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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: T0J0 on September 28, 2006, 11:23:06 AM
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Our board seems to be getting ripe with this method of posting for some reason. People, if you want to discuss something, the DISCUSS it, let's stop with the simple cut and paste operations berift of any substance from the thread starter.
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I took the interview as an opportunity for Clinton to take a few cheap shots at "right wingers", nothing more. It was the last time I will ever listen to anything that man has to say.
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What I find amazing is that Chris Wallace is now being painted as a foaming at the mouth "Right Wing Conservative" because he didn't pitch softballs to the former President.
Wallace, who is the son of CBS reporter Mike Wallace, has not spent much of his career at Fox. His career started at the Boston Globe, after which he moved to NBC, where he worked from 1975 to 1989 at which time he left to work for ABC where he worked from 1989 to 2003. Wallace did assert that there is considerable left wing bias in the mainstream news in his interview with his father, but having worked in the mainstream media from 1972 to 2003, I'd say he's well qualified to hold that particular opinion.
Frankly, having lived around the media for most of my life growing up, and being able to compare European media (where the bias is openly declared) to American media (where we play a silly game of pretending bias doesn't exist) its obvious that most of the major papers, news wires, and TV news channels slant left, polls of actual reporters prove that trend. Why should we have to pretend that Fox isn't conservative and CBS isn't liberal and that if El Presidente doesn't get "Comedy Central" level questions from an interviewer, its proof of a conspiracy? Frankly the whole "controversy" strikes me as dopey. The Emperor in this case, has never had clothes.
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Originally posted by lukster
I took the interview as an opportunity for Clinton to take a few cheap shots at "right wingers", nothing more. It was the last time I will ever listen to anything that man has to say.
I stopped listening to him a long time ago, when it became obvious that he was a patholical liar.
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Originally posted by Dago
I stopped listening to him a long time ago, when it became obvious that he was a patholical liar.
Fox hyped it and I was foolish enough to be suckered in. I rarely hold grudges and so it probably does me good to listen to Clinton once in while to reaffirm my loathing for the man and distrust of those who hold him in high regard.
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:noid :cry :cry :lol
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clinton is their hero
he stands for everything they believe in and strive to be
of course he can do no wrong or else it would shine light on their shallow selfish lives
it is worth it all though to see billary "stand by HER man"
LOL LOL LOL :lol :rofl :lol :rofl
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Why did Clinton go on Fox anyway? He must have known they would ask him questions......?
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Why else? He loves the attention.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by Yeager
Why did Clinton go on Fox anyway? He must have known they would ask him questions......?
clinton listened to his fanboys who told him, YOU DA MAN!!
:lol
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I'd just like to say, f*** Coulter and Clinton both.
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Originally posted by Seagoon
What I find amazing is that Chris Wallace is now being painted as a foaming at the mouth "Right Wing Conservative" because he didn't pitch softballs to the former President.
Wallace, who is the son of CBS reporter Mike Wallace, has not spent much of his career at Fox. His career started at the Boston Globe, after which he moved to NBC, where he worked from 1975 to 1989 at which time he left to work for ABC where he worked from 1989 to 2003. Wallace did assert that there is considerable left wing bias in the mainstream news in his interview with his father, but having worked in the mainstream media from 1972 to 2003, I'd say he's well qualified to hold that particular opinion.
Frankly, having lived around the media for most of my life growing up, and being able to compare European media (where the bias is openly declared) to American media (where we play a silly game of pretending bias doesn't exist) its obvious that most of the major papers, news wires, and TV news channels slant left, polls of actual reporters prove that trend. Why should we have to pretend that Fox isn't conservative and CBS isn't liberal and that if El Presidente doesn't get "Comedy Central" level questions from an interviewer, its proof of a conspiracy? Frankly the whole "controversy" strikes me as dopey. The Emperor in this case, has never had clothes.
Fox news is the mouthpiece for the neo con death cult, the interview was to discuss global warming, like the part when clinton said he tried to kill Binladen, Bush never, not for the 8 months before 9/11, demoted the top guy who was on the case and ignored all warnings. Funny how he is now trying to rewrite history by proxie, in other words using fox news to try and put the all the blame on to Clinton.
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Originally posted by Dago
I stopped listening to him a long time ago, when it became obvious that he was a patholical liar.
He is not a pathological liar, he is a politician. I know, I know...nit picking.
The times a politician is not lieing occurs when they are sleeping, or in a coffin.
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So lets see, Repubs and Dems are standing on their respective side of the political line flinging poo at eachother based on stuff that happened years ago.
Maybe both parties should concentrate less on eachother and more on whats best for the people...lolol!!!, yeah right.
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Originally posted by Hawco
Fox news is the mouthpiece for the neo con death cult, the interview was to discuss global warming, like the part when clinton said he tried to kill Binladen, Bush never, not for the 8 months before 9/11, demoted the top guy who was on the case and ignored all warnings. Funny how he is now trying to rewrite history by proxie, in other words using fox news to try and put the all the blame on to Clinton.
I am sure you have never watched FOX news, but I know you read this on the internet right?
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but how can you tell when a politician is lying?
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Originally posted by Hawco
neo con death cult,
yeah, now there's a unbiased opinion.
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Originally posted by storch
but how can you tell when a politician is lying?
Uh, there are words coming from thier mouths?
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lol so in your opinion there isn't a single politician that has the common good at heart?
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That is my opinion, yes. Logically, a politician has to lie, especially if they want to do any good. Why? Because 99% of the people of this country do not want tohear the truth. They want to be fed what they want to hear and will vote accordingly.
Not to be confrontational storch, but do you know a politician who actually followed through with the agenda/platform they ran on?
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Hitler?
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Hitler lied as well.
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Thought it might be pertinent to the discussion to read the words of a journalist who is middle-of-the-road politically. Paul Greenberg is a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist who writes for the Arkansas-Democrat Gazette and a long-time Clinton watcher, as are most Arkansans.
In yesterday's column, entitled "Bill's Hissy Fit" he wrote:
Talk about Deja Vu all over again, there was something awfully familiar about Bill Clinton's hissy fit on Fox News last Sunday. What was it exactly?
The finger-pointing? The raised voice? The way he kept interrupting his interviewer? The mounting furor that threatened to reaach red-in-the-face levels despite the pancake make-up? The attribution of base motives to a reporter who'd dared question him about something he'd done? Or, in this case, what he'd not done to prevent a terrorist attack on this country?
It was an almost operatic performance. All the Sturm un Drank was there, if not the art. But what impressed most was the practiced quality of the "spontaneous" explosion. It sounded about as impromptu as one of the Three Tenor's great arias. Maybe Pavarotti's "Fuor del Mar" from Idomeneo. Full of emotion but never really out of control.
The only problem was that Fox's Chris Wallace, who was supposed to play the foil, didn't. The question that set off Bill Clinton was direct, but it was civil, even sympathetic at the end - and so was the tone in which Wallace the Younger asked it:
"When we announced that you were going to be on Fox News Sunday, I got a lot of e-mail from viewers. And I've got to say, I was surprised: Most of them wanted me to ask you this question? Why didn't you do more to put Bin Laden and al-Qaida out of business when you were president? There's a new book out I suspect you've already read, called "The Looming Towers. And it talks about how the fact that when you pulled troops out of Somalia in 1993, Bin Laden said, "I have seen the frailty and the weakness and the cowardice of U.S. troops." Then there was the bombing of the embassies in Africa and the attack on the Cole...And after the attac, the book says that Bin Laden separated his leaders, spread them around, because he expected an attack, and then there was no response. I understand that hindsight is 20/20..."
That's when all Clinton broke loose, only beginning with an assault on his interviewer's integrity. It turns out that Chris Wallace, too, despite his Clark Kent manner, is just another tool of that infamous Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy. Not only is Fox News out to get Bill Clinton but so is ABC, which ran a docudrama about the path to 9/11 that paints him (and the current administration, too) in a less than flattering light. "So you did Fox's bidding on this show," he told Chris Wallace. "You did your nice little conservative hit job on me..."
And that was just the beginning..... ... and so heatedly ony. How strange: It was Chris Wallace who remained the picture of presidential dignity.
The interviewee's temper tantrum wasn't just embarrassing, it was a little worrisome. Can this sort of thing be good for a cardiac patient? Not to worry. This was less a real meltdown than another of Bill Clinton's star turns.
As for the historical dispute, the facts according to the Book of Clinton naturally enough don't jib with the administration's. And after simmering for a while, the current secretary of state and defensive linewoman, Condi Rice, struck back in the same tone. ("Rice Boils over at Bubba/Rips 'Flatly False'/ Claim..." - New York Post, Tuesday, September 26, 2006.
Gosh, with the Clinton people blaming the Bush people for 9/11, and the Bush people blaming the Clinton people, do you thnk the terrorists might have had anything at all to do with it?
In the end, the only thing clear about this battle of fact versus counter-fact is that there's quite enough blame to go a round for this historical failure. What sticks in the mind isn't all the history-in-hindsight but the huffy-puffy tone of this whole debate and micturition match. It's not exactly Wendell Wilkie's discussing FDR's foreign policy during another war. The phrase Loyal Opposition had more basis then.
The approach of midterm elections seems to bring out the Bill Clinton I remember from his Arkansas period, when he tended to enjoy a resty exchange now and then at the Governor's Mansion. On one such occasion, all I'd done was make a mild suggestion, and Gentle Reader will know what a meek, non-controversial fellow I am, a regular Chris Wallace. I'd suggested that, by appointing his own quasi-judicial, yellow-dog Democrat commission to investigate the business affairs of his Republican rival Sheffield Nelson, Governor Clinton had committed an abuse of pwer comparable to those of the Faubus Years. Whereupon he flew into one of his rages. Imagine that.
When I remember most about that little blow-up so long ago was how programmed his fury seemed. His taking after Chris Wallace brought it all back. There didn't seem any authentic anger, any moral force, behind the words that long-ago day, just petty irritation expressed at high volume. Ditto, his interview Sundy on Fox News. He was making the same mistake the country's current president makes from time to time - substituting bluster for reason.
But there are few things more amusing in these dolorous days than Bill Clinton demanding that the truth be told? It's hard to take him seriously when he gets all righteous on us. No character, no real coler.
So this, too, will pass. When the show/press conference at the Governor's Mansion was over that long-ago day, Governor Clinton made a point of shaking my hand on the way out and even soliciting my political advice, as worthless then as it is now. But the guy never misses a chance to work the crowd.
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thx Shuckins for the post
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skuzzy, beyond the local level the answer to that would be no. I guess you are correct. at the local level I have seen politicians make unpopular decisions and live by them. I have witnessed unimaginable corruption as well. the thing with politics in general and especially at the national level is that politics is basically a game of compromise. any stand a politician makes will draw fire for a portion of the constituancy.
I'll share an anecdote of some folks taking the high road on a local issue.
today I met with a councilman and the head of the parks department for a local beachfront municipality. this particular town is having problems that they are not accustomed to dealing with until recently.
this little town was totally gentrified and has a more or less weak tax base when compared to the rest of greater dade county. though sixty year old dilapidated homes are selling for $500k most of the town has homes that were last sold 30 years ago or so. this means low taxes that are based on the value of the home at the time of purchase in today's highly inflated services market.
in the last few years many young families have been moving into the community. the influx of little children who need play space in a highly urbanized area has become a priority for the newer residents of the town. the older citizens who are there enjoying their retirement years and accustomed to being catered to are bitterly protesting. many wild purse fights have been reported in the press with accusations of corruption and the loss of jobs for many of the city administrators.
we (our company) have probably won a significant contract to rehab the two parks in this town. most of the city councilmen will probably lose their jobs over this decision as the older citizens are still in the majority and are unified against this major expenditure. in my opinion it is a courageous stance and the correct one. I see it as a good example of the politicians placing the greater good over expediency, kowtowing to the greater numbers would not be good for this town even though they will probably have to go into hock to pay for the work they see a need for.
I agree with this decision, not because we stand to gain financially from it but because the city and the area at large will benefit greatly. I expect that in a few years that once sleepy community of aging N/E U.S. and Canadian citizens who came here to die will be completely replaced by young families and the economic vibrancy that such change causes in any town will offset the costs by increasing it's tax base and attracting new businesses to serve the communities needs.
here's the rub. the people who are wailing the loudest will see their property values increase even further as the "head east" movement here has not yet peaked. there is still competition for those old homes on an oceanfront community in the center of bustling miami. whatever asking price they place on those homes will probably be paid.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
He is not a pathological liar, he is a politician. I know, I know...nit picking.
The times a politician is not lieing occurs when they are sleeping, or in a coffin.
Come on Skuzzy, isn't there a rule somewhere about cut 'n' paste walls o' text with no input from the poster?
If I wanted to read what Coulter had to say about Clinton, I'd go to some site other than the AH BB.
:cry :noid :cry
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When Coulter becomes an authority on anything I might eventually be impressed (though not bloodly likely). What I read comes off as one long howling whine attempting to paint others as howling worse. I'd thought most people left that behind on the elementary school playground. I wonder how long she was shaking after she wrote the piece. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
When Coulter becomes an authority on anything I might eventually be impressed (though not bloodly likely). What I read comes off as one long howling whine attempting to paint others as howling worse. I'd thought most people left that behind on the elementary school playground. I wonder how long she was shaking after she wrote the piece. :D
Not half as long as Clinton was wagging his finger.
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Coulter is probably busy getting hunkered down in the bunker with Ashcroft, the rapture is on it's way, honestly, saw it on Fox news.
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Originally posted by john9001
yeah, now there's a unbiased opinion.
How can one have an unbiased opinion?
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Originally posted by lukster
Not half as long as Clinton was wagging his finger.
And not a tenth as long as this thread will get. Is foam bad for the keyboard? I dunno. :D
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Originally posted by Scherf
Come on Skuzzy, isn't there a rule somewhere about cut 'n' paste walls o' text with no input from the poster?
If I wanted to read what Coulter had to say about Clinton, I'd go to some site other than the AH BB.
:cry :noid :cry
Honestly got side tracked at work fueling the evil Neo con conspiracy machinery, every time I went to add a comment was distracted... So I would like to apoligize to the moonbats for the driveby.... Coulters points were very valid but since it detracts from the charisma of the lefts pointy fingered red faced habitual lieing ex presidential poster boy, then any future Coulter columns must be banned from the Oclub just because....
Dont understand why you lefties are so afraid of free speech, and on the bbs you are shielded from the text by a Subject line, you needant even click the link if you read the words "Coulter on Clinton" but giving you the benefit of the doubt you might have thought it had like nude pictures or something, maybe a cigar scene with Ann and Bill... Sorry to disappoint but not really...
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Maybe nobody actually is and the confusion over who is and isn't poppin' a vein adds to the confusion of who is and isn't poppin' a vein while they're busy accusin' other's of poppin' veins. Yeah, valid ... mmmmkay. ;)
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Originally posted by T0J0
Honestly got side tracked at work fueling the evil Neo con conspiracy machinery, every time I went to add a comment was distracted... So I would like to apoligize to the moonbats for the driveby.... Coulters points were very valid but since it detracts from the charisma of the lefts pointy fingered red faced habitual lieing ex presidential poster boy, then any future Coulter columns must be banned from the Oclub just because....
Dont understand why you lefties are so afraid of free speech, and on the bbs you are shielded from the text by a Subject line, you needant even click the link if you read the words "Coulter on Clinton" but giving you the benefit of the doubt you might have thought it had like nude pictures or something, maybe a cigar scene with Ann and Bill... Sorry to disappoint but not really...
Lighten up Francis - was attempting to take the Mickey out of Skuzzy.
But, don't let that bother you. I look forward to your next cut 'n' paste.
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Think the viens will be popping, teeth will be gnashing and hands will be wringing by the neo con death cult, rapture hoping minority in November.
Just my take mind you;)
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Originally posted by Hawco
Think the viens will be popping, teeth will be gnashing and hands will be wringing by the neo con death cult, rapture hoping minority in November.
Just my take mind you;)
Maybe on television in one of those consolation lefty tv president dramas. A reaffirmed republican congress and later a new republican president is bound to spawn one or three.
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(http://scorchyworld.com/Assets/badgeimages/deathcultbadge.jpg)
The neocon Death cult has a badge???
Im going to have to make a Moonbat Cult badge
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Will this do?
(http://www.usasurvival.org/images/hillary.jpg)
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I can just imagine what she is looking at :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Yeager
I can just imagine what she is looking at :rolleyes:
Perhaps Bill's got himself a new box of cigars? Wait...I think I'm about to be sick on my keyboard!:O