Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Meatwad on October 03, 2006, 12:23:53 AM
-
FW 200C-3 Condor, long range German bomber
Typed word for word (not taylorese) from the book "Aircraft of World War 2" You can find more info about it online by searching.
In the early years of World War II, the long range Focke-Wulf Condor was a far greater threat to Allied shipping then the German U-boats, which were not fully deployed.
Originally developed to meet an unfulfilled Japanese requirement, the Focke Wulf FW 200 Condor was a maritime bomber/reconnaissance version of the pre-war civil airliner, production of which has been taken over by the Luftwaffe. The first unit to receive the production FW-200C-1 was the Luftwaffe's Long-Range Reconnaissance Squadron (Fernaufklarungsstaffel), which began operations in April 1940 and was redesigned I/KG 40 later in the month.
The next variant, the FW-200C-2, differed from the C-1 in having two bomb racks of improved design under each wing. A structurally strengthened version, the FW 200C-3, was placed in production by mid 1941, and this variant of the Condor was produced in greater numbers then its predecessors.
AIR-TO-SURFACE MISSLE (AH2 will never see, but the bomber would be great without it.)
The final operational version of the Condor was the Fw 200 C-6, developed from the C-3 to carry a Henschel Hs 293B air to surface missle under each outer nacelle, the underwing bomb racks being removed. The combination of Hs 293 and Fw 200 was the first used operationally on December 28, 1943. The total number of Condors produced during the war years was 252 aircraft. Many were relegated to transport duties n 1942, nine being lost in attempts to resupply the German garrison at Stalingrad.
Technical information for Fw 200C-3
Powerplant: Four 895kW (1200hp) BMW-Bramo 323R-2 Fafnir nine-cylinder radial engines (FW 200C-3/U4)
Performance: makimum speed 360km/h (224mph) at 4700m (15,420ft). Service ceiling 6000m (19,685ft). Range 4440km (2759 miles)
Weights: Empty 17,005kg (37,496lbs), maximum take-off 22,700kg (50,044lb)
Dimensions: Wing span 32.84m (107ft 8in), length 23.85m (78ft 3in), height 6.30m (20ft 8in)
Armament: Two 7.92mm machine guns, three 12.7mm machine guns and one 20mm machine gun, plus an maximum internal and enternal bomb load of 2100kg (4630lb)
The forward firing 7.92 (0.31 in) MG 15 in the fully enclosed forward cupola (below) was manned by the co-pilot when the aircraft was threatened by frontal attack. The rear fuselage area was used as a storage for small stores like flares, light buoys, and direction finding buoys. These were dropped through a hatch in the fuselage underside.
(http://perso.orange.fr/christophe.arribat/bird2-fw200.jpg)
(http://www.tarrif.net/wwii/img/pictures/fw200c.jpg)
The forward gondola gun position (above) mounted an Oerlikon 20mm FF cannon. The protruding object on the bottom of the forward gondola gun (below) is a Lofte 7D bomb sight.
(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2061.jpg)
The condors weapons bay was situated in the ventral gondola (above); the rear gun position immediately behind it was manned by the flight engineer. On armed reconnaissance missions, however, four 250kg bombs were normally carried. Two on the outboard engine nacelles and two on the wing racks.
-
Mmmmm, Mosquito food.
A plane so weak it sometimes broke it's back on landing.
-
it had a hella long range....
there was a mission they were going to bombe the panama canal out of service, but they war ended before they could do it.
I suggested it quite a while back, still think it would make a nice addition.
seems we lost some old suggestion posts, this forum only goes back to 2005, the "old" suggestion forum was where I posted. guess when they renamed or remade this one those posts were lost :furious I went through alot of trouble back they to type that whole post out. has like 5 planes in it, the condor, the re.2005 and I can't remember exactly which others, the he111, and some other more common suggestions IIRC.
-
I have a big book of WW2 aircraft, tonight if I have time I may do one on the He-111 or another that we dont have right now. If I do, I will try and get as much data/info as above if not more
-
How about the early war B-17. I mean come on, lancs perked out and 88s the only other varible. The b-17s coming into pearl when the japs hit wouldnt be to bad. They we'rent excalcty the same but lets get some good bombers in the EWA. I would actaully like to fly in there soem time!!! :aok
-
I think the HE-111 would be ideal for EW. Strategic bombing and the big boys hadn't really shown up yet, perhaps a B-25 as well.
-
Originally posted by scottydawg
I think the HE-111 would be ideal for EW. Strategic bombing and the big boys hadn't really shown up yet, perhaps a B-25 as well.
Vickers Wellington B.Mk III would be ideal. Slow (240ish top speed) so it can be caught, defended by .303 turrets, tough as heck and carries a useful war load (4,500lbs).
-
I wouldnt mind either, but would like to have an HE-111, and would die for a B-25!
-
Originally posted by Karnak
Vickers Wellington B.Mk III would be ideal. Slow (240ish top speed) so it can be caught, defended by .303 turrets, tough as heck and carries a useful war load (4,500lbs).
Yes, but do you know WHY it was so tough and hard to kill?
-
The EWA would get so much more traffic if we had some better planes! I was playing last night and was porking and had nobody afer me except unmanned ack. Major Porkage!!!
-
Originally posted by army900
The EWA would get so much more traffic if we had some better planes! I was playing last night and was porking and had nobody afer me except unmanned ack. Major Porkage!!!
They have those in MW and LW. I stay away from LW because the dweebage factor is really high in there. But I agree that the EWA would benefit most from some new planes, as long as they were in line with the timelines of the arena.
The plane set in the EW and MW give them both a much different (and imo, better) character than the LW arena.
"Build it, they will come", indeed. We'll see. I hope that the LW arena becomes sort of an advanced TA, people will leave there once they've mastered the easy mode planes and are looking for more of a challenge and less noise.
-
The Condor would be an awsome CV killer in the EW arena. It looks like its got some good defencive armaments, and carriers a good load. The He111 would also be awsome in the EW, or maybe the Do-17z. B-25 would be so awsome, and maybe the vickers wellington.
I vote Yes for the Condor.
-
I agree with both of you...:aok
-
Originally posted by scottydawg
Yes, but do you know WHY it was so tough and hard to kill?
Yes, the geodetic (sp?) and fabric construction invented by Barnes Wallis of Dambusters fame.
He also designed the 12,000lb and 22,000lb bombs people often request for the Lanc.
-
Condor
-
I would like to see a larger German bomber too.
-
Originally posted by DaddyAck
I would like to see a larger German bomber too.
Large does not equal better.
The Ju88A-4 is in all ways other than range, superior to the Fw200 as a warplane. It is tougher, faster carries a larger warload and is at least as well defended.
The Do217, Ju188 or He177 would be a far, far better addition than the Fw200 would be.
Even the lowly He111 or Do17 would be a better addition than the Fw200.
-
The only advantage over the planes Karnak mentioned is its extremely long range.
But hey, I doubt anyone in AH would spend the rest of his day flying over 2759 miles!
-
I would
-
I have to say yes, we're over-due for a four-engined bomber, and especially on the axis' side.
-
But the fact is that the axis were always weak on the heavy bomber side.
-
IMO that the He-177 would've stood a good chance, was it not for its continuous engine fires
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/68_1160738553_he177-a5-17.jpg)
-
Originally posted by Martyn
But the fact is that the axis were always weak on the heavy bomber side.
It doesent matter, we're past due to get a heavy bomber for the axis' side.
-
If not a heavy bomber, I would like to see the He-111, and Ju-52 which can be used as a light bomber or as a german substitute for the c-47
-
i would like to see the he-177 or the condor in AH2
-
There's not much demand for planes like the Condor (or the PBY) because they were mainly used for long-range maritime recce. Yes I know they attacked and carried bombs too, but as bombers go they weren't as effective as the others we already have.
To get around this people in the past have suggested that recce planes have the ability 'indicate' enemy fleets on the map - i.e. they fly over and then the pilot selects an option and the enemy fleet is marked on the map (albeit static - the icon doesn't move) for, say, 10 minutes. This will give recce planes a legitimate function in the sim.
Personally I think this should also apply to strategic targets such as Ammo/Training/Radar factories (not cities though - everyone would know where they are!).
The fleet spotting function will enable planes such as that big japanese float plane (I forget it's name), the Condor, the PBY (Catalina), that Arado float plane, Short Sunderland etc. etc. to be really useful.
If the factories are invisible, until highlighted, in the same way then we get to have a use for the planes like the Mossquito PR, Spit PR, P38 (the recce version - F5?), etc. etc. But I also think that flattening those factories doesn't seem to have much effect on the game.
-
A Luftanza airliner drafted by the Luftwaffa for Convoy destruction duties.
We'd need a Sea Haurricane then for catapult use off the Destroyer Escorts or Q-Ships.
-
Originally posted by Martyn
There's not much demand for planes like the Condor (or the PBY) because they were mainly used for long-range maritime recce. Yes I know they attacked and carried bombs too, but as bombers go they weren't as effective as the others we already have.
Uncle flew PBY's w/ the "Black Cat Squadron" & dropped Torps during Night attacks on Nip convoys & their escorts, as well as on the I.J.N.
-
I'd really love to have the PBY, Sunderland, Condor, etc. It'd add a new dimension to the game.
One could 'Up' a PBY from coastal base (off the sea?), make a coffee and a sandwich, come back, chill out to some music while cruising around the ocean looking for enemy CVs. Bigger oceans become viable too and Midway type battles become more practical.
Furballers would hate it - but hey! There's more to AH than just furballing... or is there?
-
Originally posted by Col. Flashman
A Luftanza airliner drafted by the Luftwaffa
First of all it's Lufthansa, and second of all 747's were post-war.:p
-
Originally posted by Denholm
First of all it's Lufthansa, and second of all 747's were post-war.:p
Excuse me for leaving out a letter & using a "z" instead of an "s" while typing this in between 0300-0400 this morning & our you always nasty little nit picker?
What the 'ell has a 747 have to do w/ a Condor being the main Airliner of the '30s for Lufthansa transporting passengers to their destinations?
-
The 747 has very much to do with the subject. When you mention an airliner, everyone thinks of modern day, the majority of Lufthansa's fleet intended for long-haul to carry maximum passengers is the B-747. Their currently buying the A-380, yet there are only about 3 airports that can currently support the HUGE aircraft.
So, next time please describe why your mentioning the airliner, first thoughts will always be modern day!:aok
-
In the context of AH, set in the 1940's, my last thought was 747. I certainly did not think modern day - it makes no sense in AH. I thought the 747 reference was really weird.
-
My belief exactly, he interprited it that way because he wished to.
We were discussing the "Condor", which just happened to have been the Primary Airliner during the '30s for Lufthanza before it had been Press Ganged into service as Long Range Bombing Missions of Convoys by the Luftwaffa.