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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Billy Joe Bob on September 29, 2006, 12:39:37 AM
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yes i know i requested this about a year ago. but i have revised the wish.
ok instead of being in a piloted ohka you fly the betty and target a ship in the fleet and release it something like an anti ship cruise missle.
mabye include a way to lock on to ships with a hotkey like tab for planes. we have ack already targeting enemy planes so there is some targeting AI so we could have the same system for the bombs and ships.
*dons flame retardent suit :noid * what do you think of this one?
and please dont let this turn into a flame over the whole kamikazie thing.
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Was it used extensively? Was it effective? Do you have pictures? How do you propse to avoid suiciders? If you can answer all of them with good answers, my vote is yes.
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I don't recall the designation, but the Germans built and deployed a radio-guided anti-ship bomb. No suicide nutbag required.
Go for that idea, and you skip the whole 'kamikaze' issue completely, while getting the same result.
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Well, a lot of people here are for realism, so I would want it radio guided. The issue is how we are going to get two frequencies to intercept over the target. Unless of course we did the "tab" thingy, yet then the CV's would have tags.:(
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My recollection is that the weapon was guided, via radio, by the bombardier using a joystick and visual correction.
If you're referring to the weapon intercepting two convergent radio beacons, I'm not sure that was required for the one I'm thinking of.
Maybe you'd have to switch to 'bomb guidance' (like we now switch to guns) and the bomber would go autopilot while the joystick would then be guiding the bomb. Could even add an (unrealistic) 'bomb view' to make flying it in a little easier...
Or...for those with CH throttles...you could map the mini-stick to fly the bomb.
It would be the way to avoid the lazer-killer ship ack, that's fo' sho'
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Yeah true, the double crossing beacon was actually to tell bombers when they were over their target. They knew then when to drop their bombs. Maybe if the radio signal is shot off like an infared laser from the plane? Because flying the bomb would require another addition to the plane count. Considering your dropping a mannable object from your plane.
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No remote ctrl was used. REAL brave men piloted these for 1-way course...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DKn10wt96kk
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Originally posted by Bogie603rd
Well, a lot of people here are for realism, so I would want it radio guided. The issue is how we are going to get two frequencies to intercept over the target. Unless of course we did the "tab" thingy, yet then the CV's would have tags.:(
Bomb site. Thats it bomb site. :D You might have to guess or figure a way to lock it on but atleast CVs don't have tags
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Originally posted by 1K3
No remote ctrl was used. REAL brave men piloted these for 1-way course...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DKn10wt96kk
Brave? I would use the word fanatical. Either way, they were fighting for a very evil cause. Save your admiration for something more worthy.
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OMFG!!!
YOU DIDNT JUST POST A LINK TO A WEBSITE THE GLORIFIED THE DEATH OF AMERICAN SERVICEMEMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!
WTF IS THAT HORSECRAP!
There was nothing honorable about telling people that they will go to heaven for commiting suicide.
There is nothing honorable about the murder of millions of chinese civilians to further a political cause.
There is nothing honorable about a sneak attack while flying the flag of peace on an american port.
I see nothing honorable about any of these actions.
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Originally posted by skycaptn
OMFG!!!
YOU DIDNT JUST POST A LINK TO A WEBSITE THE GLORIFIED THE DEATH OF AMERICAN SERVICEMEMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!
WTF IS THAT HORSECRAP!
There was nothing honorable about telling people that they will go to heaven for commiting suicide.
There is nothing honorable about the murder of millions of chinese civilians to further a political cause.
There is nothing honorable about a sneak attack while flying the flag of peace on an american port.
I see nothing honorable about any of these actions.
Sheesh you guys calm down. He posted a damn cartoon already.
Back on subject BJB no telling if HT would go for a suicide weapon or not. Plus adding a radio guided weapon may cause more grief then needed. Just my 2 cents.:)
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no need to throw a hissy fit because of some silly anime (err cartoon) :)
That was just a clip from a short movie "Sonic Boom Squadron" by Reiji Matsumoto (anyone remember "Starblazers" from the late '70s to early 80s? he created that)
part 1/3 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=krL4YWE2DXg)
part 2/3 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=bhKeR8a8li4)
part 3/3 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=wZw4qiF5ytk)
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Originally posted by skycaptn
OMFG!!!
YOU DIDNT JUST POST A LINK TO A WEBSITE THE GLORIFIED THE DEATH OF AMERICAN SERVICEMEMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!
WTF IS THAT HORSECRAP!
There was nothing honorable about telling people that they will go to heaven for commiting suicide.
There is nothing honorable about the murder of millions of chinese civilians to further a political cause.
There is nothing honorable about a sneak attack while flying the flag of peace on an american port.
I see nothing honorable about any of these actions.
Prozac anyone? Anyway, I wouldnt exactly call it gloryfiying, seeing as the Americans where the only ones who looked human. The Japanese seemed to be suffering from verying degress of Elephantitus.
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IK3, the thing is, anime was created by the Japanese, seeing a film of anime glorifying what the japanese Kamikaze pilots did is telling you that the Japanese were blind-sighted by the government that this was an act of bravery that would earn them a trip to heaven. It IS gloifying the death of americans, that's just their religion. Shintoism is a religion where an emperor rules over you to help "aid" your decisions. If he says America is evil, they will glorify what their service members did to kill as many americans as possible.
So, thanks to that, I won't be visitng your arenas.
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Originally posted by Bogie603rd
IK3, the thing is, anime was created by the Japanese, seeing a film of anime glorifying what the japanese Kamikaze pilots did is telling you that the Japanese were blind-sighted by the government that this was an act of bravery that would earn them a trip to heaven. It IS gloifying the death of americans, that's just their religion. Shintoism is a religion where an emperor rules over you to help "aid" your decisions. If he says America is evil, they will glorify what their service members did to kill as many americans as possible.
So, thanks to that, I won't be visitng your arenas.
Using this reasoning everytime you shoot down an American plane in AH you're glorifying killing Americans. You guys need to lighten up. There is a huge difference between cartoons, games , and real life. Take it to Opra , or the O club.
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Hello, didn't I just explain that anime is the depiction of reality to the Japanese? May not have used the same context, yet Anime is an animated effort of explaining emotions which the Japanese use. That anime film was expressing the emotion of sacrifice to kill as many americans as you can.
I never said anything about Aces High having anything to do with this.
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Originally posted by Bogie603rd
Hello, didn't I just explain that anime is the depiction of reality to the Japanese? May not have used the same context, yet Anime is an animated effort of explaining emotions which the Japanese use. That anime film was expressing the emotion of sacrifice to kill as many americans as you can.
I never said anything about Aces High having anything to do with this.
No, you didn't explain squat. You gave gave your opinon. Which does not speak for the Japanese as a nation. Using your theory they also glorify snot bubbles, singing midgets, talking flowers , and people that can jump 4 miles in one hop.
You're talking about cartoons , not a government sanctioned political statement. However if it comforts you to be insulted by a cartoon. Enjoy yourself.
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Originally posted by Bogie603rd
IK3, the thing is, anime was created by the Japanese, seeing a film of anime glorifying what the japanese Kamikaze pilots did is telling you that the Japanese were blind-sighted by the government that this was an act of bravery that would earn them a trip to heaven. It IS gloifying the death of americans, that's just their religion. Shintoism is a religion where an emperor rules over you to help "aid" your decisions. If he says America is evil, they will glorify what their service members did to kill as many americans as possible.
So, thanks to that, I won't be visitng your arenas.
I guess it's the music video teaser that left a bad taste (good music+video editing but yeah 1st time I saw it I was like W-T-F is that.....)
As for Glorifying American deaths... I did not see any (that's if you watched the WHOLE 30 mins of that movie I posted above). It was more like "war is terrible and wars like these should not happen again etc etc etc" films. However the film is very sympathetic to the Kamazake pilot (notes at the Ohka pilot's portrait of his fiance).
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1K3, I had the volume at 0%, I don't like listening to things I can't understand.
Originally posted by Shifty
No, you didn't explain squat. You gave gave your opinon. Which does not speak for the Japanese as a nation. Using your theory they also glorify snot bubbles, singing midgets, talking flowers , and people that can jump 4 miles in one hop.
Of course I was giving my opinion, I was also stating fact that their religion is shintoism. I never said anything about "snot bubbles", "singing midgets", "talking flowers" (Although they do believe there is life in everything), or "people who jumo 4 miles in one hop". It seems you got out on the wrong side of your bed this morning, for merely if you were truly flying the english battle-flag under your alias, you would agree that the Japanese would stop at nothing to kill in WWII.
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Originally posted by Shifty
Using your theory they also glorify snot bubbles, singing midgets, talking flowers , and people that can jump 4 miles in one hop.
You're talking about cartoons , not a government sanctioned political statement. However if it comforts you to be insulted by a cartoon. Enjoy yourself.
Ask any serviceman still living what he thinks about that cartoon. The actions favorably portrayed are that of a man about to kill for an evil cause. When people admiringly post about how "brave" they were, I recoil in disgust. I suppose you'd also call suicide bombers "brave" when they detonate their fell packages in cafes? Agh! I tire with reasoning with you.
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Ask any serviceman still living what he thinks about that cartoon. The actions favorably portrayed are that of a man about to kill for an evil cause. When people admiringly post about how "brave" they were, I recoil in disgust. I suppose you'd also call suicide bombers "brave" when they detonate their fell packages in cafes? Agh! I tire with reasoning with you.
Glad you asked . I am an ex US serviceman. Also I have two sons in the US Army . One happens to be home on leave , before he ships off to his second tour in Iraq in a couple of weeks with the 1st Cav Division.
His only comment on it was "LOL Why does everybody but the main charecter look like an ape?" He also agrees it's just a cartoon. Then again he has been in the real thing.
I never said anything about the pilots being brave that was somebody else.
I've lived through both of my sons doing tours in Iraq. Thomas who is the one at home now on leave was wounded in March 2004 by morter fire. Now I get to see him off for another tour. So no I don't get worried about stupid a** cartoons. I'd also like to shove your teeth down your pompass throat for implying that I would have anything positive to say about a suicide bomber. You're the one thats not being reasonable, hell you're not even being realistic. Like I said go on and enjoy geting bent out of shape over a cartoon , that's probably all you can handle.
:lol
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If you ask me I think it's you getting bent out of shape, we're talking about asking any WWII veteran what they think about it, especially Navy Pilots who served in the Pacific Theater. They wouldn't appreciate that scene at all. Besides, we're voicing our opinion on why we think this is not bravery, but instead is glorifying the death of Americans. Seriously, smashing into a navy ship in attempt to kill as many americans as you can is not an act of "bravery", its mere last chances for an enemy that will stop at nothing to destroy human lives.
And that's the exact message we're trying to convey about this small scene. Even if the entire episode is "anti-war", this scene didn't have the same effect as the rest of the film. And I would not consider it an act of bravery!
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Originally posted by Denholm
If you ask me I think it's you getting bent out of shape, we're talking about asking any WWII veteran what they think about it, especially Navy Pilots who served in the Pacific Theater. They wouldn't appreciate that scene at all. Besides, we're voicing our opinion on why we think this is not bravery, but instead is glorifying the death of Americans. Seriously, smashing into a navy ship in attempt to kill as many americans as you can is not an act of "bravery", its mere last chances for an enemy that will stop at nothing to destroy human lives.
And that's the exact message we're trying to convey about this small scene. Even if the entire episode is "anti-war", this scene didn't have the same effect as the rest of the film. And I would not consider it an act of bravery!
I still don't see where I posted anything about the bravery of Japanese kamakaze pilots . Especially cartoon ones. I also don't see where I've been bent out of shape. I have been accused of being sympathtic to suicide bombers from people on your side of the arguement . Just because I think it's silly to go nuts over a cartoon? Nice touch from you level headed types.:aok
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Originally posted by Denholm
we're talking about asking any WWII veteran what they think about it, especially Navy Pilots who served in the Pacific Theater. They wouldn't appreciate that scene at all.
You are correct. They are precisely who I was talking about when I said "any serviceman still living." Shifty, you and your sons apparently cannot relate to something that happened before you were born. A modern day analogy might be a cartoon sympathizing with suicide bombers about to fly an airliner into a building, or an Iraqi militant about to detonate a jacket bomb at a checkpoint. Get why we're "overreacting?"
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dear god what have i done!??!
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
You are correct. They are precisely who I was talking about when I said "any serviceman still living." Shifty, you and your sons apparently cannot relate to something that happened before you were born. A modern day analogy might be a cartoon sympathizing with suicide bombers about to fly an airliner into a building, or an Iraqi militant about to detonate a jacket bomb at a checkpoint. Get why we're "overreacting?"
Any serviceman still living is a pretty broad brush to use. If you meant WWII servicemen,, why didn't you say so? Do you speak for all WWII servicemen? Did you fight in WWII? Is that how you're so knowledgable about how Vets feel? Or did you just shoot from the hip like when you accused me of being sympathtic towards modern suicide bombers?
How do you know how much I relate to things that happened in WWII? How do you know how much my sons relate? Does the fact that a cartoon angers you, give you the right to question my patriotism?
The truth is you don't know jack except that you don't like certain cartoon. Other then that you're just making assumptions about me , and other people you don't know at all.
Again.......... Where did I show any praise or respect for Kamikaze pilots, or the damn cartoon? What post did I make that gave you reason to accuse me of being a fan of suicide bombers?
No I don't know why your overreacting the way you are. Yes by all means recoil in disgust all you want. When your done there's a real world out there with plenty of real problems to raise hell about.
Shifty Out
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Amusing.
Being a conscript soldier who doesn't really understand what the war is about, the majority of Japanese soldiers in the war knew little more than that his own country was at war. They were young men, not unlike any other, who just happened to be born at a country that was an Axis power at the time, and had been fed with war-time propaganda like ANY nation had done during the war. As conscripted soldiers, they earnestly believed their own nation was in trouble, and did what they had to do.
But being born on this side of the Pacific, an Axis-Japanese soldier, makes their personal efforts of bravery and valor unworthy of respect?
What makes you think your own American movie depictions of SBD divebombers or TBM Avengers busting the hell out every Japanese naval vessel in the sea, is emotionally any different from that animation film?
Do you ever raise questions when your own films depict massive destructions of Axis soldiers in battle? How the ex-Axis militarymen would emotionally feel, or would ever appreciate such massacres being depicted?
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If there is anything to be criticized from that animation film, it is to be done on grounds of political correctness. In that film, "Cockpit", director Matsumoto's depictions of an individual pilot's emotional distress touches dangerous grounds, since the notion of the 'kamikaze' itself is already highly controversial. Does that film purposely intend on glorifying the old Japanese militaristic attitude? I don't think so. But it does have certain dangers as his aesthetics insist on portraying each deaths as purely heroic and self-sacrificing.
However, once you people start making this personal, objectivity is thrown out the window. Civilians and soldiers on this side of the Pacific suffered everybit as as much as your own servicemen and civilians did. They both did what they had to do. On answering the call of duty they were required to go out there and kill enemies with any means possible. That's what you call a "WAR". Those things happen in wars. That's why people should hate wars, remember?
If being "personally offensive" is reason enough to put down a certain version of protrayed history, then there are a lot of people still alive today who'd not exactly 'appreciate' what the American soldiers did during those years, or how Hollywood loves to capture spectacular scenes of Japanese soldiers being blown to bits, as well.
So keep the 'personally offensive to ex-servicemen' criteria out of this. It's a dead end for conversation.
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Bogeys got a point about Shintoism. They were evil little bastards back then. Ate people you know? But I dont find that movie particularly offensive.
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i knew that this was going to turn into a kamikazie war! Skuzzy is going to magicly whisk this thread away if this keeps up!:noid
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Well said, Kweassa.
Kamikaze pilots were almost all conscripted and scared teenagers. Politics aside, how such kids found ways to muster the courage to climb into the cockpit and not collapse in a whimpering heap when their time came is also a part of the theme.
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LOCK THIS PROPAGANDA PIECE OF CRAP SKUZZY
Plz dont let this monster get away with glorifying the deaths of american service members anymore.
I know im not the only one here who is loosing friends to a group of people that in 40 years someone will explain away as "innocent young children convinced to commit attrocities by a political group"
THIS IS NOTHING LESS THAN HORSE CRAP.
anything designed glorify the massicre of american servicemembers (or the suicide of a human being) is wrong please lock this thread.
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Ohka bombs (large japanese piloted missles) were barely ever used in service during WW2. We will never ever see them
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I have "The Cockpit" series on VHS (english dubbed). Out of print :(
The Cockpit series is 3 episodes. The one that 1k3 posted is the 1st episode (Sonic Boom Squadron)
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Ohka bombs (large japanese piloted missles) were barely ever used in service during WW2. We will never ever see them
this was all i was asking for not 40 posts of ZOMG kamikazie! and dude lighten up, its a cartoon
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I have more information on them here in one of my recently found books if you would be interested in hearing about it
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OMFG Meatwad?!? Why you change your avatar?!? Your old one was WAY better!
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I got bored and changed it the other day. That is meatwad's imaginary friend, Boxy Brown
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I liked meatwad better. This new one seems to dark and depressing :(
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Probabally cause lately I been depressed :D
Oh wait......
:cry
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Do not like new avatar. Put old MA.. I mean avatar back.
Do it now.
Oh and a few of you guys here need to
(http://teamfrancis.emrydesign.com/francis.jpg)
LIGHTEN UP, FRANCIS.