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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Major Biggles on September 23, 2006, 08:06:32 AM
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what do you guys think would make a good initial planeset?
personally, i think it would be good to have a good span of the period, instead of just having uber camels Dr1s and D7s. might be nice to see some early war nieuports, and some light bombers too ;)
what do you guys think, what would you like to see if we did get a ww1 arena?
Dr.1s would be a must of course, red paint job to boot :D
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Fokkers, Sopwith, J8A, P11c and I forgot the otherone I wanted
Edit: Newport, but theres still one im missing
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I would think that visibility would be pretty awful in those biplanes, no?
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ZEPPLINS!!!
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In no particular order, just as they come into my head: -
Fokker EI
DH.2
Airco DH Series
BE2C
FE series
Avia
Nieuport series
Spad series
SE-5 and A
Sopwith Pup, Camel Snipe possibly Tripe
DH4
Pfalz series
Albatros series
Fokker DRI
Fokker DVII & DVIII
Rumpler
RE8 (re series)
FB5
Gotha Bomber
Handley Page O/200
Should cover recon/fighters/bombers early-mid-late.
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Sopwith Camel
SE5
DH4
Albatros DIII
Aviatik B.I
Fokker DRI
Nieuport 23
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Originally posted by Yoshimbo
ZEPPLINS!!!
:aok
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We would like to have the planeset from "Dawn of Aces" bt HT himself.
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DoA zepplin races were teh fun
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does the red baron skin get perked???
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Originally posted by Krypto
Fokkers, Sopwith, J8A, P11c and I forgot the otherone I wanted
Edit: Newport, but theres still one im missing
Agh, the J8A (aka Gladiator) and P11c are not WW1 era a/c.;)
I would start with a/c from 1916.
Nice WW1 site, http://www.wwiaviation.com/toc.shtml
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lol, there would have to be a hefty perk price on the fokker d7 :D
wasn't it named in the treaty of versailles (however you spell the silly word :D) as one of the conditions of the truce, surrendering all of them? something about the entente desperately wanting to get rid of em :lol
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Siemens-Schuckert D.IV, the Me-262 of WWI:
D.IV
Meanwhile the short-span D.IIc prototype had been further refined, and with narrower-chord wings the performance improved noticeably, both in top speed and in climb rate. An order for this model, now known as the D.IV, was placed in March 1918, and followed with several additional orders as the qualities of the design became obvious. The planes started reaching operational units in August, but of the 280 ordered only 123 were completed by the end of the war, about half of those reaching operational units. In October 1918 it was officially described as superior by far to all single-seaters in use.
Although the short landing gear and limited prop clearance led to tricky landing, the plane was otherwise easy to fly. It had a very short take-off run, and at heights above 4,000 m (13,120 ft) was faster and more manoeuvrable than the Fokker D.VII, at that point considered by all to be the best aircraft flying. Its most notable feature was its phenomenal rate of climb and extremely high service ceiling - it could reach 6,000 m (19,685 ft) in less than 14 1/2 minutes. In 36 minutes it could reach 8,100m, about 1,200 higher than the Fokker's maximum altitude.
Production of the D.IV continued after the cease-fire, with many being sold to Switzerland where they operated into the late 1920s. With the signing of the Treaty of Versailles all aircraft production in Germany was outlawed, and the aircraft portion of SSW disappeared. Siemens-Halske remained, later reorganizing into Bramo.
(http://airpower.callihan.cc/images/Early/siemens.jpg)
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Siemens-Schuckert D.IV, the Me-262 of WWI:
D.IV
Meanwhile the short-span D.IIc prototype had been further refined, and with narrower-chord wings the performance improved noticeably, both in top speed and in climb rate. An order for this model, now known as the D.IV, was placed in March 1918, and followed with several additional orders as the qualities of the design became obvious. The planes started reaching operational units in August, but of the 280 ordered only 123 were completed by the end of the war, about half of those reaching operational units. In October 1918 it was officially described as superior by far to all single-seaters in use.
Although the short landing gear and limited prop clearance led to tricky landing, the plane was otherwise easy to fly. It had a very short take-off run, and at heights above 4,000 m (13,120 ft) was faster and more manoeuvrable than the Fokker D.VII, at that point considered by all to be the best aircraft flying. Its most notable feature was its phenomenal rate of climb and extremely high service ceiling - it could reach 6,000 m (19,685 ft) in less than 14 1/2 minutes. In 36 minutes it could reach 8,100m, about 1,200 higher than the Fokker's maximum altitude.
Production of the D.IV continued after the cease-fire, with many being sold to Switzerland where they operated into the late 1920s. With the signing of the Treaty of Versailles all aircraft production in Germany was outlawed, and the aircraft portion of SSW disappeared. Siemens-Halske remained, later reorganizing into Bramo.
(http://airpower.callihan.cc/images/Early/siemens.jpg)
nice :)
given the choice though, i'd fly the fokker, it's just cooler :D
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Id like to see HT fly around the arena in Snoopy's doghouse guns a blazing
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One of the other games has snoopy's doghouse, don't remember which one though.
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i never realized the siemens schuckert d-iv was a V-strutter.
i wonder if it had the same diving problems that other V-strut planes (Albatros & Nieuports) had.
too bad teh old wing-with-wires board is gone
as for it being the 262 of WWI, there were faster fighters (Ansaldos, SE5) and more heavily armed ones (Sopwith Dolphins zOMG quad 0.303 = pwnage!!!).
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I want me an airship
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Id like to see HT fly around the arena in Snoopy's doghouse guns a blazing
Then I could finally make a movie to go with my song Snoopy vs the Red Baron!
And I want an Airship. One that can recover scout fighters. And yes, this was done.
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as long as the pilot model has a silk scarf. otherwise it would be completely uncivilized *sips tea*.
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might be fun to charge perks to carry more ammo belts for the guns :)
and HT could model zeppelins just like carriers, but with a better control system, perhaps even when you take command of one you can get into the bridge :) if we got airships, HT could probably take the 'flight model' from them, and alter it for use by submarines, which would be very cool :)
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
might be fun to charge perks to carry more ammo belts for the guns :)
and HT could model zeppelins just like carriers, but with a better control system, perhaps even when you take command of one you can get into the bridge :) if we got airships, HT could probably take the 'flight model' from them, and alter it for use by submarines, which would be very cool :)
Player flown, highly perked. To make it worth while for every friendly plane recovered you get like.... .80% of his perk points. No one can take it from you like a CV, there are some maching guns mounted for defense, plus all of your scout fighters... and people would launch from them because that way you can launch friendly fighters at 10k above everyone else! They have the E advantage the minute they take off! Plus, it would be wicked aweseome to land on a Zeppelin, and to land the zeppelin itself! But first we would need to model those aircraft which had the little hook to latch on.
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been playing crimson skies have we reynolds???
zeppelins weren't like big aircraft carriers, they were recon platforms, and sometimes carried a few bombs. would be fun to strfe em with tracer rounds though, big fireball :D
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If i had been engineer back than id construct a huge zeppelin with a pass through hangar in the middle where planes can land and take off in for refuling. Get them already some alt on take off :).
Can anchor the zeppelin hanging in the wind and connect a 4 km fuel hose from the ground to pump up fuel....
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hehe, it would have been cool :) would have been hard to keep the thing in the air though, and one lucky shot punching through the gas bags would bring an entire squadron to the ground, so i think they made the right choice ;)
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Originally posted by MiloMorai
Agh, the J8A (aka Gladiator) and P11c are not WW1 era a/c.;)
I would start with a/c from 1916.
Nice WW1 site, http://www.wwiaviation.com/toc.shtml
Dammit, I thought atleast one of you wouldn't notice. 1937,1939 should still count :P
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Sign me up - I'm a Triplane flyer from way back. Either Sopwith's or Fokker's!
If you aint got 3 wings, somebody stole 2!
EagleDNY
$.02
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
might be fun to charge perks to carry more ammo belts for the guns :)
and HT could model zeppelins just like carriers, but with a better control system, perhaps even when you take command of one you can get into the bridge :) if we got airships, HT could probably take the 'flight model' from them, and alter it for use by submarines, which would be very cool :)
if by "better control system" you mean the ability to steer it in real time rather than setting courses, then i think you are on to something.
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Originally posted by SMIDSY
if by "better control system" you mean the ability to steer it in real time rather than setting courses, then i think you are on to something.
steer it in real time, control alt and speed, that sorta stuff.
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
been playing crimson skies have we reynolds???
zeppelins weren't like big aircraft carriers, they were recon platforms, and sometimes carried a few bombs. would be fun to strfe em with tracer rounds though, big fireball :D
Yeah, I know, but we havnt limited the number of AC that can launch/recover from our CVs now, so why limit them on the Zepplin. I know they only carried 2-4, maybe 6 at most, but knowing the way on-line video games work, they would be unlimited if this were done.
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
hehe, it would have been cool :) would have been hard to keep the thing in the air though, and one lucky shot punching through the gas bags would bring an entire squadron to the ground, so i think they made the right choice ;)
you are mistaken, their only role was bombing. and they were harder to shoot down than is commonly assumed. in the early part of the war, nobody had incindiary bullets, so they were just shooting lead into the bags which did practically nothing. and once incindiary bullets were used more, the zeps still had a higher cieling than any fighters. the germans were a lot of things, but stupid wasnt one of them.
PS
WWI airships did NOT carry any aircraft EVER, so you dont have to worry about coding plane limits.
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Originally posted by SMIDSY
you are mistaken, their only role was bombing. and they were harder to shoot down than is commonly assumed. in the early part of the war, nobody had incindiary bullets, so they were just shooting lead into the bags which did practically nothing. and once incindiary bullets were used more, the zeps still had a higher cieling than any fighters. the germans were a lot of things, but stupid wasnt one of them.
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WWI airships did NOT carry any aircraft EVER, so you dont have to worry about coding plane limits.
Are you sure? Im not sure this happened DURING the war, but around that time, I have heard of and seen film of aircraft 'latching on' to an airship. They werent front-line fighters, but scouts. And I know im not the only one who has heard of this. It was only one or two, and connected only with small hooks, something like the 'Gremlin' (?) and the B-36 (?).
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those vids are from the inter war years. most of them are of the US Navy airships Achron and Macon which were built in the mid 30s.
here's a photo of a plane hooking up to the Macon. and these planes were only used for recon.
(http://spot.colorado.edu/~dziadeck/airship/images/usa/trap.gif)
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this wasn't in the first world war either
(http://aerostories.free.fr/appareils/compopara/I16SPB.jpg)
or this
(http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/050324-F-1234P-011.jpg)
the swept wing F-84s sure were nice looking planes
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Don't forget the Goblin either...
(http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/Museums/Dayton/Oddities/Goblin0900.jpg)
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Okay, so its goblin not gremlin. And what was that first one debonair? I-16?
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Originally posted by Reynolds
Okay, so its goblin not gremlin. And what was that first one debonair? I-16?
and the goblin was not used durring the war, nore was it successful after the war. it IS an I-16 specially modified with a completely enclosed cockpit to prevent the pilot from dying of exposure on long flights.
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Originally posted by SMIDSY
and the goblin was not used durring the war, nore was it successful after the war.
Really?!? Gee, I thought we had planes like that during world war I....
lol just joking. I know the goblin was cold-war era kind of work, along with that parasite that went with the Valkyrie.
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Spad 7+ 13
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Did any look at the link I posted earlier?
Here is another full of pics, http://www.earlyaviator.com/archive1.htm
And another good site on Nieuports, http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/nieuport.html
If you want your own WW1 a/c try, http://www.replicraft.us.fm/
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perk the SPAD XIII !