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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: FOGOLD on September 18, 2006, 11:28:53 AM
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A lot of talk just now, with next gen consoles being so good and TV's now pretty good PC Gaming is finished.
What do people think (leaving aside the fact that flight sims are never going to be much cop on a console)?
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Even the best TV can't tough a monitor for resolution and picture quality.
First person shooters suck with that crappy controller than consoles have. You need a mouse.
There will never be a flight sim for a console as realistic as its PC equivalent.
Look at that game Crysis which hasn't been released yet. It will be PC only because a console would melt trying to run it.
I think PC gaming is alive and well.
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If they build FPS games with a controler resembling a mouse+ keyboard, I wouldn't mind switching at all. Just can't do all those things with a single pad.
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It's been on the decline for a while... It's not dead yet, but if trend continues it soon will be.. You'll probably see small developers that produce low quality games still. But how can a private developer compete the EA's of the world...
Further more I have yet to see a new game that isn't really no more than a rehash of what has already been done. Can someone name a single title that has come out in the last 5 years that has push forward an new gaming concept? The only thing that seems to improve is the visual quality of games..
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Not unless console prices deflate..
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Console games are for kids. Therefore consoles have always been a larger market. PC gaming will survive, as it always has, as the system for adults. I hope consoles remain popular. The less kids in the PC gamespace, the better. They're like locusts; they ruin every community they infest.
Who cares about the likes of EA? All they know how to do is slap a new coat of paint on Madden every year. It doesn't take a big studio to make a good game. Quite the contrary--every new game I care to play is made by a smaller studio.
J_A_B
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The only reason why PC gaming might lose ground is that console games cost much more than PC games, are much harder to pirate and buying a console ties you to a certain brand with no upgrade path other than buying a 'next gen' replacement.
Simply put, consoles are more profitable for producers and way more expensive for the end-users.
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I am just a bit worried that the cost of the new graphics card we buy every year or two could buy a whole console.
I agree with most of the points, but I have been amazed how good some of these console games look and how smoothly they run even though their processing power is quite often tiny compared to our power hungry PC setups.
How do they do that?
One thing that is important for the cost/benefit point of view is that we have to get back to the idea of a PC doing a multitude of things. We PC nuts have always been fond of having a dedicated gaming machine, but with multi core processors and much more stable operating systems, surely this is no longer necessary?
Thanks for contribuuting to this thread guys.
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If you take the latest Xbox 360, buy all the little gadgets and gizmos, the $50-60 games, etc,...You could have bought a PC. Even Dell's entry-level sets are running about 400-500 dollars. The basic Xbox 360 is still 400. And it can't do all the things the PC can. Add into it, People use their PC's for alot of tasks that a game console can't. No, The market will probably stay like it is for awhile.
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why pc gaming won't die, ...mods.
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holy crap crysis looks amazing
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How do they do that?
Simple, they don't have Winbl0ws .Net Drm 1nD3}{1nG servizes and stuff to hog your resources. Matched hardware, minimized OS overhead and boom you have an ultrafast setup. It's a bit like putting 100hp engine to a motorcycle and comparing the same engine in a houseboat called Vista.
Well, the fact that games can be coded hardware specific doesn't hurt either. PC has too much variety for its own good.
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Every time a new console comes out someone always cries that PC gaming is dead. Load of horse chit.
Consoles will beat out PC only the first year the console is introduced since it is using the latest and greatest technology while most PC gaming computers are 1 to 3 years old. But the next year usually finds PC games back on top since every year the video card manufacturers put out their new cards and gamers upgrade their PCs. You'll see this trend happen again when Microsoft releases Vista along with DirectX10. The video card makers will also be releasing cards compatible with DirectX 10, further increasing their edge over consoles.
ack-ack
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It's a really lame move from Microsoft to force gamers into upgrading to Vista by implementing DX10 only to Vista. Looks like I won't be playing future titles because I sure am not getting the V bloatware.
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The "Golden Age" of (MS) PC gaming was about 92-98: That period between when the Atari ST and Amiga had ridden into the sunset and specialized gaming hardware (=video cards) came in.
Generally speaking, a computer manufactered within a couple years of a game release could play that game. Some would work less well than others, and PCs were always a configuration nightmare.
Graphics Accelerators are great, but they had an unintended consequence: at the moment of purchase, the buyer had to decide whether this would be a "gaming PC" or not. Over time the cost of specialized game hardware, particularly video cards, has increased. While this is super cool for the gamer who wants to play the hottest titles in 1920x1200 8xFSAA on his Quad-SLI setup, it is a problem for the market: think of all the computers -- even new ones -- that can't play the current generation of games.
So I would hazard that while the number of PCs in households in the major markets has slowly increased since the mid-Nineties, the number of those PCs that are capable of playing current-generation games has dropped off noticeably.
Meanwhile, the costs for development of current-generation games have increased. Higher resolutions and hardware capacity means more artwork.
The price has remained stable.
That is not a good mix. And if you look at console sales, you'll see that consoles sell a lot more titles.
Will PC games disappear? I don't think so. But the market is already moving to certain poles:
A) Casual Games. Lower development costs, a wider range of PCs can play them.
B) MMORPGs: for the Massively Multiplayer Online Chatroom, nothing beats a PC. Use standard addiction psychology to develop a huge user base, and they won't care if the graphics aren't supercool. And a box purchase+subscription model makes the most of the lifestyle.
C) Niche markets: simulations. The open hardware model of the PC makes it a necessity for sim freaks.
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Is PC gaming dead? mmm.
No i think that modern consoles are just slowly actually evolving into Standardised PC's.
Maybe this is microsofts cunning plan to finally be rid of Machintosh, introduce low cost PC's to the future users, burning the brand 'Microsoft' into thier poor little innocent brains.
then in a few years add mouse, keyboards and "ta da" every home will have a Microsoft Standardised PC in thier home.
So the question is not will pc gaming die, but will PC's become more standadised in the future as price lowers and power goes up? creating a standadised mass market for all gaming/simulation developers to aim at again?
And if it doesn't? well with the globe opening up and direct 2 drive purchase of games theres always gonna access to enough people in the world to make a niche game profitable.
As a last note...
Its gonna be the publishers that are resigned to history not PC gaming.