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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Pyro on November 14, 2000, 09:46:00 PM
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This forum has gone beyond off-topic. So much so that it drowns out any 'relevant' off topic discussions. I don't mind the political debates although the endless cycle gets tiring, but it is stepping on everything else. Perhaps we need an off-off-topic forum for these types of discussions. Regardless, check your flamethrowers at the door. The thing I hate about political discussions is that while they may start out as intellectual discussions, they rarely end that way. The Rush Limbaugh and James Carville wannabes flock to the argument like moths to a campfire and that's all your left with in the end, just a bunch of bickering demagogues spouting mindless propaganda. And even that doesn't really matter as long as it's kept civil among participants. But if it can't be kept civil, then it's not in our interest to host these discussions, so keep it civil.
Let me know if you think a secondary off-topic forum would help stratify things a bit better.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Pyro,
Yes please.
Even I can hardly stand the message boards these day's. It is turning friends into enemies and even more so, turning my relaxation into frustration. I am even ready to deal with more C-hog whining.
So please add another off topic thread just for political bantering so I can get back to the business of enjoying my spare time.
Thanks
F4UDOA
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Well, I thought this WAS the O/T area.
Sort of hard to decide which topics are "too off topic" unless you intend to put out a little guidance.
For example if we have 2 O/T areas, which discussions go where?
Whatever.... the BBS is on HTC's server. Do it the way you like.
Yah gotta admit though...the H/O, LW, C-hog, Hispano and FM whines have sure died down since people started venting frustration with the world here instead!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Pyro, do you mean we can post Jokes again ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Saw
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Originally posted by Toad:
Well, I thought this WAS the O/T area.
Sort of hard to decide which topics are "too off topic" unless you intend to put out a little guidance.
It is the off-topic forum right now, but it has become such a political forum that no other off-topic thread can exist very long in here before it gets buried. I don't have anything against these discussions as long as they're kept civil, but perhaps everybody would be better served by another forum. Since these types of discussions are things you either specifically want to read or don't want to read, it seems logical to me. As to what the guideline would be as for what goes where, I don't know yet but it's not a big deal if most people can agree.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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I have been as guilty as any, and will no longer post in the forum. My apologies, I did think this was the appropriate forum.
As for the tone of the debate, there are two things you can seldom discuss peacefully; religion and politics. These are the core beliefs of everyone, and of course tempers flare. I am an even-tempered person on most accounts, but in my core beliefs I am solid and will not waver. Better to say nothing than to compromise my beliefs.
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Maybe have 'The O'club' and 'The O'club (religious politics)'
All the political and relgious type threads would go in the religious politics board, and all other OT stuff in the The O'club (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Does that mean the cheerleaders with the flaming pom poms will have to move to another OT bbs as well? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Geez, here we are right in the middle of history and HTC wants to .censor!!!!
Hey, ya let RAM ramble why not us!!!
LOCK AND LOAD!!!!!!!
RUMMMMMMMMMMBLE!!!!
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[This message has been edited by 1776 (edited 11-15-2000).]
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Heyas Pyro,
I don't think it's that big of an issue, actually. We've gotten to kind of know one another through AH, there is an historic situation occuring, and we're just discussing it with people we've come to respect.
Hell, I actually think it's healthy.
This will blow over. Fortunately, it is certainly not spilling over into the Arena.
If you create a forum called "politics" or what-not, that would be OK. But I suspect this is only a temporary thing.
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I've actually kind of enjoyed the discussions recently. I've managed to learn a few things, and see the points of view from other vantage points. It's impossible for everyone to agree on some issues, but that's what makes it a debate. The arguments have become rather heated, but no one has resorted to "yo momma so fat" replies YET (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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LJK_Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)
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I have found "the O club" to be one of the best forums there is. Even though I still only play WB, I have found this forum to be better than any of the iEN/AGW forums. I could almost play AH based on the people in this forum alone (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
That aside I am not an AH player and will refrain from posting in the future since much of what I have posted is rather "out there", hehe.
Salute AH, still lurking but not posting (well I'll try anyway)
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Wrench
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Pyro, what we need in here are more Liberals to counteract all the right-wingers in here. If you can't supply us with any, I suggest you rename this forum to the "Rush Limbaugh Forum". Hehe, I feel like a Salmon swimming upstream in here. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
On a positive note, this is the most fun I've had on the AH BBS in a long, long time. Actually, this forum is no more repetative that the General Discussion forum, and it's a whole lot more fun. And if guys like Crabby would stop being so reactionary, we might even get some decent, rational debate going.
A seperate political forum would be fine with me, though.
[This message has been edited by banana (edited 11-15-2000).]
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Historically speaking, in ready rooms, pilots talked about things in this order:
Women
Jokes
Political happenings (Usually regarding the war)
So, that being said...I'm sure you haven't read every one of my posts, but I stress to keep it civil, attack the politicians, not each other, and I've posted my recommendations of finding non-partisan ground where all parties can start reconciling differences rather than draw a line in the sand.
Sure, you'll always have the 'flamer' walk thru the door, no different than a busy bar when the inevitable beligerent drunk comes in and sits down...but I think most here have done a pretty good job restraining themselves from an all out personal attack on one another.
I've learned a few things, I've even reconsidered changing my view points about a few things, its help me understand how the other side feels.
But hey, your board, your forum, I'll stop posting politics if thats what you wish.
I think a separate forum would be a bad idea, since that would be a green light for some to really make personal attacks on political matters more so than this forum. The beauty of a forum like this is one post may be a funny joke, the next a political post, and the one after that a review of a new sim out on the market, its full of diversity.
<S>
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 11-15-2000).]
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Pyro
Personally, I'm done.
As this forum is pretty much useless anyway, it doesn't inform as much as it inflames. It won't change anyones loyalty, you are what you are, you believe what you believe.
As for the election, may the best lawyer, er man win..
Back to AH and da planes...
Eagler
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Just givre it a little more time Pyro it will be over soon enough.
Though it's been distastful at times I think this forum has served it's purpose of keeping the political BS from other forums.
It all should be over within a month and then it will get back to normal.(as normal as this forum gets at least)
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Wrench, ya better join up and become a rook or a knight. I will be looking for your pink plane!!! Am puttin your name on 50 cals now!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I agree, this forum is GREAT.
USA Election 2000 will be over soon enough, and we will be on to other world events.
And those who wish to tell jokes can still do so:
If you saw Gore drownding in a raging river and had to decide to save him or take a Pulitzer Prize photo, what shutter speed would you use?
There is a new soup coming out for the holidays, called Clinton Soup. It consists primarily of a small weener in hot water.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Gunthr
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I vote we name the 2nd O/T area:
"Never Argue Politics or Religion"
That should give, unsuspecting board readers enough of a heads-up.
No one is forcing anyone to read any of these topics.
Therefore, I find it hard to understand those that protest even as they participate. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
OK, let the "naming contest" begin!
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I see no problem with the O-Club as it is... but then I don't make the rules (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
I might have been insulting and personal (but that's quite a subjective thing anyway), and for that I apologise. But I've had people do the same to me and I couldn't really care less - most of them are an ocean away (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
For the most part I think the discussions can be quite good, despite the reactionaries around here, and I do keep coming back. I enjoy having discussions with people who have diametrically opposing views (eg Toad), and it also surprises me that we agree occasionally (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
This election will be over within a month, and we can look forward to the British General Election early next year! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I stopped reading and posting to the off topic forum as of Friday (except for an attempt to post a joke). Got tired of being yelled at and yelling back.
Its much more enjoyable to post in the other forums about WWII stuff. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Sisu
-Karnak
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There is a penchant for overreacting to stuff around here. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I have not asked people to cease these discussions. I have asked two things- 1. To keep it civil. 2. If having another forum would be better due to the amount of traffic.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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haha this is too funny. Pyro you crafty devil you, look at it, lefties and righties are agreeing on something.
Curses pyro, we will get you yet! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Dnil---Skyhawk until I get Dnil back :)
Maj. 900th Bloody Jaguars
Part time aircraft restorer. www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer (http://www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer)
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Originally posted by Pyro:
There is a penchant for overreacting to stuff around here. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I have not asked people to cease these discussions. I have asked two things- 1. To keep it civil. 2. If having another forum would be better due to the amount of traffic.
I was going to get off the politics anyway. I've been limiting my exposure to it via the radio & tv the last few days as it was affecting my mood needlessly. Realistically speaking we can't do swat about it but sitting around and cluck like a bunch of old hens. I'd rather not know viewpoints of others here in this virtual world if it turns my opinion of them negative. I will continue to post humorous (non political) thoughts here and stay mainly in the game forums.
thanks anyway
Eagler
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I hope this doesn't mean I can't call the French "Frogs" anymore (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
AKDejaVu
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Well, I guess I did bring up the War of Northern Aggression.
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"And if guys like Crabby would stop being so reactionary, we might even get some decent, rational debate going.
Rational debate??? In who's opinion??? The Liberals??? Oh, i see. In Pyro's and banana's opinion. Screw that.
I see the assault on the Constitution by the Democrats as serious, and emotionally charged. Not something to "debate" at all.
But, whatever. I can get plenty of "filtered", bogus, and slanted "opinion" from the US Media. No need to read the same BS, and not be able to respond in a like-manner, here too.
Well, im signing-off this Forum. I'm not interested in milk-toast Politically Correct(and boring) discourse.
It was fun, i'm off to tune-in James Carville and Rush Limbaugh. Unlike some, i'm not afraid to listen to other people's opinions.
Cabby(Spelled C A B B Y for banana, who i assume is a spelling-impaired resident of Palm Beach County)
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Pyro is a liberal? In Texas? Fire him! lol j/k of course, you rock.
Pyro, maybe you haven't heard, but Liberman plans on attacking video games specifically after the Columbine incident. Any and all games with violence (exploding planes with people in them with 30mm cannon would surely qualify) are going to be under the gun. Don't take my word for it, call up one of the guys at Id software (they are close to you guys) and see what they have to say.
Hope this qualifies as a little more "on-topic".
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Cabby inferred I was a liberal so it must be true. You make my point for me. Cya Cabby. <wave>
Hey Gman, long time. Hope things are going well for you now.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Hey Pyro. Ya things have been cool. Great work on the sim so far, we're all in awe here still.
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This forum has gone beyond off-topic. So much so that it drowns out any 'relevant' off topic discussions.
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Lol Pyro! sorry (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Perhaps we need an off-off-topic forum for these types of discussions.
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Lol, wouldnt that then be an On-Topic forum? sorry again Pyro (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I get what your saying but it seems aweful, well...........how do I say, Gore'esque
couldnt resist...Doh! Lol
Y (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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tsk tsk tsk ... (edit?)
Yeager, just keep it civil, and everything's cool.
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Leonid,
Lol (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Your a good guy, sorry you read the damn thing before I could correct myself.
Shall we duel (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Yeager
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Originally posted by Yeager:
Leonid,
Lol (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Your a good guy, sorry you read the damn thing before I could correct myself.
Shall we duel (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Yeager
Duel? Of course not, Yeager! You don't know how relieved I am to see this post! To be honest, it shocked me to see what you had written. I just couldn't believe it. These last few days have to be the lowest I've felt in AH for awhile, so to see your post here in response to that mess - it's a million bucks, baby (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Take care, Yeager.
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Interesting topic- You guys need to have a beer.
Anyways, if anyone is getting all spooled up for the carrier ops, your next trip to the Bay Area should include a visit to the USS HORNET.
USS HORNET (http://www.uss-hornet.org/index.asp)
There's all kinds of neat special events too like-
Saturday, December 9, 2000 -- The Living Ship: Pearl Harbor
Experience the exciting sights and sounds of a working carrier. Witness an airplane being lifted to the Flight Deck and sit in the cockpit, learn about the role of TBM Avenger in WWII, participate in mission briefings, and more.
Check it out.
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Pyro, still considering this? Its been 4 years! :)
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if i read what pryo is saying correctly, he asks us if we want another o'club forum just for political "discussions" because the politics seem to push the other topics off the screen.
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Shoulda done that al long time ago.
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Spliting them would kill both. I say it is a bad idea.
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Hey rip, possible that nobody checked the dates on the first post?
Anyway.
ARNOLD FOR PRES. in 2008 !!!!!!
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Originally posted by ASTAC
Shoulda done that al long time ago.
were planning on it, 4 years ago...
bloody trolls
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I said it last night and ill stick by it.. After a winner is decleared then ill congratulate the winner and leave the election stuff alone for 3 more years... Number one is done and so am I :)
Can't actually say that I have seen alot of whining by the loosing side today, but alot of stuff coming from the winners.
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I woud'nt worry about it, it'll be over and done with shortly
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At first I thought this was one more threatening "don't make me pull this car over" posts, but then I checked the date. Too bad, I always laugh when Pyro or Skuzzy issues their civility edicts from high atop Mount HTC...I imagine their voices with an echo, like God's, as they explain how our comments are too off topic for the uh... off topic forum.
It's good stuff. :aok
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I told my friends at work.....I have 24 hours to enjoy today. After that it's back to the old me.
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sorry to say pyro, and I think you know this, this o'club has lost you more than a few customers.
You would simply be better off without it. let the "other" bsb foist the bigotry, pornography, free speech perverters and general world hatred over on his boards, thats where all the dorks that get banned from here go anyway (at least until they can fake themsleves off as someone new here).
Do yourself a favour, in more ways than one and delete this forum permanently.
:D
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Yeager, you do realize it's voluntary to look in here, right? Or has someone played a joke on you and set The O'Club as your homepage? :D
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I still want to know what the hell this 'bsb' is that Yeager keeps referencing.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I still want to know what the hell this 'bsb' is that Yeager keeps referencing.
-SW
I think he's talking about AGW.
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AGW, huh? And this is where they keep all of the pornography and bigotry and free speech perverters? I must visit this place.
-SW
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whaa..linguine spinned liberals
grow a pair
I claim the percentage of people who play the game and read thsi BBS is small
No reason to change the Oclub
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i beleeive hees reffeeering to theee checksix bbs...bsb, i beleive, stands for bloody stupid bastard...
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This BBS is more fun than the actual game is.
It's also the best news source I know of on the web.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Spliting them would kill both. I say it is a bad idea.
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I sorta hate to say it but in the last few months I've wished there were 2 additional forums on this BBS - A politics and religion forum, and a for-sale forum. There have been a lot of interesting threads here in the O-Club that get forced off the page in just a couple of hours so only a few people ever read them. What forces them off? A lot of reasonably interesting topics that are mostly political.
So... I sort of like the idea of another forum for politics. Even slashdot opened up a politics page to deal with it because although the political discussions are important, they tend to drown out everything else and that's not good.
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Would still love to see a separate political forum. Hell, it might actually make the O'Club a fun and civil place to be.
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The Officers Club is a great place for all topics not directly related to playing Aces High. It's obviously one of Aces High's most successful attractions.
This presidential election was one of the most important in generations, so no wonder it generated lots of posts. That just shows the Officers Club forum is doing what it is supposed to do.
Aces High does not need more than one off-topic forum. It ain't broke, so please don't fix it.
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Originally posted by SOB
Would still love to see a separate political forum. Hell, it might actually make the O'Club a fun and civil place to be.
Hear hear......
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Originally posted by SOB
Would still love to see a separate political forum. Hell, it might actually make the O'Club a fun and civil place to be.
Civil? Since when did Civil become part of your vocabulary? Aren't you the biggest poster in Check Six forums? ;)
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We need a gay forum too.
: it says I'm a "member"... tee hee hee.
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Originally posted by SOB
Would still love to see a separate political forum. Hell, it might actually make the O'Club a fun and civil place to be.
I'm with SOB
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I say you allow weazel back.
G,D,R :D
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Originally posted by Gaylord
We need a gay forum too.
: it says I'm a "member"... tee hee hee.
You and Dowding can get by with PMs...