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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: xNOVAx on September 28, 2006, 09:23:13 PM
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After the new arena format change, I've come to realize that the biggest reason I played this game was to fly with my squad. This in my opinion was the best part of the game. Period. And that has now been taken away.
I used to fly almost every night for a mission or two with my squaddies, but I havent even logged an hour since the change. Nobody is ever in the same arena and it's near impossible for that to happen anymore with the number limitations in each arena.. The days of upping with 5-10 of my squaddies are over, and this is most unfortunate.
This game is no longer fun for me because of this reason, and unless something changes soon, I may not be around much longer. After 3 years of fun, I'd hate to see it come to this.
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Yep....Would agree Nova.
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I agree too, these arenas suck.
We need 1 main arena, please change back.:(
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Agreed... this blows
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Used to be that I could find at least 3-5 squadies on everyday of the week. Now the average number on is close to zero. Maybe once or twice a week one will be on.
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I agree. The change has decimated the Hells Angels. We hardly ever fly together anymore. I really miss them, the squad was what kept me coming back for more.
You could argue that as AHII grows, we would eventually reach the point where we have to split the arenas. I was hoping that the technology would continue to grow and we could have a true massive multiplayer flight sim with thousands in one arena some day. An entire world to fight in at the same time. Guess I was dreaming a bit too much.
It was the massive multi-player that made this so much more interesting than Air Warrior. I remember when AW had 8 arenas each with just a 150 or so players. I feel like we're going backwards in time.
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AIM anyone? Email? These things are still available... Might be easier than trying to reset time...
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Originally posted by Arcades057
AIM anyone? Email? These things are still available... Might be easier than trying to reset time...
Yes, we all have access to AIM or email or whatever else instant message service is out there. The problem is not a question of reaching, but an issue of being able to fly and interact with one another. If I just wanted to call up a friend and chat, I will pick up the phone. I come in AH to fly/play and interact with the squad mates. It is, afterall, what brought us all together in the first place. We like to stick with it.
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I know that it was very common for at least 5 or 6 Mafia members to be on every night. Roughly 13 to 20 on squad nights.
Now it's about 8 or so on squad nights..and maybe 2 or 3 on off squad nights. :(
I certainly miss it as well.
I know 1 cancled his account in disgust...but i think some of the others are just waiting to see if things get back to normal.
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With any luck at all Mugzeee, if we as a community can approach it with ideas to improve the game play, instead of just lamenting what was, maybe we'll make it better.
Seems like we at least got heard out in that other thread of mine. I'd rather go at it that way.
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Arcades, I think you're giving an oversimple answer to MOSQ's post.
A large squad with a variety of people will have different interests or hot buttons for players, but the cameraderie is what makes the squad. Some members are infrequent flyers, but are still vox and virtual buddys when they do show up. Many squads have a loose structure and no real squad night, they just show up and sometimes do things together, and other times those with similar interests work together, such as gvs or fighters only or bombers. They still communicate but are not always at the same place creating a horde.
The arena limits limit the ability of those folks to 'hang around' together. Tonight was an example, since LWI was full and LWII had about 10-15 people. In LW you can still do anything, fly anything, gv, have cvs, etc. If they can't get in LWI and the other arenas are populated lightly (12 or 30 players), or the other arena doesn't appeal to the player as a lone wolf, the player either does something they don't enjoy as much in a lightly populated arena, or logs off.
The social aspect of loose squads that aren't single minded (i.e. only fly X planes, only fly X historical planes, only fly X country, only gv, only grab land, only fly fighters, etc.) has deteriorated significantly. Either they have to form new or less virtual friendships or squads based on single-minded interests, get used to flying individually, become a rigid squad with attendance rules and procedures or not play as much, or enjoy it as much.
I don't have any heartburn about the different arenas. I think that players in non-peak US time and loosely organized, more socially-centered squads are affected the most by this change. HTC seems aware of it and I trust they're trying to figure out ways to remedy it.
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Rolex, Well said boss!
I know I was lamenting. Ok, guilty. Believe me, I'd love for all of us to come up with some solutions, I'm not giving up yet!
And I still think massive multi-player is the way of the future in all SIMS, not just AHII.
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xNOVAx,
I'm having the same problems and the game is not fun for me anymore. I decided to quit and disband the squad but after some days of rethinking and cooling down .... well, I'll give them a couple of months to big-fine-tune the thing or eventually let us try the Combat Tour. And this becouse I've been enjoing so much the game before 9/13, *since 1999's beta*. I cannot believe everybody went crazy at HTC and ruined the fun for quite a big part of the community. So, lets give them some more time.
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EW and MW always have plenty of room maybe take your squads in there and you can all be together again nice and happy.
The more people who complain about not getting into the LW arena is stupid.
You guys loved the old MA and now you refuse to try the new offerings.
If your squaddies are happily playing in LW and you cant get in how about the CO of whatever squad decides to try something different.
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Originally posted by MOSQ
I agree. The change has decimated the Hells Angels. We hardly ever fly together anymore. I really miss them, the squad was what kept me coming back for more.
You could argue that as AHII grows, we would eventually reach the point where we have to split the arenas. I was hoping that the technology would continue to grow and we could have a true massive multiplayer flight sim with thousands in one arena some day. An entire world to fight in at the same time. Guess I was dreaming a bit too much.
It was the massive multi-player that made this so much more interesting than Air Warrior. I remember when AW had 8 arenas each with just a 150 or so players. I feel like we're going backwards in time.
I agree 100%:aok
JMFJ
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See Rule #4, #5
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xNOVAx, I'm in the same boat. I have'nt flown with a squadmate in a week. I hate the thought of pulling the plug on my account, but as it is now, the game isn't worth the price of admission to me.:( :( :(
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See Rules #2, #4
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See Rule #2
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Originally posted by Bruv119
EW and MW always have plenty of room maybe take your squads in there and you can all be together again nice and happy.
The more people who complain about not getting into the LW arena is stupid.
You guys loved the old MA and now you refuse to try the new offerings.
If your squaddies are happily playing in LW and you cant get in how about the CO of whatever squad decides to try something different.
Remember that some players like me dont have anymore fun in any arena, not only LW. I dont give a damn of what arena I play in, EW-MW-LW. I used to fly the 205, so at least two arenas should be good for me. Problem is: the fun is apparently gone, gone with numbers (in Euro time) and squad mates.
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I just logged off it's 0522 here making it mid morning GMT. there are 80+ players on in LW which is similar to what it was prior to the change. there is apparently plenty of room for squad play as well. I fail to see the problem, especially for the europlayers.
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If your squaddies really want to fly together, they can meet in the same arena as the squad channel works fron an arena to another...when I log in I say "hi" on squad, and if pple are responding me from another arena we just agree on an arena to play on....I don't really understand what the problem is, maybe your squad just doesn't really want to stick together
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Usually, during my euro time playing (some free week-ends and some evenings at 08-11pm, GMT+1) the Main was up to 300-400 players. About squaddies, I meant I now find less of them playing. BTW, like I said, we'll see and judge.
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storch the only problem with euro times are that there arent enough players to go around lol
thats why we been talking about getting people out of LW and into EW, MW or finding ways to improve the gameplay for us.
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Originally posted by xNOVAx
I used to fly almost every night for a mission or two with my squaddies, but I havent even logged an hour since the change.
If this statement is true , you have'nt given it much of a chance, have you?
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*blinks repeatedly*
I must have missread this... did we just get an offer to play with frau storch? (quicly calls ticketing office)
:O :D
Saw (le lover)
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After almost 4 years for playing a game that I enjoyed I have decided to take sometime away from it, As it is set up now I've lost desire to play, not all but alot of my friend that played during the day time have left, not all quit, but not playing, I'm not closing my acount yet but will wait awhile and see what happens. To everyone that I played with over the years HAVE FUN.
I'm think that they are setting the game up for the people who only play a couple of hours a week and will be making it so that newbies will be able get right into the game. This is a hard game to learn quick and a lot that try the free two week's do not stay because of that so I think we will be seeing more changes to help them.
SFC John Brown, US Army (Retired)
Dusted off my old battlegorund 2 Gettysbury and will see If I can get a major win for the north (someone shoot me). Can defeat the north every time.
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Originally posted by Shifty
If this statement is true , you have'nt given it much of a chance, have you?
Thats flight time.. I've logged on plenty hoping to see some squaddies to fly with at no avail..
I then proceed to log off and go do something else.
This game to me is more about the people, and less about the actual game.
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Originally posted by Noir
If your squaddies really want to fly together, they can meet in the same arena as the squad channel works fron an arena to another...when I log in I say "hi" on squad, and if pple are responding me from another arena we just agree on an arena to play on....I don't really understand what the problem is, maybe your squad just doesn't really want to stick together
Agreed.
I have to admit that these posts mystify me.
If your enjoyment of this game stems from your ability to travel with your crowd....then why don't you keep doing that? There is nothing preventing you from staying together. It may mean that you can't fly your favorite plane when you're together, or that you have to fly for another country when you're together, or that you must fly in a different time period from the one you're used to. But you can still fly together.
If the complaint is that you want to fly with your squad, BUT you also insist on flying your favorite plane, and/or that you just aren't happy unless your radar is filled with red and green dots....well, square your shoulders and try to be brave. It's your interaction with your squad that really counts, isn't it?
I mean, isn't it?
- oldman
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Re: The best part of the game is now history
:O Oh no! You mean they cancelled the special events?
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Originally posted by Bruv119
EW and MW always have plenty of room maybe take your squads in there and you can all be together again nice and happy.
The more people who complain about not getting into the LW arena is stupid.
You guys loved the old MA and now you refuse to try the new offerings.
If your squaddies are happily playing in LW and you cant get in how about the CO of whatever squad decides to try something different.
Who said we havent tried the others??
I've flown in each of them, Its just not much fun. Having 3 Squaddies in EW, 4 in MW, and a couple in LW....
My squad has had 5 people quit the game entirely and others are deciding what they are going to do.
Quit being judgemental about how others feel and just take it for what it is.... Not everyone is thrilled about the change and thats their opinion.
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I hate to admit it, but Storch has been making lots of sense lately.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Saintaw
*blinks repeatedly*
I must have missread this... did we just get an offer to play with frau storch? (quicly calls ticketing office)
:O :D
Saw (le lover)
oh yea?? type that in latin, even pig latin. :D
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Originally posted by xNOVAx
Thats flight time.. I've logged on plenty hoping to see some squaddies to fly with at no avail..
I then proceed to log off and go do something else.
This game to me is more about the people, and less about the actual game.
So you want a chat room?
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I will be landing at 5AM sunday Storch san... :D <-- I wish !
Saw (Cervesa jacta est!)
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You know all you guys fail to see and realize this why this change is here and most likely permanent.
CT!
Are there squads in CT? No!
Does HT want everyone in the MA? No!
Was the MA total crap? Yep.
You guys have yet to come up with real complaints. All I hear is, "it's to hard for me to adjust to the new format."
You still have all the same game play options and more.
Honestly if your squad takes 20 mins to move to an arena maybe you should look for more competent players.
Now a few things I agree with:
Yes HT should raise the cap on the LW arena maybe 100 to 150 more people. This will get all the people that don't really want to fly in the other arenas out of them and we will see the BnZ hurricanes (LOLH) go away.
Yeah storchy is starting to see the light, thank God. I also heard one of the BKs helped him with an attitude adjustment last week in EW arena too. To the tune of 3 or 4 consecutive 1v1 loses to no wins :D. He's a decent guy and starting to get it :aok
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Originally posted by Saintaw
I will be landing at 5AM sunday Storch san... :D <-- I wish !
Saw (Cervesa jacta est!)
see you when you get here, I'll give the $.25 walking tour of liberty city and brownsville while we discuss your position on personal firearm ownership. :D
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Agreed.
I have to admit that these posts mystify me.
If your enjoyment of this game stems from your ability to travel with your crowd....then why don't you keep doing that? There is nothing preventing you from staying together. It may mean that you can't fly your favorite plane when you're together, or that you have to fly for another country when you're together, or that you must fly in a different time period from the one you're used to. But you can still fly together.
If the complaint is that you want to fly with your squad, BUT you also insist on flying your favorite plane, and/or that you just aren't happy unless your radar is filled with red and green dots....well, square your shoulders and try to be brave. It's your interaction with your squad that really counts, isn't it?
I mean, isn't it?
- oldman
Ist off I know you did'nt say it but I'm sick of hearing the "Crying " term....we are all just expressing our opinions!! My squad is also falling apart this is a fact...not "crying or anything just the facts".I think its so wrong that our squad has to go to a arena that we don't want to be in....the other night It took us a half hour just to find our squadies....then we all had to switch to knits just to try and make the arena fair
So...why should I pay for a game that does not let me play the game the way I want to play it?? Don't give me this"your gotta try other arenas"
we have tryed them.....EW AND MW are boring and the only reson people are there is because the can't get in the arena that has the most people in it(lw)....Thats my opinon....not "CRYING" or anything
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Whine
I just kill
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cmon Kaw - Your squad is falling apart? Honestly how cohesive was your squad and all the others that can't get over this new format, if this change is killing it? You guys really can't get it together enough to surmount the arena change? No disrespect meant, it just beguiles me.
I agree your not crying, much like the furballers were not crying when they brought their concerns up. I guess you must feel like the furballers did when all you guys kept saying to the furballers - "Quit crying" - "Oh another furballer whine thread" etc. At least now many can see the hipocracy in it all.
pfft ok morph. ask that mars and that other dimlight who's handle escapes me but is not too bad in a 109 what happened. was it naffdmf or some such nonsense as that?
Storch, with all do repect sir, I was there and watched it move for move when you and mars went to the bases by yourselves. I had joined mars's plane. You got beat when you had the alt, you got beat when you had the suprise, you got beat every time 1 v 1. I think 1Duke1 was the other guy there. Honestly tho I am not trying to put you down or rub your nose in it - I'm just saying no offense to you.
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I deleted the post because you are right about that night I just didn't remember it when I posted. in response let me just offer a more appropriate pack sand you silly blue frilly boy, how's that? I did kill that mars and that naff dude but perhaps it was another night though. I recall those because I won and because they both logged off after their humiliating defeats to the likes of a scrub like me.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
*blinks repeatedly*
I must have missread this... did we just get an offer to play with frau storch? (quicly calls ticketing office)
:O :D
Saw (le lover)
Might change your mind after you see her picture.
(http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2006/9/b14.jpg)
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
my most recent photo, taken at last years bay area gay pride parade
(http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2006/9/b14.jpg)
ack-ack
:D
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Originally posted by FX1
Whine
I just kill
Oh MY! It reminds me Wetrat and his posts when we were talking about the new 109K's and the old 109G-10's kill ability. But, at least we were flying a man's fighter. Sorry couldnt resist :rofl
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where is voss when you need him ? ( new sim ) :)
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The crappy part about this change is...
a) Your not always able to fly what you want.
b) Your not always able to fly with the people you want.
c) Your never able to fly what you want with the people you want, at the same time.
Change something please, this sucks. :D
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If squads continually play across EW, MW, and LW and not fly together then that appears to me that flying the way they want takes preference over flying together. Nothing to do with arena CAP numbers. If a squad wants to fly together there is nothing stopping them going to MW and doing 90% of what you could do in the old MA.
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S! Nova
before the change i flew alot. now my flying time has dropped drastically. not because i dont have time to fly. its because the same small maps are getting old.
folks say "what fun is it just to capture undefended bases" or say "your just a toolshedder whos base grabbing is ruined by upprs" far from it. i enjoy a good fight and a good defense. i never said i dont like opposition. i luv it.
i can make a battle start by attacking undefended bases which in turn starts a smaller war. making for great fights. put big maps back in rotation and lets have fun.
S! all
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The problem with squads and euro time is the low numbers.
There is really no point to go together (lets say with 10 people) to EWA or MWA which have some 20 people before the squad enters. The country balance will become badly distorted and the ENY hits hard.
So, I agree that flying with squad mates is more rare nowadays.
On top of that my netstatus at MA:s is nowadays wild up and downs... and with these warps it is almost impossible to hit anything. It started with the new arenas.. I hope it is only a coincidence, though.
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S! Nova
before the change i flew alot. now my flying time has dropped drastically. not because i dont have time to fly. its because the same small maps are getting old.
folks say "what fun is it just to capture undefended bases" or say "your just a toolshedder whos base grabbing is ruined by upprs" far from it. i enjoy a good fight and a good defense. i never said i dont like opposition. i luv it.
i can make a battle start by attacking undefended bases which in turn starts a smaller war. making for great fights. put big maps back in rotation and lets have fun.
S! all
So what has changed? You can still attack an undefended base and have the same percentage chance that no one will up to defend it or some might.
The numbers are not so out of whack either so, if you are saying there are not enough people on to fight where the small war/fight is and where you are attracking, then why not just join the small war that is already going on??
I don't get what is different, other than plane limits.
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S! quah
what has changed is no large maps in the rotation. with the way smaller maps are set up you have little choice as to where you want to get another fight going. large maps provide this.
also alot of folks have had to deal with the arena changes. who will it hurt to give folks back bigger maps?
my 2 cents sir
S!
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Quah:
number limits per arena is what has changed...i assume you had already noticed this...that is what is causing the griefing.
and lets be honest...if the cap in lw1 was raised to 500....then mw and ew would die on the vine...so the truth is the guys..(such as my squad who are still flying together) who want to be with each other are "forced" to fly in arenas that dont interest them the most ( in our case MW).
noone likes being told you have to choose...either fly with your friends OR fly the arena you like the most? i think most folks answer remains "why? we never had to before?"
so once again...the answer to these squads being able to fly together remains....open up the caps on LW and MW....then they can fly with each other easily.:aok
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Quah:
number limits per arena is what has changed...i assume you had already noticed this...that is what is causing the griefing.
and lets be honest...if the cap in lw1 was raised to 500....then mw and ew would die on the vine...so the truth is the guys..(such as my squad who are still flying together) who want to be with each other are "forced" to fly in arenas that dont interest them the most ( in our case MW).
noone likes being told you have to choose...either fly with your friends OR fly the arena you like the most? i think most folks answer remains "why? we never had to before?"
so once again...the answer to these squads being able to fly together remains....open up the caps on LW and MW....then they can fly with each other easily.:aok
I have to agree with this. I would also point out one issue that has yet to be mentioned....
The three arenas are here and my squad has chosen to adapt. We have a squad night where we all get together and fly. Because of arena caps, we have to by-pass the LW (the preferable arena) and go to MW. However, the numbers in MW are so low that when our squad joins the arena, the ENY gets thrown so far off that the only plane available to fly is the BOSTON. So, part fo the squad has to sit out, so that the remainder has a decent choice of plane sets. This happened last night, we had to fly a mission of Bostons and Ju-87s becuse they were the only planes with the ENY high enough to pass the filter. (Gee that was fun :rolleyes: )
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Well, I've given it several weeks of trying everything out. And here's my conclusions.
#1 Squads can no longer be Squads with the Current Setup.
#2 If the Arenas are to stay as they are, ENY should DIE.
#3 Milkrunning is at an All Time High.
#4 If the LW arena had a 500 player Cap, EW and MW would Die as they should.
Spawning a 2nd Arena when 1 is Full is a Joke. If I take my squad to that arena because the 1st one is full, the ENY goes so High you can't up anything worth flying. Also if the #1 arena empties below 80% then the #2 arena disappears to those logging in, if anyone gets booted they can't rejoin their squad ops already in progress.
The Current Arena setup has got to change for the good of the entire community or Aces High is gonna die.
BTW, HiTech should remove his Commercial advertising Massive Online Multiplayer Arenas, It simply is no longer true.
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Originally posted by SHawk
BTW, HiTech should remove his Commercial advertising Massive Online Multiplayer Arenas, It simply is no longer true.
Why? There is nothing false about the commercial stating MMO arenas in AH.
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The best part of this game was MA, and the massive multiplayer flavor,
I bought last week and instaled "IL2 complete edition", with some downloads/skins, the size of the game is over 6GB, comparing with my AH folder aprox 600MB,
Way more advanced graphic, FM,DM.., and online aprox 100 players/room, free to join once you have the game and behave
I still don't understand, why did HTC kill MA, the only think that made this game worth paying for ?!
Why would players pay for AH every month 15$, when can buy IL2 in box for 30$ or download free somwhere, a game with aprox same or some better features ?!
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Originally posted by Guppy35
With any luck at all Mugzeee, if we as a community can approach it with ideas to improve the game play, instead of just lamenting what was, maybe we'll make it better.
Seems like we at least got heard out in that other thread of mine. I'd rather go at it that way.
I fully agree. I also realize that there is a need for guys to find some relief talking about it. Up to your post i see a healthy discussion..havent read beyond your post yet..But i have a feeling.......... :noid
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Originally posted by ghi
The best part of this game was MA, and the massive multiplayer flavor,
I bought last week and instaled "IL2 complete edition", with some downloads/skins, the size of the game is over 6GB, comparing with my AH folder aprox 600MB,
Way more advanced graphic, FM,DM.., and online aprox 100 players/room, free to join once you have the game and behave
I still don't understand, why did HTC kill MA, the only think that made this game worth paying for ?!
Why would players pay for AH every month 15$, when can buy IL2 in box for 30$ or download free somwhere, a game with aprox same or some better features ?!
I like IL2 very much. As you stated AH was always a draw for me because of the numbers of players all in one room. That is now gone.
In time it might get better.
But i am enjoying other games at this time.
PS...our squad has decided to make the best of things as well, We have switched arenas, countries and flown planes we really dont like at all.
How long this will last? I dodnt know.
Is it less fun across the board? Yes
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Originally posted by Overlag
only HTC understands why, i suppose i might follow you're route into IL2.......
Sir,i honestly hope for HTC to bring MA back, in IL2 it took me 4-5 hours to learn to take off , and use engine without busting rings and overheat it, they don't have auto take off/pilot,
That game is cool but too complex, i'm too old to learn it
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See Rule #4, #5
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and lets be honest...if the cap in lw1 was raised to 500....then mw and ew would die on the vine...
I don't think so and I am all for raising the cap on the late war arena.
In EW people are there because they want to be and the arena is great.
The EW arena blows when, like you said, the LW guys go there because of the Caps.
Honestly EW wouldn't die if the caps were removed, it just wouldn't be over populated by runners and BnZrs. I don't mean that as a hack against any of you.
You can always tell when you have LW guys in EW, they take spits and hurries to 10k, only attack when you don't seem to be looking or are otherwise engaged, run after the initial merge is blown and can't handle planes in close or down on the deck.
I completely support raising or removing caps on LW.
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The best part of this game was MA, and the massive multiplayer flavor,
I bought last week and instaled "IL2 complete edition", with some downloads/skins, the size of the game is over 6GB, comparing with my AH folder aprox 600MB,
Way more advanced graphic, FM,DM.., and online aprox 100 players/room, free to join once you have the game and behave
The funniest part of this comment is, you left aces high because you can't get that "massive multiplayer flavor", but your happy with IL2's 100 players LOLH.
Honestly guys, remember all those crying about leaving when AHII came out. We'll HT survived and thrived. Same thing is going to happen now.
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Originally posted by Overlag
See Rule #2, #4, #5
No it's not. You might think it is but you're wrong.
Definition of a MMO..
A Massively Multiplayer Online Game (MMOG or MMO) is a computer game which is capable of supporting hundreds or thousands of players simultaneously, and is played on the Internet. Typically, this type of game is sometimes played in a giant persistent world.
MMOs enable players to compete with and against each other on a grand scale, and sometimes to interact meaningfully with people around the world. Most MMOs require players to invest large amounts of their time into the game.
No tell me how AH doesn't qualify? Are you able to get over 200+ players in one arena that can simultaneously engage in combat with each other?
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Originally posted by Quah!
The funniest part of this comment is, you left aces high because you can't get that "massive multiplayer flavor", but your happy with IL2's 100 players LOLH.
Honestly guys, remember all those crying about leaving when AHII came out. We'll HT survived and thrived. Same thing is going to happen now.
I was there. No one didnt like the new thing. Maybe someone with krap systems had low fps at the beginning, then AH2 was fine tuned. Almost everyone was excited for new graphics, strategics, clouds, aircraft flow and so on. HTC survived becouse AH2 was much needed. In six years I've never seen so many people talking about playing less and less and perhaps leaving. Never I saw a difficult moment like this one. I'm worried. Ok, its only a game: I'm worried about my preferred game, ok.
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Originally posted by gatt
I was there. No one didnt like the new thing. Maybe someone with krap systems had low fps at the beginning, then AH2 was fine tuned. Almost everyone was excited for new graphics, strategics, clouds, aircraft flow and so on. HTC survived becouse AH2 was much needed. In six years I've never seen so many people talking about playing less and less and perhaps leaving. Never I saw a difficult moment like this one. I'm worried. Ok, its only a game: I'm worried about my preferred game, ok.
Then you must have forgotten about the ENY Nuclear Meltdown ... that was on the same par as this change ... as far a whining and quitting goes.
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Originally posted by Quah!
Honestly guys, remember all those crying about leaving when AHII came out. We'll HT survived and thrived. Same thing is going to happen now.
I don't understand your comparations ?!
AH2 was a real improvement, came out with few hundreds more MBs in game size,graphic,new models, that required better sistem, videocards, and made some players quit , complain, until they bought new sistems,
But what did this change bring new or better?:(
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HTC survived becouse AH2 was much needed
I agree that AH2's graphics update had to happen.
And just like the AH2's change was needed so was this change.
As far as the player strife it created, I would take the current change over the AH2 change any time.
With AH2 there were people who suddenly could not play at all.
Today there are just some people who can not play exatly like they used to.
HiTech
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but you dont care right?
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I'm wondering why BK's even post about anything in Aces High. I haven't seen a single one of them in months. So how does thier opinion possibly reflect the playabilty of the game as it stands now? Just Curious.
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Originally posted by Hammy
but you dont care right?
No he cares enough to tell us to "Go Suck an Egg"
Truely Professional IMHO:confused:
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Originally posted by SHawk
No he cares enough to tell us to "Go Suck an Egg"
Truely Professional IMHO:confused:
aye :(
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Originally posted by SHawk
I'm wondering why BK's even post about anything in Aces High. I haven't seen a single one of them in months. So how does thier opinion possibly reflect the playabilty of the game as it stands now? Just Curious.
So because you haven't seen us, we don't exist. Hm. Maybe we're in a different arena than you now?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Gotta chime in here.
Cant say its the lack of flying with squad memebers cause alot of the times we didnt fly together alot anyway and often there was only one of us on at a time flying by ourselves anyway.
Cant say its the plane selection as I mainly fly the 109f reguardless of planeset
I've never been much of a horde warrior so its not like I miss hording
Im giving it a chance but I have to say so far alot of the fun factor just doesnt seem to be there.
Its like the arenas are missing something. That...Thing.
Its hard to place an exact finger on it but something vital just isnt there anymore.
It feels like the game is for lack of a better term Dying. Though my love for it is still strong and I want to play.
but when I get there. reguardless of arena or how full it is
It feels like its missing a certain energy an aura a certain magic it had under the old setup.
Like I said. its hard to place an exact finger on exactly what it is.
Its somethign you more sense and feel. Kinda like when you go to a professional sporting event between two rivals and enter the stadium. You can just FEEL the energy flowing as soon as you enter the seating area
You just dont sense and feel that when you enter the arenas now
Energy, aura, eclectrifying charge. I dont know.
when you entered the MA before you could amost feel the charge int he air. the exitement
It just isnt there under the new setups.
I hope TOD comes online soon just to get away from what its become.
Maybe thats the plan. I dont know.
But the game as it is now lacks the energy it did before
As aggrivating as it was sometimes before.
I liked the old way alot better
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
So because you haven't seen us, we don't exist. Hm. Maybe we're in a different arena than you now?
-- Todd/Leviathn
Well, maybe I should rephrase. I rarely see them. Jaxxo and Mars is about it. I'm in every arena every day. I have to just to find my squad.
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Originally posted by SHawk
Well, maybe I should rephrase. I rarely see them. Jaxxo and Mars is about it. I'm in every arena every day.
We all opened up shadez accounts and have infiltrated every Mega-skwad to subvert them from within.
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Originally posted by SHawk
I'm wondering why BK's even post about anything in Aces High. I haven't seen a single one of them in months. So how does thier opinion possibly reflect the playabilty of the game as it stands now? Just Curious.
Why do so many of you guys blame this change on the BK's? The reason the changes were made were quite clearly posted by HT. It had nothing to do with the BK's. It had everything to do with how HT wants to make his business healthier for the future. It's nothing personal , it's happened and all the finger pointing , insults, complaining and threats, is not going to bring the old game back. Grow up , dry your eyes , wipe the snot off your lip , fire up your computer and get back in the fight. You can still do everything you did before except horde.
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I think your reading something more into it than was said. I never said BK's had anything to do with the changes or even thought that.
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Originally posted by SHawk
I think your reading something more into it than was said. I never said BK's had anything to do with the changes or even thought that.
Then why are you concerned about their opinon? You think it carries any more weight than yours? Your opinon of the death of AH, that both EW and MW arenas should die and that HTC is guilty of false advertising..How does that reflect the playability of the game as it stands now??? Just Curious?
:huh
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Let me see if I understand this- I can't have an opinion, because Shawk doesn't see me on enough in the LWA? WTF is that about?
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Originally posted by Grits
We all opened up shadez accounts and have infiltrated every Mega-skwad to subvert them from within.
I was wondering who LTARgrtz was . . . :(
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Let me see if I understand this- I can't have an opinion, because Shawk doesn't see me on enough in the LWA? WTF is that about?
Hub, your Not a BK anymore and you don't play. But yet you still manage to post at least 100 posts a week about your opinion....A perfect example.
That is unless your actually flying under another one of your 50 different shades accounts. Do you really think anyone cares what you say in here?
I'm doubting it.
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Originally posted by E25280
I was wondering who LTARgrtz was . . . :(
Ha! I would be easy to find, I would be the only LTAR that couldnt hit the side of a hangar with an Osti. :)
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Originally posted by SHawk
Do you really think anyone cares what you say in here?
I'm doubting it.
Just so everyone is clear, the BK's dont care what hub says either.
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Originally posted by Shifty
Why do so many of you guys blame this change on the BK's? The reason the changes were made were quite clearly posted by HT. It had nothing to do with the BK's. It had everything to do with how HT wants to make his business healthier for the future.
Granted it is unfair, but I believe the reason is that #1 before the change, certain members of the BKs were doing their own "whining" that something needed to change and #2 after the change, certain members were denigrating anyone who disapproved. Thus they became the lightening rod. Add on the fact that many of them obviously love to post the BBs as much as fly, and it seems fairly obvious to me why some make the assumption. Wrong as it may be.
Besides, everyone knows Lasz is an employee of HTC. That is the only possible explaination why he has not been PNGed a long time ago.:lol
Originally posted by Shifty
You can still do everything you did before except horde.
People keep saying this, and yet it is the furthest thing from the truth FWIW. The smaller numbers exacerbate the side imbalances. Thus 8 squaddies flying together now constitute a "horde" in some arenas.
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Originally posted by SHawk
Hub, your Not a BK anymore and you don't play. But yet you still manage to post at least 100 posts a week about your opinion....A perfect example.
That is unless your actually flying under another one of your 50 different shades accounts. Do you really think anyone cares what you say in here?
I'm doubting it.
Nothing personal against you or any of your squad, Shawk. You've done some nice things for me, and I appreciate that, I really do. It's not a complete surprise that what you like about the game, and what I like about the game differ, but to say we shouldn't have an opinion simply because we don't log as many hours ingame as you guys... that's just ****ed up. We're customers, you're a customer... we're all profit for HTC. It shouldn't matter all that much who needs or wants more. We all pay the same amount regardless, and we're all entitled to our opinions. Those opinions may vary, but that doesn't make one less than the other.
And yes, I fly under another name these days. I could have gotten one of my "hub" accounts unlocked, but then I'd just have to put up with the same **** ingame that I have to put up with on the boards, so I just got another gameID.
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Originally posted by Quah!
You know all you guys fail to see and realize this why this change is here and most likely permanent.
CT!
Are there squads in CT? No!
Does HT want everyone in the MA? No!
Was the MA total crap? Yep.
Quah, you've been playing for what..1 year mebe, your opinion of the MA is crap is just that.. crap... or i Guess all the oldtimers opinions are wrong and only newbies know what is up
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shawk... I have played more this month than any other in years. many are saying the same.
You appear to be saying that unless you are some pale and pasty guy who lives on line and plays like you do that they have no right to say anything... obviously...
Everyone pays the same amount. I have seen you on line but you really aren't even playing the same game I am... I would be ashamed of myself if I were on as often as you were.
I also feel that the way you play makes it hypocritical for you to judge the way we do since you have no idea what that is about. There are plenty of paying customers who play just as we do.
there are very few who live on line as you do. there are degrees of course... some younger guys and new guys may spend hours at a time on line at times for some "goal" or another. Others are like us and get on for a few hours at night a couple of times a week to have fun and wind down.
I also find it strange that those who cry the most about losing the "massive" on line community are ones who never knew the community past their own nose... 5-6 thousand players and they only ever knew their own squad and some guys in the same chesspeice... like women who can't go to the bathroom without a girlfriend when the dance is full of people.
shawk... there are lots of guys who left that I missed a lot more than I would miss you leaving. They all paid their 15 bucks too. They added more to the game for me than you do. Most squads never added anything to the "community" or gameplay for me and a lot of others... some squads were and are fun.. their guys will switch to even up gameplay and they will fight you. They have been around. they often have guys that have been in several squads before.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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The best part of this game was MA, and the massive multiplayer flavor
Thats also the exact same reason a LOT of people DIDN'T like it
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Originally posted by lazs2
shawk... I have played more this month than any other in years. many are saying the same.
You appear to be saying that unless you are some pale and pasty guy who lives on line and plays like you do that they have no right to say anything... obviously...
Everyone pays the same amount. I have seen you on line but you really aren't even playing the same game I am... I would be ashamed of myself if I were on as often as you were.
I also feel that the way you play makes it hypocritical for you to judge the way we do since you have no idea what that is about. There are plenty of paying customers who play just as we do.
there are very few who live on line as you do. there are degrees of course... some younger guys and new guys may spend hours at a time on line at times for some "goal" or another. Others are like us and get on for a few hours at night a couple of times a week to have fun and wind down.
I also find it strange that those who cry the most about losing the "massive" on line community are ones who never knew the community past their own nose... 5-6 thousand players and they only ever knew their own squad and some guys in the same chesspeice... like women who can't go to the bathroom without a girlfriend when the dance is full of people.
shawk... there are lots of guys who left that I missed a lot more than I would miss you leaving. They all paid their 15 bucks too. They added more to the game for me than you do. Most squads never added anything to the "community" or gameplay for me and a lot of others... some squads were and are fun.. their guys will switch to even up gameplay and they will fight you. They have been around. they often have guys that have been in several squads before.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
1st of all you know very little about me, so don't claim to.
I play approximately 3-4 hr's per day and I DONT live online.
I run my own business, have a family, repair computers on the side and I could hardly do that if I was "Living Here"
Playing the Game is a very small part of why I'm here, Mostly it's for the Freindships of my Squaddies and others "Yes NME too".
I have personally met 30-40 of the players in here and thats without even attending a CON. Can you say the same? Actually I think I've met more Bishops and Knights than my own country mates.
I also noticed that you have 17799 posts in here. I think thats a Record.
Perhaps if you spent less time typing and more time playing you might possibly know what your talking about.
I Don't switch sides because it helps me or my squad. I don't cheat by vulching a second account as many would like to believe and I don't require multiple Shades accounts because I made a ******* of myself using the others and can't back up my "Mouth"
I actually miss seeing the BK's in the MA flying as a squad as they once were. I enjoyed the fights immensly because they were a tough squad to compete against.
Some peeps seem to have a personal vendetta against me because I'm always ranked high and love to hunt me down. Thats the way I like it.
Simply, put the caps at 500 in each arena and see where everyone goes and let the "Players" make their own decisions on where they want to be. I think you'll find that the majority want to be where the most players are. Do it and Prove me wrong.:aok
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Originally posted by SHawk
Simply, put the caps at 500 in each arena and see where everyone goes and let the "Players" make their own decisions on where they want to be. I think you'll find that the majority want to be where the most players are
Right. Moreover, with a good plane set for each arena everyone wont go only in LW.
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so shawk... you don't like it when people generalize about you?
You do realize tho that the hours you play are recorded with all your other stats? "3 or 4 hours a day" is a bunch...
And... I have met a lot more than 40 players here.
Don't worry about the BK's we are doing fine... enjoying the game more than ever.
If you have never switched countries then you can't possibly get a feel for the community. you are kidding yourself. It really is that simple.
I don't know if anyone has a "personal vendetta" against you or not. I personaly couldn't care less about you.. You rank is silly and meaningless to me. All that matters to me about the people here is the content of the fight I am in with them. I have been vultched and I have lost good fights. guess which ones are memerable?
I have 17k posts.. most all in the Oclub... guys are a lot less womanly in there. the posts are simple.... takes me only a few seconds.... they are the accumulation of years. probly takes you longer to read one than it does for me to write one. and..... you seem to read every one on this board.... I don't... I havent read a one for months at a time here...
you probly have more time on these boards than I do... add that to your "3 or 4 hours a day" of playing and......
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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IM sorry but why did it change again? I liked it in the begining, the different rooms where cool, but now im almost forced into LWA to get a fight, unless i feel like milkrunning. It didnt kill the hord and i dont see any improvement in the community. Complaining and kill stealing are up, i closed in on a 110 yesterday i was less then 200 on him, and another friendly cuts right in front of me, then later i attack a lac with another green we were levelboth on his six maybe 100 feet apart side by side, he pings it and dives i sat my guns right on him(the lac wasnt shooting, and what the hell it was a single) i poped it and he starts btichin that i stole his kill, mean well i have riped wings off of spits just to watch them fall and watch greens take passes at him until he hits the ground, i dont say a word. Yea now i have flown with guys i have only fought agaisnt and thats nice, a vacation from nik la7 and spit16 was really nice, but now im forced into the lwa.
If theres goin to be 50 lwa's why bother, now the cap is higher and theres even less in the other rooms, last week i was in mwa, there was 1 rook and 3 nites. Before the prob was the holes in the roster now its just the lack of players in the ewa and mwa. I rather see the old style m/a, but with more of the late war planes perked, or with weekly plane sets, somethin to get more mix of fighters and bombers in there. Shawk got it right, regardless the pplane set people want to be where the numbers are.
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And he has a mullet!
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shawk has a mullet? wait does he drive a iroc or a trans am?
the sad part is that i have a iroc:rofl
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Im giving it a chance but I have to say so far alot of the fun factor just doesnt seem to be there.
Its like the arenas are missing something. That...Thing.
Its hard to place an exact finger on it but something vital just isnt there anymore.
It feels like the game is for lack of a better term Dying. Though my love for it is still strong and I want to play.
but when I get there. reguardless of arena or how full it is
It feels like its missing a certain energy an aura a certain magic it had under the old setup.
Like I said. its hard to place an exact finger on exactly what it is.
Its somethign you more sense and feel. Kinda like when you go to a professional sporting event between two rivals and enter the stadium. You can just FEEL the energy flowing as soon as you enter the seating area
You just dont sense and feel that when you enter the arenas now
Energy, aura, eclectrifying charge. I dont know.
when you entered the MA before you could amost feel the charge int he air. the exitement
It just isnt there under the new setups.
As aggrivating as it was sometimes before.
I liked the old way alot better
This sums up the way i have been feeling...outstanding post!:aok
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Originally posted by Stang
And he has a mullet!
;)
WHO DEY!!
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
"Im giving it a chance but I have to say so far alot of the fun factor just doesnt seem to be there.
Its like the arenas are missing something. That...Thing.
Its hard to place an exact finger on it but something vital just isnt there anymore.
It feels like the game is for lack of a better term Dying. Though my love for it is still strong and I want to play.
but when I get there. reguardless of arena or how full it is
It feels like its missing a certain energy an aura a certain magic it had under the old setup.
Like I said. its hard to place an exact finger on exactly what it is.
Its somethign you more sense and feel. Kinda like when you go to a professional sporting event between two rivals and enter the stadium. You can just FEEL the energy flowing as soon as you enter the seating area
You just dont sense and feel that when you enter the arenas now
Energy, aura, eclectrifying charge. I dont know.
when you entered the MA before you could amost feel the charge int he air. the exitement
It just isnt there under the new setups.
As aggrivating as it was sometimes before.
I liked the old way alot better "
I've been giving it a chance and there are parts I like and parts I don't like. I noticed that the CAP which was originally set at 250 has been lifted to over 300. the Late War arena is much like the old main arena except for this CAP and the spawing thing. I do like and enjoy the plane limits in the Early Arena and Mid-war arena. I think if they just stoped the spawing thing, and opened the Late war arena to as many as wanted to play there, well, everyone would be happy. But perhaps there is a technical reason that they need to set a cap limit . I"m sure that HTC is gearing up for the Holliday season and expectiing many new customers after Christmas. Perhaps this new arena set up is the only way HTC can handle the expected load on the servers. But I agree with Drediock, there does appear to be something missing.
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With the 350 cap the play was far better, could be in TT some then go to another part of the map for flying or helping buddies out. I think we see where alot of us want to play, LA. Both nights its over 3 to 1 for LA. have not tried it during the day yet but will today, I do now believe there is a place for all 3 arenas, EA for newdies to learn in and MA for the ones who don't like my LA's (only A/C I can get a kill in).
I did switch sides for awhile the last two nights and had fun, found that all that play GV's welcome anyone fron the other side and had fun shoot up some of my buddies.
I do think all our post have had effect getting the changes, all of you who have called us cry babies better under stand that change does not happen unless you say something about what you don't like.
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jtdragon: Posting what you dislike, and being a cry baby are miles appart.
And if your realy look at post that are written like cry babies, vs post simply stating that someone dosn't like somthing and why.You can see how they are responded to totaly differently.
Cry babie post, (Basicly they are just flame bate) are either deleted by us, or just ignored.
Post stating I do not like it, and why. Can acctualy be considered.
Take your post,
1. You stated your conclusion.
With the 350 cap the play was far better
2. You listed why you concluded so.
could be in TT some then go to another part of the map for flying or helping buddies out. I think we see where alot of us want to play.
3. You then almost crossed the line with this.
all of you who have called us cry babies better under stand that change does not happen unless you say something about what you don't like.
The problem of "called us" vs "called the people who realy were cry babies" can just begin a flame war.
HiTech
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Will watch myself. Thanks HT