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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: x0847Marine on October 01, 2006, 06:45:16 AM
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/01/foley.quits/
Congressmen: "strip down."
Teen: says he's wearing a T-shirt
Congressmen: "Love to slip them off of you."
Congressmen: "Do I make you a little horny?"
Republicans knew this dude was exchanging lewd messages with young boys for a year, rumors that he was some kinda pervert circulated for years prior to that. When it made its way to some bipartisan committee thats responsible for that junk, the Repubs failed to tell the other side.. ignoring what's right to protect their political sphincter, hide the truth and allow the perv to continue being a perv.
So what did they do when the page reported the incident? one of his republican cronies asked him if it was true, and accepted every ounce of chocolate goodnesszle unconditionally.
"Hey man, are you like a sex predator?"
"Nah"
"Whew!, ok cool, drinks at the club later ole chap?"
Republicans are now taking a line right of out that old flick "Clear and present danger", something to the effect "I am just now becoming aware of things..." a full year after the page forwarded the lewd messages to the proper authority?
I hope all you staunch supporters of these parties are real proud, Democrats are the party of blow-job liars, Repubes wack-o banana liars.
The legacy of failure and corruption will continue though, neither party has any worry of losing power to a 3rd party, so they'll spin damage control knowing this too shall pass and continue business as usual covering up each others nasty cheese.
That whizzing sound you hear are the founding fathers spinning in their graves.
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=188663 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=188663)
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Consensus here seems to be that this was nowhere near as bad as Clinton having relations with a legal adult.
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Both parties are cesspools. I'm done with the "two-party system".
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Consensus here seems to be that this was nowhere near as bad as Clinton having relations with a legal adult.
Incorrect. A distinct hipocrisy was demonstrated by the left in that thread. The difference being this guy foley stepped down, whereas Clinton tried to use his presidency to avoid testifying and that he was immune to any lawsuit and crimminal investigation yet got a "pass" from the left. That is what made Clinton actions far more extensive and egregious. I found both acts (Clinton and Foley) to be equally horrendous.
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The other difference is that Foley is going to get criminal charges and I don't think there will be any sort of pardon.
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Originally posted by Toad
The other difference is that Foley is going to get criminal charges and I don't think there will be any sort of pardon.
That's a difference worth noting. Seems that every time a democrat is accused of a crime it's always part of the "vast right wing conspiracy". There seems to be no or little importance placed upon personal responsibility or accountability on the left.
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Anyone remember Democrat Representive Gerry Studds?
Studds is remembered chiefly for his role in the Congressional page sex scandal in 1983, when he and Representative Dan Crane were censured by the House of Representatives for separate sexual relationships with a minor – in Studds's case, a 1973 relationship with a 17-year-old male congressional page.
During the course of the House Ethics Committee's investigation, Studds publicly acknowledged his homosexuality, a disclosure that, according to a Washington Post article, "apparently was not news to many of his constituents." Studds stated in an address to the House, "It is not a simple task for any of us to meet adequately the obligations of either public or private life, let alone both, but these challenges are made substantially more complex when one is, as I am, both an elected public official and gay."
As the House read their censure of him, Studds turned his back and ignored them. Later, at a press conference with the former page standing beside him, the two stated that what had happened between them was nobody's business but their own.
He was re-elected to the house for 5 terms after this. :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by lukster
That's a difference worth noting. Seems that every time a democrat is accused of a crime it's always part of the "vast right wing conspiracy". There seems to be no or little importance placed upon personal responsibility or accountability on the left.
Absolutely. At least Foley had the decency to step down. Democrats tend to feel that its "nobody's business but theirs".
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Clinton didn't get in trouble for getting a BJ from a legal adult, he got in trouble for lying under oath.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Clinton didn't get in trouble for getting a BJ from a legal adult, he got in trouble for lying under oath.
Actually he got in trobule for years of sexually abusing and harrassing the weaker sex.
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Clinton got in trouble because the republicans were focused on a political witch hunt rather than protecting national security.
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Originally posted by rpm
Clinton got in trouble because the republicans were focused on a political witch hunt rather than protecting national security.
Don't forget the "vast right wing conspiracy". :rolleyes:
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First let me state that I neither condone nor accept that what this "person" did was proper, legal or morrally correct. He's out of office and facing prosecution and I am happy to let the system do it's thing.
What I do have a question about is this statement from x0847Marine's post.
When it made its way to some bipartisan committee thats responsible for that junk, the Repubs failed to tell the other side..
If it was a bipartison committee looking into this, how was it kept from "the other side"? It seems to me that the term "bipartisan" pretty much says that the "other side", assuming the Demo's in this case are the other side, would be rather privvy to the "scandalous" information. So is this a "republican" scandal or a republican AND democratic party scandal??
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Both parties are cesspools. I'm done with the "two-party system".
Common misconception, it's a one party system masquerading as a two party system.
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IMO this should transcend party lines. If it becomes known people (in any party) covered up for this guy, they should be removed from office and possibly prosecuted. End of story. Maybe Clinton did get away with things as morally reprehensible. It doesn't give anyone else a free pass, Foley or any who covered up for Foley.
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Originally posted by BTW
IMO this should transcend party lines. If it becomes known people (in any party) covered up for this guy, they should be removed from office and possibly prosecuted. End of story. Maybe Clinton did get away with things as morally reprehensible. It doesn't give anyone else a free pass, Foley or any who covered up for Foley.
I've read that when it was reported to him the speaker reported it to the authorities. What more should he have done?
Clinton got away with worse imo but that excuses no one.
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Comparing Clinton to Foley is like comparing JFK to Michael Jackson.
Who really gives a crap what grown adults do, so long as they aren't making advances or having sexual episodes with underage kids?
The fact that Clinton lied under oath about sex with a legal adult does not put him in the same league as a pedophile. I don't even like Clinton and I feel I have to defend him...
How can ANYONE defend Foley, or compare his behavior to someone else to legitimize Foley's behavior?
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its all very sad ..
clinton just cheated on his wife and so doing cheated on america as he was her potus. the shame & weakness his selfish actions cast over the country is still felt today..
this weirdo creep. foley, not only needed to resign but needs to have his lights punched out
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Originally posted by Delirium
Comparing Clinton to Foley is like comparing JFK to Michael Jackson.
Who really gives a crap what grown adults do, so long as they aren't making advances or having sexual episodes with underage kids?
The fact that Clinton lied under oath about sex with a legal adult does not put him in the same league as a pedophile. I don't even like Clinton and I feel I have to defend him...
How can ANYONE defend Foley, or compare his behavior to someone else to legitimize Foley's behavior?
More like comparing Teddy Kennedy to Michael Jackson except that both of them got off. Foley won't be getting off. No pun intended.
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It's been pointed out that having a sexual relationship with an underling in your chain of command is against all the rules in corporate america and in the armed forces.
People lose their jobs over that. CEO's and Generals lose their job, despite the participants being grown adults.
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So far, from left field... utter silence on Gerry Studds. :rofl
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I think his ONLY crime is being a republican! Right guys?! If he was a Democrat this wouldn't even be IN the news! Golly-geen librul biased commie queer biased librul commie news!!!!!
DOWN WITH THE BIAS! FREE AMERICA FROM THE COMMIE LIBRUL BLOWJOB PARTY!
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Funny thing Urch... I don't see ANYONE saying that. No one.
I do see people saying prosecute Foley to the full extent of the law. Even more funny, it's those very same folks that are branded as conservatives here that are saying it loud and clear.
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Thats just cuz the librul commies on this VERY BOARD have you muzzled!
Do not be afraid! If it is ok for KLINTONSKI to get BLOWJOBS from a teenage GIRL in the oval office, it should be OK for Joe A. OK. American to get em from a teenage BOY too!
STAND UP TO THE LIBRUL COMMIE BLOWJOB PARTYERS!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
So far, from left field... utter silence on Gerry Studds. :rofl
So far from right field.. nothing about Dan Crane!
Holy crap Ripsnort! That was 1982!
Do you really feel it is relevant?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Consensus here seems to be that this was nowhere near as bad as Clinton having relations with a legal adult.
The thing is whether Hastert knew about just the emails, or the IM's as well--the emails were run of the mill:
TThe lede on the Roll Call story doesn't specify exactly what Hastert knew about, and the lede on the AP story says Hastert knew about "inappropriate messages." If you read a little farther in both stories you'll find the details of Reynolds' statement:
"Rodney Alexander brought to my attention the existence of e-mails between Mark Foley and a former page of Mr. [Rodney Alexander's [R-La.]. Despite the fact that I had not seen the e-mails in question, and Mr. Alexander told me that the parents didn't want the matter pursued, I told the Speaker of the conversation Mr. Alexander had with me.
He was informed about the e-mails, not the instant messages. Here's the text of the e-mails:
The e-mails were sent from Foley's personal AOL account, and the exchange began within weeks after the page finished his program on Capitol Hill. In one, Foley writes, "did you have fun at your conference…what do you want for your birthday coming up…what stuff do you like to do."
In another Foley writes, "how are you weathering the hurricane…are you safe…send me an email pic of you as well…"
The young man was bothered by these e-mails, but his parents wanted no action taken beyond having the contact stopped. Rep. Shimkus, a Republican on the page board, confronted Foley at the time:
The House clerk then met with Shimkus, and the two of them later confronted Foley and told him to stop communicating with the young man. All involved didn't discuss the matter further because they were "mindful of the sensitivity to the parent's wishes to protect their child's privacy,'' the statement said.
When I first read the e-mails, I thought, "Hmm, that's a little odd and a tinge creepy, but could have an innocent explanation." I wasn't ready to declare the man a child molester. I imagine Hastert might have felt the same, especially given that it sounds like he and Reynolds only got a description of the e-mails or simple notification that they existed.
Now, if he had known about the IMs, it would have been a different story. Then I'd be in the same boat with Capt. Ed. Here's the text of the IMs:
Maf54: You in your boxers, too?
Teen: Nope, just got home. I had a college interview that went late.
Maf54: Well, strip down and get relaxed.
Another message:
Maf54: What ya wearing?
Teen: tshirt and shorts
Maf54: Love to slip them off of you.
And this one:
Maf54: Do I make you a little horny?
Teen: A little.
Maf54: Cool.
And, they get worse, apparently. Thirty-five pages worth of worse. But can we really blame Hastert for not assuming that would be the case? The IMs reflect an entirely different story than the e-mails did, and it's easy for us to say, with the benefit of hindsight, that Hastert should have known, but I don't think I would have.
http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/8c312c8d-8702-4241-8961-af2439b802b1
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LIBRUL COMMIE! DOWN WITH YOU AND YOUR SLANDEROUS BLOWJOB PARTY RHETORIC!
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Originally posted by Toad
Funny thing Urch... I don't see ANYONE saying that. No one.
I do see people saying prosecute Foley to the full extent of the law. Even more funny, it's those very same folks that are branded as conservatives here that are saying it loud and clear.
Loud and clear BUT.... You all seem to have a big BUT attached to your "loud and clear".
Kinda like in a third grade way.. he's guilty BUT what about the other guy...waaah!
:cry
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I would not call the emails "run of the mill." In fact I was confused at the first reports of sexually explicit emails. The emails were creepy ( as the page characterized them), as in they were inappropriately paternalistic. But they weren't sexually explicit. Then I saw the IM's and was completely disgusted after about 6 lines. The first news stories confused the email and the im's. But under no circumstances would I call the emails " run of the mill" given the business relationship.
There is no question the IM's were sexually explicit and points to a disturbed individual.
But even just the emails should have shot up a red flag to any adult.
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I just can't maintain that for too long.
How was my Rovian debate intro?
I'm sure I could think up more, but I just feel too silly :( .
And yea Toad... damn near every "conservative" on this board is doing what M.T. said.
Yea he's guilty, but KLINTON got away with it! And some random bellybutton congressman from 1864 got away from it, cuz HE was a democrat too!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Loud and clear BUT.... You all seem to have a big BUT attached to your "loud and clear".
Kinda like in a third grade way.. he's guilty BUT what about the other guy...waaah!
:cry
The only "but" is about the double standard democrats/liberals allow themselves, "but", justice for all would be better.
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I would be great for the Republican party to divorce this guy RIGHT NOW. I don't care what any person in the past has gotten away with, bringing it up now implies some defense of this guy and there is no defense of this guy if its true.
I really think it sends a less than enthusiastic call for an investigation if Clinton is constantly brought up. Are we going to talk about Clinton before we even know how far this goes or if this even stopped at IM's? Don't you want to know if this guy was actually abusing kids? This is one thing that shouldn't be politicized. This is just wrong.
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Originally posted by BTW
I would be great for the Republican party to divorce this guy RIGHT NOW. I don't care what any person in the past has gotten away with, bringing it up now implies some defense of this guy and there is no defense of this guy if its true.
I really think it sends a less than enthusiastic call for an investigation if Clinton is constantly brought up. Are we going to talk about Clinton before we even know how far this goes or if this even stopped at IM's? Don't you want to know if this guy was actually abusing kids? This is one thing that shouldn't be politicized. This is just wrong.
They already have
Dear Mr. Attorney General:
Former Representative Mark Foley resigned from the House of Representatives on Friday, September 29, 2006, after improper and illicit communications between Mr. Foley and former House pages were made public. While the House of Representatives on that day voted to refer this matter to the Committee on Standards of Official Conduct for investigation, they do not have jurisdiction over federal law or over him upon his resignation from office.
As Speaker of the House, I hereby request that the Department of Justice conduct an investigation of Mr. Foley’s conduct with current and former House pages to determine to what extent any of his actions violated federal law.
As I am sure you are aware, there are two different and distinct communications at issue here. First, Mr. Foley sent an email to a former page of Representative Alexander in the fall of 2005. This email was determined to be “over friendly” by Representative Alexander’s office but was not sexual in nature. Second, based on media reports, there is a different set of communications which were sexually explicit instant messages which Mr. Foley reportedly sent another former page or pages. These communications, of which no one in the House Leadership was aware to my knowledge, reportedly were sent sometime in 2003.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm
edit-- from a purely political point of view, had Hastert known of the extent of this crap, he would have squeezed out Foley long ago, that they might have a candidate for 2006--as it is, the St Pete Times waited until now to spring it, and the Gop is 1 seat closer to minority status.
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this here thread needs less politics & more punchlines
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Originally posted by Maverick
First let me state that I neither condone nor accept that what this "person" did was proper, legal or morrally correct. He's out of office and facing prosecution and I am happy to let the system do it's thing.
What I do have a question about is this statement from x0847Marine's post.
When it made its way to some bipartisan committee thats responsible for that junk, the Repubs failed to tell the other side..
If it was a bipartison committee looking into this, how was it kept from "the other side"? It seems to me that the term "bipartisan" pretty much says that the "other side", assuming the Demo's in this case are the other side, would be rather privvy to the "scandalous" information. So is this a "republican" scandal or a republican AND democratic party scandal??
The rebub member kept it to himself, the Dem on the committee claimed to know nothing about it, thus it was never looked into. The repub investigation was awesome, "are you a chickenhawk?", "Nah", "ok great!.. no need to mention this"
Even funnier, watch the interviews with former pages, so far more than 1 has acknowledged it was an "open secret" Foley was a perv, pages were warned about him years ago... smoke = fire... unless you're a urine soaked politician.
Imagine if he was a regular joe teacher, he'd have been fired so long ago at the hint of "slip off your shorts horny little boy" but he has his powerful Repub cronies turning a blind eye to the smoke, protecting him so well he felt totally at ease to continue being a perv IN THE OPEN using his real e-mail.
None of this matters, the blow job liar democrats and chicken-hawk liar republicans will laugh this off knowing they will retain plenty of power.
Before I die of old age, in Amsterdam, I hope to see "The American people" get so sick of these parties grip on power & legacy of failure, legit 3rd or 4th parties inject new thinking into this mess.
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So are you saying the dem on the committee is in "collusion with the repub's", totally inept or are they lying to seperate themselves from the fact that they did nothing about it themselves while on the "bipartisan" committee.
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btw, here's more IM excerpts:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/print?id=2509586
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When our leaders, of either party, behave inappropriately it shames us all. There is no reason to rejoice in this. I'm not sure the democrats get this.
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Originally posted by lukster
When our leaders, of either party, behave inappropriately it shames us all. There is no reason to rejoice in this. I'm not sure the democrats get this.
If any democrats are rejoicing over this, then it's a shameful display not befitting the seriousness of the offense. It would also be the worst kind of partisanship, where counting coup is more important than doing your job.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
So far, from left field... utter silence on Gerry Studds. :rofl
That's because they all know all recongise when when you are hijacking a thread with one of your countless red herrings by now.
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Originally posted by some dude
If any democrats are rejoicing over this, then it's a shameful display not befitting the seriousness of the offense. It would also be the worst kind of partisanship, where counting coup is more important than doing your job.
democrats dont have jobs - hey, is key west in this guy's district?
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=188663 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=188663)
I don;t know what was funner, the comments in the post, or the Skuzzy edits every other line :)
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Speaker Hastert first claimed he was made aware of Foley's emails to a young congressional page by media reports on Thursday. He has now admitted he was actually informed last fall. Up until this morning, the top of Hastert's website highlighted the congressman's efforts to "Keep Kids Safe In Cyberspace." That information is now gone.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/hastert-kids-cyberspace/
That's puzzling.
Later today, there appears to be a republican effort to block an investigation of the incident:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IJ7d7cWsVWI
On Friday, after the Foley debacle erupted, the Family Research Council’s daily email alert lacked any mention of Foley and instead praised Sen. Frist for an anti-abortion bill. This group has been all over democrats in similar situations, and this seems to indicate a curiously one sided approach to morality.
I think the democrats are usually shrill, whining babies, but the republican party seems to be having its own issues with this story.
Perhaps they should follow the lead of people like Michael Reagan and David Bossie on this specific issue:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/02/hastert-resign/
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i heard he was gonna be prosectued under The Mann Act, or more exactly, the sex-with-a-man act LMAO!!1
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no doubt the liberals knew about this pervert and just kept quiet until 5 weeks before the election. Do it for the children....remember that liberal rallying cry...yeah...do it TO the children more like it. Anything to get power.
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Originally posted by Yeager
no doubt the liberals knew about this pervert and just kept quiet until 5 weeks before the election.
MT sent me the memo months ago.
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Just another republican protesting too loudly. Most of them do.
"I found both acts (Clinton and Foley) to be equally horrendous."
Really. Getting a bj from a woman is horrendous. As horrendous as a homosexual stalking school kids that are assigned to work with him.
This may be the defining difference between hate hate hate republicans and the rest of the world.
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Originally posted by Yeager
no doubt the liberals knew about this pervert and just kept quiet until 5 weeks before the election. Do it for the children....remember that liberal rallying cry...yeah...do it TO the children more like it. Anything to get power.
I bet that page was a DEMOCRAT page, and he SEDUCED that poor hardworking congressional representative!
Probably for MONEY from the dirty commie librul blowjob party!
Clinton should go to JAIL for LIFE over this! It won't STAND!
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Originally posted by Urchin
I bet that page was a DEMOCRAT page, and he SEDUCED that poor hardworking congressional representative!
Probably for MONEY from the dirty commie librul blowjob party!
Clinton should go to JAIL for LIFE over this! It won't STAND!
What's sad is he probably truly believes just that.
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Most everyone knows me on here to be a Republican, and I will make no excuses for Foley...Shame on him for what he did...Even more so, shame on him for this being in his past, and him not stepping down then!....
That said, I think we are seeing a double standard...What about Barney Frank? Not only did he run a prostitution ring out of his DC apartment, but he wrote off 15 parking tickets clients recieved!
What about Bill Clinton? Yes, he did have sex with an "of age" adult, and I could argue the power and manipulation factor but I wont, but he was in the White House! The leader of the free world, and one of the most iconic role models cheated on his wife while in office, and lied under oath, and democrats still defend him to this day on the issue! The difference is there is not a single Republican in the house or senate who have given any words of defense to this pedophile...
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one guy cheats his country out of 1000s of lives and a trillion dollars and he is a hero, another guy cheats on his wife and he is the antichrist.
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Pongo, you obviously missed the long list of women he abused.
Though to you, this will always be about a BJ.
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Originally posted by Pongo
one guy cheats his country out of 1000s of lives and a trillion dollars and he is a hero, another guy cheats on his wife and he is the antichrist.
IMO his distraction with his noodle has lead the country to where it is at today. It gave the world the image of a weak and confused country while embolding our enemies with each of slicks wrists slap response to their terror tactics..
thank you mr clinton
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Originally posted by midnight Target
he's guilty BUT what about the other guy...waaah!
:cry
Indeed, "but".
One guy has sex with an underling in his chain of command (something for which a General was fired in roughly that same time period), lies under oath about it and gets a free pass on all of it from his supporters because it was a "private affair".
The other guy gets caught, resigns in shame as he should AND is going to be prosecuted and everyone supports nailing his hide to the barn door for his transgressions.
I guess it's wrong to point out the hypocrisy of the first instance. So sorry.
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See Rule #7
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If the republican leadership knew about this for a year+ and kept it quiet to avoid having it hurt elections.... that's absolute crap. If the people on this board who have been trying to downplay the whole thing keep doing so in the face of mounting evidence of the clusterpluck this is turning into, I suppose we'll have a good indication of their quality of character.
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I find it highly disturbing that people are defending this guy. In this forum.
The WORST problem in this country is that people are so blinded by their political allegiances that they end up siding with people or ideas that they never would normally. Just because of their political party. (This goes for BOTH sides)
IMHO, this guy should suffer the same concequences as if he were NOT involved in politics. If he committed a crime, let them try him and convict him. But let's not prosecute him OR defend him because he's a member of a certain political party. That's one step away from facism, IMHO.
And just because someone else commited a crime and "got away" with it doesn't mean that EVERYONE should get away with it.
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Politics aside Foley should get the same treatment to an uncurable disease every other pedephile should get, a bullet to the back of the skull.
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What a coincidence this scandal comes out 5 weeks b4 the mid term elections. I have no doubt the record will show the liberals (aka democrats) knew about this freakjob and held on to the information (thus allowing a threat to children to remain) so that they could use this info for political gain.
I guarantee it.
And yes, hastert should resign.
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Originally posted by Yeager
What a coincidence this scandal comes out 5 weeks b4 the mid term elections. I have no doubt the record will show the liberals (aka democrats) knew about this freakjob and held on to the information (thus allowing a threat to children to remain) so that they could use this info for political gain.
I guarantee it.
And yes, hastert should resign.
The sad thing is it appears people in both parties knew about Foley and he had a reputation of being "overly friendly." It seems the Republicans kept it hidden to protect their seat and the Democrats kept it hidden to spring it at the last moment. People on both sides of the aisle should be going to jail for endangering a minor. This is politics at its worst.
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Doesn't look like this is the first time for the Republicans:
Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.
Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper was arrested for soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.
Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.
Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.
Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.
Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano was arrested for sexually molesting a 14-year-old girl.
Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.
Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.
Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.
Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.
Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.
Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years later on the same charge.
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.
Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.
Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.
Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
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You wanna start comparing party affiliated child molesters Hawco I'll dig into the stats after this afternoon's job. I have little doubt the democrats will prove to be at least as perverse as the republicans.
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I'd like to see that list, Lukster. As you may know, I think both parties suck. If you can provide something I can stuff into the pipe of my hippy friends and tell 'em to smoke it, it'd be nice. By this evening?
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It's not just that Frist and Hastert allowed things to go so horribly wrong and offered no oversight; it's also that they are both crooks. Frist has paid fines for his family company's medicare fraud and is now facing possible charges of insider trading and campaign finance irregularities. Hastert has accepted bribes from the Turkish government. So both are under the thumb of the administration which controls the Justice Department. As long as Frist and Hastert do the bidding of the White House, they will be "protected". Otherwise, they face possible prosecution and they know it. Again, BLACKMAIL is one of the White house's favorite methods of persuasion. I have no doubt that Hastert shared the information about Foley with Rove and was told to sit on it, but when ABC broke it, he went into CYA mode and pretended to want an investigation. Also, I have no doubt the White House knew all about Foley's emails and other activities anyway. After all, they spy on everyone, especially Congress. That gives them all the information they need to control things.
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Originally posted by lukster
You wanna start comparing party affiliated child molesters Hawco I'll dig into the stats after this afternoon's job. I have little doubt the democrats will prove to be at least as perverse as the republicans.
I have little doubt that that they are, I was merely pointing out that this is not the first time this has been attributed to the Republicans.
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lol urchin...might want to get those gaskets and o-rings checked and lubed bro, dont want you blowing any fluids (no pun intended) :aok
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20061002/bs_ibd_ibd/2006102issues01
"If anything, the episode reveals the Democrats' hypocrisy about their own behavior. The fact that Foley resigned virtually within minutes of being told that ABC News had copies of his salacious e-mails and text messages indicates he at least felt shame for his actions. Can the same be said for Democrats?
Sadly, it doesn't seem so. How else can you explain the following?
In 1983, then-Democratic Rep. Gerry Studds of Massachusetts was caught in a similar situation. In his case, Studds had sex with a male teenage page -- something Foley hasn't been charged with.
Did Studds express contrition? Resign? Quite the contrary. He rejected Congress' censure of him and continued to represent his district until his retirement in 1996.
In 1989, Rep. Barney Frank (news, bio, voting record), also of Massachusetts, admitted he'd lived with Steve Gobie, a male prostitute who ran a gay sex-for-hire ring out of Frank's apartment. Frank, it was later discovered, used his position to fix 33 parking tickets for Gobie.
What happened to Frank? The House voted 408-18 to reprimand him -- a slap on the wrist. Today he's an honored Democratic member of Congress, much in demand as a speaker and "conscience of the party."
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Obviously when the Democrats to it it's ok... but when the Republicans do it they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and beyond.
Or do I have that backwards?
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Originally posted by Rameusb5
Or do I have that backwards?
Nope, that's called a 'straw man argument'. Common mistake.
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What this proves is Republicans are not the "good and rightious" party. Neither are the Democrats, btw.
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both parties are full of pervs
but why does only one side punish itself while the other side finds excuses for its behavior?
I'll let you figure out which side is which....
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Eagler, when you wrote "punishes itself" you forget to add "after evidence is presented along with notice that it's about to or has just become public". This seems to apply to both parties, but certainly removes any moral credibility you might be trying to imply that the GOP has as a whole.
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Originally posted by Yeager
...What happened to Frank? The House voted 408-18 to reprimand him -- a slap on the wrist. Today he's an honored Democratic member of Congress, much in demand as a speaker and "conscience of the party."
a limp wrist can absorb a lot more punishment LOL!
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Eagler, when you wrote "punishes itself" you forget to add "after evidence is presented along with notice that it's about to or has just become public". This seems to apply to both parties, but certainly removes any moral credibility you might be trying to imply that the GOP has as a whole.
yes, no one steps forward and states they did it until they can no longer deny it.
but for instance with clinton when the larry flynn dug up dirt on the republicans, what happened there?
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Originally posted by cav58d
Most everyone knows me on here to be a Republican, and I will make no excuses for Foley...Shame on him for what he did...Even more so, shame on him for this being in his past, and him not stepping down then!....
That said, I think we are seeing a double standard...What about Barney Frank? Not only did he run a prostitution ring out of his DC apartment, but he wrote off 15 parking tickets clients recieved!
What about Bill Clinton? Yes, he did have sex with an "of age" adult, and I could argue the power and manipulation factor but I wont, but he was in the White House! The leader of the free world, and one of the most iconic role models cheated on his wife while in office, and lied under oath, and democrats still defend him to this day on the issue! The difference is there is not a single Republican in the house or senate who have given any words of defense to this pedophile...
I dont see it as a double standard at all, BOTH parties bank roll pedophiles, perverts, and liars for political gain... they are in power, and thats that.
The speaker says he cant recall being told dude was a perv, lol... being told a congressmen is a perv must be a daily occurrence then huh?, "How am I expected to remember every time I'm told a congressmen wanks to teens?"
If he cant remember something as potentially damaging and disturbing as that, I wonder who reminds him to change his depends?
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Originally posted by Urchin
http://www.sarcasm.com
Sorry dude, sadly, it's getting harder and harder to distinguish.
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Np, skuzzy knew it lol.
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If Foley is really an alcoholic, which I doubt, he gives alcoholics a bad name. What a dispicable excuse for a man.
One minor point though. Strictly speaking, I'm pretty sure that psycologists consider a pedaphile to be one who has sexual desires for prepubescent children. I think Foley may be just a morally depraved and hypocritical homosexual who likes them young.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
If the people on this board who have been trying to downplay the whole thing
Who is downplaying it? What I see is folks saying prosecute him to the full extent of the law.
That's how I feel about it.
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Originally posted by Rameusb5
I find it highly disturbing that people are defending this guy. In this forum.
Can you refer me to any of the above posts? I don't see anyone defending Foley.
Thanks!
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Some republican politicians are indeed the scum of the earth but embracing the democratic party becasue of this would be jumping from the frying pan into the fire. No thanks.
Rant and rave all you want democrats, won't change many votes.
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Asides this most recent scandal, do tell me, with election season coming, what grand ideas and goals the democrats have? So far its one smear or leak campaign after another.
Foley's a tard, but labelling the whole party for one person's faults is hardly sensical.
Sounds like another October surprise....its the best the Dems can come up with. The Feds are investigating and everyone is agreeing the guy is scum. Yet the dems are hoping this will "stick" so that everyone thinks all Republicans are like this.
Clearly not the case
But by all means, let the drama continue. Meanwhile Iran is steadily working on creating a nuclear device, chanting "Death to America" every morning while we go 'round and 'round.
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Bad Logic. If the republicans knew about it a year and a half before the elections, why would they wait and risk it coming into the open just before the election? I would expose it ASAP if I knew.
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They didnt know
They knew of an email he sent a former page. The parents complained and brought it to their attention. They spoke to Foley about it, he apologized and promised to not do so again. He said there was nothing explicit or improper in his email.
They thought it was settle.
Frist was on Comedy Central last night on the Daily show talking about it
They didnt know about the instant messages until ABC news "magically" had it.
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Here's a politician using kids to avoid any Foley questions. Classy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o946ObydUO8&eurl=
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Guys, remember, the White House and Capitol are MY HOUSE and YOUR HOUSE. The "adult" our President had sex with was 21. I don't see that "private" behavior protects any of these creeps. THEY passed sexual harassment legislation for your workplace and mine. Their "privacy" stops in their workplace that we OWN. Daniel Patrick Moynahan (a Democrat and a man of principle) coined the phrase "defining down decency". He is right. If we give any of these low lifes- including our ex-President- the time of day we are fools. They betray our trust. If I was the parent of one of these pages (a position I was once offered in the '60s) or Monica Lowinski's dad I would slap the smiles off their faces in a heartbeat.
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Originally posted by LePaul
They didnt know
They knew of an email he sent a former page. The parents complained and brought it to their attention. They spoke to Foley about it, he apologized and promised to not do so again. He said there was nothing explicit or improper in his email.
They thought it was settle.
Frist was on Comedy Central last night on the Daily show talking about it
They didnt know about the instant messages until ABC news "magically" had it.
It took a reporter less than 1 week to investigate and uncover enough dirt to sink freaky Foley... the republicans cant do that? are they completely incompetent, or just crooked liars, like the Dems, who care more about being in power than anything else.
It also just happens that right around the same time Foley was warned, he made the largest donation of anyone, $100K, to some repub cause... blackmail or hush money?
Vote Independent, both parties are toxic.
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Originally posted by Yeager
What happened to Frank? The House voted 408-18 to reprimand him -- a slap on the wrist. Today he's an honored Democratic member of Congress, much in demand as a speaker and "conscience of the party." [/B]
Hang on there! You mean that there were 408 Democrats in the house at that time and only 18 Repubs? Or... did the republicans just slap him on the wrist too?
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Originally posted by LePaul
They didnt know
They knew of an email he sent a former page. The parents complained and brought it to their attention. They spoke to Foley about it, he apologized and promised to not do so again. He said there was nothing explicit or improper in his email.
They thought it was settle.
Frist was on Comedy Central last night on the Daily show talking about it
They didnt know about the instant messages until ABC news "magically" had it.
ohhh I seee..the democrats knew about it and witheld the info till the last minute.. and the Republicans didn't know about it until the Dems let the cat out of the bag! And how do you know this?
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Originally posted by Toad
Can you refer me to any of the above posts? I don't see anyone defending Foley.
Thanks!
Ripsnort: The difference being this guy foley stepped down, whereas Clinton tried to use his presidency to avoid testifying and that he was immune to any lawsuit and crimminal investigation yet got a "pass" from the left. That is what made Clinton actions far more extensive and egregious. I found both acts (Clinton and Foley) to be equally horrendous.
Toad: The other difference is that Foley is going to get criminal charges and I don't think there will be any sort of pardon.
Lukster: That's a difference worth noting. Seems that every time a democrat is accused of a crime it's always part of the "vast right wing conspiracy". There seems to be no or little importance placed upon personal responsibility or accountability on the left.
Ripsnort: Absolutely. At least Foley had the decency to step down. Democrats tend to feel that its "nobody's business but theirs".
Ripsnort: Anyone remember Democrat Representive Gerry Studds? He was re-elected to the house for 5 terms after this.
And that's just on the first page. On the second page, the conversation leads degenerates into how much "Clinton got away with."
I'd like to point out that you are part of that conversation.
Some people are spending more time in this thread talking about what Clinton did than what this guy did, as if somehow Clinton's actions make Foley's actions more acceptable. At the very least, they are using his abuse as a forum for flinging poo at the left. If this guy weren't a politician, EVERYBODY here would be wanting to hang this guy from a yardarm.
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Lukster, if you've had a chance to build the democrat list, I'd love to see it. I know the equivalents are out there, it might be handy to have that available if anyone from that party tries to use this incident as a brush with which to paint the entire Republican party.
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Democrat scandals: (they aren't all sexual in nature)
William Jefferson Clinton- Impeached by the House of Representatives over allegations of perjury and obstruction of justice, but acquitted by the Senate. Scandals include Whitewater - Travelgate Gennifer Flowersgate - Filegate - Vince Fostergate - Whitewater Billing Recordsgate - Paula Jonesgate- Lincoln Bedroomgate - Donations from Convicted Drug and Weapons Dealersgate - Lippogate - Chinagate - The Lewinsky Affair - Perjury and Jobs for Lewinskygate - Kathleen Willeygate - Web Hubbell Prison Phone Callgate - Selling Military Technology to the Chinesegate - Jaunita Broaddrick Gate - Lootergate - Pardongate
Edward Moore Kennedy - Democrat - U. S. Senator from Massachusetts. Pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne.
Barney Frank - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1981 to present. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.
DNC - The Federal Election Commission imposed $719,000 in fines against participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources. The Federal Election Commission said it decided to drop cases against contributors of more than $3 million in illegal DNC contributions because the respondents left the country or the corporations are defunct.
Sandy Berger - Democrat - National Security Advisor during the Clinton Administration. Berger became the focus of a criminal investigation after removing highly classified terrorism documents and handwritten notes from the National Archives during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission hearings.
Robert Torricelli - Democrat - Withdrew from the 2002 Senate race with less than 30 days before the election because of controversy over personal gifts he took from a major campaign donor and questions about campaign donations from 1996.
James McGreevey - Democrat - New Jersey Governor . Admitted to having a gay affair. Resigned after allegations of sexual harassment, rumors of being blackmailed on top of fundraising investigations and indictments.
Jesse Jackson - Democrat - Democratic candidate for President. Admitted to having an extramarital affair and fathering a illegitimate child.
Gary Condit - Democrat - US Democratic Congressman from California. Condit had an affair with an intern. Condit, covered up the affair and lied to police after she went missing. No charges were ever filed against Condit. Her remains were discovered in a Washington DC park..
Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde - Democrat - the son of newly elected U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, was booked on charges of criminal damage to property for allegedly slashing tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party for use in Election Day voter turnout efforts.
Daniel David Rostenkowski - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1959 to 1995. Indicted on 17 felony charges- pleaded guilty to two counts of misuse of public funds and sentenced to seventeen months in federal prison.
Melvin Jay Reynolds - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1993 to 1995. Convicted on sexual misconduct and obstruction of justice charges and sentenced to five years in prison.
Charles Coles Diggs, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan from 1955 to 1980. Convicted on eleven counts of mail fraud and filing false payroll forms- sentenced to three years in prison.
George Rogers - Democrat - Massachusetts State House of Representatives from 1965 to 1970. M000ember of Massachusetts State Senate from 1975 to 1978. Convicted of bribery in 1978 and sentenced to two years in prison.
Don Siegelman - Democrat Governor Alabama - indicted in a bid-rigging scheme involving a maternity-care program. The charges accused Siegelman and his former chief of staff of helping Tuscaloosa physician Phillip Bobo rig bids. Siegelman was accused of moving $550,000 from the state education budget to the State Fire College in Tuscaloosa so Bobo could use the money to pay off a competitor for a state contract for maternity care.
John Murtha, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania. Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an unindicted co-conspirator
Gerry Eastman Studds - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page.
James C. Green - Democrat - North Carolina State House of Representatives from 1961 to 1977. Charged with accepting a bribe from an undercover FBI agent, but was acquitted. Convicted of tax evasion in 1997.
Frederick Richmond - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1975 to 1982. Arrested in Washington, D.C., in 1978 for soliciting sex from a minor and from an undercover police officer - pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor. Also - charged with tax evasion, marijuana possession, and improper payments to a federal employee - pleaded guilty.
Raymond Lederer - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1977 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.
Harrison Arlington Williams, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Senator from New Jersey from 1959 to 1970. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Allegedly accepted an 18% interest in a titanium mine. Convicted of nine counts of bribery, conspiracy, receiving an unlawful gratuity, conflict of interest, and interstate travel in aid of racketeering. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $50,000.
Frank Thompson, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1955 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting, convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges. Sentenced to three years in prison
Michael Joseph Myers - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1976 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and conspiracy; sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000; expelled from the House of Representatives on October 2, 1980.
John Michael Murphy - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1963 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted of conspiracy, conflict of interest, and accepting an illegal gratuity. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.
John Wilson Jenrette, Jr - Democrat - U.S. Representative from South Carolina from 1975 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges and sentenced to prison
Neil Goldschmidt - Democrat - Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was serving as Mayor of Portland.
Alcee Lamar Hastings - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida. Impeached and removed from office as federal judge in 1989 over bribery charges.
Marion Barry - Democrat - mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine. Sentenced to six months in prison.
Mario Biaggi - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1969 to 1988. Indicted on federal charges that he had accepted bribes in return for influence on federal contracts.Convicted of obstructing justice and accepting illegal gratuities. Tried in 1988 on federal racketeering charges and convicted on 15 felony counts.
Lee Alexander - Democrat - Mayor of Syracuse, N.Y. from 1970 to 1985. Was indicted over a $1.5 million kickback scandal. Pleaded guilty to racketeering and tax evasion charges. Served six years in prison.
Bill Campbell - Democrat - Mayor of Atlanta. Indicted and charged with fraud over claims he accepted improper payments from contractors seeking city contracts.
Frank Ballance - Democrat - Congressman North Carolina. Pleaded guilty to one charge of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and money laundering related to mishandling of money by his charitable foundation.
Hazel O'Leary - Democrat - Secretary of Energy during the Clinton Administration - O'leary took trips all over the world as Secretary with as many 50 staff members and at times rented a plane, which was used by Madonna during her concert tours.
Lafayette Thomas - Democrat - Candidate for Tennessee State House of Representatives in 1954. Sheriff of Davidson County, from 1972 to 1990. Indicted in federal court on 54 counts of abusing his power as sheriff. Pleaded guilty to theft and mail fraud; sentenced to five years in prison.
Mary Rose Oakar - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Ohio from 1977 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges of funneling $16,000 through fake donors.
David Giles - Democrat - candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington in 1986 and 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape.
Gary Siplin - Democrat state senator Florida- found guilty of third-degree grand theft of $5,000 or more, a felony, and using services of employees for his candidacy.
Edward Mezvinsky - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Iowa from 1973 to 1977. Indicted on 56 federal fraud charges.
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Lena Swanson - Democrat - Member of Washington State Senate in 1997. Pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting unlawful payments from veterans and former prisoners of war.
Abraham J. Hirschfeld - Democrat - candidate in Democratic primary for U.S. Senator from New York in 1974 and 1976. Offered Paula Jones $1 million to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton. Convicted in 2000 of trying to hire a hit man to kill his business partner.
Henry Cisneros - Democrat - U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development from 1993 to 1997. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of lying to the FBI.
James A. Traficant Jr. - Member of House of Representatives from Ohio. Expelled from Congress after being convicted of corruption charges. Sentenced today to eight years in prison for accepting bribes and kickbacks.
John Doug Hays - Democrat - member of Kentucky State Senate from 1980 to 1982 Found guilty of mail fraud for submitting false campaign reports stemming from an unsuccessful run for judge. He was sentenced to six months in prison to be followed by six months of home confinement and three years of probation.
Henry J. Cianfrani - Democrat - Pennsylvania State Senate from 1967 to 1976. Convicted on federal charges of racketeering and mail fraud for padding his Senate payroll. Sentenced to five years in federal prison.
David Hall - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1971 to 1975. Indicted on extortion and conspiracy charges. Convicted and sentenced to three years in prison.
John A. Celona - Democrat - A former state senator was charged with the three counts of mail fraud. Federal prosecutors accused him of defrauding the state and collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars from CVS Corp. and others while serving in the legislature. Celona has agreed to plead guilty to taking money from the CVS pharmacy chain and other companies that had interest in legislation. Under the deal, Celona agreed to cooperate with investigators. He faces up to five years in federal prison on each of the three counts and a $250,000 fine
Allan Turner Howe - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Utah from 1975 to 1977. Arrested for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.
Jerry Cosentino - Democrat - Illinois State Treasurer. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud - fined $5,000 and sentenced to nine months home confinement.
Joseph Waggonner Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Louisiana from 1961 to 19 79. Arrested in Washington, D.C. for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute
Albert G. Bustamante - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Texas from 1985 to 1993. Convicted in 1993 on racketeering and bribery charges and sentenced to prison.
Lawrence Jack Smith - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida from 1983 to 1993. Sentenced to three months in federal prison for tax evasion.
David Lee Walters - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1991 to 1995. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor election law violation.
James Guy Tucker, Jr. - Democrat - Governor of Arkansas from 1992 to 1996. Resigned in July 1996 after conviction on federal fraud charges as part of the Whitewater investigation.
Walter Rayford Tucker - Democrat - Mayor of Compton, California from 1991 to 1992; U.S. Representative from California from 1993 to 1995. Sentenced to 27 months in prison for extortion and tax evasion.
William McCuen - Democrat - Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1985 to 1995. Admitted accepting kickbacks from two supporters he gave jobs, and not paying taxes on the money. Admitted to conspiring with a political consultant to split $53,560 embezzled from the state in a sham transaction. He was indicted on corruption charges. Pleaded guilty to felony counts tax evasion and accepting a kickback. Sentenced to 17 years in prison.
Walter Fauntroy - Democrat - Delegate to U.S. Congress from the District of Columbia from 1971 to 1991. Charged in federal court with making false statements on financial disclosure forms. Pleaded guilty to one felony count and sentenced to probation.
Carroll Hubbard, Jr. - Democrat - Kentucky State Senate from 1968 to 1975 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1975 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to conspiring to defraud the Federal Elections Commission and to theft of government property; sentenced to three years in prison.
Joseph Kolter - Democrat - member of Pennsylvania State House of Representatives from 1969 to 1982 and U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1983 to 1993. Indicted by a Federal grand jury on five felony charges of embezzlement at the U.S. House post office. Pleaded guilty.
Webster Hubbell - Democrat - Chief Justice of Arkansas State Supreme Court in 1983. Pleaded guilty to federal mail fraud and tax evasion charges - sentenced to 21 months in prison.
Nicholas Mavroules - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1979 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to charges of tax fraud and accepting gratuities while in office.
Carl Christopher Perkins - Democrat - Kentucky State House of Representatives from 1981 to 1984 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1985 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud in connection with the House banking scandal. Perkins wrote overdrafts totaling about $300,000. Pleaded guilty to charges of filing false statements with the Federal Election Commission and false financial disclosure reports. Sentenced to 21 months in prison.
Richard Hanna - Democrat - U.S. Representative from California from 1963 to 1974. Received payments of about $200,000 from a Korean businessman in what became known as the "Koreagate" influence buying scandal. Pleaded guilty and sentenced to federal prison.
Angelo Errichetti - Democrat - New Jersey State Senator was sentenced to six years in prison and fined $40,000 for his involvement in Abscam.
Daniel Baugh Brewster - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Maryland. Indicted on charges of accepting illegal gratuity while in Senate.
Thomas Joseph Dodd - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Connecticut. Censured by the Senate for financial improprieties, having diverted $116,000 in campaign and testimonial funds to his own use
Edward Fretwell Prichard, Jr. - Democrat - Delegate to Democratic National Convention from Kentucky. Convicted of vote fraud in federal court in connection with ballot-box stuffing. Served five months in prison.
Jerry Springer - Democrat - Resigned from Cincinnati City Council in 1974 after admitting to paying a prostitute with a personal check, which was found in a police raid on a massage parlor.
Guy Hamilton Jones, Sr. - Democrat -Arkansas State Senate. Convicted on federal tax charges and expelled from the Arkansas Senate.
Daniel Flood - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1945 to 1947, 1949 to 1953 and 1955 to 1980. Pleaded guilty to a conspiracy charge involving payoffs and sentenced to probation.
Otto Kerner, Jr - Democrat - Governor of Illinois from 1961 to 1968. While serving as Governor, he and another official made a gain of over $300,000 in a stock deal. Convicted on 17 counts of bribery, conspiracy, perjury, and related charges. Sentenced to three years in federal prison and fined $50,000.
George Crockett, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan. Served four months in federal prison for contempt of court following his defense of a Communist leader on trial for advocating the overthrow of the government.
Cornelius Edward Gallagher - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1959 to 1973. Indicted on federal charges of income tax evasion, conspiracy, and perjury
Mark B. Jimenez - Democrat fundraiser - sentenced to 27 months in prison on charges of tax evasion and conspiracy to defraud the United States and commit election financing offenses.
Bobby Lee Rush - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois. As a Black Panther, spent six months in prison on a weapons charge.
Bolley ''Bo'' Johnson - Democrat - Former Florida House Speaker - received a two-year term for tax evasion.
Roger L. Green - Democrat - Brooklyn Democrat Assemblyman. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for accepting travel reimbursement for trips he did not pay for and was sentenced to fines and probation.
Gloria Davis - Democrat - Bronx assemblywoman. Pleaded guilty to second-degree bribe-taking.
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Thanks!
Proof positive that both the democrats and republicans suck.
Vote Libertarian, we hold the best parties!
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They say power corrupts and it appears that politicians are the proof. I like to believe there are a lot more good people than bad. So long as we remove the bad from power when we find them I won't worry too much. When we defend and try to keep them in power to protect our special interests I worry.
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One would think the Foley incident would be enough for one thread. Lets see, was it common knowledge in the Republican party that he a little "strange"?
Yea you'd think that would be enough for one thread. Wonder why some want to derail the thread?
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term limits would fix/limit this as well
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lmao i hear he was in teh rehab with mel gibson rofl!!!!!!!1:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Rameusb5
Toad: The other difference is that Foley is going to get criminal charges and I don't think there will be any sort of pardon.
And that's just on the first page. On the second page, the conversation leads degenerates into how much "Clinton got away with."
I'd like to point out that you are part of that conversation.
Pointing out that Foley will get criminal charges without pardon is defending him? What country do you come from?
"Clinton got away with it" is defending Foley? Funny, I see that as an indictment of our system and a highlighting the hypocrisy of those that would attack Foley while defending Clinton.
In neither case have I defended Foley.
I'd like to point out that none of the other posters you have quoted defended Foley either. They do make comparisons to Clinton...do you somehow see that as a defence of Foley's actions?
Because if you do you're not reading it right. They are condemning BOTH Foley and Clinton..which is how it ought to be.
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The CLINTON DID IT scream is the standard republican defense to every failing within the party. Sorry, Clinton was six years ago. That is not pointing out the dems' hypocracy as much as it is revealing the republicans'. We were supposed to be better off. We were throwing out the immoral, wacked out folks. Now it appears Hastert (and the rest of the republican leadership) turned a blind eye to Foley's behavior rather than start an investigation to clean up the House - an investigation which may have reflected poorly on a loyal republican. So who are the immoral whacked out folks this term?
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Originally posted by dhaus
The CLINTON DID IT scream is the standard republican defense to every failing within the party. Sorry, Clinton was six years ago. That is not pointing out the dems' hypocracy as much as it is revealing the republicans'. We were supposed to be better off. We were throwing out the immoral, wacked out folks. Now it appears Hastert (and the rest of the republican leadership) turned a blind eye to Foley's behavior rather than start an investigation to clean up the House - an investigation which may have reflected poorly on a loyal republican. So who are the immoral whacked out folks this term?
Time matters little when precedent is set and this precedent was set in 1983. The difference here is that both parties want this guys head unlike it being only the Republicans objecting in 1983. 1983 wasn't that long ago for some of us.
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Originally posted by lukster
Time matters little when precedent is set and this precedent was set in 1983. The difference here is that both parties want this guys head unlike it being only the Republicans objecting in 1983. 1983 wasn't that long ago for some of us.
The act actualy happened in '73.
Does this meen that anything Nixon did can be used to attack repubs at this time some 33 years later?
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Originally posted by Flatbar
The act actualy happened in '73.
Does this meen that anything Nixon did can be used to attack repubs at this time some 33 years later?
He admitted it in 1983. Where was the Democrat outrage then?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds
In case you don't make it through the entire article:
"Studds was re-elected five more terms after the censure. He fought for many issues, including environmental and maritime issues, gay marriage, AIDS funding, and civil rights, particularly for homosexuals."
Tell me how what this guy did is different from what Foley has done.
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it was on the streetcorner, breakdancing
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ROFL!! Both parties want his head? Not until it was made public. Heck, the Rs even hid it from the one democrat on the comittee that oversees the page program. Sorry, this is all about the Rs maintaining power in the House. You can revisit the past all you want, but this is happening now and the party in charge is the one that has FAMILY VALUES!! Hypocracy indeed.
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Originally posted by dhaus
ROFL!! Both parties want his head? Not until it was made public. Heck, the Rs even hid it from the one democrat on the comittee that oversees the page program. Sorry, this is all about the Rs maintaining power in the House. You can revisit the past all you want, but this is happening now and the party in charge is the one that has FAMILY VALUES!! Hypocracy indeed.
Uh, how were the vast majority of republicans supposed to want him out until it was made public? The hypocrisy is with any democrat not calling for Studds head through what, 1997?
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I guess what is so apparent about the Clinton comparison to me is that both then and now Conservatives defend neither one were/are for full punishment of both Clinton and Foley.
OTOH, the Liberals were NEVER for full punishment of Clinton (and in fact continue to defend him today) while calling for Foley's head.
If you can't see the difference, I can't help you.
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The conservative leaders in the House (Hastert, Boehnert, et al.) had information of Foley's improper contacts with underage pages three years ago, and never acted on them. How is that calling for his head? I, personally, believe that Clinton's transgressions were very different than the House cover up and did not warrant impeachment. I understand you disagree. So no, you can't help me, nor do I need that help. That discussion is for another thread.
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I am not defending the Reps in the House. They need to get slapped up side the head too.
I'm talking about the posters on this BBS.
However, I am not suprised you can't see anything wrong in what Clinton did and then lied about under oath.
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You misunderstand my comment. I said that Clinton's transgressions were very different from the House coverup and did not warrant impeachment. That is different than saying I did not think he was wrong.
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I'm not defending Foley, I want him out and prosecuted if appropriate as much as anyone.
HOWEVER, democrats knew about Studds doing the same thing for 14 years and never uttered a single word about him even leaving office. Can you say serious double standard?
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I'm somewhat ambivalent about the whole thing--good thing that Foley is gone, If Hastert goes, that's good but for a different reason---he's an ineffective leader, (which is why several Reps want him gone, using this thing as cover) the same way Trent Lott was in the Senate, who also was thrown under the bus. Heeh, here is Ann's take:
At least liberals are finally exhibiting a moral compass about something. I am sure that they'd be equally outraged if Rep. Mark Foley were a Democrat.
The object lesson of Foley's inappropriate e-mails to male pages is that when a Republican congressman is caught in a sex scandal, he immediately resigns and crawls off into a hole in abject embarrassment. Democrats get snippy.
Foley didn't claim he was the victim of a "witch-hunt." He didn't whine that he was a put-upon "gay American." He didn't stay in Congress and haughtily rebuke his critics. He didn't run for re-election. He certainly didn't claim he was "saving the Constitution." (Although his recent discovery that he has a drinking problem has a certain Democratic ring to it.)
In 1983, Democratic congressman Gerry Studds was found to have sexually propositioned House pages and actually buggered a 17-year-old male page whom he took on a trip to Portugal. The 46-year-old Studds indignantly attacked those who criticized him for what he called a "mutually voluntary, private relationship between adults."
When the House censured Studds for his sex romp with a male page, Studds -- not one to be shy about presenting his backside to a large group of men -- defiantly turned his back on the House during the vote. He ran for re-election and was happily returned to office six more times by liberal Democratic voters in his Martha's Vineyard district. (They really liked his campaign slogan: "It's the outfit, stupid.")
Washington Post columnist Colman McCarthy referred to Studds' affair with a teenage page as "a brief consenting homosexual relationship" and denounced Studds' detractors for engaging in a "witch-hunt" against gays: "New England witch trials belong to the past, or so it is thought. This summer on Cape Cod, the reputation of Rep. Gerry Studds was burned at the stake by a large number of his constituents determined to torch the congressman for his private life."
Meanwhile, Foley is hiding in a hole someplace.
No one demanded to know why the Democratic speaker of the House, Thomas "Tip" O'Neill, took one full decade to figure out that Studds was propositioning male pages.
But now, the same Democrats who are incensed that Bush's National Security Agency was listening in on al-Qaida phone calls are incensed that Republicans were not reading a gay congressman's instant messages.
Let's run this past the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals: The suspect sent an inappropriately friendly e-mail to a teenager -- oh also, we think he's gay. Can we spy on his instant messages? On a scale of 1 to 10, what are the odds that any court in the nation would have said: YOU BET! Put a tail on that guy -- and a credit check, too!
When Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee found unprotected e-mails from the Democrats about their plan to oppose Miguel Estrada's judicial nomination because he was Hispanic, Democrats erupted in rage that their e-mails were being read. The Republican staffer responsible was forced to resign.
But Democrats are on their high horses because Republicans in the House did not immediately wiretap Foley's phones when they found out he was engaging in e-mail chitchat with a former page about what the kid wanted for his birthday.
The Democrats say the Republicans should have done all the things Democrats won't let us do to al Qaeda -- solely because Foley was rumored to be gay. Maybe we could get Democrats to support the NSA wiretapping program if we tell them the terrorists are gay.
On Fox News' "Hannity and Colmes" Monday night, Democrat Bob Beckel said a gay man should be kept away from male pages the same way Willie Sutton should have been kept away from banks. "If Willie Sutton is around some place where a bank is robbed," Beckel said, "then you're probably going to say, 'Willie, stay away from the robbery.'"
Hmmmm, let's search the memory bank. In July 2000, the New York Times "ethicist" Randy Cohen advised a reader that pulling her son out of the Cub Scouts because they exclude gay scoutmasters was "the ethical thing to do." The "ethicist" explained: "Just as one is honor bound to quit an organization that excludes African-Americans, so you should withdraw from scouting as long as it rejects homosexuals."
We need to get a rulebook from the Democrats:
-- Boy Scouts: As gay as you want to be.
-- Priests: No gays!
-- Democratic politicians: Proud gay Americans.
-- Republican politicians: Presumed guilty.
-- White House press corps: No gays, unless they hate Bush.
-- Active-duty U.S. military: As gay as possible.
-- Men who date Liza Minelli: Do I have to draw you a picture, Miss Thing?
This is the very definition of political opportunism. If Republicans had decided to spy on Foley for sending overly friendly e-mails to pages, Democrats would have been screaming about a Republican witch-hunt against gays. But if they don't, they're enabling a sexual predator.
Talk to us Monday. Either we'll be furious that Republicans violated the man's civil rights, or we'll be furious that they didn't.
© 2006 ANN COULTER.
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But now, the same Democrats who are incensed that Bush's National Security Agency was listening in on al-Qaida phone calls are incensed that Republicans were not reading a gay congressman's instant messages.
:rofl :rofl
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Ann has it too easy, the democrats make such a large target.
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What's so apparent about the Clinton comparison to me? 16 year old. 22 year old.
If you can't tell the difference, you never will.
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Originally posted by rpm
What's so apparent about the Clinton comparison to me? 16 year old. 22 year old.
If you can't tell the difference, you never will.
There really isn't much comparison between Foley and Clinton. One had illicit sex with an underling while the other didn't.
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By all accounts, Foley did not have sex with the young man. He didn't solicit sex. He sent him dirty e-mails.
Admittedly, I'm not up on whether or not state or federal or D.C. law defines this as a crime. What DOES the law say about it?
I remember the Gerry Studds incident well. This senator actually did have sex with an underage page, and was blatantly defiant about it. He was censured by the Senate but allowed to keep his seat. And reelected.
It's also kind of hard to believe that Republican senators knew about Foley's foibles for years and the Democrats "didn't have a clue." Now the lid has suddenly been blown off of this scandal, a month away from what is already proving to be a bitter and acrimonious Congressional election.
How convenient....and timely.
I was disgusted by Studd's behavior. I'm equally disgusted by Foley's behavior. Studd's party rallied behind him and helped him remain in office. Foley's party appears to be cutting him loose...in effect leaving him to twist in the wind.
Spin it how you will, the two men have not been treated the same.
In my opinion, both should have been ejected from Congress.
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i wonder if those 2 ever hoooked up rofl
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This just in- according to Drudge Report, Foley may have be goaded into these conversations with the page. It may have been a prank that fell into the wrong hands. This could blow up in the Democrats face. It becomes suspicious that the "victim" in this case has now retained a defense lawyer. It may be Foley's only crime was being homosexual and the "embrace all" Democratic party may have crucified him for being gay. This story is far from over.
http://www.drudgereport.com/
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Originally posted by BTW
This just in- according to Drudge Report, Foley may have be goaded into these conversations with the page. It may have been a prank that fell into the wrong hands. This could blow up in the Democrats face. It becomes suspicious that the "victim" in this case has now retained a defense lawyer. It may be Foley's only crime was being homosexual and the "embrace all" Democratic party may have crucified him for being gay. This story is far from over.
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Only the democrats would buy this and even then only from another democrat.
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This is starting to get mildly interesting!
CLAIM: FILTHY FOLEY ONLINE CHATS WERE PAGE 'PRANK GONE AWRY'
**World Exclusive**
**Must Credit the DRUDGE REPORT**
According to two people close to former congressional page Jordan Edmund, the now famous lurid AOL Instant Message exchanges that led to the resignation of Mark Foley were part of an online prank that by mistake got into the hands of enemy political operatives, the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal.
According to one Oklahoma source who knows the former page very well, Edmund, a conservative Republican, goaded an unwitting Foley to type embarrassing comments that were then shared with a small group of young Hill politicos. The prank went awry when the saved IM sessions got into the hands of political operatives favorable to Democrats.
The primary source, an ally of Edmund, adamantly proclaims that the former page is not a homosexual. The prank scenario was confirmed by a second associate of Edmund. Both are fearful that their political careers will be affected if they are publicly brought into the investigation.
The prank scenario only applies to the Edmund IM sessions and does not necessarily apply to any other exchanges between the former congressman and others.
The news come on the heels that Edmund has hired former Timothy McVeigh attorney, Stephen Jones.
Developing...
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http://www.drudgereport.com/page.htm
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There's a phrase in chess, "check and mate."
The Democrats have lived off of "October surprise."
Now it may have bitten them badly. This story ain't over but I suspect the Democrats are starting to wish it never happened. An investigation cuts both ways, and I'm wondering how enthusiastic the Democrats are going to be about this investigation after the weekend. You know you actually had Democrats saying this week, that homosexuals should not be included in supervising pages.
Yes its gonna get real interesting:D
Why does the page have someone known as a defense lawyer??
The Democratic party could not survive this type of "mistake."
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BTW, if this turns out to be a red herring (your breathless expose about this being a prank), can we expect any sort of response or mea culpa from you? Or will you just sort of... I dunno, fade from the subject?
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I'll be here all weekend, Chairboy. Will you also?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
BTW, if this turns out to be a red herring (your breathless expose about this being a prank), can we expect any sort of response or mea culpa from you? Or will you just sort of... I dunno, fade from the subject?
As I said, Chairboy, I'll be on all weekend. Wanna have a pool as to how long it will take ABC to mention Drudge's report on this? I'm guessing Sunday AFTER the news shows. But I'll tell you this. ABC knows about the report right now.
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I'm sure it'l get mentioned somewhere, I'm talking about whether or not it grows legs. I'm really puzzled about why Foley resigned, apologized, and described how alcoholism and being molested as a child are all components of him being the victim of a prank.
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Could you be goaded into sending inappropriate e-mails and IM's to underage pages?
Even if Foley was goaded, it is still inapproriate behavior, and resignation would follow.
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This from http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Amid_questions_ABC_says_messages_couldnt_1005.html
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Nobody at ABC would specifically deny the Drudge contention about the now-infamous instant message conversation
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It goes on to say that ABC plans to introduce other conversations with pages.
I don't know where this going to go either. I don't know if ABC is in CYA mode or not. But I'll tell you it is NOT what it was first presented as, a Congressman sexually harassing a 16 year old boy. That's what its not. So right now the whole story just stinks and it should be investigated fully. The emails we all saw were not with a minor. That was a lie. So now we have to see how far the lies go. Now we have to see who put out the lie. The IM's were with an 18 year old page, not a 16 year old page. There's a legal difference of course.
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Holden... u saxy thang! Whoo-hoo!
Nope, Foley has to be fully investigated. If there are criminal activities, he should be punished to the full extent of the law.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Could you be goaded into sending inappropriate e-mails and IM's to underage pages?
Even if Foley was goaded, it is still inapproriate behavior, and resignation would follow.
Important point- those IM published were with an *18-year-old * page not an under aged page. Ethically there is no difference but legally its a huge difference. And this whole "pedophile" smear now seems as nothing but an assassination.
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Originally posted by BTW
This from http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Amid_questions_ABC_says_messages_couldnt_1005.html
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Nobody at ABC would specifically deny the Drudge contention about the now-infamous instant message conversation
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It goes on to say that ABC plans to introduce other conversations with pages.
I don't know where this going to go either. I don't know if ABC is in CYA mode or not. But I'll tell you it is NOT what it was first presented as, a Congressman sexually harassing a 16 year old boy. That's what its not. So right now the whole story just stinks and it should be investigated fully. The emails we all saw were not with a minor. That was a lie. So now we have to see how far the lies go. Now we have to see who put out the lie. The IM's were with an 18 year old page, not a 16 year old page. There's a legal difference of course.
Drudge, a website I never heard of, Limbaugh. I'm sure there's something on NewsMax, too. Naaa, the RNC would'nt be in full spin mode right now.
I'd wait for the congressional hearings outcome before I go defending the guy. What about Hastert? Nobody defending him?
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This is gonna keep dripping till Nov 2-- all you've heard and more is in possession of someone well organized, and it won't be hard to get it into print. Apparently there is a tax-exempt group called "Crew" that has info on every gay politician who is in the closet, and THEY all gonna come out (whether they know it or not). ABC won't run it at first, but after it becomes a talked-about-enough story (and the Pubs look even worse than they do NOW..) it'll be on 6:00 news. I hope noone is under the impression that this stuff is about 'protecting children'--it's politics, nothing more--had they been THAT concerned about the page-kids, they wouldn't have sat on the Foley loser until a month before election day. You give the other side an opening and they lunge for it. It's not hard to see why a lotta good people want nada to do with politics.
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Originally posted by rpm
Drudge, a website I never heard of, Limbaugh. I'm sure there's something on NewsMax, too. Naaa, the RNC would'nt be in full spin mode right now.
I'd wait for the congressional hearings outcome before I go defending the guy. What about Hastert? Nobody defending him?
You've never heard of Drudge? Well here's a clue..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drudge_Report
its not a new source:rolleyes:
edit - sorry reread your post. I got lost in the commas :) Thought you never heard of Drudge :)
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Yep, I suspect the closet Republican gay list is going to blow up all over the Democratic party. Its going to be very hard to get those stains out. US politics at its finest hour:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Toad
Nope, Foley has to be fully investigated. If there are criminal activities, he should be punished to the full extent of the law.
Absolutely. But a resignation at the outset (I would think) would be an appropriate response.
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Originally posted by BTW
You've never heard of Drudge? Well here's a clue..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drudge_Report
its not a new source:rolleyes:
edit - sorry reread your post. I got lost in the commas :) Thought you never heard of Drudge :)
I was on a roll.
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Here's an interesting link and where the Foley story started.
http://stopsexpredators.blogspot.com
Now note a few things as you review this site. You need to read the archive links on the home page.
The site pops up in July as a place to expose sex predators. There is a total of ONE post in July. In August, the blogger posts a brief list of 6 people already arrested for sex crimes. Then, as the JonBenet /Karr incident comes to light, this site (which is dedicated to exposing sexual predators), treats the case by posting a short cut and paste of the incident from CNN news.
It then jumps straight to Congressional sex predators where it never leaves.
According to all news accounts, this is the site that broke the story on Foley. It doesn't take a genius to see that this site was put up with only that purpose in mind. One of history's biggest unsolved child sex murders comes back in the news, and the owner of the site sees fit to give it a short cut and paste from CNN. Odd.
But then, after googling "congressional sex scandals" the blogger's post come alive with emotion. In some places, all caps are used! :D
This site is very brief. It shouldn't take a reader more than 15 minutes to skim the entire site. The site looks like it was put up for one purpose- that is to out Foley. It also looks like it tried to lamely disguise itself as something else.
The only question is, who owns the site?
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Anyone remember Reuters? Thats the press agency that doctored photos to make damage look worse in Lebanon. They're also the news agency that refused to identify the employee who sent death threats to the owner of the Little Green Footballs blog.
Here a line from one of their stories yesterday.
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Ask some Republicans what is behind the scandal that forced a congressman from their party to resign for sending dirty e-mails to underage boys and they'll give you a list of the usual suspects.
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Now whats wrong with that line?
1. There were no dirty emails, but dirty IM's
2. The dirty IM's were not to an underage boy but to an 18 year old man.
But when has Reuters allowed facts to get in the way of a good story?
If fact, its starting to get concerning that the bait and switch scam is being used so much in this story.
Looking up through this thread, people were stating the difference between Clinton and Foley, is that the page Foley was having sex chats with was a minor. Now that we know that's an outright lie, that the page was an adult, what is the difference? I can think of one - Clinton actually had sex with an of age intern. Foly talked of having sex with an of age page. Clinton is portrayed as a victim and Foley is portrayed as a pedophile.
No doubt this whole thing is one big bait and switch scam. And all the people who were earlier stating "Clinton had sex with an adult - NOT A CHILD," are silent. Do you really think it fair that the guy was painted as a pedophile? Are you still confident in that?
This thread started with this..
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Republicans knew this dude was exchanging lewd messages with young boys for a year, rumors that he was some kinda pervert circulated for years prior to that. When it made its way to some bipartisan committee thats responsible for that junk, the Repubs failed to tell the other side.. ignoring what's right to protect their political sphincter, hide the truth and allow the perv to continue being a perv.
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I think this person is misinformed because ABC wanted him to be misinformed. They knew the im and emails were to two different people. They knew the emails were innocuous, and the lewd exchanges were with an 18 year old. But ABC obscured the fact.
Full Reuters article here
http://reuters.myway.com/article/20061005/2006-10-05T203749Z_01_N05389255_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-SCANDAL-CONSPIRATORS-DC.html
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Hestert says he can't remember his fellow Repub advising of a Foley issue way back when.
I can believe him, anyone here whose been a supervisor can probably relate too...
When a subordinate starts to tell you damaging information, the first thing you do is cover your ears and yell "LALALA!!! IM NOT LISTENING LALA!!" as you run the other way.
"I dont remember him telling me that" is a valid answer. If pressed, however, I think Hastert will have to admit "I do remember yelling LA!LA!LA! and running away'''