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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Krusty on September 20, 2006, 12:06:55 PM
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They should have put the DB601 on the Focke Wulf! It would have turned the tide of the war!
What? Why are you looking at me like that? What were you expecting, some post about the recent arena changes?
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the jumo 213 worked decent in the dora....
but are you saying K.T. should have made the early 190's inline engines instead of radial????
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I would think, Krusty, that they made a good decision as it were. The better-performing inlines(read, DB-605-Jumo213 and up) were later war. the DB-601 was limited to about 1000-1200 H.P. The BMW 801 used in the early FW-190 started at about 1400. add into that, the 190 airframe was built to use an aircooled radial...you did'nt have the additional drag of the radiator, nor the vulnerability of one. You can see in AH that this is a weakness of the inline engined planes in the game. I would thing that with either a wing, or ventral mounted radiator, the drag offsets what you gain over that big ol' round corncob on the front. Not to mention, the radial is making more power to begin with.
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[SIZE=12]Touche Krusty [/SIZE]
:)
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Mussie: lol
Froede, the early BMWs had that potential, but never really manifested that much power. There were engine problems with cooling, and boost, and lots of other issues.
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Originally posted by mussie
i want to[SIZE=12]Touch Krusty [/SIZE]
dude??! :huh
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Well... The first impression is usually the correct one, at least in the eye of the reader, right B@finkV,? :D
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Truth be told it's not an uncommon reaction on Mussie's part. :t :p
However, unless Mussie is the gameID for a very hot female gamer, I can't say it will ever happen ;)
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Krusty, The aviation history online museum stated that Max HP for the BMW 801 as used in the FW-190A-8 is 1,700 H.P. the DB605, as used in the 109G series, is rated at 1,475. The 601 is more like 1,150. Plus, Due to ME-109, Me-110, and other applications, the supply of DB engines were already strained.
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Oh, to be sure! the BMW radial produced more raw HP later in the war, but in, say, 1941 and early 1942, it wasn't so reliable, as compared to the in-line DB600 series.
Imagine if they'd put the in-line in with a 109F streamlined nose? Without the Junkers' large radial housing it would have been much more streamlined.
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Streamlining mightof come close to make up for the disparity in HP, But I would have to wonder what it would have done to the Center of Gravity. The 190 is hard enough to turn as it is.
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Keep in mind the 190 had problems with the CoG as it was. They had to move the nose forward 6 inches, and even then had to move the centerline racks forward to balance it out. When the aux tank was added to the A-8 it further unbalanced it. I think a longer nose to move the CoG forward would only have helped
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Your a Bad Bad Man Batty :p
As for what mussie stands for.... Just think of Danny Devito if he was 6ft with a beard.... :)
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the supply of those inline engines used in the early 109s and JU88s was very limited which is why they designed the 190 around a radial.
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Exactly.
Not to mention KT, was very intimate with the design and performance characteristics of the Howard Hughs racer of the thirties, resulting in the design of an modern fighter around the existing radial engine technology, coupled with a streamline fusalage and wide stable undercarriage.
Not to mention the BMW provided an massive, (radiator free) shield for the pilot against the head on attack (<
Great plane. Good topic Krusty.
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well, rather than wonder what the 190 would have been like with the DB engine, how about wondering what the 109G2 would have been like with the 190 wings and tail surfaces? Toss in the better canopy and slope of the tail and you might have a fearsome fighter on your hands.
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What are you talking about Krusty????
109G-2 already IS a fearsome fighter ;)
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Well, Krusty...Ya gotta look at it this way. Bf-109 was designed in the late 30's. It was built according to the existing aerodynamic trends of the time. If you'll notice, alot of early war planes had similial fuselage shapes(High ventral area in back of the cockpit, Spits, P-40's, early P-51's, F4U's, etc.) and the wings were built with a chord and profile similiar to a racer's.
Add to this, Dipl. Ing. Kurt Tank, and Willy Messerschmitt were two different designers with different schools of thought. Willy did build a completely different fighter, the ME-209, with tricycle landing gear, bubble canopy, low-tail fuselage, as a follow on to the 109 series, but it wasn't procured by the RLM. It wasn't seen as being enough of an improvement over the existing 109 series to produce.
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Keep in mind the Fw190 first flight was in 1939 :P It was designed in the mid 30s as well!!
As for the Me-309 prototype, I think it had engine problems... Did this one have a rear mounted engine? Anyways, I've seen a model kit or two of it, it's not too pretty when on the ground, but "gear up" it looks a bit more aerodynamic