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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: cav58d on September 27, 2006, 12:40:32 AM
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Last night myself, and two other college republican friends of mine went to see the movie "Loose Change", which was being hosted by the college socialist...The only reason we went was for the discussion afterwards and to disprove all the bullchit said in that movie, and try and save what ever respect we could for the patriots killed on 9/11, because this group was trying to take it away from them....
Anyways, they are getting completely destroyed in the discussion, and keep changing topic's left and right....Eventually it lands us on the topic of suicide bombings, and the leader of this nutjob group looks me straight in the eye and tells me that he truely believes that deep down inside of all of us, is a person who would strap a bomb onto his chest and kill civillians...Myself and my friends obviously went nut's and called him out, and immediately left because of anger...
We were all left feeling very un-easy about the comment this jerk made, and decided we would sleep on it before making any decisions...Today the three of us got together on campus to do voter registration, and we are approached by this same guy...Knowing I am a pilot through some of his friends, he asks me how he could learn to fly airplanes? I told him I couldnt help him and I was buisy...
So now I have this guy who is a total anarchist...He truely believes in his heart of hearts that the US Government performed the attacks on 9-11...He gave praise to the terrorist and their noble fight against us...(evil and corrupt americans), and he tell's me he thinks all of us have someone inside of them that would strap a bomb to themselves and kill people...And then he starts asking me about aviation...
I dont wanna stereotype, but this guy looks like he is right out of Columbine...
Anyways, We have all come to the conclusion that we have to report this guy to some authority...If it was just him talking, and I didnt know how much he hated the US Government then I wouldnt have thought anything of it...But given what I have seen from him, and his background, I dont think this can be ignored...I'm sure its prolly nothing more then stupd rhetoric from some slob who didnt get enough hugs and kisses from his parents, but either way, is it worth taking that risk?
My question is, which avenue do we take? Which law enforcement agency do we notify? Campus Police??? FBI??? Homeland Security??? Keep in mind that myself and my two friends who witnessed this ahole, do want to protect ourselves, and want to remain as anonymous as possible...anonymous as in, when I report this, I dont want to agency who takes control of it to go up to the guy and say Mike Palazzo say's you said this.....I have no problem personally speaking to an officer/agent and signing any statements, I just want anomnity (sp) in regards to other things....
So anyone with experience in this field, please let me know what would be the best route to take? And if possible please respond soon, because we will be reporting this tomorrow afternoon
thanks
cav
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Let him solo off in a Cessna on a long leg over the Arizona Desert, and make care the fuel gauge is broken :D
(Deep inside we're all a bit wicked, but this sounds like a nutjob)
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Believe me, if it's up to me, this guy isnt going anywhere near an airplane...
But seriously, what would you do? 24 hour's later and I am still concerned to the point where i'm almost nervous...It's not everyday you hear someone say this....
Is in fact what I heard enough to bring to the attention of some sort of police? (I think it is)..
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See Rule #4, #5
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If you're man enough to make accusations against a man, you have to be man enough to stand up in front of him in court. The guy is yanking your chain for the debate. Think carefully before you go calling the cops.
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Originally posted by rpm
If you're man enough to make accusations against a man, you have to be man enough to stand up in front of him in court. The guy is yanking your chain for the debate. Think carefully before you go calling the cops.
Dave's not here, man.
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Joe...Dont read my posts if you feel that way...seriously
RPM- If it ever came to a trial, ofcourse I would defend anything I accused him of...Without question.
And I dont think it's just "yanking my chain", and "saying things to piss people off"... This guy and his group are all completely convinced that the US is the enemy, and passionately and in anger argued in their defense... Like I said, this is something I have decided to proceed with, and im just looking for advice on how to take the next step, in terms of who to contact.
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You misused the word "Anarchist." The term anarchist has come to mean someone who is crazy, when it really means someone who believes in no government and pure democracy.
It's funny how the government has twisted the word over the years so that the word anarchist came to mean nutjob, when it is actually what we all pretty much believe should be for our government.
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You were done when you took him seriously. From then on, there's a layer of him yanking your chain that you'll have to see through to know what, if anything, is underneath it.
One of the simplest effective ways to deal with him, I think, would've been to instantly tell him to STFU.
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I dont know, there have been several shootings stopped just because someone said something. Im with you Cav, not everyone is yanking your chain, and id rather be the dweeb who beleived a teenager, than the guy who didnt go to the police because he was too afriad, and so people died. Better be safe than sorry, because if someone dies, its on YOUR head. I would go with FBI, but thats just a guess.
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in theory what makes our society great is that we tolerate any and all views. currently a person can't be convicted of committing a thought crime. that may change in the future perhaps and there are people who advocate this level of control over our populace. I have to go with RPM on this one. what I would do is look for another opportunity to confront him, call him on his disturbing world view but do so in a manner that ridicules both his person and his view. who knows maybe he'll blow his stack and take it to the physical level. If you know how to defend yourself then no problem. If you don't know how to defend yourself then take the shot and drop. either way now you have cause, try to capture the event on film.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
You misused the word "Anarchist." The term anarchist has come to mean someone who is crazy, when it really means someone who believes in no government and pure democracy.
It's funny how the government has twisted the word over the years so that the word anarchist came to mean nutjob, when it is actually what we all pretty much believe should be for our government.
Kinda like how the word "liberal" has been twisted, or my favorite "hero".
Please don't tell me that there were 3000 "heroes" killed on 9-11. There were heroes, no doubt, but not 3000 of them. There were firefighter heroes and police heroes and civilian heroes especially on flight 93, but most of those people were murder victims, not heroes.
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the meaning of many words in any living language change over time. If you want a word to mean the same thing forever write in latin.
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If I was a law enforcement officer the first thing I would want to know is why you are associating with terrorists cav58d.
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/agree Thraw
This is a flagrant exemple of collusion with a terrorist^h^h^h^h^h^h^ someone not having his opinion.
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be careful when you yank a chain, you never know what the other end is hooked to.
call the FBI, let them sort it out, it's their job.
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I cuncur
They may decide to keep an eye on him for a while to see if he is a "person of interest"
Had various people thought to report such unusual behaviour at key moments we may not have had a 9/11
And isnt that the type of thing they keep asking us to look for and report?
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Wow, just wow.
Vigilante thought police
If this Cav's typical of the new generation raised under Bushism, god help us. Gonna make 1984 look like a picnic.
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Sounds to me like you would be better off reporting the individual to the FBI. Let them do an investigation.
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Just speaking for myself...
I'd take the chance of some guilt over reporting a harmless idiot to the feds over the guilt of not doing anything if he pulls off some sort of lunatic action and actually hurts someone other than himself.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Kinda like how the word "liberal" has been twisted, or my favorite "hero".
Please don't tell me that there were 3000 "heroes" killed on 9-11. There were heroes, no doubt, but not 3000 of them. There were firefighter heroes and police heroes and civilian heroes especially on flight 93, but most of those people were murder victims, not heroes.
While I"m going to need an example for how liberal is misused, I completely agree on the heroes thing.
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Cav, narc away (https://tips.fbi.gov/) <--- 1 google click.
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I really dont get some of you guys...As I described, this group is known on campus for it's radical view's...They legitimately (sp) believe that all government is evil, and must be overthrown...They told me too my face that the white house, congress and senate are the evil ones...the terrorist are the good guys...And all of this being said by them, not because they want to provoke me, but because they truely believe this...Maybe "I think inside each and everyone of us there is a person who will strap a bomb to himself" is just extremely ignorant and stupid rhetoric, and 99 out of 100 times it will be, but im not taking that chance...This isnt being overly cautious, especially in the region of the country that I live in...Ya know, we actually did have attacks here...Anyways Ive decided that its the FBI that I am going to, and I most likely wont be talking about this anymore...
For those of you who actually gave a legitimate answer, thank you...For the rest, whatever...i dont care
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
While I"m going to need an example for how liberal is misused, I completely agree on the heroes thing.
hehe.. funny troll.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
You misused the word "Anarchist." The term anarchist has come to mean someone who is crazy, when it really means someone who believes in no government and pure democracy.
It's funny how the government has twisted the word over the years so that the word anarchist came to mean nutjob, when it is actually what we all pretty much believe should be for our government.
Looks like you don't know the definition of "Anarchist". I don't see "pure democracy" anywhere.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Anarchist (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Anarchist)
1. a person who advocates or believes in anarchy or anarchism.
2. a person who seeks to overturn by violence all constituted forms and institutions of society and government, with no purpose of establishing any other system of order in the place of that destroyed.
3. a person who promotes disorder or excites revolt against any established rule, law, or custom.
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"As I described, this group is known on campus for it's radical view's..."
Cav, there's groups like that at every college in the US. I would just shrug it off as some dumb college kid trying to get attention. If you feel like you just have to tell the authorities, I would start with the local police and let them make the decision on whether or not to take it any further. But yeah at every university in the US there are groups just like that and they have been around since the late 60's and aren't going anywhere. The best thing you can do IMHO is just ignore them, cause all they are looking for is attention from the public
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http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/ga/editorial_1110.shtm
The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has developed and implemented a general aviation (GA) hotline in partnership with the National Response Center. 866-GA-SECURE (1-866-427-3287) was launched on December 2, 2002 and is fully operational.
The GA Hotline serves as a centralized reporting system for general aviation pilots, airport operators, and maintenance technicians wishing to report suspicious activity at their airfield. The hotline was developed in coordination with the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA) to complement the AOPA Airport Watch Program. This program will enlist the support of some 550,000 general aviation pilots to watch for and report suspicious activities that might have security implications. AOPA has distributed Airport Watch materials to 5,400 public-use general aviation airports pilot groups and individual pilots. To build on the success of these local efforts the program includes special materials including a video to train pilots to be alert for sinister people or activities on the airport.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
While I"m going to need an example for how liberal is misused, I completely agree on the heroes thing.
Well, in general liberal is used almost interchangeably with Democrat. That's inherrently wrong. Democrats support socialist agendas and restrictions of some freedoms, which is the exact opposite of what being liberal is.
Here's one definition for it...
favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
Okay, now turn on Rush Limbaugh for 5 minutes. He loves to use liberals as a slur. However, he'll use it in the same sentence describing Hillary Clinton. That's simply incorrect. Obviously she has always supported gun control, which is a socialist, and not a liberal ideal. The same applies to national healthcare. It's labeled by the right as a liberal agenda by talking heads. Again, that's incorrect. A forced redistribution of wealth is a socialist ideal.
It screws it up for political groups like Libertarians who's agenda is tiny, transparent government, minimal regulation of anything, and maximum personal freedoms.
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Drop a dime on him and his pals to the FBI.
They seek adult supervision, and the FBI can provide it.
Being young an stupid is one thing, advocating the overthrow of the US gov't and actively seeking information to duplicate 9/11 is quite another..
.. I would have no qualms at all tellin him and his pals the word is 'treason' and if they're lucky they will get free meals for at least a dozen years or more in a nice 'hotel' ..altho the room service probably isn't their usual standard.
If they aren't so lucky, perhaps they'll end up piloting the plane of those who would 'just blow it off' into some major metro area.
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Originally posted by cav58d
For those of you who told me what I wanted to hear, thank you...For the rest, whatever...i dont care
fixed.
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Well, in general liberal is used almost interchangeably with Democrat.
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Thats because most democrats are liberal :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by NitroFish
Looks like you don't know the definition of "Anarchist". I don't see "pure democracy" anywhere.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Anarchist (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Anarchist)
1. a person who advocates or believes in anarchy or anarchism.
2. a person who seeks to overturn by violence all constituted forms and institutions of society and government, with no purpose of establishing any other system of order in the place of that destroyed.
3. a person who promotes disorder or excites revolt against any established rule, law, or custom.
What about the definition of anarchy ?
a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society.
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Denounce the traitor, then you can join the cause.
(http://www.maopost.com/postm/0004-001M.jpg)
It's great life in the red guards! -- you get a set of clothes and a little book to wave
(http://www.morningsun.org/living/redguards/0393.gif)
And you can beat up everyone who disagrees with you.
Yeah baby, Communism rules! :aok
We knew you Republicans would come around eventually.
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Wait a minute!
Is that you Udie?
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Even the reds get to defend themselves, dead.
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Originally posted by someone American fascists love to ignore
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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Very nice quote, Funked....
At the same time, don't you think that there ought to be certain gaurds against the possibility of any and every whacko out there taking the law into his hands for the sake of his own personal agenda-- even if it is an agenda that he pursues under the guise of social advancement?
Where and how do you strike a balance between an oppressive fascist state and a nation that is doing nothing more insidious than defending itself?
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Originally posted by straffo
What about the definition of anarchy ?
You seem to have ignored definition 1, 2 and 4.
I guess you liked that one best?
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Originally posted by Neubob
Very nice quote, Funked....
At the same time, don't you think that there ought to be certain gaurds against the possibility of any and every whacko out there taking the law into his hands for the sake of his own personal agenda-- even if it is an agenda that he pursues under the guise of social advancement?
Where and how do you strike a balance between an oppressive fascist state and a nation that is doing nothing more insidious than defending itself?
How do you correllate this to me having a personal agenda? Have you so quickly forgotten the attacks on september 11th? Madrid Bombings...London rail and bus bombings? Indonesia? ect... Whether you like it or not, there is terror in the world, and its something we all must face...
This guy is prolly just young and dumb, and using extreme rhetoric that means nothing...999 out of 1000 times that will be the case...But in the unlikelyhood that what this kid is saying is actually real, can you take the risk when if this is just more then rhetoric, people could die? Would you want your family around this guy? What would you say, knowing he was vocal about his views and intentions, after he actually carried something out? OOPS?
I have no apologys to anyone when a person, and a group, who's ideology is hatred and blame against the US Government, and US Servicemen, tell's me that suicide bombings against US Serviceman, and israeli women and children is justified, and that he believes that himself, and everyone else in the world is capable of this, I will not sit idle and quietly...
It amazes me that some of you can defend this behavior
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And by no means am I taking the law into my own hands? Am I going up to this guy and slapping him into cuffs? no...
What I am doing is exactly what law enforcement encourages...alert them, and let them investigate, and if they feel there is grounds to pursue, then so be it...
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Originally posted by cav58d
How do you correllate this to me having a personal agenda? Have you so quickly forgotten the attacks on september 11th? Madrid Bombings...London rail and bus bombings? Indonesia? ect... Whether you like it or not, there is terror in the world, and its something we all must face...
I wasn't talking about you, Cav, the personal agenda was the one belonging to your 'anarchist'... My point was that all his political rantings are most likely not motivated to truly benefit society, but to release some sort of internal angst, and thus, are self-serving. I could be wrong, but it would seem that anyone who decides to let anger guide his actions is less of a visionary and more of a whack-job, for lack of a better term. Nowhere in my post did I make, or imply, any mention of you or your actions. I was only trying to get Funked to propose a balance between a much-feared police state and a state where actions, no matter how anti-social and mis-guided, are free and unchecked. A balance between two extremes, if you will.
As much as I fail to understand anyone who, in this day, can justify placing all their eggs into one political basket (ie, being either a devoted repub or dem), I had no intention of touching you or your leanings.
No, I haven't forgotten 9/11.
Apply some gray matter before jumping to conclusions next time.
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Originally posted by cav58d
They legitimately (sp) believe that all government is evil, and must be overthrown...They told me too my face that the white house, congress and senate are the evil ones...the terrorist are the good guys...And all of this being said by them, not because they want to provoke me, but because they truely believe this...
While I agree that this givernment should probably be overthrown and both parties thrown out and replaced by people with dignity and at least some resemblence of honesty and honor.
I wont agree the terrorists are the good guys
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Wow, just wow.
Vigilante thought police
If this Cav's typical of the new generation raised under Bushism, god help us. Gonna make 1984 look like a picnic.
Well,
If they arent planning on "doing anything wrong then they have nothing to worry about" Now do they?
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Originally posted by cav58d
And by no means am I taking the law into my own hands? Am I going up to this guy and slapping him into cuffs? no...
What I am doing is exactly what law enforcement encourages...alert them, and let them investigate, and if they feel there is grounds to pursue, then so be it...
there ya go.
As long as they arent guilty of any wrongdoing or planning, or encouraging any wrongdoing. Then they wont have any problems
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
While I agree that this givernment should probably be overthrown and both parties thrown out and replaced by people with dignity and at least some resemblence of honesty and honor.
I wont agree the terrorists are the good guys
Step 1, Fire congress and the senate, replace all members of both houses ( democrat and republican) with common working class people that don't have millions of dollars.
Step 2, If they become corrupt like the ones we have now, fire and replace them too.
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Originally posted by dmf
Step 1, Fire congress and the senate, replace all members of both houses ( democrat and republican) with common working class people that don't have millions of dollars.
Step 2, If they become corrupt like the ones we have now, fire and replace them too.
thats called term limits. congress was never intended to be a life time profession peopled by political hacks.
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Originally posted by dmf
Step 1, Fire congress and the senate, replace all members of both houses ( democrat and republican) with common working class people that don't have millions of dollars.
If a given member of the working class had any brains they would have millions of dollars and not be working class.
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Originally posted by dmf
Step 1, Fire congress and the senate, replace all members of both houses ( democrat and republican) with common working class people that don't have millions of dollars.
Step 2, If they become corrupt like the ones we have now, fire and replace them too.
Those that get chosen will get chosen for reasons not governed by the universal morality you desire. They will get chosen because they will be more charming, better-spoken, easier to get along with, better motivators, and less taxing on the conscience to follow. They will not have to become corrupt. Their corruption will be dormant, and will awaken with the first taste of power.
Inevitably, they will be as common and working class as was Lenin, Mao and Castro. Same as the old boss, I think they say.
And if you want to fire them, you may have a bigger problem doing do. Leaders seeking to perfect the elusive worker's paradise historically don't leave to many avenues for peaceful dissent.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
there ya go.
As long as they arent guilty of any wrongdoing or planning, or encouraging any wrongdoing. Then they wont have any problems
Back in the days of checks and balances I'd agree, but post-Patriotic Act, God help 'em.
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You know... I was kicking back in front of the garage eating BBQ chicken and drinking my 4th PBR when it occured to me that you wouldn't know a good time if it sat on your face.
The government has not done anything to you. Your ire is misguided to the point of being laughable.
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Originally posted by Mini D
You know... I was kicking back in front of the garage eating BBQ chicken and drinking my 4th PBR when it occured to me that you wouldn't know a good time if it sat on your face.
The government has not done anything to you. Your ire is misguided to the point of being laughable.
When I'm kicking back, drinking beer, I don't usually think about people on the internet.
MiniD, to be fair, your idea of a good time is to travel to Amsterdam and spend all of your free time taking pictures of birds. :)
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Originally posted by ByeBye
MiniD, to be fair, your idea of a good time is to travel to Amsterdam and spend all of your free time taking pictures of birds. :)
LMFAO...Watch out..God may **** you up
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Your goverment has so done something to funky, it has borrowed most every cent he will pay in taxes in his life time or several others and given it to hallibuton and ratheon via Iraq.
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Ah.. come on nuke, you can come up with the "pretend you don't dwell on the internet" lines all you'd like, but I think some 100 different aliases say othewise.
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Originally posted by cav58d
LMFAO...Watch out..God may **** you up
God is an indifferent salamander, as would anyone be standing over an ant hill that he regularly floods with water and zaps with a magnifying glass. In all likely hood, god's too busy banging Mrs. God to make personal time for individual ants.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Your goverment has so done something to funky, it has borrowed most every cent he will pay in taxes in his life time or several others and given it to hallibuton and ratheon via Iraq.
"Hallibuton and ratheon" LOL!
Meanwhile, the US economy is more vibrant that ever. Low unemployment, low taxes, low inflation, low gas prices, booming housing market, booming stock market, booming economy.....
Yeah, we are all in shambles over here.
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Originally posted by Neubob
God is an indifferent salamander, as would anyone be standing over an ant hill that he regularly floods with water and zaps with a magnifying glass. In all likely hood, god's too busy banging Mrs. God to make personal time for individual ants.
I am making reference to the very funny song I posted titled ...
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Originally posted by cav58d
I am making reference to the very funny song I posted titled ...
I know. I was using your quote to get that line out of my system. Thanks for the springboard.
I hope you udnerstood that I wasn't referring to you in the earlier post.
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College is a good place to learn about spelling and grammar.
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If our homeland folks are doing anything they should already know about those involved in a well known radical government-overthowin' student group.
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Originally posted by Mini D
You seem to have ignored definition 1, 2 and 4.
I guess you liked that one best?
Well not it's the one I find correct the other are like the definition 2 and 3 of Nitrofish
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Originally posted by Neubob
God is an indifferent salamander, as would anyone be standing over an ant hill that he regularly floods with water and zaps with a magnifying glass. In all likely hood, god's too busy banging Mrs. God to make personal time for individual ants.
I would possibly believe that if you can prove to me there's a god in the first place. And if you can prove theres a god, can you prove that god is not just as corrupt as our govt?
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Originally posted by dmf
I would possibly believe that if you can prove to me there's a god in the first place. And if you can prove theres a god, can you prove that god is not just as corrupt as our govt?
Well, DMF, the best I can do is to say that if he, she or it does exist, he she or it certainly isn't wasting his, her or its time worrying too much about us. Whether it's an omnipotent consciousness, an super-intricate system of organization, an old man with a beard, an overgorwn child with an elaborate erector set, or the black cat that lives next door to me, I really doubt that it is petty enough to sink to our definitions of care, morality or corruption. Our government is not god's work... it's our's.
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Originally posted by dmf
I would possibly believe that if you can prove to me there's a god in the first place. And if you can prove theres a god, can you prove that god is not just as corrupt as our govt?
While I can't prove there's a God, I firmly believe God is not corrupt. I mean it's God for Christ's sake! What ever God wants, God pretty much gets. (It's good to be da King!)
What are you gonna bribe God with that God doesn't already have? It's worse than buying your rich uncle a birthday present. They already have everything that cool and anything you can come up with looks lame.
As far as God and Government, that's like drinking and driving.
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Originally posted by dmf
Step 1, Fire congress and the senate, replace all members of both houses ( democrat and republican) with common working class people that don't have millions of dollars.
How do you propose to fire those who have bought off ~50% of the population through some sort of periodic government check ("paychecks" included in that figure)? Particularly when another 50% of American voters know the final 16 contestants on American Idol but cannot name their congressmen.
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Originally posted by Edbert
How do you propose to fire those who have bought off ~50% of the population through some sort of periodic government check ("paychecks" included in that figure)? Particularly when another 50% of American voters know the final 16 contestants on American Idol but cannot name their congressmen.
hey you, quit asking annoying questions otherwise you may be branded as a malcontent and find yourself reported to homeland security.
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Originally posted by straffo
Well not it's the one I find correct the other are like the definition 2 and 3 of Nitrofish
Odd, because I've never met an "anarchist" that was for any kind of democracy or cared what the majority thought. You seem to be attempting to idealize the belief and ignoring the reality of it.
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Originally posted by ByeBye
"Hallibuton and ratheon" LOL!
Meanwhile, the US economy is more vibrant that ever. Low unemployment, low taxes, low inflation, low gas prices, booming housing market, booming stock market,
All funded by trillions of dollars of debt, that makes it a very unhealthy economy.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
All funded by trillions of dollars of debt, that makes it a very unhealthy economy.
I'd love to see the debt reduced/eliminated/outlawed, don't get me wrong, but total debt viewed per-capita or as a percentage of gross revenue is not out of line with, and better than some other G8 nations.