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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: derkojote23 on September 24, 2006, 06:13:14 PM
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Now I know its bloody unlikely, But since you ask and I want, here are some Id love to see.
Matilda; Was a sweet British tank that could give a PZR4 a good run
Stug III; Mid to late war, a good sterdy lil tank killer
King Tiger; Would have to be a 90+ perk tank But would be fun
Churchill; a perk tank, not as expensive as the tiger 1 thoe
M26 Pershing; Perk tank thoe not as expensive as the Tiger
Hummel or nashorn; We need Arty in the game and thies or the M7 are good ones to use.
Sherman; thoe not the best make it low EMY and no cost and it can swarm as thay had to any way. Or the super Sherman as a rivle to the Panzer.
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I would say not to perk the M26.
1: its shoots low velocity rounds
2: Very little front armour
Give the sherman a high ENY.
1. not much armour
2 low volocity rounds(gotta get to 800 or so to penetrate)
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Originally posted by 68slayr
I would say not to perk the M26.
1: its shoots low velocity rounds
2: Very little front armour
What are you smoking?
M-26 Pershing. High velocity 90mm gun with HVAP rounds. IIRC, 4 inches frontal armor (twice that of Sherman).
You must be confused with another tank, buddy.
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yah, it was armed with one of the best AT guns of the war. it was more than comparable to the Panther.
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So the M26 not as good? I don’t know, not much record of T 1 or T 2 running in to one for a comparison. I did fiend a book that may settle this. Its title is Tigers in the mud. A Tiger commander authors it and he may have run in to one. Id love to fiend any reference to any duel they had.
O and as for the Sherman O Ya Vary high ENY, that was a typ-o I ment high not low. Thanks for the corection 68.
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a good tanker with an M-26 could easaly take out a KT.
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Originally posted by derkojote23
King Tiger; Would have to be a 90+ perk tank But would be fun
Last I was in the LWA the Tiger I cost 114... and we were the low side. 90 for a king is retarded!
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Yes, and Iv seen it for more, thats why I sed 90+. Iv seen a tiger for 30, so KT would start at 90, and that would plase its other end around 135 or so.
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instead of the KT, we should have the Elephant. it has better armor and a slightly better gun, the tradeoff is that it has no turret. however, i see this as a good thing, because it will prevent some fella who has saved up perkies from completely dominating the battlefield.
(http://www.mark-1-tank.co.uk/jpgs/kubinka-elephant-423b.jpg)
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How about a Jagdtiger or a Jagdpanther. Both would be formidible tank destroyers, and very effective against towns, and hangars.
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Jagdtiger's gun would be overkill in AH. i have heard stories of a shell from one going through 3 shermans that were lined up just right.
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No such thing as overkill in this game.
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Iv seen the effect of a JagdTigers main gun on an M1a1, It took the turret off so Yaw Id say it would be over kill. But the ela was way slow and its turning as well was slow, add in no turret and it would be to easy to kill. No the KT was the cut above the rest. It was slow but it had the ability to turn its turret fast enough to stave off attacks. Since its not common practice for others to set up around a Tiger in proper defensive cover I doubt that the Ele would receive any better help. But SMIDSY I do agree Ele was a Munster but the Hunting tiger would be better as an alternative still.
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Originally posted by derkojote23
Iv seen the effect of a JagdTigers main gun on an M1a1, It took the turret off so Yaw Id say it would be over kill.
where can i find this vid?
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Not a vid SMIDSY, although I’m sure they filmed it. I was in Germany for summer games some years ago, while in the USMC. We watched them do a live fire test on a T72 a Leopard and an Abrams. That flipping gun is some potent sh--. If aimed at the right pleases its as effective today as it was then. Well now the M1A2 has a grooved hull and is not vulnerable in the same plase, but I doubt you will fiend any Vid of it for at least 20 years.
Well I suppose you might try looking though, you know how things get out. I wouldn’t be surprised if you can fiend some footage.
Any way Yes the Jag is overkill BIGTIME. But the JagdTiger that wasn’t so bad but same trouble No turret to slow easy kill with out escort.
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turretless vehicles have the same vulnerability as tanks, you just have to turn the entire vehicle instead of just the turret. this is sometimes beneficial, because your strongest armor is always pointed at the enemy.
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I like the idea of a tank that requires escort. It would be great to have some field artillery as well.
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Still disagree about overkill. Guess we should stop people from using 500Kg bombs against M3's.
It would be an effective one shot kill weapon against tigers
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Raynolds, Iv seen Tigers languish wither and "just fade away", waiting for assistance. Don’t count on it. All it will be, is a good way for people to get easy parks. I can already see the jeeps lining up to vulch it.
I forgot how long it takes Ele, and the JagdT to get moving. They are from 0 to 15 in fifteen to twenty sec, Not really good off the starting blocks. They would be Vulch fodder. For the points it would cost, it’s not worth it. Especially since air units can see you even if you are in a house or barn and they are at 8g and looking in to the sun.
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I wouldnt expect an escort in one, but it would give me someone to escort. I enjoy being the support unit saving others arses.
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Originally posted by captkaos
Still disagree about overkill. Guess we should stop people from using 500Kg bombs against M3's.
It would be an effective one shot kill weapon against tigers
LOL 500Kg thats all??? The other day I was in the EWA and in a TBM. Only had 1 2000Lb bomb loaded for killing a CV but I saw an M3 running for our base. So I had an option, straif with 2 50 cals or welllll I think you understand what option #2 was :D
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lol. I know that feeling!
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If the Jagd series gets done, then the Russian SU series should be as well.
Esp. the SU-100, it could penetrate the FRONT of a Tiger at 2000m.
I'll be happy with the SU-85, tho.
Bring the StuG-III!!! and for EWA Pzr-III, M-3 Lee/Grant.
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"If the Jagd series gets done, then the Russian SU series should be as well."
Why? They didn’t give us any Japanese Tanks, or French, or how about Italian. For that matter the Sherman seen more of the war then Any other model of tank in the whole conflict but its not there. So what makes them so special? Id rather see Katyusha rockets then those.
(http://t5.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=760126840084&id=be6457fc52ab6ffbd4100c49a84fec6a)
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M3 Grant would get eaten alive by any compitent tank gunner.
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RJR that SMIDSY
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oh, missed your post too. please god do not give us japanese tanks. the Ha-Go's armor could be penetrated by a BAR loaded with AP ammo. and italian tanks were underpowered, under gunned and under armored.
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How about a Wirbelwind. Its got thoes 20mm every one knows and loves.(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/9/92/250px-Wilberwind_cfb_borden_1.JPG)
:noid
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You know, Smidsy, you keep acting as if we have the old MA. With the split arenas, any of the tanks mentioned would be viable.
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im just saying, that the second these sub-standard tanks are implemented you will hear a flurry of "WTF!?! why we get these crappy tanks". i seen it happen in other games and it will happen again here.
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opps sry bout the M26...was wrong on that ...must be geting my tanks confused.
If we ogt the sherman the only use i could she would be a large group/squad ops with them. Roll 10-20 of these on a Vbase even a tigr will have a tough time. 5-10 shermans your screwd
With the KT i could see some perk monsters do some real spawn camping.:rolleyes:
Would have to get my lancs with a 4000lbsers:t
If we did use the KT i would want it perked 200-500. So they would be pretty rare. Like a tigr i can run into 1-10 a day in a GV. If they had KTs like that th ppl who didn't have the perks would be dead meat.
Thats wat i think
68slayr
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Originally posted by derkojote23
How about a Wirbelwind. Its got thoes 20mm every one knows and loves.(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/9/92/250px-Wilberwind_cfb_borden_1.JPG)
:noid
Ya gotta like this guy;)
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Originally posted by derkojote23
How about a Wirbelwind. Its got thoes 20mm every one knows and loves.(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/9/92/250px-Wilberwind_cfb_borden_1.JPG)
:noid
Gotta love that ugly little beast.
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I think we need to hold up, before we go and start giving poor skuzzy a heart attack or cause him to develop facial tics at the mere mention of this thread, I wonder if it would not be more productive to ask for the game we have now to be polished up. Say get the maps fixed, some new stuff on them like O-say Tunis actually a desert, some snow, Bad weather to make it more interesting flying. Less Vis, for pilots looking down. I’m sorry but if a tank is in a barn and engine off for even 1 Min, the crew is gunna have the doors shut and No Way is a plain gunna know its there. Or if it’s under a bridge and a plain fly’s by at 2g up and 2g out and the Pilot just happens to look that way he is not likely to see it unless it’s moving. In the trees it’s almost imposable to see Single tanks especially if they are stationary. Lets get the trees fixed, No more invulnerable ones or bouncing a tank so hard you end up spun 90* and upside down, same with the bushes. O and how about invisible hills and bushes they need to go to. Get spawns off hilltops above a base to. Sorry but those positions would be occupied, even a butter bare just out of dippers Knows to station over watch positions, so at least give the opp4 time to do so. If you want up on it then clime up it and take the chance that its not occupied.
How about more terrain stuff like, rivers, bridges, and buildings. Troops that shoot, SNOW, Ya Snow, (O sed that), and other things so the skins become Necessary not just for looks. Get the Better depiction of Armor values and the different guns abilities to do damage. Sorry an 88 was extremely effective at close range not less. And the armor on a Tiger was way more effective then its given credit for in the game. Proof, documented, cases are available of them taking 90+ rounds and surviving. One at the battle of Kursk took over 100 rounds, had transmisson, and drive train damage, and other asorted ailments and still limped 30+ Mil, to a rear repair station, (you know that crew felt like they had bin stuck in a bell tower at noon).
Just make what we have more realistic and polish it up.
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wirbelwind > all
we need this *its a screenshot from c&c generals: blitzkrieg 2*
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/b1leeb0b/sshot012-1.jpg)
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lol. It didnt look quite so... compressed in real life, did it?
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i was too lazy to find a pic on the internet so i took the screenshot from blitzkrieg
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here is a photo from another forum, taken at the Panzermusium in Munster.
(http://forums.filefront.com/gallery/users/5/7/4/5/0/DSC03297.jpg)
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How about a sherman Jumbo, 76mm gun and a lot more armor, would be a good addition, LOL Just dreaming here.
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He should be carful what he wishes for LOL
:eek: :rofl
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Originally posted by SMIDSY
here is a photo from another forum, taken at the Panzermusium in Munster.
(http://forums.filefront.com/gallery/users/5/7/4/5/0/DSC03297.jpg)
I WANT THAT TANK!!!
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late war russian t-34's
T-34/57— Fewer than 324 T-34s in 1941 and 1943–44 were fitted with the ZiS-4 or the ZIS-4M high-velocity 57mm gun to be used as tank hunters (Wachowski 2004). Some of them took part in the Battle of Moscow.
The T-34-85 (T-34/85) was a major improvement with a three-man turret and long 85mm gun.
Model 1943—Short production run of February–March 1944 with D-5T 85mm gun.
Model 1944—Main production, with simpler ZiS-S-53 85mm gun, radio moved from the hull into a turret with improved layout and new gunner's sight
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Id love to see where you got this info I love reading stuff like that. Did you know thay dug one up out of a bog near Kersk in 2002, cleand it up changed the battery and plugs, refueld it and it started right up. WOW.
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thats russian for ya .. they where made to be durable
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I found some cool piks of the snub nose will poast them later
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Originally posted by derkojote23
Hummel or Nashorn; We need Arty in the game and thies or the M7 are good ones to use.
First.... not to be a "Know-All" but for the record - the Nashorn or Hornisse (Hornet) isn't Artillery - technically - it is a Tank Destroyer armed with the 88mm Pak43 - L/71 gun very similar to the gun in the KING TIGER.
Second.....If you were going to get more vehicles in the game quickly and with as little output as possible it would make sense to base them on vehicles we all ready have.
Like coming out with the SU-85 with it's 85mm gun based on the T-34 tank chassie.
(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3106/su852sf5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
We allready have the Drive, interior positions and lower outside chassie built. All that would have to be built was a new upper chassie, new views for the commander and his hatch and the ballistics and mechanics of the new gun worked out.
Other ideas like this could be worked out - many vehicles were built on the T-34, Panzer IV & M4 Sherman Chassie.
! :aok
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king tigers should be perked 3 times as much as the Tiger...sure they only had a max speed of 24 mph but they were nearly impossible to kill!
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the King Tiger presented a quandry for the air force as well: the armor was so thick, even on top, that 500! pound bombs had a tendency to bounce off. So, what the pilots resorted to doing when out on bombing runs against King Tigers, was to drop bombs on either side of the tank, and the concussion from the blast would actually FLIP the vehicle over. Sounds weird, but it's true.
the us had deployed this though .. i think it would have stopped the tiger II with ease
http://www.3ad.com/history/wwll/feature.pages/super.pershing.1.htm
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http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/3120/tanks.html
this is interesting..
HOW ABOUT THE JS-II :) ..
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Ok lets try a Panther. Its not as nasty as the King Tiger but was still a step up from the tiger.