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Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: devil956 on October 04, 2006, 06:58:49 PM
Personally i think the m4 sherman should be added as it was an integral part of the US ground effort any1 agree?
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Yoshimbo on October 04, 2006, 07:03:57 PM
i've seen this requested a thousand times and others have seen it millions

but that ok, won't get it less you ask, right?

I say yes, sherman would be good, but we need different variations of it along with the "regular" version though

:aok
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: 68slayr on October 04, 2006, 07:05:03 PM
I think there are better tanks to put in.

Wouldn't the sherman be a big m8 in the game.  I know i will choose pnzr over sherman anyday.
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: 68KO on October 04, 2006, 07:06:41 PM
I agree sherman , sherman or as known to the germans as  tommy cookers
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Yoshimbo on October 04, 2006, 07:06:50 PM
but what if we had the the flamethrower option with it?
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Billy Joe Bob on October 04, 2006, 08:22:58 PM
and do what with it? set the evil invisable trees on fire?
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: E25280 on October 04, 2006, 08:54:54 PM
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Originally posted by 68slayr
I think there are better tanks to put in.

Wouldn't the sherman be a big m8 in the game.  I know i will choose pnzr over sherman anyday.
The standard Sherman would be as good as the current T-34, but with better rate of fire, better crew visability, and a .50 cal pintle gun.

Take a version with the 76mm gun instead of the 75mm, and you have the equal of the PzkwVI.

Take the British Firefly version and you have better tank-killing capability than the current Tiger.

Plenty of room for the Sherman.
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: army900 on October 04, 2006, 09:29:54 PM
OUT WITH THE T-34 IN WITH THE FLAMETHROWER!!!! and a bomb

Can I have a cookie?
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Billy Joe Bob on October 05, 2006, 12:27:39 AM
u get a nookie ...
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/b1leeb0b/nookie.gif)
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Scherf on October 05, 2006, 04:09:12 AM
^

One of the greatest intardnet gifs evar.
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: captkaos on October 05, 2006, 11:43:27 AM
Lets not forget the Sherman Jumbo.  And while we are requesting American tanks, how about the Pershing and Super Pershing.
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: moneyguy on October 05, 2006, 04:52:59 PM
i would like a sherman. would be great in the early arena  :aok
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: OOZ662 on October 05, 2006, 05:10:56 PM
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Originally posted by army900
Can I have a cookie?


The 4,000 pound bomb on the Lancaster is the Cookie.
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: army900 on October 05, 2006, 06:26:58 PM
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Originally posted by OOZ662
The 4,000 pound bomb on the Lancaster is the Cookie.


Not excactly what I meant, like I want a giant cookie. You know chocolate chip cookies! How about in the tower. Anyways... I wouldn't mind any new tanks in the EWA. I just want some new planes in there. Check out my B-25 post!!!
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Dan216TH on October 10, 2006, 06:34:26 PM
The M4A3 "Sherman" with it's 76mm gun would be nice and we need it in this game.
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Dan216TH on October 10, 2006, 06:34:28 PM
The M4A3 "Sherman" with it's 76mm gun would be nice and we need it in this game.
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Karash on October 10, 2006, 06:43:39 PM
Would be even better if you could air drop one from a C47 :D
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Billy Joe Bob on October 11, 2006, 12:25:27 AM
now if only it could pick it up:rolleyes:
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: DaddyAck on October 12, 2006, 09:08:06 AM
We greatly need more GVs, especially american ones. :)
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Jester on October 14, 2006, 02:58:08 AM
The U.S. M-36 JACKSON with it's 90mm "Tiger Killer" wouldn't be missed either.  

It's 90mm gun could pierce 6 inches of armor at 1000 yards or with two shots it could pierce 5 foot of concrete. Only drawback was early models had no bow machine gun and it had an open top. This was rectified in later models.

(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3949/m36b1cc6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Would be easy to make the M4 SHERMAN off same model - Hull, inside positions and drive are the same. If the M-36B1 was modeled (Same Hull as M-4) Only a second turret would have to be made with a 75 or 76mm gun added.

The M-36 could be made a "Perk Tank" for the US Side similar to the TIGER for the Germans.

Could have two vehicles pretty easily off the same design work. Much less than it would to make two seperate vehicles. Be a HELL of a lot more useful in the game than the Jeep we got awhile back for sure.  ;)

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Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: army900 on October 14, 2006, 11:29:30 AM
Forget the sherman how about that up there ^^^
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: DaddyAck on October 14, 2006, 02:11:26 PM
A tank destroyer would be cool, but the sherman would be a good start.
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Latrobe on October 14, 2006, 04:16:43 PM
basicly what we need is more tanks. We need british tanks, and American tanks but what we don't need is a NUKE!
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Jester on October 14, 2006, 08:02:16 PM
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
A tank destroyer would be cool, but the sherman would be a good start.


Yea, would be really cool to have the M4 Sherman in the game like in the pic below.  :aok

(http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3184/shermanyv7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

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Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: AceGec3D on October 15, 2006, 10:42:40 AM
THE SHERMAN ROCKS! at a top speed of 40mph, who wouldnt want a sherman!
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Bruv119 on October 15, 2006, 10:49:41 AM
I agree having a sherman would be good.

Also the British Churchill because we havent got no British armour whatsoever..

Need these planes/gvs for early / mid war to make the choice more varied for these main arenas....


Bruv
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Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: MOIL on October 15, 2006, 06:25:43 PM
Good call :aok
Title: m4 sherman
Post by: ScorpCH on October 15, 2006, 07:37:21 PM
well lets thing of the ways we can apply the sherman to the game. first off its faster then anyother tank in the game at 40 mph. correct me if im wrong but isnt the t34 only capable of 30-35 mph? the extra speed allows it to out run its adversaries out out manuver them. the gun is about average.  in my opinion the m4 sherman with its gun and better firing rate then a t34 would make it a great machine for getting to a town fast from the spawn point and killing it, especialy in large numbers of 5-7 shermans.

the gun is average but only that. you can kill a tank with it but on the other hand the armor on a sherman aint much better then paper so it wont be next to invinsible like the tiger.  i have to agree though we do need more armor choices, specialy american.

the sherman would be a great addition to AH2, not a glorious new weapon, but not a dud ethier.  i realy hope HiTech will consider putting this into the game.
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: baron7 on October 15, 2006, 08:42:39 PM
i think the sherman firefly or the m36 would be cool we need an american tank
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: E25280 on October 15, 2006, 11:13:56 PM
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Originally posted by AceGec3D
THE SHERMAN ROCKS! at a top speed of 40mph, who wouldnt want a sherman!
Source?  I thought the Sherman's top speed was around 25mph (maybe 40 kph is what you meant?).

If you want fast, hands-down the M-18 Hellcat.  Fully tracked and 50mph IIRC.  Light armor, but adequate 76mm gun.
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: mentalguy on October 16, 2006, 07:59:31 PM
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Originally posted by E25280
Source?  I thought the Sherman's top speed was around 25mph (maybe 40 kph is what you meant?).

If you want fast, hands-down the M-18 Hellcat.  Fully tracked and 50mph IIRC.  Light armor, but adequate 76mm gun.



No, the sherman is that fast. But the hellcat would be cool too.
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: E25280 on October 16, 2006, 11:41:39 PM
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Originally posted by mentalguy
No, the sherman is that fast. But the hellcat would be cool too.
Again, source?  Britanica.com lists top speed of 24-29MPH.  Wikepedia 28MPH.  AllExperts, 30MPH.  Except for this thread, I do not believe I have ever seen a claim the M-4 Sherman could go 40mph.  If there is a variant that could do it, please post the info.:)
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Raptor on October 16, 2006, 11:49:58 PM
Sherman had a top speed of 29mph

M-18 Hellcat had a top speed of 60mph on roads. The Hellcat had a high velocity 76mm which was more effective than that of the M4.

For representative purposes, I would rather see the M4
For Gameplay purposes, I would rather see the M18
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Jester on October 17, 2006, 10:07:39 AM
M4 SHERMAN

Would most likely be the best all around model to work on for the next vehicle to be added. Not just for the numbers that were used in WW2 or that it was used on both ETO fronts, MTO and in the PTO but..... if AH took the time they could get 4 vehicles on one hull.

You could have the standard M4A3 Hull with different turrets to get more vehicles:

M4A3 Sherman - 75 mm gun  (Free)
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5540/m4a3shermandv1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
M4A3 Sherman - 105 mm Low velocity Gun (Free)
(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7514/m4a3sherman105gunmz4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Sherman Firefly - 17 pdr gun  (Slightly Perked)
(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/442/shermanvcfireflyct7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
M36B1 Jackson - 90mm gun  (Higher Perked)
(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/341/m36dk2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


BTY, The M4 Sherman's Road Speed was only 30mph and the M18 Hellcat was only like 55mph. Both were slower cross country.
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: ScorpCH on October 17, 2006, 03:39:47 PM
yeah sorry about that fellas, it was 40kph my bad i missed that one :p
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: AApache on October 19, 2006, 05:41:55 AM
I your gonna bring the sherman you might as well toss a Panther in thee also:furious
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: AApache on October 19, 2006, 05:42:32 AM
Mix a panther in there also
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Martyn on October 19, 2006, 07:05:21 AM
Sherman top speed 29mph on a good day. Cross country (as most of our diving is) then speed drops considerably due to loss of traction, bumps, etc.. Although everyone appears to drive at road speeds across country at the moment.

A Sherman DD would enable amphibious attacks from CVs.

Does anyone know if a DD could fire the main armament while afloat? I suspect not.

And what about that Sherman with rockets on the turret ... :)
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: E25280 on October 19, 2006, 08:10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Martyn
Does anyone know if a DD could fire the main armament while afloat? I suspect not.
It could not.  The canvas "skirt" extended well over the top of the tank, so that it could displace enough water to float.  I believe the entire tank itself was actually suspended below the water.

Take a tall cup, fill it half way with water, and put it in your bathtub and you will see why the DDs had stability problems and needed calm waters to be effective -- and way many swamped and sank in the surf on D-Day.

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Originally posted by Martyn
And what about that Sherman with rockets on the turret ... :)
Called a Sherman "Calliope" due to the "organ pipes"/rocket tubes on top.  60 4.5 inch rockets (going from memory -- not positive about the rocket size).
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Jester on October 19, 2006, 11:47:39 AM
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Originally posted by AApache
I your gonna bring the sherman you might as well toss a Panther in thee also:furious


Apache, Being a big fan of the Panzerwaffe - No one would like to see a PANTHER (especially an Ausf. G) like yours truly.  :aok
(http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/820/panthergvx7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

However, with that said.... The Germans here in AH already have two of the best tanks in WW2 - the PzKpfw IV Ausf. H (Medium) and the Tiger I Ausf. E (Heavy).

The inclusion of the M4 Sherman would fill a gap that could cover most Allied tanks from 1942 on in the ETO, MTO or PTO. If HTC would develop the M4 like I suggested above - they could get several vehicles for just a little more development by switching turrets - (Same with the T-34/85) - I would think this would be the way to go both historically and in a business since as you can put more vehicles in the game with less development effort.

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Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Martyn on October 20, 2006, 03:08:30 AM
Doh! Thinking about for a half a second longer - it's blindingly obvious the DD couldn't fire while in the sea - even if the gun was able to fire over the rim (which it couldn't) the recoil would tip it over. The only good effect would be to reduce the enemy to fits of laughter as they heard repeated 'bang', 'plop' - 'bang', 'plop'. A self-destructing invasion force. :D
Sorry - stupid question.
I don't think the wave height will present too much stability issues

Calliope! That's the one.
Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Jester on October 25, 2006, 02:17:10 PM
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Originally posted by Jester


However, with that said.... The Germans here in AH already have two of the best tanks in WW2 - the PzKpfw IV Ausf. H (Medium) and the Tiger I Ausf. E (Heavy).

The inclusion of the M4 Sherman would fill a gap that could cover most Allied tanks from 1942 on in the ETO, MTO or PTO. If HTC would develop the M4 like I suggested above - they could get several vehicles for just a little more development by switching turrets - (Same with the T-34/85) - I would think this would be the way to go both historically and in a business since as you can put more vehicles in the game with less development effort.

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Any comments HTC? "Treadheads" everywhere would like to know.

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Title: M4 Sherman
Post by: Rino on October 25, 2006, 02:25:10 PM
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Originally posted by E25280
Again, source?  Britanica.com lists top speed of 24-29MPH.  Wikepedia 28MPH.  AllExperts, 30MPH.  Except for this thread, I do not believe I have ever seen a claim the M-4 Sherman could go 40mph.  If there is a variant that could do it, please post the info.:)


     I'm with the E man here..28mph is the most common quoted speed
I've seen.
Title: top 10 tanks of WWII
Post by: handy169 on October 25, 2006, 04:14:00 PM
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/3120/tanks.html
Title: Re: top 10 tanks of WWII
Post by: Jester on October 26, 2006, 11:08:58 AM
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Originally posted by handy169
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/3120/tanks.html


Can't agree with alot on this list other than the PANTHER being the best tank out of WW2.  The 75mm L/70 ,while good, WAS NOT a better gun than the 88mm L/71 on the Konigstiger.

Also while the Soviet IS-2 was an improvement - it wasn't a better tank than the Konigstiger in that it took so long to load it's large 122mm gun with two-piece artillery like ammunition the German tanks with their 88mm guns could usually get off several shots.

Still, back to the subject of this post - How about it HTC - we going to see any of the M4 SHERMAN Family anytime soon?  PLEASE!  :D

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