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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Toad on November 10, 2001, 09:37:00 AM
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Read All About It! (http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/11/10/ret.binladen.nuclear/index.html)
"ISLAMABAD (CNN) -- In an interview published in a Pakistani newspaper, Osama bin Laden says his al Qaeda group has nuclear and chemical weapons and will use them against the United States if attacked."
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Welcome back, you were missed. :)
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Toad, he can have something that can be called "chemical weapons", something like chlorine or fosgen (sp?), that were used in WWI. Any chemical factory with equipment built in last 70 years is capable to produce it.
When he speaks about "nukes" - forget about it.
I think that in a week or two he will say about their new super-puper quark bomb that is smaller then a tennis ball and will break the Earth in pieces.
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So far, the only weapons they have been proven to use against the US were box cutters. Think about it.
[ 11-11-2001: Message edited by: easymo ]
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Hes just playing his usual propaganda war, not dedicated for west, but for muslim world.
He states clearly that he nukes US if they nuke afganistan - US wouldn't nuke afganistan, he knows it well, so he can claim that since he would never have to prove it true..
So, the effects in muslim world?
this lunatics popularity will grow even more within muslims.
Also too many muslims might think he actually prevents US from nuking afganistan - they wouldn't believe crap on what US says, they think just that they are in war with afganistan and might as well just nuke it.
..at least after all that brainwashing or/and propaganda.
Lets not forget that september 11th was jewish conspiracy... right?
at least so those whos been brainwashed with propaganda thinks.
[ 11-10-2001: Message edited by: Fishu ]
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Thanks, Mr. Bill, I appreciate that. It's good to BE back.
Not 100% yet, but I'm working at it.
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Originally posted by Fishu:
Hes just playing his usual propaganda war, not dedicated for west, but for muslim world.
He states clearly that he nukes US if they nuke afganistan - US wouldn't nuke afganistan, he knows it well, so he can claim that since he would never have to prove it true..
So, the effects in muslim world?
this lunatics popularity will grow even more within muslims.
Also too many muslims might think he actually prevents US from nuking afganistan - they wouldn't believe crap on what US says, they think just that they are in war with afganistan and might as well just nuke it.
..at least after all that brainwashing or/and propaganda.
Lets not forget that september 11th was jewish conspiracy... right?
at least so those whos been brainwashed with propaganda thinks.
[ 11-10-2001: Message edited by: Fishu ]
Hmmm... Imagine what would happen if he chose to nuke himself. Why matyr yourself when you can matyr your entire country?
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On the other hand, we could use one and claim one of our conventional bombs set off his nuke :D
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I can't help but believe that if he had nuclear capability, we would not have seen airplanes crashing into the towers in NY.
He ain't got em. If he did, he would have used them by now.
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All Osamas got in his hands is a toejamload of Flyspray and a couple of second hand Microwave ovens :)
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Hello
Maybe he really have nukes, but not the modern small warheads that US have... Maybe they be able to build a hiroshima style Uranium bomb, but not more....
Andreas (JV44)
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nuke, hmmm nothing complicated if you have the necesery high isotope metals !
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Minus, the A-bomb is not as simple as it is pictured in school Physics text books.
Even now, with all he modern microelecronics that is cheap and efficient, it is impossible to make a Bomb without special devices, like "cryotrones" etc. Weapon Plutonium is a very rare and expencive substance, and I doubt anyone can buy it, maybe in Hollywood movies only. And you have to design an extremely precise and reliable detonating system, that includes many stages from shaping a plutonium "charge" (an impossible thing even in a lab with modern chemical and physical equipment) to making conventional-explosive "ignition" charges without any mechanical defects and testing the detonation system. First A-bombs costed many times the cost of the TNT that had the same effect (20,000 metric tons). It took USSR four years to make a Bomb, and it took the effort comparable to the Great Patriotic War.
Even a mass-production of "conventional" explosives is impossible without equipment and technology that costs millions dollars, requires highest-grade engineering personnel, and is extremely specialised. It is impossible to produce, say, 100 tons of ballistite gunpowder or even such a primitive substance as trinitrotoluene in Afghanistan now.
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Take a two story house with a basement. Run drill pipe from the basement to the attic. Fill the basement, and first and second floors with sand or gravel. Take your machined half-spheres of bomb grade and make a sabot to hold them square in the pipe. Duct-tape a stick of dymamite to the rear of each half-sphere assembly and put one in the bottom and one in the top, facing such that the half-spheres will form a whole on contact. The only thing that is hard is timing the firing of the dynamite, but a couple hundred bucks worth of good photo flash equipment will work.
Voila! Nuclear device.
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Yes. A nuclear device. Civil defence will have a hard time removing all that "hot" stuff spread all around, together with a few inches of soil.
Ever heard about detonation waves and geometry of an explosive charge? About "detonation lenses" used to straighten the wave front even in "cumulative" antitank hand grenades?
Ever heard that Plutonium is pyrophorus?
Hehe, glue tape :)
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Yeah, Boroda, I have heard, as a matter of fact. That(greatly simplified) description was given by the Good Doctor, not me. You must be an Engineer, because you are missing the forest for the tress. Sure, it takes what you say to develop a Nuclear Inventory, or reliable, deliverable, weapons, but for a down and dirty one, all you need is are the actual spheres, the rest is easy(relatively speaking, of course).
Edit-Let me put it a different way. To develop a missile capable of traveling 5000 miles and hitting a 100yard target would require many millions of dollars, if not billions, right?
[ 11-13-2001: Message edited by: Gadfly ]
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Bin Laden's nuclear secrets found
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001390014-2001395995,00.html (http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001390014-2001395995,00.html)
seems almost like a setup ... "Attempts had been made to burn the evidence, but many documents still remained. "
I'd think something as big as this would have been top priority unless it was meant to be discovered..by whoever planted by whoever.
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love that , boroda :D
beter prefer people beleve what u saying !!!!!!
hmmm the qustions plutonoium like plutonium, real problem is the where to get some polonium and other crap name, hehe any fast explosive it mean
wondering why that big efort ridiculose me ?
boroda ???/
i know toejam about me
[ 11-16-2001: Message edited by: minus ]
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Minus, I don't care what people believe, if they want to scare themselves untill their pants get wet, and journalists who are barely literate help them - there's no problem, especialy if that people live 10000km from me. I am quite calm, watching a scientific nuclear reactor from my window at work every day.
I studied at the "Physics and Technology of Explosives" branch of Moscow High Technical College (Baumanskiy) for four years. I wan't a good student, but I remember basic things quite good. Now I am an engineer in Chemical Physics Institute, Russian Academy of Science. This institute was one of the Soviet "defencive" science monsters, and covered nuclear research and explosives technology. Sorry for this boast :)
Explosive processes are a very delicate and in many cases unpredictable thing. Many practical results are very strange and some small things can absolutely change an effect of the explosion.
One "baika": Back in Soviet times there was a problem discovered with anti-tank cumulative (hollow-charge) shell, produced at one of the weapon factories. Absolutely identical shells made on other plants worked OK, but shells from this particular plant didn't penetrate armour at all. The shells were carefully studied and it became clear that the penetration stream didn't form! The cause was that on that plant someone "improved" the process of forming the cumulation funnel: the plunger that formed it rotated, and caused afterstrain in the funnel.
Such a small influence caused such a significant effect...
The devices that are used to monitor the process of detonation are extremely expencive and delicate. Imagine the camera that films the explosion, making more then a million frames per second! I doubt that "terrorists" will ever be able to get such equipment. All that talks about two dynamite sticks and a photo-flash are very funny.
AFAIU - what they found in Kabul were just conspects from school physics text books.
If you want more "baikas" - I can tell you a great Soviet secret about a T-72 turret structure ;)
[ 11-16-2001: Message edited by: Boroda ]
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But you did not answer my question, Mr Engineer: How many hundreds of millions of dollars, if not hundreds of billions, would it take to design and manufacture a missile capable of hitting a target 5000 miles away?
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Here, I'll answer for you: Less than 1000 bucks (http://www.orbitz.com/App/PerformFlightSearch?cache=1005951595444&requestId=237&lastPage=interstitial)
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ok Boroda , seems u like to play the big game :D
well i em not inaf creazy to profe anithing about my ex pass in CSSR at old time, but seems u teling thinks ewen without coruption or dynamo switched on your nose :D :D