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Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: hitech on September 29, 2006, 02:17:11 PM
We have a new concept on how to divide 2 idential arenas that will alow a squads to fly to gether if it wishes. But the new method will not work as well as we desire untill our customer base grows a little more. At that time we will be implenting the new system.

So untill that time, we will be raising the cap on the LW arena to 350, and posibly some what higher before we implement the new system.

Along with the changes we will be disableing the ENY in the EW and MW areans, if long term country inbalances arise , we will reevaluate the use of ENY in those arenas.


HiTech
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Furball on September 29, 2006, 02:17:54 PM
yay
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Donzo on September 29, 2006, 02:19:47 PM
:O
Title: Re: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Donzo on September 29, 2006, 02:21:41 PM
Quote
Originally posted by hitech
We have a new concept on how to divide 2 idential arenas that will alow a squads to fly to gether if it wishes. But the new method will not work as well as we desire untill our customer base grows a little more. At that time we will be implenting the new system.

HiTech


How many more people do I need to go out and get signed up to get the customer base to where it needs to be?
Title: Sorry HITECH,
Post by: Jolly on September 29, 2006, 02:22:53 PM
So sorry HITECH, to little, to late, with a might happen on top.

To much like THE CHECK IS IN THE MAIL and why post this change?

You sure as heck did not post anything about the last change!

Jolly
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: hitech on September 29, 2006, 02:25:18 PM
We did this change exatly like the other, post and change happen at the same time.

And I am clueless as to what else you are trying to say in your post.

HiTech
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: DadRabit on September 29, 2006, 02:40:39 PM
can you put the large maps back into the rotation?
Title: Re: Sorry HITECH,
Post by: jpeg on September 29, 2006, 02:42:16 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Jolly
So sorry HITECH, to little, to late, with a might happen on top.

To much like THE CHECK IS IN THE MAIL and why post this change?

You sure as heck did not post anything about the last change!

Jolly


It is "too" not to, why is it so hard to push the o key one more time?!?
Title: Re: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: jpeg on September 29, 2006, 02:43:41 PM
Quote
Originally posted by hitech
We have a new concept on how to divide 2 idential arenas that will alow a squads to fly to gether if it wishes. But the new method will not work as well as we desire untill our customer base grows a little more. At that time we will be implenting the new system.

So untill that time, we will be raising the cap on the LW arena to 350, and posibly some what higher before we implement the new system.

Along with the changes we will be disableing the ENY in the EW and MW areans, if long term country inbalances arise , we will reevaluate the use of ENY in those arenas.


HiTech


Thanks, at least this is something a little better than what we had.

Still would prefer one arena though.
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Warspawn on September 29, 2006, 02:54:01 PM
Omg...

Here I was checking in here to see what this new Late War Spitfire was, and when it was actually going to be available..


"SPLIT"  yeah...got it!!

Good move here, I had to wait for an opening in the main LW arena more than once, where my squad was flying for the week...
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: stephen on September 29, 2006, 02:58:49 PM
get over it, people spell any dang way you want, shorthand is the future,get used to it.,

HT thanx for the prompt fix in LW.....more people equals a better time I hope.:aok
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Benny Moore on September 29, 2006, 03:35:27 PM
It's called "newspeak."
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: NCLawman on September 29, 2006, 03:48:34 PM
Thank you HTC for listening.  I am sure the new cap limits will help.  I look forward to the future changes as well.
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: gatt on September 29, 2006, 03:54:27 PM
Thanks for trying.
Title: Re: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: smash on September 29, 2006, 04:07:38 PM
Cool.... hope to get some time in this weekend to see how it goes.
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Stang on September 29, 2006, 04:12:28 PM
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Post by: Mugzeee on September 29, 2006, 04:16:10 PM
Thanks a bunch HT.
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: ghi on September 29, 2006, 04:16:38 PM
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Originally posted by Stang
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 buhaha:rofl :rofl
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: ghi on September 29, 2006, 04:22:21 PM
honestly, imop MA was all about this game , that reached the climax 3-4 weeks ago, with 600+players online every evenings and about 300+players in Fighter Town on doughnut map,

   That was fun !:)
now is memories:cry
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: 1ijac on September 29, 2006, 04:24:48 PM
TY HiTech for implementing some change.

one-eye
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Yeager on September 29, 2006, 04:25:01 PM
why not just live with the overcrowding and go back to MAs with all planes enabled, no holds barred?
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Tilt on September 29, 2006, 05:31:58 PM
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Originally posted by Yeager
why not just live with the overcrowding and go back to MAs with all planes enabled, no holds barred?


Well HT is trying to improve his product...................... .  he believes that overcrowding is hurting his product............... soooooooooooo
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: FALCONWING on September 29, 2006, 05:33:34 PM
Thanks Hitech!:aok
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Raptor on September 29, 2006, 05:37:44 PM
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Originally posted by Warspawn
Omg...

Here I was checking in here to see what this new Late War Spitfire was, and when it was actually going to be available..


"SPLIT"  yeah...got it!!

I did the same thing:lol
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Hammy on September 29, 2006, 05:58:05 PM
See Rules #2, #4
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: xNOVAx on September 29, 2006, 06:28:03 PM
Thanks HiTech..
Title: Re: Sorry HITECH,
Post by: Masherbrum on September 29, 2006, 06:35:04 PM
Deleted - Don't antagonize people.
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: SKJohn on September 29, 2006, 06:51:27 PM
No more ENY in the EW arena? YEAH!  Now you don't have to up a B5N to fight a Hurri 2C or Spit V!!!

I think this and raising the LW number cap is defintely amove in the right (as in correct or best, not the opposite of left) direction!:aok
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Roscoroo on September 29, 2006, 07:24:28 PM
<--ive got a spit5 woodie :D

(hmmm wonder if Hitech told them about the no HO EW setting ?)  :noid
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Toad on September 29, 2006, 07:35:38 PM
HT, all due respect sir, I have a question.

First a bit of data:

These are the top speeds and max rate of climbs of the EW planeset. I took these off the AH charts and didn't use a micrometer. I just made an honest try at identifying the data there. I gave things the benefit of the doubt and usually rounded up a bit if it were a close call. Speeds/Rates are at 10k, which is usually a bit high for EW fights. WEP numbers are used for planes that have WEP.

  • Aircraft      Top Speed      Climb Rate
  • B5N2      220      1400
  • C-47      220      1000
  • Ju-87-D-3   230      1200
  • D3A1      240      2200
  • SBD-5      250      1400
  • TBM-3      255      900
  • Lancaster III   265      700
  • Ju-88-A-4   275      1200
  • F4F-4      305      2200
  • Hurri Mk I   305      2500
  • A6M2      310      2500
  • Hurri Mk IIC   315      2600
  • P-40B      320      2300
  • Bf-110C-4b   325      2700
  • Boston III   330      1900
  • Bf-109E-4   335      3100
  • P-40E      335      2100
  • Spit I      335      2700
  • Spit V      345      3200
  • C-202      350      3600
  • P-38G      360      2800
  • Bf-109F-4   365      3900
  • Spit IX      365      3700
  • Fw-190A-5   370      2900


Looking at the last six aircraft, these planes can do between 345 and 370 which is very fast compared to the rest of the planeset here. Not coincidentally their climbrates from 2900 up to 3900 fpm are all very good for the planeset.

Now let's add the "first combat" dates:

  • Spit V 4/41      345      3200
  • C-202 11/41      350      3600
  • P-38G 11/42      360      2800
  • Bf-109F-4 6/41                   365      3900
  • Spit IX   7/42                   365      3700
  • Fw-190A-5 2/43                   370      2900


Clearly the Spit V, C-202, Bf-109F-4 are early war. They are all 1941 aircraft.

While the C-202 has impressive speed and climb that is significantly mitigated by its well below average gun package.

The Bf-109F-4 similarly shows good speed and climb but its gun package mitigates much of that as well.

These two, despite high top speed and excellent climb do not dominate the fight because of the gun packages.

The Spit V is also clearly early war has good speed, good climb and pretty good guns. It doesn't totally dominate either but the gun package makes it extremely popular and extremely common to find in the fights. As a result, because of it's overall very good performance and guns, I would perk this aircraft to promote diversity in the arena.

The P-38G with an 11/42 introduction has great speed but a pretty much average climb with a good gun package. It doesn't dominate the arena but a well-flown P-38 using E tactics is pretty safe in the EW arena. IMO, this aircraft fits well in the MW arena but is a bit out of place in the EW due to the high top speed and good guns. Still, it would be a close call EW/MW.

The Spit IX with a 7/42 introduction is closer in time to the EW aircraft but it really is a MW aircraft considering performance and guns. It has excellent speed, amazing climb and guns. I think it clearly should be in the MW arena with other similar aircraft.

The Fw-190A-5 has a clear MW introduction date of 2/43. It is the fastest plane in EW but it's climb rate is only good, not amazing. It's gun package, with the 4x20mm is significantly better than most of the EW planeset. Even with 2X20mm it has slightly above average guns. This plane, even more than the P-38G, can be untouchable using E tactics against EW aircraft. I think it should clearly be in the MW arena.

Lastly, the Hurricane IIC; clearly an EW aircraft by introduction date, and average in speed and climb, it's gun package is awesome. Unfortunately, this makes it the La-7 of the EW arena. I would perk this aircraft highly to promote diversity and ACM tactics.

Now, the above data and opinions lead to the following question:

Would you consider moving the P-38G, Spit IX and Fw-1190A-5 out of the EW and into the MW?

Futher, would you consider perking the Spit V lightly and the Hurri IIC rather heavily to promote diversity in the EW arena?

I think these moves would make the EW a better arena, more in tune with the spirit of EW air combat.

Thank you for you consideration and time.
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: richard_rd on September 29, 2006, 07:46:13 PM
Toad, i agree with your statements 100%, good job!!!!!
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Baine on September 29, 2006, 07:53:49 PM
TY for the changes. (And BTW, the F4U looks cool).
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Rocket on September 29, 2006, 07:53:59 PM
Toad,

    I concur 100%.  

    Also very nicely made post with well thought out information posted in a format that even I can read and make sense out of.  


S!
Rocket
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: jhookt on September 29, 2006, 08:16:44 PM
after reading thru toads post twice to make sure i understood what he was saying i noticed his sig and returned to square 1
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Toad on September 29, 2006, 08:24:53 PM
Quote
Originally posted by jhookt
after reading thru toads post twice to make sure i understood what he was saying i noticed his sig and returned to square 1


Fly what you like...just fly it in the proper arena.  ;)

I may have to update my sig now that we have choice of time periods.
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Overlag on September 29, 2006, 08:31:46 PM
nice U turn :aok :p


thanks HT :O
Title: Re: Re: Sorry HITECH,
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 29, 2006, 08:48:04 PM
Quote
Originally posted by jpeg
It is "too" not to, why is it so hard to push the o key one more time?!?


Imagine that. a New Yorker complaining about how people talk ;)

:rofl
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: 4510 on September 29, 2006, 09:41:59 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Toad
HT, all due respect sir, I have a question.

First a bit of data:




Now, the above data and opinions lead to the following question:

Would you consider moving the P-38G, Spit IX and Fw-1190A-5 out of the EW and into the MW?

Futher, would you consider perking the Spit V lightly and the Hurri IIC rather heavily to promote diversity in the EW arena?

I think these moves would make the EW a better arena, more in tune with the spirit of EW air combat.

Thank you for you consideration and time.



With a signature of...

Toad
13th TAS
No Mercy Asked....None Given!

Fly what you like. Like what you fly. Don't worry about what the other guy flies. It's a game.

Why does your signature seem so at odds with your request?
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Toad on September 29, 2006, 09:47:57 PM
My request is for a reasonably balanced arena, one that promotes the style of fighting prevalent during the stage of the war the particular arena represents.

Not a very difficult concept is it? Early War planes in an Early War arena? Sort of makes sense, don't you think?


As for the sig, I probably ought to change it and I probably will. I think I've had that one since the early part of beta almost.

That was written way back in the days when guys played this game to fight. Didn't matter to me what you flew as long as you were there for the fight.

It's not as applicable in these days of guys that play to avoid the fight.
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: 68slayr on September 29, 2006, 09:53:00 PM
i like the ENY thing in EW/MW.....woudl there be a way to do this inLATE2?  I was flying a 262 that costed me 8 perks today.  ENY....21.38:rolleyes:

it was
knights:1(me)
Bishops: 2
rooks:13
I'm not complaning bout the ENY today.  (i like flyin 262s vs P40bs..a6m2s..C202s spit1s and hurri1s) but i have had the same thing happen to me.

Any way to fix it?
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: 4510 on September 29, 2006, 09:59:19 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Toad
My request is for a reasonably balanced arena, one that promotes the style of fighting prevalent during the stage of the war the particular arena represents.

Not a very difficult concept is it? Early War planes in an Early War arena? Sort of makes sense, don't you think?


As for the sig, I probably ought to change it and I probably will. I think I've had that one since the early part of beta almost.

That was written way back in the days when guys played this game to fight. Didn't matter to me what you flew as long as you were there for the fight.

It's not as applicable in these days of guys that play to avoid the fight.


Or when the complaints about plane types didn't match your opinion the signature was valid, but now that the shoe is in the other cockpit it's different?

As for the time of war that you speak to, are you saying that early war saw massive furballs that went all the way to the deck?  That pilots fought with the obvious abandon that is displayed by the turn and burn, grab a new plane when you are shot down crowd?  I'd be interested in your historical sources that support that.

I think I understand the style of play that you want, but I don't agree with the method to legislate that type of play for everyone else.
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Oldman731 on September 29, 2006, 10:14:01 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Toad
Would you consider moving the P-38G, Spit IX and Fw-1190A-5 out of the EW and into the MW?

Futher, would you consider perking the Spit V lightly and the Hurri IIC rather heavily to promote diversity in the EW arena?

These are excellent suggestions.

- oldman
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Toad on September 29, 2006, 10:22:41 PM
No, try to twist it as you will; it's a simple concept and your twists simply make you look foolish.

I flew from Beta on up to the recently deceased MA with that sig. What others flew in there didn't bother me. All planes were available from all periods of the war; that's the way it was and I had no problem with it.

Now try to follow this concept:

For reasons of his own, HT divided the single arena into three arenas each representing a particular period of WW2.

These are called Early War, Mid War and Late War.

Following so far?

What I have posted here is my opinion and reasoning on the planeset in the EW arena. I believe 3 of the aircraft are misplaced and should correctly be placed in the MW arena.

Even if those aircraft remain in the EW I will continue to fly there. It won't bother me if someone flies a 190 but I will still think two things:

1. The Fw-190A-5 should really be in the MW, (along with the Spit IX and the P-38G. The arena would have much better balance without them.)

2. Someone flying those planes really isn't in tune with the period the EW represents.

Now, here's a concept...why don't YOU try discussing what I posted instead of my sig?

Or are you totally bereft of the ability to carry on an on-topic discussion?
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: 4510 on September 29, 2006, 10:46:39 PM
I have no problem with discussing the content of your posts.

I'm not the one with a signature line that apparently is inconsistent with your current position, nor am I the only one who noticed the irony of it.
So I don't feel foolish at all.  I wouldn't want to be on your end of that argument tho.

I've neither agreed nor disagreed with your plane choices.  A leveling of the plane set in any arena is always worthy of discussion.  If you look at my two previous posts, they addressed your signature and your method of trying to legislate a STYLE of flying that you seem to feel represents the early war period.  

I'm not sure how you honestly can defend what your signature says and that of your current position and it is really irrelevant.  I'm not really interested in that per se.  However, I am interested in how you support your argument that points to a style of fighting that you seem to prefer.  My obvious assumption is that it involves a lot more turn fighting, which inevitably leads to a massive furball on the deck.  You allude to that style being prevalent for the period and I don't believe there are adequate historical references to support that position.

Now, if your position is just your opinion based upon what type of flying you WANT to see in the EW, every one is certainly entitled to that.
Whether I agree or not would of course be my prerogative.

I'm open to your thoughts, but I don't need you to tell me how I look, ask if I can follow, or question whether I can remain on topic.
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Roscoroo on September 29, 2006, 10:48:46 PM
i "disagree" w/ Toad also .

for now til we get more early planes  those 3 arnt that much of a problem, they help keep the  Hohurri's in line ..

perk the spit 5 you gotta be kidding me ... why dont ya just ask for them to perk the whole planeset and scare all the newb's off .  

by  perking more of  the current rides in EW you may as well just close the arena  . IMRO

if they really go towards Toads direction ... then it would be best to toss the 3 countrys and go to 5 countrys and enable the planes in that catagory ...
(oh wait we have alled vs axis already)
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: hubsonfire on September 30, 2006, 12:14:41 AM
Toad's not the only person suggesting the Hurri be perked. The EW does lose some of it's charm when every other plane is a C Hurri, but I guess I was used to seeing only 4 plane types in the MA with everything enabled, so it's not that odd for me.
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: FiLtH on September 30, 2006, 12:18:43 AM
Good news!
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Rolex on September 30, 2006, 12:27:25 AM
There's merit in Toad's idea. Kudos for posting it and in the way it was presented - logically and supported with his reasoning. There is a lesson in that.

I'm going to run with his idea (and what I believe is his basis for it - a fun and fair air-combat arena) and expand on it. Apologies in advance, Toad.

Let's start with a clean piece of paper and no pre-conceptions except these:

1. Gameplay fun is paramount.
2, Player preferences are many.
3. We all have an interest in a thriving HTC, unless you want to back to, or to, Brand WB or Brand FA. I'll say, "No thanks," to those options since I've been there and done that.

So here's a new 3-ring circus idea. Please read through it before you begin attacking my signature...

EW arena becomes the Early Air-Combat Arena. Subitled: "Men and Machines"

The arena attributes are:

- A plane set similar to what Toad posted. Opportunities for HTC to fill the plane set with interesting new aircraft that would not be used much, or competitive, in the old MA format.
- Perks for this arena are earned and spent only in this arena.
- Bombers, gvs, troops and ordnance are disabled.
- Field ack is turned up to maximum lethality to encourage air-to-air combat, not air-to-not-quite-in-the-air-yet combat.
- Maps with 0.0, 5.0 and 8.0 alt bases for higher fights. Sea level and mountainous terrains.
- Only 2 countries, but both have access to all planes, instead of AvA arena. This creates more fights and improves the off-peak gameplay. "Loyalty" to country has less meaning since no war is won.
- For those inclined, your incentive is to become "King of the Hill." Rank for the arena is fighter rank only. No perceived gaming of score.
- ENY side balancing would be in effect.


The MW arena becomes the Air Combat Arena. Subtitled: "Machines and Men"

The arena attributes are exactly the same (including scoring, sides, etc.. everything) as EAC except:

- A rolling plane set starting at current Mid War.

I never thought the rolling plane set was a bad idea. I liked it and it kept things from getting stale.

The squads that like to fly late-war aircraft have a chance to participate in pure A2A scenarios, and again, off-peak gameplay is improved.

The LW arena becomes the Strategic War Arena. Same as current LW setup except:

- Perks earned here are spent here only.
- Mid-size maps with more difficult capture requirements and more bombing/gv targets (i.e. 2-3 towns per field to be destroyed and 2-3 sets of troops to capture it.) Reduces the single-player captures of undefended fields and concentrates fights. I'm sure others have better ideas about this arena.
-----------------------------------------------------------

Well, there's another idea thrown onto the fire. My signature awaits your attack. ;)
Title: Re: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: ghi on September 30, 2006, 12:37:36 AM
Quote
Originally posted by hitech


So untill that time, we will be raising the cap on the LW arena to 350, and posibly some what higher before we implement the new system.



HiTech


Was something  changed  in servers,  internet bandwidth or something ?!
I ussed to get over 80 fps on ground view mode , and higher on full view with same sistem/conection in old MA, with 600+players online, now i get 40-60 fps, in arena with 100-200 players,
and is not only me, cuz i asked the other players, they have same symthoms
 Why this lag?! this evening after clicking " end flight" in tower i could still hear the voices of the players that were around me before ending flight ,was about 8-10 seconds delay in voice:(
Title: While I do see
Post by: rshubert on September 30, 2006, 01:15:45 AM
the 190-A5 and P-38G and Spit IX as maybe a bit of a stretch for "early war" planes, I don't have much trouble with them tactically, and I don't think they unbalance the EW arena.  This opinion is subject to change, however, based on planeset.

What we need is more early planes for the EW arena.  We need a couple more italian birds, we need some (gasp) french stuff (dewoitine 520 would be interesting) and maybe a MiG 3 and a Rata for the Russian side, and...

the P-39!!!!

But when did we get the last truly new plane?  I mean, one that wasn't a rework of an existing model?  Was it really two years ago?
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: hubsonfire on September 30, 2006, 01:58:59 AM
Hmmm, B-24, or the Ki-84? That's been a while ago. I personally would like to see a lot of oddball rides modelled, but I don't think we'd see any more variety than we saw in the old MA. Many people, for whatever reasons (another discussion entirely) gravitate toward what they believe are the "uber" birds.

The more I think about this, the more I think that perking only results in more timidity, and more vulching/picking, and less actual engagements with airborne cons. Look at the 38s, 190s, and IXs. Half of my time this month (roughly 15 hours?) is in the EW exclusively. I've seen 1 of each actually engage another airborne plane in even odds since the change. The rest of the time... vulching, or cherrying 3 to 1 fights (actually, only
 twice picking. The rest were  all just vulching). I don't believe the goal of perking planes is to encourage that type of thing, but rather to limit  the numbers of such planes. It's a tough call. The end of ENY limits means a chance to earn ridiculous amounts of perks, so maybe those tactics will fade out after a bit.

And of course, a gratuitous plug for the P 39, on general principle. :aok
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Waffle on September 30, 2006, 02:47:26 AM
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Half of my time this month (roughly 15 hours?) is in the EW exclusively.  



May I point you to this thread...  (BTW: it took me searching through 11 pages ((within 17 days)) of post by you to find this one......)

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=186093


Dude - if you're gonna quit...quit...dont drag it out....lol :)
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: volvo744 on September 30, 2006, 06:21:00 AM
I can't believe Toads' sig derailed the entire thread. :lol
My .02-way to go on upping arenas to 350. Now there are more people to shoot me down. I like variety. I do agree with Toad, and his well thought out dissertation on the subject. And I agree the IIC has become the LA7 of EW, and have stated that more than once. They're like fleas in EW some of the time. Harder to duck the HO 'cause they move so slow, too.
I am okay with the arenas, still get overpopulated in LW, MW is my favorite because of planeset and Panzer. I despise driving the T-34. No pintle. :D
HiTech. Continuous improvement is where it's at. AH goes lean.

Bob
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Toad on September 30, 2006, 06:43:42 AM
Quote
Originally posted by 4510
I have no problem with discussing the content of your posts.



But apparently you are unable to do so.

Cya.
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Toad on September 30, 2006, 06:47:16 AM
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Originally posted by Rolex
Well, there's another idea thrown onto the fire. My signature awaits your attack. ;)


:rofl

Too funny!


As to your post, I think it has great merit. It's a much more significant change in gameplay than the arena split but I certainly would like to give that a try. It more clearly defines the differences in gameplay styles which appeals to me.

And it pretty much gives the old MA back to those that desire that.
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: bj229r on September 30, 2006, 08:11:16 AM
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Originally posted by Toad
My request is for a reasonably balanced arena, one that promotes the style of fighting prevalent during the stage of the war the particular arena represents.

Not a very difficult concept is it? Early War planes in an Early War arena? Sort of makes sense, don't you think?


As for the sig, I probably ought to change it and I probably will. I think I've had that one since the early part of beta almost.

That was written way back in the days when guys played this game to fight. Didn't matter to me what you flew as long as you were there for the fight.

It's not as applicable in these days of guys that play to avoid the fight.

Toad the whole arena is nothing but SpitV's and H2C's now---limiting those perk rides won't affect much, as they are a small % of total sorties--with just the perked V left, nothing will be able to escape the horde--P40 outdives it, but spit catches up real fast. (that being said, good idea on perking the V---as it has been some 3 weeks now, everyone seems to have concluded that the V is the most surviveable plane, and many others are again being relegated to hangar queens.)


Back to thread--Good idea HT--I saw a guy ranked 6000+ last night--- It MUST have occured to someone here that if there are 6000+ paying subscribers, a way MUST be found to allow more of them to play simultaneously, or HT's account growth would stagnate (mebbe that is what prompted all this?) At some point in time, I think the game had to become a multi-arena affair, else noobs would be scared off by the 700 plane hordes. I must admit, I liked it better before, but this new thing is growing on me, and I see the need for the change.
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: 4510 on September 30, 2006, 08:48:56 AM
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Originally posted by Toad
But apparently you are unable to do so.

Cya.


No, apparently you refuse to provide historical sources to back up your position on why the plane set should be adjusted to provide a certain style of combat that you THINK is historical.

You can make a personal attack and try to brush it off, but you aren't addressing the apparently underlying premise of your post.  You want a certain type of flying experience and want to have changes made to the arena to in effect legislate what you want.  (plane set and ENY).

So.. prove your historical premise... or, as you say....

CYA
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Fencer51 on September 30, 2006, 09:05:51 AM
Thanks HTC, the locking out of squadmates was becoming a problem and this will definately help.
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: 4510 on September 30, 2006, 09:12:32 AM
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Originally posted by Toad
:rofl

Too funny!


As to your post, I think it has great merit. It's a much more significant change in gameplay than the arena split but I certainly would like to give that a try. It more clearly defines the differences in gameplay styles which appeals to me.

And it pretty much gives the old MA back to those that desire that.


There we go... FINALLY.   No unsupported references to history, just a plain statement.  "It more clearly defines the differences in gameplay styles which appeals to me. "

That wasn't so difficult was it?

For what it's worth, I'd like to see the same changes, but I'm not going to stump for them.  One thing I learned years ago in Air Warrior, something that the old hands back then had to drum into my head.  The GAME is what each player decides to make of it.  One has no right to tell them how to fly, be it turn and burn, BnZ, fly for K/D, shoot and auger, etc.  Took me a long time to accept that, but I believe it.

So I don't support changes that are made to in effect legislate a flying style.  Different arenas as described in this thread?  Very interesting!  However, remove the cap from LW1 and let the customer choose.  If the alternative products being offered are what the customer base wants, the customers will support them.  Putting the caps on the LW arenas only forces people to inhabit the other arenas and drag the LW mentality with them.  If we open up the caps, birds of a feather will flock together!  THEN we will have a chance to develop a "norm" for each arena.  The community that regularly inhabits EW will be able to peer influence people who fly there and perhaps Toad will have the experience he wants.   Otherwise, with a low LW cap we risk the chance of forcing an unhappy customer into a different arena, and they aren't particularly open to joining the collective but rather all they want to do at that point is make someone else unhappy.

I also would like to see more planes in the set and actually favor a rolling plane set!  I am not fond of the use of ENY and if the community dynamic we are trying to develop matures, it won't be as necessary anyway.  When it comes to perking rides... that is a slippery slope there.
Title: Re: While I do see
Post by: Oldman731 on September 30, 2006, 09:27:55 AM
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Originally posted by rshubert
What we need is more early planes for the EW arena.  

I agree with this, too.  Given the One Main Arena of the past, though, it's understandable that the early war plane set was ignored.  As a practical matter, we have to assume that HTC will be devoting most of its resources to bringing CT on line, so we probably won't see any new early war planes in the near future.  Toad's ideas about adjusting the current EW arena are good ones, but they aren't the only ones, certainly, and folks should keep talking about the tweaking that HTC has said it will do.

- oldman
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: hubsonfire on September 30, 2006, 11:05:58 AM
See Rules #4, #5
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Waffle on September 30, 2006, 11:30:59 AM
See Rule #5
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Hammy on September 30, 2006, 11:46:12 AM
wow, i even get my posts deleted when i quote the Boss :rolleyes:

i dunno, i get the impression people are scared of the truth, or is it just me?
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Skuzzy on September 30, 2006, 02:04:11 PM
It's just you.  I have no idea why your truth would be any better or worse than anyone else's Hammy.  

I keep telling you, it has nothing to do with what you say, but how you say it.  If you have something constructive to add to a discussion, then please do so.

As long as someone choses to be confrontational, then they should know what to expect.  And that is a truth.
Title: Re: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: ghi on September 30, 2006, 02:39:12 PM
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Originally posted by hitech
At that time we will be implenting the new system.

So untill that time, we will be raising the cap on the LW arena to 350, and posibly some what higher before we implement the new system.



HiTech


  What """new system"" are you talking about !?    i'm curious:(
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Hammy on September 30, 2006, 04:27:39 PM
See Rule #5, #4
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Hammy on September 30, 2006, 04:41:23 PM
roflmao skuzzy account deleted i dont really care
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Overlag on September 30, 2006, 06:17:38 PM
well i guess we have to agree with whatever the "top" says, or we get deleted.

whatever :rolleyes:

but thanks, HTC, thanks for reliseing your mistake and bringing back MA :aok
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Pongo on September 30, 2006, 08:41:11 PM
Toad nailed it.
Title: Re: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Traveler on October 01, 2006, 02:02:13 AM
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Originally posted by hitech
We have a new concept on how to divide 2 idential arenas that will alow a squads to fly to gether if it wishes. But the new method will not work as well as we desire untill our customer base grows a little more. At that time we will be implenting the new system.

So untill that time, we will be raising the cap on the LW arena to 350, and posibly some what higher before we implement the new system.

Along with the changes we will be disableing the ENY in the EW and MW areans, if long term country inbalances arise , we will reevaluate the use of ENY in those arenas.


HiTech


Any chance you could tell us what the "new concept " is that will be used to divide 2 idential arenas?
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: hitech on October 01, 2006, 07:29:05 AM
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well i guess we have to agree with whatever the "top" says, or we get deleted.


Not at all, you just have to adhear to the rules of this bbs when posting here.
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Toad on October 01, 2006, 09:36:38 AM
HT, any comments on my post or Rolex's follow up?

Thanks!
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: hitech on October 01, 2006, 10:03:18 AM
Seems obvious I didn't comment Toad. If I had wanted to comment I would have.

HiTech
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Toad on October 01, 2006, 10:07:51 AM
Well then...does "no comment" = No Way!

or is it something you will consider at your leisure?
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: hitech on October 01, 2006, 10:27:36 AM
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Originally posted by Toad
Well then...does "no comment" = No Way!

or is it something you will consider at your leisure?


Seems obvious I didn't comment Toad. If I had wanted to comment I would have.

HiTech
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Toad on October 01, 2006, 10:31:01 AM
Well, I mistakenly thought a politely framed and documented explanation followed by a question or two would at least merit some sort of informative reply with respect to your views on this new arena/planeset.

Sorry to have bothered you.
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Overlag on October 01, 2006, 11:52:50 AM
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Originally posted by Toad
Well, I mistakenly thought a politely framed and documented explanation followed by a question or two would at least merit some sort of informative reply with respect to your views on this new arena/planeset.

Sorry to have bothered you.


at least he didnt tell you to go suck an egg.....:o
Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: Toad on October 01, 2006, 12:00:32 PM
No, he did not.

But then I didn't insult him, insult his company, insult his game, predict the imminent demise of AH, or threaten to quit either.

Can there be a correlation between the two?
Title: Good move
Post by: TalonX on October 01, 2006, 12:23:12 PM
Glad the cap was raised.     This gives us variety with the ability to hit the MA with our squads.

Title: We are delaying the late war split.
Post by: MIShill on October 01, 2006, 01:22:59 PM
Thank you for the tweak HTC. The extra space in LWA helps a lot. I am much more positive about this evolution as time goes on. In response to the A5 in EWA, gotta have something to perk. You don't see a lot of them & anyone can get stupid in an A5, thus it's less untouchable than a 262 or Tempest.
-MI-
Title: I second the motion
Post by: shiningpathb4me on October 01, 2006, 05:04:04 PM
I think its a good idea.  From my experience in EW, the hurri iic is the plane that dominates the arena until eny keeps them down. With eny gone, the iic should be perked.