlooking anything. Any rational person would be disgusted by what happened to the nun - I feel no obligation to show that in some ridiculous, neanderthal "let's nuke em all" post. I know that is par for this particular BBS - my apologies for not conforming on this occasion.