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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: ozrocker on September 28, 2006, 03:07:13 PM
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Well, after a time of playing the new arenas, I must say that I'm not happy that these changes are forced upon us as they are. I believe that it would have been more constructive to make the Early and Mid arenas optional. The late arena is always full at 250, squads can almost never link up, numbers and Eny are always screwed. In my squadron, we have 4 different elements, ie Fighters, Bombers, etc. Even though there is text across arenas, it is only limited to my particular squad(Fighters). I cannot text anyone in Bombers, Jabos. This new setup has done a lot to disgruntle long- time AH players, quite a few who have quit, with more leaving each day to other sims. I believe HT should reevaluate this forced change. If numbers in MA were an issue, get a better dedicated server. The technolgy, and companies are out there itching for the business. This game has come a long way, but I think that it has taken a major step backwards in this implementation, and forced change. HT, please reconsider the arena setup, change the other arenas to optional. Gameplay has taken a serious, and negative turn, with these changes.
Oh, BTW TOD out in 2 weeks :)
Oz
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It's not all negitive no more freekin LA-7's and Spit-16's ganging you every time you up.... In the other arenas that is, I really don't see why we don't have more people in the MWA good plane set all around and fair fights.... I can truthfully say I have not uped a single plane in the LWA after they changed things. Though I do miss the F4U-4 a bit but I'll trade that for the lack of LA7's and Spit16's in the other arenas. I sometimes think that there are so many in the LWA because so many need the cruches of those uber planes. I know that this statement might not be totally acurate but it's just the way it seems..:)
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I'm finding it difficult to get into the Late War Arena with the rest of my squad. Jumping into LW2 with 11 people doesnt quit work for me.
Why not boost the more popular arena to 300 or 400? Or increase all of them?
Thanks !
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I don't know, I really like the change. The old MA bored me to tears it was either be the gangbanger, or be the gangbangee. Not much fun either way for me.
Don't get me wrong I'm not afraid to fight when I'm out numbered as a matter of fact I kind of enjoy it, because those occasions that I come out the victor makes me feel like I have accomplished something, but in the old MA a 3v1 soon turned into a 10v1, with the cherry pick usualy the rule. Since the change I have had many great fights, some I win some I lose but for the most part the fights have been good.
I've been flying in the MWA as a knight because they always seem to be out numbered, and so far the people I've been flying with have been great. And for the most part the enemy be it bish or rook have been great, sure there are still those that HO, and run, but they seem to be a lot less than they were in the old MA.
It also seems that a lot of AH old timers are coming back to the game because they see the opportinity for a challenge. Real fights be it air to air, or air to ground. If your squadies are leaving because of the changes that's to bad, but I know many of mine that left before the changes because of the stagnant state of the old MA.
My personal opinion (yes I know everyone has one) is that game play has taken a serious and positive turn for the better with these changes.
SIK1
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For what it's worth, as of a minute ago the numbers were:
18/EW
69/MW
250/LW1
15/LW2
Seems like LW holds the interest of the most players. This seems to be the case every time I log in. I don't really know what to think other than the fact that I haven't enjoyed the game nearly as much since the changes. I've flown EW and had fun, just not as much as I used to. Bear in mind I've only been here for about six months though. Whatever...
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Because the La7, Niki, Spit16 and D-9's are the crutches for the weak.
So if that is a fact then removing those planes should distribute the population across all arenas.
Do you really believe that would happen?
Also note that the planes sets are relative:
in the EWA the Hurri IIc / Spit 9 = La7 / Spit 16 respectively.
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I go to late-war a lot. I don't go there to fly la7's, I go there because there is more to kill.
Normally, if late-war is full, I just go watch TV.:D
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i don't really like the new setup. Squad is seperated, not enough to kill in the arenas i can get in, and if i can get in to LWA i still find it hard to find someone sometimes.
if the arena cap was pped it would be better.
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What would it hurt, to up the numbers in the arenas. If there is demand for the LW arena, then why cant the maximum number of players be upped?
I think that the players have spoken, just look at the numbers.
I am by no means saying eliminate the other arenas. But having a second LW with 40 players?
I assure you that the majority of players in LW dont like it, and many of them are silenced by the fact that they dont post here. Or they simply dont like getting flamed by members of this "community."
So, here we go. Let the flames fly, and the fan boys croon.
ZZ3
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Up the Caps!!!
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Because the La7, Niki, Spit16 and D-9's are the crutches for the weak.
Kind of like the Hurricane IIc :confused:
I like the LW because I can fly whatever I choose and not have to jump arenas to do it. Maybe the majority of players like the same thing, quite a novel idea, and want to be where there are large amounts of people. I'm all for the changes, if an arena with 50 people in it is your idea of a good time in the game that's great but it just really isn't what I'm looking for.
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Originally posted by ZZ3
What would it hurt, to up the numbers in the arenas. If there is demand for the LW arena, then why cant the maximum number of players be upped?
I think that the players have spoken, just look at the numbers.
I am by no means saying eliminate the other arenas. But having a second LW with 40 players?
I assure you that the majority of players in LW dont like it, and many of them are silenced by the fact that they dont post here. Or they simply dont like getting flamed by members of this "community."
So, here we go. Let the flames fly, and the fan boys croon.
ZZ3
because HT is trying to create a community, not gang bangers. he probably should shrink the cap size for MA1 so MA2 might have more players.
and for further note, usually fan boy, or "fan boi" is an insult used when you are describing players that like a game that you don't play and do not like. :rofl why would you call someone who likes the game, that you pay to play a fan boy, when clearly you are a fan yourself. and if you are not a fan, why are you playing?
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Originally posted by pluck
because HT is trying to create a community, not gang bangers. he probably should shrink the cap size for MA1 so MA2 might have more players.
and for further note, usually fan boy, or "fan boi" is an insult used when you are describing players that like a game that you don't play and do not like. :rofl why would you call someone who likes the game, that you pay to play a fan boy, when clearly you are a fan yourself. and if you are not a fan, why are you playing?
I thought the community already was in place.
Mindless stab, your just picking a fight... For no apparent reason.
fanboy:
1. A person who is completely loyal to a game or company reguardless of if they suck or not.
You may have intentionally twisted the definition to suit your need. I'm not impressed.
There are further definitions, go look it up, rather than flame. You are wrong!
Do you have anything constructive to add? Rather, I should say, anything?
Next?
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Has anyone taken notice that HT un-hid the LW2 today?
I recommended that if the numbers were going to stay consistent around LW1 250 and LW2 at 15 to 40....then we could even lower the cap in both the LW1 and LW2 to 180ish...It would at least populate both arenas on an even keel.
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Alot of lurkers voicing the word.
Hope it gets noticed.
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9:20 US prime time.....
EW
Bish 6 players
Knights 27 players
Rooks 21 players
MW
Bish 68
Knights 45
Rooks 43
LW maxed....................
Isn't the LW the old MA? Fly anything.
LW2 88
Seems like to me anyway....The OLD MA is alive and kicking.....while the EW is floundering.
MW arena IMHO could be the same as the LW if the LA7's , Spit 16's and the type were perked in the LW arena.....whatever amount I don't care....
The Guys in te EW arena cant find what they are looking for and the LA7 drivers are happy as can be.
Sad
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I'm mildly annoyed how everyone in the LWA's are flagged as a HOing La/Spixteen dweeb.
I fly the late war, but the only thing I ever touch ElGays and Spixteens with is a hail of fire from my D-Hog's Brownings.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Because the La7, Niki, Spit16 and D-9's are the crutches for the weak.
It all relitive...some of the "Vets" have found their crutch planes in the EW and MW i the first two days. ;)
Originally posted by Saxman
I'm mildly annoyed how everyone in the LWA's are flagged as a HOing La/Spixteen dweeb.
Especially if the flag barer is an uber plane pilot to begin with.
(was checking player stats today...very interesting to see how many of those complaining that lala pilots have no skill spend over 50% of their time in lalas. :D)
Originally posted by RedTop
9:20 US prime time.....
EW
Bish 6 players
Knights 27 players
Rooks 21 players
MW
Bish 68
Knights 45
Rooks 43
LW maxed....................
Isn't the LW the old MA? Fly anything.
LW2 88
Seems like to me anyway....The OLD MA is alive and kicking.....while the EW is floundering.
MW arena IMHO could be the same as the LW if the LA7's , Spit 16's and the type were perked in the LW arena.....whatever amount I don't care....
The Guys in te EW arena cant find what they are looking for and the LA7 drivers are happy as can be.
Sad
The numbers in each arena seem to indicate this dont they?
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Originally posted by ozrocker
I'm not happy
Gotcha. ;)
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Because the La7, Niki, Spit16 and D-9's are the crutches for the weak.
I wonder if this has ever been tried:
Limit the number of available aircraft.
Say, no more than 20 LA-7s in the LW arena
at any one time for example.
and just to make it mooooore interesting.
If you get killed, you might lose your
plane in the interim between dying
and respawning if someone else grabs
it before you get back onto the runway.
Wouldn't that be an interesting way
to stem the gangbanging with uber
planes. Its the reason I never go to
the LWA. Haven't been in there since
the change.
I've found dogfight nirvana in the EWA. :)
David
"96Delta"
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Originally posted by JimJones
So if that is a fact then removing those planes should distribute the population across all arenas.
Do you really believe that would happen?
Also note that the planes sets are relative:
in the EWA the Hurri IIc / Spit 9 = La7 / Spit 16 respectively.
The Hurri IIC ain't that tough.
I kill em all the time with my P-40E...
a plane I could NEVER fly in the MA without
quickly getting ganged.
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I see some still haven't gotten the point of my initial post. :rofl
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If i were the king, I'd do somthin like this
EW- Rolling Plane Set Arena 39' to '43 (Not Axis- Allied)
MA1- Big Map Rotation, All Planes enabled
MA2- Small Map Rotation, All Planes enabled
lose the AvA, they will have to get thier fix in scenarios and RPS Arena
DA and TA should be put together somehow,
that new TA map is sweet, but due to the settings
99% of it doesnt get used
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Numbers arent everything.
all it needs is 30+ ppl in EW or MW and you can find the same if not more action than the old MA.
upping the caps of the LW arena wont solve anything HT is trying to progress not take steps backwards. By making things interesting and giving you more choice. Why you all cry about the LW arena is a joke.
Get your squaddies into the EW or MW arenas.
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Originally posted by JimJones
in the EWA the Hurri IIc / Spit 9 = La7 / Spit 16 respectively.
it is true that the weak will always take the path of least resistance and there is plenty of weakness to go around the woobiecane does not equal the LA7 by any stretch of the imagination and the spit9 is perked I believe so you are wrong on both counts.
there are some of us who are learning to prevail in other rides and to make them truly shine against these formidable models. while the woobiecane is modelled some what incorrrectly in AHII it is certainly beatable especially since most of the players that select that model are very unskilled.
I appreciate the change tremendously, I get to use my favorite rides from that conflict against equally matched models. I have seldomly ventured away from EWA, every time I log on I'm able to take a 202 and go find a good fight with little trouble. prior to the change I would take the 202 and have to fight against woobicanes spixteens and La7s, that was no fun.
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Originally posted by Bruv119
Numbers arent everything.
all it needs is 30+ ppl in EW or MW and you can find the same if not more action than the old MA.
upping the caps of the LW arena wont solve anything HT is trying to progress not take steps backwards. By making things interesting and giving you more choice. Why you all cry about the LW arena is a joke.
Get your squaddies into the EW or MW arenas.
ssssh!!!!! don't listen to this man stay in the LWA.
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Originally posted by Flayed1
It's not all negitive no more freekin LA-7's and Spit-16's ganging you every time you up.... In the other arenas that is, I really don't see why we don't have more people in the MWA good plane set all around and fair fights.... I can truthfully say I have not uped a single plane in the LWA after they changed things. Though I do miss the F4U-4 a bit but I'll trade that for the lack of LA7's and Spit16's in the other arenas. I sometimes think that there are so many in the LWA because so many need the cruches of those uber planes. I know that this statement might not be totally acurate but it's just the way it seems..:)
Flayd, I have to disagree 100%. Not all of us BOPS want to fly a Hurri2C vs a 109F all day everyday. I could always find 4 or 5 squadmates minimum on channel at any hour on any day or night. Now, I haven't flown with more than 2 squadmates for a week. I can't remember a dry spell that long in over three years. That says something about the popularity of the new setup to me. Squadmates are my friends and I want to fly with my friends or I would'nt be in a squad to start with.
I don't see the late war planes as crutches. I enjoy fighting against them and gaining perks when I kill them in a lesser aircraft. Check my stats, I rarely fly perkbirds unless I'm blowing them in a 262. Most of the time you'll find me flying a wooden gascan that turns on a quarter and will drop with a few pings from a .303(Mossie) while taking on those uber LaLa's and Spits. I'll fly the lesser aircraft with the higher ENY and take the money and run knowing I just owned the other guy or fight to the death against him and his friends while they wonder who the heck is this guy thats so hard to kill. It's all about who knows that pilot stuff and who does'nt, IMHO.
Being limited to a T34 and M16 does wonders for the ground game, too. I can't believe the Germans didn't have Panzers at the start of WWII. Did Poland surrender to JU-87's?
In the EWA and MWA it's all horde or vacant except for the milkrunners. I never had a problem with LaLa's and Spit16's in the past, altho some others whined about them. The problem is not the planes, it's the imbalance of enemy in the arena. Shrinking the arena does nothing to address this.
I remember AW had a limit of planes that could up from a field or zone. It makes sense historically and practicly. An airfield can only hold so many planes and receive so many in resupply. Stopping the resupply of replacement aircraft is a logical solution. Keep the arena numbers high, but force the players to up from different bases or zones. Change grunt training and AA factories to fighter and bomber factories. Allow resupply of factories by goon. They are basicly useless now except for milkrunner points. Neither really affects gameplay or reset outcome as is. Make strats strategic!
Opening a new arena when one hits 250 accomplishes absolutely nothing other than to put you in a vacant arena prime for milkrunners. Who knows, maybe these suggestions won't work here. But it's a far sight better than a 3 way arena with a 250 player limit setup we have now. This game has gotten way too touchy feely like a politically correct affirmative action program gone horribly, horribly wrong.:confused:
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what this change has done as RPM points out is exposed the gaps in the model base. if the game is to continue to grow one of the necessary changes will have to be the addition of new models to flesh out the arenas. there will be a need for new early war planes as well as armored and support vehicles.
who knows we may see a matilda or a sherman in the near future as well as earlier marks of the panzer.
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Karaya, you had a point in your first post? :huh
The EW seems to be lacking, if you log in and jump to the side with low numbers you quickly realize that the other two sides are attacking each other and there is no one for the third side to fight...or too far away to make it worthwhile to fly there.
I've had some good times in the EW and I've also logged off after flying for 10 minutes and finding no one that will fight and being stuck on that country now for an hour.
I was looking last night at some of the guys who say to switch the "chesspeice" side in other threads and find it highly amusing that the ones who cry about other people not switching to even it up rarely make any changes themselves :lol
The game is becoming even more boring for me since the changes than it was before them, I have flown all 3 arenas and found no joy in mudville.
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Originally posted by Flayed1
It's not all negitive no more freekin LA-7's and Spit-16's ganging you every time you up.... In the other arenas that is, I really don't see why we don't have more people in the MWA good plane set all around and fair fights.... I can truthfully say I have not uped a single plane in the LWA after they changed things. Though I do miss the F4U-4 a bit but I'll trade that for the lack of LA7's and Spit16's in the other arenas. I sometimes think that there are so many in the LWA because so many need the cruches of those uber planes. I know that this statement might not be totally acurate but it's just the way it seems..:)
Flayd
I agree 100%.
I have not flown in the LWA either. I have only logged in once to see what the map was. This change has given me the chance to master other planes in MW that you just can't survive in in the old MA. I've spent a lot of time in the Mossie and have learned what a killer it is. (Except when AKAK is around in his 38. AKAK).
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When I go to the LW arena it's mainly to GV. More vulchers to kill for as long as the VH lasts. Then it's off to the next field they are rolling for a few minutes until they kill that one.
Most of my flying is in the EW or MW arenas.
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The EW seems to be lacking, if you log in and jump to the side with low numbers you quickly realize that the other two sides are attacking each other and there is no one for the third side to fight...or too far away to make it worthwhile to fly there.
EW is only lacking by number count relative to LW. Once in EW the fights are usually great and long lasting.
I especially love the fact that when the horde/land grabbers find the furball all you have to do is annouce a move to another set of bases and the good fights continue. Happily this does not happen that often because most people that come into the EW are looking for fights not winning the war.
The only time the EW arena stinks (ala last Friday night) is when the LW guys go there because they are capped out. The good news is HT raised the cap on LW so EW will mainly always consist of people that just want to fight.
Seem like a win win to me.
As for the country, it is true with the beta map. It seems this time around Bish fields were so far away from either enemy country that it was pointless to fly Bish.
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Originally posted by ZZ3
I thought the community already was in place.
Mindless stab, your just picking a fight... For no apparent reason.
fanboy:
1. A person who is completely loyal to a game or company reguardless of if they suck or not.
You may have intentionally twisted the definition to suit your need. I'm not impressed.
There are further definitions, go look it up, rather than flame. You are wrong!
Do you have anything constructive to add? Rather, I should say, anything?
Next?
2. A pathetic insult often used by fanboys themselves to try and put down people who don't like whatever it is they like.
i wasn't flamming anyone. i was just stating. your originally opinion was fine, but to end it by saying something about fanboys crooning was picking a fight. i don't really care, just thought i'd take your advice.
what i meant by community was, a better community. so actually i was being constructive because i figured you didn't know the reasons behind the change.
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i wasn't flamming anyone. i was just stating. your originally opinion was fine, but to end it by saying something about fanboys crooning was picking a fight. i don't really care, just thought i'd take your advice.
This pretty much sums up our bbs rules.
I should have caught the fan boi comment early and deleted his post because of it, like pluck said , the first part was his opionion and hence no problem, the 2nd part was name calling/flame baiting, and that is what cause the threads and discussions to break down.
So how about you both just let it drop.
HiTech
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Originally posted by 96Delta
The Hurri IIC ain't that tough.
I kill em all the time with my P-40E...
a plane I could NEVER fly in the MA without
quickly getting ganged.
True enough. I enjoy killing La7 / Spit 16s with C205 all day long.
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I have to say that coming to the boards only to see "deleted" on every other post or HTC having to tell people to "clean up thier act" is a real shame.
Just think how much work they could do on the game if they didn't have to come here and babysit half the crew.
Being one of the many vets in the game it's embarrasing to read most of the threads on here.
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