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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: cav58d on September 24, 2006, 05:11:30 PM
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Ever since the change, I find I cant go more than 1 or 2 fight's, without loosing total interest in the game and logging off...(and thats after winning the fights)...
It sucks...I have never felt so utterly board and apathetic about being an arena, as I have over the past couple weeks...
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Well jeez Cav, take a break and work on your signature :aok
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Originally posted by nopoop
Well jeez Cav, take a break and work on your signature :aok
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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AH=ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ BORING Gotta love these 35 eny planes while the other countrys get to fly what ever they want.......No taem work in this game anymore......Any one for Battlefield 2???
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:cry
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:aok Thats me and alot of other guys!!!
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Originally posted by Kaw1000
:aok Thats me and alot of other guys!!!
No doubt ... altho you are overstating when you say ... "alot".
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Not to sure that is an Overstatment
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Not to sure that is an Overstatment
I am.
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I'm NOT....I hear 10x more negative statements then positive ones.
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Originally posted by cav58d
Ever since the change, I find I cant go more than 1 or 2 fight's, without loosing total interest in the game and logging off...(and thats after winning the fights)...
It sucks...I have never felt so utterly board and apathetic about being an arena, as I have over the past couple weeks...
You are correct, sir.
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
I'm NOT....I hear 10x more negative statements then positive ones.
10x the negative statements made by the same 5 people ... over and over and over again. Hardly a majority.
Those who like it and are will to adapt are voicing themselfs in the arenas ... no need to bring it here.
Those who don't like it and those refusing to accept it need to come here and vent in the hopes that things will go back to what it was before.
Their venting will die down and they will either leave or adapt ... such is life.
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I'm not so sure either Slap, I am not crying about the change but I admit that I don't care for a few aspects of it.
I see 20-30 people that are for it and 20-30 people against some form of the change. With the amount of players that don't bother with the forums I'm sure that 20-30 on each side is rather large when all are taken into account.
I have played here since AW died (and tried it before that) and like the game so my $15 is staying put (I haven't played much in the last 8 months anyway). But I've seen plenty of people in here say that if you don't like the changes you must be a horde loving, cherry picking, non sociable, ho'ing, griefing, milkrunning, la flying, vultching drag on the game.
That's a pretty broad brush and it seems a little unfair.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
10x the negative statements made by the same 5 people ... over and over and over again. Hardly a majority.
Those who like it and are will to adapt are voicing themselfs in the arenas ... no need to bring it here.
Those who don't like it and those refusing to accept it need to come here and vent in the hopes that things will go back to what it was before.
Their venting will die down and they will either leave or adapt ... such is life.
I'd attack you right now, but seeing as how you live in Connecticut, and sure are path's will cross sometime in the future if we ever have an Aces High get together, I will refrain from doing so!!!!!!!!!! =) lmfao....
but seriously...NO...your wrong slapshot! 15 x's!
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Wrong again, not from the same 5 people. Also not strictly from the BBS, mostly in the game on text or chat. Small percentage of people that play the game come here and voice there opinions.
Why have a BBS? As you state they shouldn't bring there concerns here? Is it just OK for those that agree or like something can post in here?
Anyway I know what I hear about the changes and a vast majority don't like them. Will most adapt and suck it up? Probably. Still doesn't mean they can't voice there concerns about what they think, whether you or I agree or disagree with them.
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Pup ... bottom line ... it's changed ... it's not going back to what we knew.
Yes ... things needs to be tweaked and I honestly believe that HT will tweak it for the better.
Running around stamping feet in multiple posts, threatening to quit, I don't believe will change it back.
Think about this ... all the NEW people who come to AH will cut their teeth on the new format ... they will know nothing about "what was" ... they will either like it or don't like it ... they will make the same decision that you and I made, but their decision will not take into consideration of "what was" but rather "what is".
I think that HT and Pyro are betting that these new changes will hook the new players better than "what was".
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Originally posted by cav58d
I'd attack you right now, but seeing as how you live in Connecticut, and sure are path's will cross sometime in the future if we ever have an Aces High get together, I will refrain from doing so!!!!!!!!!! =) lmfao....
but seriously...NO...your wrong slapshot! 15 x's!
We have met ... shared wings and beer together ... had a great time and thought highly of you.
That doesn't mean we can't disagree on things ... I didn't attack so no need for you to attack ... I just voiced my opinion and would do so if we were to have some chili and beers at that Airport Pub ... what's its name ? ... cool place.
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Wrong again, not from the same 5 people. Also not strictly from the BBS, mostly in the game on text or chat. Small percentage of people that play the game come here and voice there opinions.
Why have a BBS? As you state they shouldn't bring there concerns here? Is it just OK for those that agree or like something can post in here?
Anyway I know what I hear about the changes and a vast majority don't like them. Will most adapt and suck it up? Probably. Still doesn't mean they can't voice there concerns about what they think, whether you or I agree or disagree with them.
Never said that they couldn't ... post away ... I know I do.
I just don't agree with all the Chicken Littles and fail to believe that they are in great numbers.
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I know Slap, heck I've been here for years so I remember before horde gameplay became the main attraction. There are many things I like about the game and a few new things that I am against.
I am not expecting anything to change back to the way it was before and I know there will be tweaks back and forth from HTC. But you are complaining about others complaints, seems rather silly to me
:huh
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NO time right now, have to go watch my Broncos play. :D
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
NO time right now, have to go watch my Broncos play. :D
LOL ... just got done watching the GIANTS ...
:furious :mad: :furious :mad:
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Originally posted by DaPup
I know Slap, heck I've been here for years so I remember before horde gameplay became the main attraction. There are many things I like about the game and a few new things that I am against.
I am not expecting anything to change back to the way it was before and I know there will be tweaks back and forth from HTC. But you are complaining about others complaints, seems rather silly to me
:huh
Your right Pup ... I'm done.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Never said that they couldn't ... post away ... I know I do.
I just don't agree with all the Chicken Littles and fail to believe that they are in great numbers.
I know im screwing with u....The place is called the "Wind-suck"...Well, it's actually called the "wingsock", but the suck is our pet name...I'm game..get a group together and let me know...
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Count me in Cav, I know Slap is only 40 minutes or so from me :D
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Originally posted by cav58d
Ever since the change, I find I cant go more than 1 or 2 fight's, without loosing total interest in the game and logging off...(and thats after winning the fights)...
It sucks...I have never felt so utterly board and apathetic about being an arena, as I have over the past couple weeks...
i agree, i do the same thing. To get a one on one u have to fly around for 30 mins or so untill u find one lonely con. The same map over and over, nothin changes. Then the envy turns on and u cant get a f4f. EWA and MWA are almost always empty but the LWA is always full(LWA is the old style m/a, same nik la7 and spit16). NO team work, hording is alive and well and furballing will suck up all the players making it a 2 fight map, and with nothin new on the horizon for this game its looking real hard to stick with it. I tryed to give this new setup a chance but its just hard when the room u want to fight in only got 30 guys(no matter what LWA always has above 100 players). I mean friday was always a hot day in the game, everyone is on and looking to get into the action, this friday i spent time attacking factorys because the map was dead. ALot of the british guys i used to see have disappeared, these guys are geting the raw end of the deal.... when the bulk logs off they log on. Yea this change was cool for the first weak, but when majority of the numbers flying lwa there aint nothin to fight in the other 2 arenas.
There tons of complaints, ALOT more then positive comments on the change. BUt guys defend ah and act like they can do no wrong, alot of "u dont on ah htc does" goin around. Stop being a fan boy, the change came out of nowhere(i feel that this change happened just to stall for MORE time for tod, imo). They should have said something before the begining of the month(before they charged us), this is one of the main complaints. Maybe a couple of guys would have left but i noe the majority would have tryed it out. Got stale quick and like ALOT of other guys(i was talking about this on the text today) im looking for other games to play. Finish up the month strong, and go on the the next game. Im fustrated, i though this would be a game i could stick with.
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Wha-choo talkin' 'bout Willis?
Sunday Night, 2100 Central
EW - 60
MW- 202
LW1 -238
LW2 -59
Looks like ~ 47% can get along just fine without LW.
And 60 on a small map is plenty.... if players are looking for a fight.
If they're hiding from a fight...well, speaks for itself as to gameplay.
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This is beginning to remind me of Air Warrior, with a few guys in WWI (EWA equiv) & a few guys in Korea, with the rest in the main arena. It was ok, but most only went to the other arenas when they couldn't go where they wanted to play.
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One can never satisfy you people :D
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Originally posted by Toad
Wha-choo talkin' 'bout Willis?
Sunday Night, 2100 Central
EW - 60
MW- 202
LW1 -238
LW2 -59
Looks like ~ 47% can get along just fine without LW.
And 60 on a small map is plenty.... if players are looking for a fight.
If they're hiding from a fight...well, speaks for itself as to gameplay.
2100 central, im on the east coast, and on top of that its sunday. look at the late war, it always looks like that.
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ummm... there's ANOTHER LW arena; it has more than enough folks for a good fight IF they're actually looking for a fight.
You figure they want to fight or hide from a fight?
60 is plenty in EW; had a great time in there tonight. But then... most of them were looking to fight.
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That has to be a record in Mid War. I've never seen more than 70 in there.
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Originally posted by MIShill
This is beginning to remind me of Air Warrior, with a few guys in WWI (EWA equiv) & a few guys in Korea, with the rest in the main arena. It was ok, but most only went to the other arenas when they couldn't go where they wanted to play.
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AW is dead for a reason
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Originally posted by SlapShot
No doubt ... altho you are overstating when you say ... "alot".
What would your take of "alot" be 20? 40? 100?
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
I'm NOT....I hear 10x more negative statements then positive ones.
Ever considered the fact that you might be hearing what you want to hear?
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Ever considered the fact that you might be hearing what you want to hear?
Have you Wilbus? Dont call us crazy, because you are the one's who wont even accept that a portion of the community actually does have a problem...open your eyes
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hmmmm.....Im feeling a Pink FLoyd song swelling in my prostate :huh
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Originally posted by Hades55
AW is dead for a reason
Yeah, it's called Electronic Arts.
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Originally posted by Toad
Wha-choo talkin' 'bout Willis?
Sunday Night, 2100 Central
EW - 60
MW- 202
LW1 -238
LW2 -59
Looks like ~ 47% can get along just fine without LW.
And 60 on a small map is plenty.... if players are looking for a fight.
If they're hiding from a fight...well, speaks for itself as to gameplay.
Seem to remember the old MA on a Sunday night would get 650+ players on, 200+ per country.
Lot of us (40 Bish anyway, can't speak Knits)) were in the MW arena last night just to stop the Rooks, so don't read too much into those numbers.
Could also say the people who are the most happiest (furballers) only consist of 10% (60) of the community.
Shows how you can skew figures.
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What's been funny to me is each time I enter one of the arenas, the moaning and wailing is going on both on country and 200, yet they're still there playing the game.
I asked one guy who was particularly verbal about his complaints why he was still flying.
The reply was essentially that he had nothing better to do, which was a sad commentary on his state of affairs in itself.
If the change is as bad as the moaning and wailing would suggest, those same folks are going to cancel their accounts and go elsewhere.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
What's been funny to me is each time I enter one of the arenas, the moaning and wailing is going on both on country and 200, yet they're still there playing the game.
I asked one guy who was particularly verbal about his complaints why he was still flying.
The reply was essentially that he had nothing better to do, which was a sad commentary on his state of affairs in itself.
If the change is as bad as the moaning and wailing would suggest, those same folks are going to cancel their accounts and go elsewhere.
If there was decent competition you never know.
But there isn't.
And thats the crux of the whole matter.
Bit like good old Uncle Bill and Windows, yup there are other OS's out there, but basically for the moment your stuck with Windows.
Probably a bad analogy, but you should get the drift.
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I guess I just don't see what all the fuss is about. The only thing different that I can see is there aren't 500 people in an arena. Instead you have 250.
I have yet, in my few excursions in to Latewar, seen anything but what I remember the MA to be. ENY gripes were going on with 500 people too. Rolling up bases doesn't seem to have changed. I sure saw the horde at work in there. The choice of aircraft is the same, and it's mainly LA7s, Spit 16s, N1Ks and 51s that i see, all doing the things they've always done.
So the beef seems to be wanting 500 people.
The nice thing for me is that it gives me more options. I can find a fight in all the arenas but now I know the variety of aircraft I'll see is better.
It does seem like the numbers skew in every arena, but that's the players fault because of a percieved loyalty to a chess piece, or needing a feeling of safety in numbers, or ultimately that 'need' to roll the undefended bases to 'win the war'
I wonder sometimes if the number of bases that could be captured was limited to a certain number in each country if you wouldn't create more fights. First the goal is to get the other guys base, next is to hold the line you've taken into the other guys turf. At a certain point you know you've gone as far as you can, now you have to hold it. You'd be channeling the fights into certain areas and negating the impact of those who milkrun empty bases.
The notion of 'win the war' would be replaced by the notion of 'holding the line". Folks still get base capture, but the air combat would also be intensified I think and the effort to take and hold those bases that could be taken would take more coordination and effort.
Oh well, wishful thinking I'm sure :)
As a side note, I do believe the 250 cap will in the end help build a better community in each arena as the tone of the people in those arenas is passed on to folks coming in the door.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
As a side note, I do believe the 250 cap will in the end help build a better community in each arena as the tone of the people in those arenas is passed on to folks coming in the door.
Yet to see a difference, still the same old, ack weeny, ho'er, runner, etc etc on CH200.
Only difference now is I can see it in 3 arenas :) .
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right on the nail.
I just dont like when im forced to fly another room to find a fight, u end up in the lwa anyway(the old style m/a) so whats the point.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Yet to see a difference, still the same old, ack weeny, ho'er, runner, etc etc on CH200.
Only difference now is I can see it in 3 arenas :) .
In the end it's still going to come down to the player base to set the tone. In the lower cap arenas, I'm hopeful that the vets can get the message across to improve the quality of play. My hope was it would be easier to hear those voices among the 250 then it ever was within 500
I was happy early on in Midwar as folks were asking before diving in on a 1 v 1, HO'ing was seen by most as a classless move. You could tell at the merge that guys were going to fight, not HO and GO. 200 was a much more pleasant conversation etc
I'm not sure it's sticking though as lately it seems the overwhelming number side, win the reset, capture all the fields crowd has moved in.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Yet to see a difference, still the same old, ack weeny, ho'er, runner, etc etc on CH200.
Only difference now is I can see it in 3 arenas :) .
In my experience, Kev, you're one of those guys spouting the same old BS. So yeah, you're going to find that kind of thing. That should go without saying.
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Originally posted by Toad
Wha-choo talkin' 'bout Willis?
Sunday Night, 2100 Central
EW - 60
MW- 202
LW1 -238
LW2 -59
Looks like ~ 47% can get along just fine without LW.
And 60 on a small map is plenty.... if players are looking for a fight.
If they're hiding from a fight...well, speaks for itself as to gameplay.
Last night I've seen the about same number but it was :
-early war horde
-mid war horde
-probably late war horde but I didn't check ...
I'm unlucky ???
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The reply was essentially that he had nothing better to do, which was a sad commentary on his state of affairs in itself.
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Mel Gibson would equate this as just more proof of the decline of western civilization :rolleyes:
Sad thing is, I would agree :cry
:huh
:aok
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
In my experience, Kev, you're one of those guys spouting the same old BS. So yeah, you're going to find that kind of thing. That should go without saying.
Yup, I can occassionally spout off (who hasn't), not denying it. But it's rare.
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ever notice how boring people that are bored are?
-GE -evil grin-
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According to my very perceptive brain and incredibly analytical nature, all them complaints are basically a big sham.
Nothing's essentially changed in the gameplay in all arenas. The same horde crap, same land grab, same dweeby guys, and same 'gaming the game'. The only difference is since the arenas have been apart, people can't do all that same shi* in their favorite planes. 'Woops, too much horde here, ENY kicks up, no more Lgay for you, sucker.'
So basically, in the heart of it all, all the whines and complaints actually have nothing to do with the arena format or gameplay. It's just another way of saying, "Waaaah, I can't fly my Lgay".
Damn, I'm good.
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Originally posted by cav58d
Have you Wilbus? Dont call us crazy, because you are the one's who wont even accept that a portion of the community actually does have a problem...open your eyes
I am not saying that a portion of the community doesn't have a problem.
Thus I do not need to open my eyes as they are already open. And even with em closed it is hard not to see all the whining on the BBS.
No, indeed a portion of the community is having a problem, it is just not my problem, and IMO a silly problem.
The Old style is gone, it isn't coming back. As it is now it is more emphasis on fighting rather then finding a large map and milkrunning every undefended field you can find.
I have been here for quite some time and this his, imo, brought us one step closer to the good old days.
WTFG HTC! Best thing that has happaned to AH in many years!
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The problem with the EWA is that it does not atract enough people and will continue to atract less and less people every day. The reason is that most people fight the war. That means thay have to destroy towns, FHs, VHs, and every single building on a base before capture. Not needed for the capture, but thats what they do.
The problem is that without the heavy buffs and the cannon monsters for efficient vulching, taking a base can be very hard. The EWA even though it is more fun to fight in those planes, will eventually meet the fate of the CT ro AA arena. A couple of squads will buy the rights to them :lol and wont allow anyone else to stay there. Eventually, it will be empty just like the CT. Whats so different between the CT and the EWA anyway?
Then, the MWA will follow. At the end, we will have 3,4, or 5 LWA arenas. Only thing acomplished will be that the number of people in each arena will be limited to 250 or what ever the number is. That may be good in a way.
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
The problem with the EWA is that it does not atract enough people and will continue to atract less and less people every day. The reason is that most people fight the war. That means thay have to destroy towns, FHs, VHs, and every single building on a base before capture. Not needed for the capture, but thats what they do.
The problem is that without the heavy buffs and the cannon monsters for efficient vulching, taking a base can be very hard. The EWA even though it is more fun to fight in those planes, will eventually meet the fate of the CT ro AA arena. A couple of squads will buy the rights to them :lol and wont allow anyone else to stay there. Eventually, it will be empty just like the CT. Whats so different between the CT and the EWA anyway?
Then, the MWA will follow. At the end, we will have 3,4, or 5 LWA arenas. Only thing acomplished will be that the number of people in each arena will be limited to 250 or what ever the number is. That may be good in a way.
so it ends up being the same lgay and dweeb 16, eny too high, jump to lwa2 or 3:lol .
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Eventualy, :rofl
I forgot to mention the people that play for score too. Very hard to make it out alive in a P40 when a 109F or a Spit is on your tail. So, guess where they will end up. In the LWA so that they can use the speed and the cannons of the LW planes.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
According to my very perceptive brain and incredibly analytical nature, all them complaints are basically a big sham.
Nothing's essentially changed in the gameplay in all arenas. The same horde crap, same land grab, same dweeby guys, and same 'gaming the game'. The only difference is since the arenas have been apart, people can't do all that same shi* in their favorite planes. 'Woops, too much horde here, ENY kicks up, no more Lgay for you, sucker.'
So basically, in the heart of it all, all the whines and complaints actually have nothing to do with the arena format or gameplay. It's just another way of saying, "Waaaah, I can't fly my Lgay".
Damn, I'm good.
Yup.
:aok
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Originally posted by cav58d
Ever since the change, I find I cant go more than 1 or 2 fight's, without loosing total interest in the game and logging off...(and thats after winning the fights)...
It sucks...I have never felt so utterly board and apathetic about being an arena, as I have over the past couple weeks...
damn, guess the old saying IS true "ya cant please all the people ALL the time!!""
funny how LOTS of people log on and can find a fight fairly easily. I have been pretty busy lately yet EVERYTIME i log in and go to ANY of the arena's i can always find several fights.
maybe its the time of day your logging on thats the problem.
besides your post is rather contradictery in the 1st part you state you log in find a couple of fight that you WIN and in the 2nd part you say your utterly bored ect. soooo whats the issue really? your finding fights, your winning fights but, after 1 or 2 your bored and log off, honestly i dont see what HT can do about this. Sounds more like your burnt out or possibly you need to start loosing some of these fights. Ofcourse then that opens up a whole other can of worms:cry
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Wild...I will admit, most of my complaining is because of being totally burnt out, and I know the only solution to this is taking a 2 or 3 week break from the game...But since the new arena's, the monster hoards and double digit ENY isnt making things any better for me personally...turns me off even more
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My comment about Air Warrior relates to the fact that ,if given a chance for an "old style" MA, the EWA & MWA would probably become orphan arenas, as AvA is now. I personally am having a blast learning the EWA planes & tactics- finding out how much I really suck-I thought it was a little, it's actually a lot. When I get in LWA it seems to be kind of like fighter town. The guys I feel for are the "tank warriors"- not much room for them th have a 6o player tank town.
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Originally posted by Hades55
AW is dead for a reason
Originally posted by scottydawg
Yeah, it's called Electronic Arts.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
There are those that know and...
I never played air warrior but I played some other game on the gamestorm service. EA fixed that quick..
:aok
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Originally posted by Domin
:rofl :rofl :rofl
There are those that know and...
I never played air warrior but I played some other game on the gamestorm service. EA fixed that quick..
:aok
lol, i think its funny, everyone hates EA (me included). iv'e never seen a company that can take perfectly good games, buy it out, then ruin it as well as EA:aok
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i bet if air warrior was still good alot of guys would have just not said a word and jumped ship.
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This just goes to show that a significant % of people will horde and attack empty bases no matter what the circumstances are--- LW2 had about 70 guys total--- all the Bish but the 4 or 5 who were tryin to suicide the Rook cv were ganging empty bases--first was 19, then was 20-- with 70 guys on the Med map, ya'd THINK there might be a nice lil fight or 2---but THIS is what some folks prefer to do--
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m248/bj229r/horde1.jpg)
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m248/bj229r/horde2.jpg)
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Originally posted by bj229r
with 70 guys on the Med map, ya'd THINK there might be a nice lil fight or 2---but THIS is what some folks prefer to do--
Dude. That is the structure of war.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Dude. That is the structure of war.
- oldman
structure of war? this is a game.
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Originally posted by bkbandit
structure of war? this is a game.
Its a simulation as well.
This fact seems to have been lost on a few people. As a 'game' it provides incentive for 'winning'. Benchmarks and rewards for individual progress are provided by way of 'scores', 'perks' etc.
If players do not like the fact that success in a war simulation is greatly increased by organized effort and a planned strategy then eliminate the incentive for it.
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Originally posted by smash
Its a simulation as well.
This fact seems to have been lost on a few people. As a 'game' it provides incentive for 'winning'. Benchmarks and rewards for individual progress are provided by way of 'scores', 'perks' etc.
If players do not like the fact that success in a war simulation is greatly increased by organized effort and a planned strategy then eliminate the incentive for it.
Many players don't give a rats a** about the so called "war". We're simply here to enjoy the fun or air to air combat and the company of long time, long distance friends.
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Originally posted by smash
Its a simulation as well.
This fact seems to have been lost on a few people. As a 'game' it provides incentive for 'winning'. Benchmarks and rewards for individual progress are provided by way of 'scores', 'perks' etc.
If players do not like the fact that success in a war simulation is greatly increased by organized effort and a planned strategy then eliminate the incentive for it.
Show me a squad can take a defended base with under 10 people, and I'll believe that organized effort and planned strategy apply. Milkrunning undefended fields has nothing to do with effort and strategy. It has everything to do with the path of least resistance. That's ok though, if someone finds it fun, it's their $15 (unless you're Dicho, then it's more! hehe)
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Originally posted by bj229r
This just goes to show that a significant % of people will horde and attack empty bases no matter what the circumstances are--- LW2 had about 70 guys total--- all the Bish but the 4 or 5 who were tryin to suicide the Rook cv were ganging empty bases--first was 19, then was 20-- with 70 guys on the Med map, ya'd THINK there might be a nice lil fight or 2---but THIS is what some folks prefer to do--
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m248/bj229r/horde1.jpg)
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m248/bj229r/horde2.jpg)
They're making the "best use" of their attack rating as to not allow their "fighter rank" dip.
Personally, cav58, I have been in the EWA 98% of the time since the switch. I have yet, NOT to find a fight. Yes, some go by the way side, but for the most part there are PLENTY of fights in the EWA.
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Originally posted by bkbandit
structure of war? this is a game.
Heh. Thanks, I agree with you. The quoted phrase came from another player, attempting to justify the use of overwhelming odds in AH2. Works in war, makes for crummy game play.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Many players don't give a rats a** about the so called "war". We're simply here to enjoy the fun or air to air combat and the company of long time, long distance friends.
Wilbus there must be more to it than that. If that was the sole driver then you and all your friends would just meet in the DA every night and have at it.
So what are the other factors that pull you into a EW/MW/LW arena where there is a "war" being faught?
I'm not being critical, just curious in trying to understand the dynamics of the psychology that drives all of us to participate in this addiction.
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Originally posted by Nifty
Show me a squad can take a defended base with under 10 people, and I'll believe that organized effort and planned strategy apply. Milkrunning undefended fields has nothing to do with effort and strategy. It has everything to do with the path of least resistance. That's ok though, if someone finds it fun, it's their $15 (unless you're Dicho, then it's more! hehe)
*shakes fist and throws $1.02 at you :lol
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Originally posted by Nifty
Milkrunning undefended fields has nothing to do with effort and strategy. It has everything to do with the path of least resistance.
That is the strategy. Maximum success with the least amount of risk in the shortest possible time. I find it very odd that so many express disdain for this when there are so many incentives to reward it.
There can be only two reasons for undefended fields.
1) the country has chosen to leave them undefended.
2) they are incapable of defending them for whatever reason.
Originally posted by Nifty
Show me a squad can take a defended base with under 10 people,
Far more interesting is a group of 10 that can defeat a base assault brought on by a group of 30 or 40. I have been on both sides of that equation. While I see lots of complaints on 'steamrolling' multiple fields it is my impression that there are fewer map resets.
Again, that is only what I perceive. One thing I will say is that after leaving the game for a few years and coming back one of the most striking differences is the overall feeling of 'nastiness' in both the arena and on this board. I de-tuned 200 within an hour of my first sortie.
There are some guys that I recognize on this board who are in favor of the change and have been flying for even longer then myself. So what the heck, and basically the three arena/time periods has given me what I always 'thought' I wanted, basically an RPS. But creating an environment that eliminates anything other then mid-air jousting is not really what I enjoy.
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Originally posted by MOSQ
Wilbus there must be more to it than that. If that was the sole driver then you and all your friends would just meet in the DA every night and have at it.
So what are the other factors that pull you into a EW/MW/LW arena where there is a "war" being faught?
I'm not being critical, just curious in trying to understand the dynamics of the psychology that drives all of us to participate in this addiction.
Nope, not much more then that.
What I enjoy is taking off, finding a fight that I know nothing about, don't know who I will fight, what he will fly, how many there will be, how high etc.
DA doesn't give these options. DA is more fixed.
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There can be only two reasons for undefended fields.
1) the country has chosen to leave them undefended.
2) they are incapable of defending them for whatever reason.
3) your population is so low that there is no possible way to defend all fields when ganged and horded.
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
RE: EWA :
The problem is that without the heavy buffs and the cannon monsters for efficient vulching, taking a base can be very hard. The EWA even though it is more fun to fight in those planes, will eventually meet the fate of the CT ro AA arena. A couple of squads will buy the rights to them :lol and wont allow anyone else to stay there. Eventually, it will be empty just like the CT. Whats so different between the CT and the EWA anyway?
Hey Bugs, the EWA is not much harder to capture bases in than the other arena's. They still have Lancasters for the perk hoarding bomber nuts, but the Ju88's and Bostons are very effective bombers. Additionally, the M-16's can take down a lot of buildings on the ground. 2-3 M-16's and an M-3 is all that is required to take a town. Our squad had a lot of fun using both of these methods to take 2-3 fields the other night. They were not milk runs. We needed a some help to pull it off, but it was very fun, and possibly more satisfying than in the later arenas.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
There can be only two reasons for undefended fields.
1) the country has chosen to leave them undefended.
2) they are incapable of defending them for whatever reason.
3) your population is so low that there is no possible way to defend all fields when ganged and horded.
Ran into this late night last night. Logged into Midwar and there were 6 of us Knits 20 Bish and 18 Rook.
Of course the Knit bases were being rolled, vulch pattern set up etc. Tried to up at one to slow it down and got vulched twice by the 6 guys in the pattern.
Went from the nearest base to try and get there with some alt and E since 1 on 6 is kinda tough anyway, but they got the field before I could get back.
Naturally the VH and manned ack had been killed before I got there.
Bottom line was there weren't enough of us to make a difference
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Originally posted by Kaw1000
......Any one for Battlefield 2???
Im already doin it, lets get our hammer down!
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I have not played much since the change, (not AH related) but did fly in the EW and enjoyed it until the only thing one could fly was a 110. A1 was being attacked repeatedly, and it was great fun and fair there, until you had to fly a truck against 109s, 190s, spits and so on. I got off, since flying in an arena where a few numbers can sku the plane set so much, is not for me.
It was just upping kills for the other side.
Is that a game? Is that the intent? Me thinks not! But that is what happened.
Maybe the answer might be, in all arena's, that, underneath the total allowed in the arena, limit the number that can join a given country until the balance is restored. Never let the numbers get so out of whack, and maybe that would help. Allow for some population flux, but don't let the arena get to the point where you are unable to fly almost anything.
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After almost 4 years for playing a game that I enjoyed I have decided to take sometime away from it, As it is set up now I've lost all desire to play, not all but alot of my friend that played during the day time have left, not all quit, but not playing, I'm not closing my acount yet but will wait awhile and see what happens. To everyone that I played with over the years HAVE FUN.
SFC John Brown, US Army (Retired)
Dusted off my old battlegorund 2 Gettysbury and will see If I can get a major win for the north (someone shoot me). Can defeat the north every time.
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:lol i feel the same way, ill take a break until they start adding somethin new to the game. THe search continues for another game for me to sink my teeth into. Ill just finish up this month first.