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Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Citabria on September 26, 2006, 09:29:24 PM: theres just not enough planes to disable all but two in the early war arena and when sides are only slightly imbalanced in the grand scheme of things with low numbers say 20 30 20 it ruins the fight for many.

I can see disabling perk planes in that very limited early war planeset but disabling most of the availabel fighters when numbers are low... ie around 60 or less.

well i dunno seems like some switch sides but mroe just go to another arena.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Meatwad on September 26, 2006, 10:26:58 PM: Eny in the EWA would be better off disabled
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: SFCHONDO on September 27, 2006, 01:34:25 AM: Should only be on in LW. So to get rid of the LALAs and 16's and make it more like the MW :D
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Roscoroo on September 27, 2006, 02:03:24 AM: ive been saying that for over a week now.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Sketch on September 27, 2006, 06:56:03 AM: ENY is terrible in the Early and MId arena's. Got to a point last night again I could up a Goon or a few GV's. Then it went to nothing below 29..... that leaves like 4 planes and those can't catch anything!!
Take the ENY out of the Early and Mid arena Hi-Tech!!
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: bozon on September 27, 2006, 09:17:39 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Sketch
Then it went to nothing below 29..... that leaves like 4 planes and those can't catch anything!!

For the 100 time:
If ENY got that bad - switch sides. Loyalty is admireable, but if no one is willing to ballance the odds, you will not have much fun anyway (unless milkrunning is your thing).
That is the purpose of the ENY limiter. Do something about numbers ballancing or fly crappy planes, it's up to the players - you CAN do something about it and solve 2 problems at one go.

btw, time limit on switching sides is now only 1 hr.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Simaril on September 27, 2006, 09:31:15 AM: ^^

What he said.

Believe it or not, I've found that there are nice guys and great gamers on all 3 countires!
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: hitech on September 27, 2006, 10:01:23 AM: Cit: If the numbers were 20 30 20 eny would be at 5.57 for the big country, I.E. only the perk planes would be disabled.

Here are the real counts of early last night.

TimeStamp BishopCnt KnightCnt RookCnt
9/26/2006 8:29:41 PM EARLY1 10 19 25
9/26/2006 8:44:45 PM EARLY1 14 15 30
9/26/2006 8:59:46 PM EARLY1 18 14 28

So if your saying if Rooks have more people than the other 2 countries combined they shouldn't suffer a siff penalty?

HiTech
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: ghostdancer on September 27, 2006, 10:03:13 AM: In EW it is not the case of crappy planes. When ENY is at 30 you have only:

- D3A
- B5N2
- C47
- JU87
- JU88

That is it. So when you peopel are busy fighting over an object (several weeks ago were battling to repel a CV group) and suddenly all you have are those planes .. well sort of wrecks game play.

Yes, you can switch sides but basically that does not guarantee that the sides will be balanced for any time at all. You switch sides .. then 5 minutes later, 10 minutes later, whatever they can become massively unbalanced again as new players come and leave in the EW. When you have low numbers it does not take a lot to cause to 25 ENY or 30 ENY limiter.

ENY is fine in MW and LW since they have much more extensive plane sets that have much more broad ENY range.

EW does not have an extensive planeset at all. Plus, we are not talking about massive numbers here or concentration of numbers or picking on the lowest number side. I have seen several times that the two largest countries in EW are duking it out and basically leaving the smallest country alone since they are all focused on battling each other in one or two really nice fights / furballs.

Since we aren't going to have any new planes soon for EWA and thus the planeset is not going to get fleshed out ENY is not really suited for EWA. All it really does is lock people out of flying and then they face the choice of either switch sides and hope that it does not become unbalanced again in a 1 hour period. Or they leave EWA.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: storch on September 27, 2006, 10:06:33 AM: the problem with switching sides is the time penalty involved. make a subsequent switch possible every 15 minutes and the problem goes away.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: ghostdancer on September 27, 2006, 10:11:08 AM: Quote

TimeStamp BishopCnt KnightCnt RookCnt
9/26/2006 8:29:41 PM   EARLY1   10   19   25
9/26/2006 8:44:45 PM   EARLY1   14   15   30
9/26/2006 8:59:46 PM   EARLY1   18   14   28

HiTech based on your numbers .. you are talking 30 pilots. You are saying that there is no chance that the other two countries were mostly fighting the larger third?

If EWA had a more extensive planeset no problem with ENY but with the very limited planeset and most planes in the same ENY range, yes problem. Does stiff penalty mean the third country can't fly most of the planes available?

What was the ENY for 14 | 15 | 30 for the third country? At 24 ENY basically you just have the C.202 for a fighter and I think Hurri I (but not sure on the Hurri I). I have no problem with flying those fighters I do have a problem wheny I get limited to just the D3A, B5N2, C47, JU87 and JU88.

I think this qualifies as more than severe. It stops people from flying. And as you numbers show when you have an arena with lower numbers in the first place .. country population does change over a 30 minute period. So switching sides does balance but does not guarantee at all that things will stay balance for any period of time much less an hour.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Sketch on September 27, 2006, 10:16:29 AM: Quote
Originally posted by ghostdancer
In EW it is not the case of crappy planes. When ENY is at 30 you have only:
- D3A
- B5N2
- C47
- JU87
- JU88

Yeap, had to use JU88's to hit one M16 because I couldn't take up a 110.

Quote
Originally posted by ghostdancer

Yes, you can switch sides but basically that does not guarantee that the sides will be balanced for any time at all. You switch sides .. then 5 minutes later, 10 minutes later, whatever they can become massively unbalanced again as new players come and leave in the EW. When you have low numbers it does not take a lot to cause to 25 ENY or 30 ENY limiter.

ENY is fine in MW and LW since they have much more extensive plane sets that have much more broad ENY range.

Actually it kind of sucks in the MW as well. Last night there was a point of 17-Bish, 19-Rook & 7-Knights. I was going to switch sides but I finally found a nice playground down by A18-19 area with Skeezer and we had some good fights. But like you said, 5 minutes laster I realized it went up to almost even numbers and it wasn't from people switching sides.
And on Friday night I was on with a fellow AK, Yankee, and I watched him land 2 kills and he got 70+ perk points because of the perk bonus. I switched sides, had a few good fights and logged for the night. Switching sides is not alwasy the answer, but it does work for a little while.

Quote
Originally posted by ghostdancer

EW does not have an extensive planeset at all. Plus, we are not talking about massive numbers here or concentration of numbers or picking on the lowest number side. I have seen several times that the two largest countries in EW are duking it out and basically leaving the smallest country alone since they are all focused on battling each other in one or two really nice fights / furballs.

Your right here as well and I agree with this big time. When the numbers are low you find a base in the boon-docks and drill it fast with GV's or some bombers and then roll in for the easy capture. But here is where the ENY kicks in. If that other country, say the Rooks, are busy with the Knights, a few bish just roll into a far away base and capture it to help with scores and such.
All in all, I just adjust and fly something else. But when it jumps down to only being able to fly the planes listed above.... it sucks that you have to switch just to fly a plane.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Masherbrum on September 27, 2006, 10:19:29 AM: Quote
Originally posted by ghostdancer
In EW it is not the case of crappy planes. When ENY is at 30 you have only:

- D3A
- B5N2
- C47
- JU87
- JU88

That is it. So when you peopel are busy fighting over an object (several weeks ago were battling to repel a CV group) and suddenly all you have are those planes .. well sort of wrecks game play.

Yes, you can switch sides but basically that does not guarantee that the sides will be balanced for any time at all. You switch sides .. then 5 minutes later, 10 minutes later, whatever they can become massively unbalanced again as new players come and leave in the EW. When you have low numbers it does not take a lot to cause to 25 ENY or 30 ENY limiter.

ENY is fine in MW and LW since they have much more extensive plane sets that have much more broad ENY range.

EW does not have an extensive planeset at all. Plus, we are not talking about massive numbers here or concentration of numbers or picking on the lowest number side. I have seen several times that the two largest countries in EW are duking it out and basically leaving the smallest country alone since they are all focused on battling each other in one or two really nice fights / furballs.

Since we aren't going to have any new planes soon for EWA and thus the planeset is not going to get fleshed out ENY is not really suited for EWA. All it really does is lock people out of flying and then they face the choice of either switch sides and hope that it does not become unbalanced again in a 1 hour period. Or they leave EWA.

HiTech, this is true. When the RONIN switched in the EWA, we would find that 10-15 minutes later, we were on the large numbered side. The idea's especially for the EWA should be looked into. I have "no loyalty" to a chesspiece, but, it seems as if sometimes switching can cause shooting of the foot.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: ghostdancer on September 27, 2006, 10:24:31 AM: By crappy planes I mean being forced to fly a C.202 or Hurri I or other fighter that you consider not very good. In the old MA yeah you got high ENY penalties but you could always fly a fighter of some sort if you wanted to.

Here in EWA at a certai point all fighters are gone. You can't fly a fighter so it is not a case of a crappy plane it is a case of no fighters at all.

You are regulated to bombers / dive bombers. Now lets take a look at it what you have left when the ENY takes out all the fighters for a side:

JU87
B5N2
D3A

If you are into bombing at least you have the JU88 which is at least survivable to some extent.

Plus, your side might have been having a great fight with another country and then .. boom it is over .. not because you were out fought or based on any skill .. but simply because nobody can fly a fighter. Sorry we are having human and this game is all about striving and pitting yourself against each other. It leaves a sour feeling in my mouth when I watch something end (lose a base, sink a CV, or base get captured or a CV sunk) simply because you can't field any fighters anymore. And this can happen simply because one country out of the 3 has very low numbers and the the middle country can still field fighters and the large country no longer can.

With low population numbers and since ENY is based on percentages .. it doesn't take many people or lack of people to cause ENY to really kick in hard in the EWA.

ENY works in LWA and MWA because they have a more extensive planeset that more gradually starts to reduce your plane options but you still have options (Fighters that you can fly).

EWA, when it kicks in you lose the bulk of your planes since they all are very close to each other in their ENY values.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Edbert on September 27, 2006, 10:31:39 AM: I'm simply amazed that folks want the best plane(s) available AND to have their opponents drastically outnumbered. You can have one or the other guys, but not both...anymore at least.

~~to balanced odds!~~
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: ghostdancer on September 27, 2006, 10:37:31 AM: I am not talking about the best planes. The C.202 is a decent plane and I believe a strong match for the F4F. Hell I think the Hurricane I is better than the Hurricane MKIIC.

I am talking about losing all of your fighters not the best planes.

Their simply is not an extensive planeset in EWA with a large enough ENY spread between planes. When it hits you lose a large block (most of your planes).
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Hap on September 27, 2006, 10:42:56 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Edbert
I'm simply amazed that folks want the best plane(s) available AND to have their opponents drastically outnumbered. You can have one or the other guys, but not both...anymore at least.

~~to balanced odds!~~

So it seems Edbert.

~~hap~~
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Masherbrum on September 27, 2006, 10:47:06 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Edbert
I'm simply amazed that folks want the best plane(s) available AND to have their opponents drastically outnumbered. You can have one or the other guys, but not both...anymore at least.

~~to balanced odds!~~

Ed, as you know the RONIN were Rooks. After the format change, we would switch to the side with the lowest numbers. Only to find out within a 1/2 hour, we were NOW on the side with the MOST pileits.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: ghostdancer on September 27, 2006, 10:55:53 AM: How about this since we will not have new planes for the EWA planeset anytime soon.

Since the planes in EWA are not available in LWA and most are clearly out matched in MWA. Would it be possible to adjust their ENY value to new values based on what they are actually fighting / facing in the EWA. Well except for the 190A5 and Spits and Lanc. I have no problem with those perk planes being nocked out when ENY kicks in.

But a wider ENY value spread among the Hurri I, Hurri MKIIC, F4F-4, A6M2, C.202 , 109E4, Spit I, Spit V would be nice. So that when ENY kicks in hard that there is at least one fighter that you can still fly (just in in the old MA, the MWA and LWA). There was never a case in MA, that I know of where the entire fighter set for a country was disabled.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: killnu on September 27, 2006, 10:57:08 AM: Quote
I'm simply amazed that folks want the best plane(s) available AND to have their opponents drastically outnumbered. You can have one or the other guys, but not both...anymore at least.

I was flying with Fester last night...we was on low numbered side. If you read his post, he is saying he doesnt mind if take away perk planes, but reduce the amount of planes that eny affects.

So we were outnumbered and wanted them to have some better planes.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Sketch on September 27, 2006, 11:02:41 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Masherbrum
Ed, as you know the RONIN were Rooks. After the format change, we would switch to the side with the lowest numbers. Only to find out within a 1/2 hour, we were NOW on the side with the MOST pileits.

Exactly K! I have flown Rooks since AHI and before that was in C-Country. I have recorded my first kills as a Knight as of this month.... I can change countries easy and will get accepted next to Goldelks, Panman, Doom or Karaya Mom... It doesn't matter where you fly or what country. I think people should switch sides and fly with others instead of the same bloody horde all the time. You meet NEW people! Holy crap! Someone new!! What do I do!!
It is easy... say Hello! Give them a and go shoot down your buddy who didn't switch sides! :rofl

Bozon: You didn't think I thought of switching sides? Not trying to be rude but why shoudl I have to switch countries to fly in certain plane? If my F4U-1 is that leathal it should be perked! Pretty bad when I have to resort to flying a P-40B....

~~PS> Karaya, check your PM's~~
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Edbert on September 27, 2006, 11:11:20 AM: I understand that getting bit by the ENY can and does happen through no fault of your own. HTC has reduced the chesspeice-change limiter drastically and that helps a lot.

My comments were mainly directed at those who have some sort of weird fetish with their chesspeice and then complain that they cannot fly any plane they want due to ENY. I've only played EW since 'the change' and only once saw a really bad ENY as has been described here, and the one country had more than the other two combined, I felt it was appropriate to have such a severe penalty at that time, gotta do something to regulate the dweebs (errr players) who wont regulate themselves.

Personally, I try to check the ENY before I tower out...just in case.

Edit: Duly noted Killnu, I was kinda wondering :D ~~Bro!~~
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: ghostdancer on September 27, 2006, 11:16:00 AM: I have had it happen three times in EWA to me. Fortunately I was flying a fighter and a buddy told me when it happened so I knew to hot pad instead of getting a new plane.

In two cases it was caused by the third country having like 10 people on while the second country had 30+ and third was in like 45-48.

One time I saw it happen when it was the third country outnumbering the other two combined. Never had an issue or complaint of not being able to fly any plane I want. I do have an issue when you can't fly any fighters. All countries need at least to be able to fly one fighter of some sort. Hell give us the I-16 or the Gladiator and I would take that up.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Masherbrum on September 27, 2006, 11:20:07 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Sketch
Exactly K! I have flown Rooks since AHI and before that was in C-Country. I have recorded my first kills as a Knight as of this month.

PS> Karaya, check your PM's

~~<~~> my brother from another mother! I replied.~~~~
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: AKDogg on September 27, 2006, 11:35:34 AM: Problem with EWA is the numbers flucuate constanly from 1 extreme to the next in a very short time. Switching sides is not the answer because the numbers change by the minutes, not hours.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Simaril on September 27, 2006, 12:20:31 PM: Disagree -- side balance and ENY are up to the players, not up to HT. You're right that swithcing sides doesnt work now with any great reliability, but that's because not enough people are willing to switch. If enough were willing, then things would be even despite the 1 hour time limit.

Here's what I mean. Say things are 10:20:25. Guys who are on switch from both higher numbered groups, and that makes the balance a reasonable 16:18:21.

!0 minutes later, a squad from the first group shows up, adn some other guys log off. So now the numbers are 30:14:16.

You're right that the folks who just switched cant go back yet, but the ENY problem isnt their fault -- its the guys who HAVENT switched that can fix it, and if it doesnt go away its THEIR fault. Only 6 on the now high side have 'spent' their switch privileges, and that leaves 23 who are perfectly free to move around and even things out.

If 60% or so of players were willing to switch when it was needed, the ENY would be a non-issue.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Oldman731 on September 27, 2006, 12:20:34 PM: Quote
Originally posted by MwDogg
Problem with EWA is the numbers flucuate constanly from 1 extreme to the next in a very short time. Switching sides is not the answer because the numbers change by the minutes, not hours.

Storch has a point, we've always managed to balance AvA, but there's no wait on side switching. In EW, though, I guess you'd have to contend with the war-winners who WANT overwhelming force. (Not to mention those who are fearful of the dreaded spies.)

Really, there isn't the same disparity in early war plane performance that you see in late war. If your ENY got out of whack, couldn't you just disable FW, Spit5 and 9, P38G and Hurri IIC? That would still leave the larger side with a good stable of very capable fighters, but it would let the weaker side field planes with distinctly superior performance.

- oldman
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Simaril on September 27, 2006, 12:24:23 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Oldman731
Storch has a point, we've always managed to balance AvA, but there's no wait on side switching. In EW, though, I guess you'd have to contend with the war-winners who WANT overwhelming force. (Not to mention those who are fearful of the dreaded spies.)

Really, there isn't the same disparity in early war plane performance that you see in late war. If your ENY got out of whack, couldn't you just disable FW, Spit5 and 9, P38G and Hurri IIC? That would still leave the larger side with a good stable of very capable fighters, but it would let the weaker side field planes with distinctly superior performance.

- oldman

Here's a thought...what if the high sides were limited to the single least capable fighter, but the low sides got perk planes for free in compensation?

If it were left to me, I'd say dont change the rules until more people show wilinglness to move around "for the good of the order" But, free perk planes would be a reasonable compromise....
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Hap on September 27, 2006, 12:27:07 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Simaril
If 60% or so of players were willing to switch when it was needed, the ENY would be a non-issue.

Whew.

hap
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: hubsonfire on September 27, 2006, 12:27:46 PM: Interesting idea, Oldman, but I wonder if allowing the side with higher numbers to have more planes would encourage people to stay on the high #s side, instead of switching to make things more balanced. I also tend to think that if HT starts making concessions in the ENY for specific situations, the demands for other concessions in other situations would start pouring in.

With regards to no time limit on switching, see HT's other posts regarding CVs and spies. It may not be an issue with a lot of us, but someone would find a way to abuse it.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Iron_Cross on September 27, 2006, 12:41:31 PM: Stick with it. The EWA, ENY issue will get resolved. Hitech has already lowered the side swiching limit down to 1 hour. Give Hitech a chance to spread out the ENY of the existing planes in the EWA, but he has to look at the numbers and do some careful considering before he tweaks ENY in the EWA.

As for now if you want to fly a fighter when ENY is wacked, try the D3A. I know it is not a fighter but it has the maouverability of one and has the same guns as a A6M2 when the cannons are dry. I have gotten kills in it, and a lot of assists. Think of it like the Il-2, when they pork the FHs, before the switch.

Some new planes for the EWA will help. I've considerd the Pz-11, C-200, F3F, F2A1, Gladiator, P-36/Hawk 75, and A5M, would probably have ENY above 30.
Title: Taking my name in vain...
Post by: HavocTM on September 27, 2006, 01:49:52 PM: I see how it is.. I am gone for a year or two and you guys start taking my name in vain!

A plague upon you all!!!

Muahahahhahahaha!!
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Pyro on September 27, 2006, 03:54:09 PM: The following fighters don't get turned off by ENY in EW.

C.202
Bf 110C-4
Spitfire I
P-40B
Hurricane I

There's various reports to the contrary here. If this is different from what you are experiencing, what is the minimum ENY value that is stated in the message that you get when you try to fly a plane that has been disabled?
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: ghostdancer on September 27, 2006, 03:57:21 PM: I haven't been in the EWA for about 1 week + just because catching up on work. Is this a new change (or in the last week + change?)

As long as those planes don't get turned off by ENY I am more than happy now.

Last time it happened for me was an ENY of 30.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Pyro on September 27, 2006, 04:05:38 PM: That was changed early last week.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: ghostdancer on September 27, 2006, 04:14:57 PM: I am very, very, very happy to hear that!
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Lye-El on September 27, 2006, 04:21:38 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Pyro
That was changed early last week.

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Why Not an Absolute cap
Post by: moto61 on September 27, 2006, 11:36:04 PM: Why not put an absolute cap on the cap. Limit how high the eny limit will go so that there is no way to ground everything.

I think you need to give a little bit more thought into the GV eny too.

I don't care to switch sides to be able to fly a plane. If a country ever loses the ability to up fighters it should only be because the enemy has dropped all the hangers. Not because evry stinking plane is in the penalty box.
Title: Re: Why Not an Absolute cap
Post by: JimJones on September 27, 2006, 11:38:44 PM: Quote
Originally posted by moto61
Why not put an absolute cap on the cap. Limit how high the eny limit will go so that there is no way to ground everything.

ENY is nothing more than a load balancer.

Load balancers move piles of sand.

A pilot is a grain of sand.

--
JJ
Drink the kool aid
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: hubsonfire on September 28, 2006, 02:07:14 AM: Finally got bit by this tonight. Flying on the high numbers side against considerably higher local numbers of the lower side. ENY was 24. Looked at the 3 to 1 odds the enema enjoyed; zoomed map out. Find even higher numbers of my countrymen mobbing a base with 0 defense. Get a few val and 110 sorties in, snork a beer, move to another arena with even greater numerical disparity, fly for the underdog there. Have more fun, shoot more beer out my nose, call it a night and log off.

Wait, what's the issue?
Title: Re: Re: Why Not an Absolute cap
Post by: Simaril on September 28, 2006, 06:19:53 AM: Quote
Originally posted by JimJones
ENY is nothing more than a load balancer.

Load balancers move piles of sand.

A pilot is a grain of sand.

--
JJ
Drink the kool aid

THIS is classic.

Don't like the ENY? Balance the load, encourage others to do so.

This one isnt hard at all, people.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Edbert on September 28, 2006, 07:20:08 AM: Quote
Originally posted by hubsonfire
Wait, what's the issue?

Trim your nose hair...makes the beer come out with less foam?
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: rod367th on September 28, 2006, 07:24:04 AM: make arenas 2 sides rename both new sides then. The side balancing becomes fact not fiction. some are right 1 team may have 30 to 2 others 15 but if that 30 is fighting both teams its unfair to hurt 1 dside that is fighting 30 guys to its 30 with old plane set. most will use this to thier advantage fly planes other side can't catch or compete with. Change game to 2 sides rename the 2 sides so no whining i' was always a nit bish or rook. then arena's could be kept fair.

just like other night i log into arena decided to go nit stop bish from taking undefended bases as soon as i kill gvs at 3 bases they leave go hit rook bases with no one on t defend. 2 sided arena none of this possible.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: storch on September 28, 2006, 07:32:03 AM: the problem that would arise from a two sided arena would be that the point monguls would happily all join team "A" and pork team "B" into oblivion. team "C" exists to ensure that there is a modicum of competition within the arena. IMHO two sides would never work.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Flayed1 on September 28, 2006, 08:02:54 AM: When the ENY kicks in I just look at it as more of a challenge than as something that would make me change sides. The only time it's been a bit of a problem was yesterday when bish and rooks had 20 or 30 people on in th MWA and Nits had like 8 or 9 and when ever they got to 10 the ENY would shoot from 0 to 29. then 1 Nit would go and it would drop back to 0 again.. lol

And even if I found the ENY to be a problem I still view this as a war game first and formost so I really wouldn't want to change sides and help the (at the time NME) to win against the guys I was just fighting for...:rolleyes:

Even belonging to the squad I belong to I've thought about swaping to another country but if I did I would like to be able to stay on one side long enough to win the war and that still wouldn't fix the side imbalance problem that we have here. Because the #'s jump up and down so much that it is not practical to stay with a side for long to help even out the sides.... The only people that jumping to even out sides works for are those that are in the arena just for a quick furball and thats all fine but just the quick furball though fun, is not enough for me and others that want to play the war game with the fights mixed in.
So for me and those like me it's just as good to sit on one side and see if things even up.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: HavocTM on September 28, 2006, 08:16:28 AM: Flayd! ~~Brother~~
Title: Re: Why Not an Absolute cap
Post by: Pyro on September 28, 2006, 09:19:52 AM: Quote
Originally posted by moto61
Why not put an absolute cap on the cap. Limit how high the eny limit will go so that there is no way to ground everything.

That is the way it works. In the EW, the cap is at 24 which is why all the fighters I listed above never get disabled. The other arenas are capped at 29.
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: HavocTM on September 28, 2006, 09:26:13 AM: I am hijacking this thread because frankly math bores me.

Did anyone see Jericho last night? Am I the only one that is so distracted by the inconsistencies that I can't enjoy it?

1 - Hydrogen bombs LITERALLY explode the air

2 - It takes two hours for nuclear radiation to get there from Denver

3 - The mobile radio in the cop car was a CB but for some reason Jake can hear her on his UHF portable.

4 - The guy gives Jake a black automatic pistol, yet when he is in the car it's a stainless revolver but when he gets to the farm it is back to being an automatic.

5 - The escaped prisoner/deputies are using Bearcat scanners and not two-way radios.

6 - Why would anyone get into a cop car when the cops don't even know where a gas station is... in a town of 5000 people...
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: rod367th on September 29, 2006, 03:52:22 AM: Quote
Originally posted by storch
the problem that would arise from a two sided arena would be that the point monguls would happily all join team "A" and pork team "B" into oblivion. team "C" exists to ensure that there is a modicum of competition within the arena. IMHO two sides would never work.

lolololololololololololoooooo oooooooooooooooooooololoololo lollololololololololololololo yeah right 2 sides never gang up on 3rd omg kokokokokokokokokokokokokokok oko
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: storch on September 29, 2006, 04:32:58 AM: rod I guess that since I'm accustomed to smacking down toolshedders while fighting against superior odds almost every time I play. furthermore I'm usually playing on the rook team where two sides are usually attacking us at once, this seems normal to me. since iirc that you are basically a hording toolshedder I can understand your advocacy of the that idea. I mean why give up all those tempting pointseys when they can be so much more easily had, right compadre?
Title: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena
Post by: Warspawn on September 29, 2006, 05:01:27 AM: Hey Pyro...

Could we get a defensive CV fighter that's not turned off by ENY? Had an issue today where we couldn't launch a CV defense in EW. Carrier got smoked when we were forced to launch TBM's and Val's, ect, in an effort to shoot down JU88's.
Title: Re: Re: Why Not an Absolute cap
Post by: moto61 on September 29, 2006, 01:41:46 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Pyro
That is the way it works. In the EW, the cap is at 24 which is why all the fighters I listed above never get disabled. The other arenas are capped at 29.

So at 29 in the Late War arena what is flyable? The other night it was a C47, a Jeep, M16 maybe, and not much else that I could find.

Hey I'm not worried about it anymore:) I let my money speak about my dissatisfaction. That's how a free market works.

Carry on Gents!

~~:aok~~
Title: Re: Re: Re: Why Not an Absolute cap
Post by: Edbert on September 29, 2006, 02:20:39 PM: Quote
Originally posted by moto61

Carry on Gents!

~~We are, that's why you feel the need to tell folks you quit...nobody noticed.~~