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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: WTC on October 06, 2006, 01:03:06 PM
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Dude i posted a post with the word *** does that get blocked out now?
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cant even say the short word for JAPANESE?
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nope.
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If you see those funny little *****'s its a sure sign you used a word that's frowned upon in this cave.
And in this cave you are a little pink bare bear and HTC is the grizzly. Their teeth are bigger than yours.
If you continue they will chew you up and spit you out looking like an amorphous mass of flash that is even undesirable to the most love sick dinosaur.
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Can you simplify that in english plz?
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Originally posted by WTC
Can you simplify that in english plz?
If my reply was to complicated, refer to Waffles.
One word and one syllable.
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seriously man that was assanine make ur post less wordy
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At least my spelling and grammar were correct.
Don't worry though, once you get out of kindergarden they will teach you these things.
Apologies, I used multisyllabic words again.
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I must say i feel sorry for you. you dont have to act hard or anything of that sort your lil friends are not in here at the moment
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WTC: Let me put it so you can understand.
1. Read the rules posted at the top of this forum.
2. Obay those rules.
3. If you disobay those rules , your posts will be deleted.
4. If you are constantly disobaying the rules you will no longer be a guest of this bbs.
HiTech
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Word.
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Hey WTC...I would be offended if you were to use that three letter word. Whatever thread that contained it could or would degrade to a debate on ethnic slurs. Get it now?
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Where do you draw the line? You going to **** it out anytime somebody says "cracker"? Or you going to **** it out anytime somebody says "redneck"? Or you going to **** it out anytime somebody says "gomer"?
Sometimes going PC ("politically correct") is the wrong thing to do, and is going too far.
As for WTC I don't much like most of his posts, but on the topic of censorship I had to add this comment.
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if you ran the board krusty - you could run it as you wish. This is HTC's baord and just like any other private establishment, you have no rights, you just have to obey the rules if you wish to frequent said establishment.
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Yes, I realize that. HTC makes the calls, sure. He's also shown that he values customer feedback and has changed his mind on some things in the past, based on reason and logic.
He is not a stone wall. He has mental faculties. I was simply pointing out that you can't just start censoring, because you can't draw a solid line where it ends and where it begins.
Are we to stop allowing the word "Yankee"? Or are we to stop allowing the word "Ruskie/Rusky" Or what about stopping the use of "IT" for Italian nationality? One needs to be careful when going down this road.
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Actually, it's pretty simple...they just type in words that they dont want on their bullitin board. That's why theres that rule about circumventing the language filter :)
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See Rule #4
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Originally posted by Krusty
Where do you draw the line? You going to **** it out anytime somebody says "cracker"? Or you going to **** it out anytime somebody says "redneck"? Or you going to **** it out anytime somebody says "gomer"?
Sometimes going PC ("politically correct") is the wrong thing to do, and is going too far.
As for WTC I don't much like most of his posts, but on the topic of censorship I had to add this comment.
I think you need to move along.
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Well, what a co-inky-dink, I think you should never have stopped here, as well! :cool:
EDIT:
Poke... poke..... where's that "fun"? I'm poking it, just so's y'all know.
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Originally posted by WTC
Can you simplify that in english plz?
Quit posting dumb ****.
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Originally posted by WTC
1st i dont give a dang if u like my posts or not im saying the correct word for the japanese in this game. 2nd i might as well use the other word WW2 pilots used in the pacific "riceballs"
Maybe you would be better off to think on why rascism and hatreds over things decades in the past are a bad thing.
It might be more beneficial to you than whining.
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lol. What a fence post.
I say hit em with the ban-by-four clue stick!
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Originally posted by Donzo
Word.
Fo shizzle.
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I need a little nip after reading this thread.
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are you selling any catnip? im all out right now..
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Krusty
If you can't say it to your moms face, dont say it here. If you mom has weak family values, check it out with your granny.
ugly words dont make you tougher
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Originally posted by hitech
WTC: Let me put it so you can understand.
1. Read the rules posted at the top of this forum.
2. Obay those rules.
3. If you disobay those rules , your posts will be deleted.
4. If you are constantly disobaying the rules you will no longer be a guest of this bbs.
HiTech
Its a e not a A lol :P Obey
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Originally posted by Krypto
Its a e not a A lol :P Obey
Great ! Now we got a Russian trying to teach computer coder to spell in english! What can go wrong here?:D
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Originally posted by Booz
Krusty
If you can't say it to your moms face, dont say it here. If you mom has weak family values, check it out with your granny.
ugly words dont make you tougher
I see someone else got my "hint". Excellent post Booz!
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Originally posted by Krypto
Its a e not a A lol :P Obey
What ever Hitech says here on this BBS is correct no matter what no questions asked.:cool: :D
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I best not complain about peoples spelling too much or some grizzly going to bite my behind.
I'm going to hide in the dipsy doodles now so the grizzly can't find me.
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Let's make things more simple, and use some courtesy.
I remember , some times ago, after beta AH some friends players of japan nationality showed their disappointment in being called with that abbreviation cause it was considered (at wwii times),and it is nowadays , as a derogatory term, in their country.
Then all the comunity agreed in not using it
Its not a matter of freedom of speech, nor HTC willin, or other, its only an act of kindness to some friends of this community.
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Again, just a shame that this type of posting has to be witnessed & or corrected on our boards.
:(
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Booz, whether or not I use the words regularly (matter of fact I don't, really, except "redneck" -- which I am partly), doesn't negate the problems involved with trying to censor them.
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Originally posted by Grits
Fo shizzle.
and a tizzle bizzle!
:p
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I think the phrase "Treat others like you would like to be Treated" comes to mind :aok
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censorship creates a chilling effect on discussions.
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so what is singular of japanese?
i think all this political correctness has gone too far, im english and i don't get all gay when someone calles me a brit.
can i say bollocks?
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Originally posted by SELECTOR
im english and i don't get all gay when someone calles me a brit.
How 'bout limey?
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Originally posted by john9001
censorship creates a chilling effect on discussions.
If ideas were being censored you would have a point.
Derogatory terms that insult people do not belong in any discussion even if they are not banned.
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WTC posted:
cant even say the short word for JAPANESE?
Racist slang is not welcome here! If you dont think thats racist or derogatory ask a Japanese WWII vet how they feel about being called that. You may end up with a black eye!
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Free Speech came from the notion that it is a right to comment against your Government without the freedom of reprisal. This has nothing to do with the right to be insulting to anyone and hide behind that incorrect interpretation of that constitutional right.
What goes on in here is far to often the same thing as being invited into someones house, peeing on their carpet then crying foul when they are kicked to the curb.
Have an ouce of courtesy, try it once in a while, you might find it rewarding.
If you think it's cute to hide behind a text buffer, I urge you to walk on any city street corner and repeat your conversation. If you can walk back here in one piece without your leg ripped off and beaten over your head, it might be something you'd like to share here. You can't hide your character, no matter how much people hide behind "it's just a game, geez people, lighten up"
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Originally posted by WTC
Dude i posted a post with the word *** does that get blocked out now?
Oh come on WTC, everyone knows you cannot even give the impression of using derogatory terms and racist comments about other nations and cultures on the BBs...unless of course it's about Mexicans and/or Canadians. They are sanctioned events here.
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teabag
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Originally posted by SELECTOR
so what is singular of japanese?
i think all this political correctness has gone too far, im english and i don't get all gay when someone calles me a brit.
can i say bollocks?
The singular is "Japanese."
I think the difference is that "brit" is neither used, nor defined in any dictionary as disparaging and offensive slang. The other is used and defined in every dictionary as disparaging and offensive slang.
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Originally posted by SELECTOR
so what is singular of japanese?
i think all this political correctness has gone too far, im english and i don't get all gay when someone calles me a brit.
can i say bollocks?
One thing for sure . . . Singular for American is not Am. Singular of German is not Ger. Singular of Italian is not It. Singular of Malaysian is not Mal. Singular of Candadian is not Can. Singular of Spanish is not Span. Etc Etc. So to assume the correct singular of Japanese is *** is kinda all gay in and of itself imo.
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i dont understand what the big fuss about the short version of japanese is about either.
we can use yank, limey etc.... so whats wrong with J**? its just a shorter "txt" speak
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Originally posted by Overlag
i dont understand what the big fuss about the short version of japanese is about either.
we can use yank, limey etc.... so whats wrong with J**? its just a shorter "txt" speak
I think you must be very young.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Overlag
i dont understand what the big fuss about the short version of japanese is about either.
we can use yank, limey etc.... so whats wrong with J**? its just a shorter "txt" speak
What do you not understand about the post 2 above yours? That is about as simple as it can be explained.
Here's something even shorter for you: JP. It's accepted and used around the world and saves you 33.3% in typing.
Maybe HTC is trying to improve gameplay for you. I don't think you would complain about that, would you? Those who play in off-peak US time (including you, I believe) wrote they were disappointed about not having enough people on line.
Japan dwarfs England, Australia, New Zealand, Canada in sheer numbers of people, a historical connection and has more disposable income than all combined, yet there are only a handful of Japanese players - none of whom has ever (as far as I know), in the history of Aces High, created any trouble, called anyone names, trolled for arguments, been warned, muted, or banned on vox, text channels, or on the BBS.
One of the 3 main reasons for the lack of JP customers is the thick-headedness of people who continually throw offensive slang at them on vox, text and the BBS like monkey poop.
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I suppose one has to be either japanese, american or old (like someone mentioned) to immediately see some underlying racist or rude meaning in this particular 3-letter word.
For myself it (fortunately? unfortunately?) does not carry any any deeper meaning than Ami, Brit, Swede, Finn, etc...
So, could someone please educate us ignorant foreigners... why is it a rude or racist word?
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Just to add little something about exessive political correctness...
There are some immigrant kids in my kids' kindergarten. Nowadays the parents' night's discussions include things like can we have Christmas parties, can the Santa visit, can there even be pictures of Christmas fairies on the walls... just so that these immigrants from other cultures and religions would not get offended :(
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See Rule #7
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Originally posted by BlauK
I suppose one has to be either japanese, . . . .
IMO, this part of your post is the only thing you have to think about. ANY word is given meaning both by the person who utters it and the person who hears it. The person who utters it may mean no offense, but the person who hears it may take offense nonetheless.
So, it is a matter of courtesy. If someone tells me "blue" is an offensive word, I will refrain from using that word in his presence, as a matter of courtesy.
I personally never gave the word much thought either, because to me it isn't a derogatory term. But to someone else on these boards, it is offensive. So, out of courtesy, I will not use it going forward.
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hmm... nope. That is too simple and too authoritative.... "That is all u kids need to know now!"
If I e.g. told u that that your bbs name and call signs are offensive to me, wouldn't you at least want to know why? Or would you just gladly change them in order not to offend me?
Surely there are reasons behind all rules. It just makes it a lot easier to obey the rules if the reasons are understood.
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I'm a Fin. Use it how you like:D
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One difference between BBS discussions and real-life conversations is that among the people I associate with, we say things like, "I didn't realize that," or, "Yeah, I see what you mean now," or, "I hadn't thought about it like that. Thanks for pointing it out," or, "Well, you learn something new every day."
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Originally posted by BlauK
So, could someone please educate us ignorant foreigners... why is it a rude or racist word?
Whats the big deal. I am a foreigner as well, if I know someone is offended by a word I will not use it. Surely there are some words / comments that you are offended by. You wouldn't like people calling you or your children by those words.
This aint free speech. This is about being courteous and treating people with respect.
Regards
Acetnt
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Originally posted by acetnt367th
Surely there are some words / comments that you are offended by. You wouldn't like people calling you or your children by those words.
Surely there are, even often on this board, but then I would try to explain to someone why his words are offending.
However, most often I would look at the context, the tone and the big picture, to estimate whether the person means to offend or whether it would just be my own imagination or interpretation.
That is something a simple word filter cannot do, and I am NOT opposed to using a word filter. I am simply asking why this particular word is offensive. Maybe the most educative answer could come from a japanese person.
You know, I want to have the Santa Claus in my culture...
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Originally posted by E25280
So, it is a matter of courtesy. If someone tells me "blue" is an offensive word, I will refrain from using that word in his presence, as a matter of courtesy.
What if the belief that the word "blue" is offensive is faulty, outdated, and/or irrational? What if the word blue just means blue?
I'm not entirely sold on the point of view that the meaning lies entirely on the recipient's side. A big portion of it is the intended meaning on the speaker's point of view.
Just more fodder for the debate.
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Originally posted by BlauK
hmm... nope. That is too simple and too authoritative.... "That is all u kids need to know now!"
If I e.g. told u that that your bbs name and call signs are offensive to me, wouldn't you at least want to know why? Or would you just gladly change them in order not to offend me?
Surely there are reasons behind all rules. It just makes it a lot easier to obey the rules if the reasons are understood.
Sorry, I guess I took your question rhetorically rather than literally.
I can't speak from the Japanese point of view. And like I said, until recently I never thought about it much myself.
But then, if you go back and look at the recruiting posters and media characterizations of the Japanese back in WW2, (usually with glasses, barely open eyes, buck teeth, stupid expressions, etc.) and that the word "****" was always used in them instead of Japanese, I can see how the word and the characterization are very hard to separate for some.
Best straight answer I can give.
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Man ... this is like arguing religion ... there is no winner.
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Originally posted by Krusty
What if the belief that the word "blue" is offensive is faulty, outdated, and/or irrational? What if the word blue just means blue?
I'm not entirely sold on the point of view that the meaning lies entirely on the recipient's side. A big portion of it is the intended meaning on the speaker's point of view.
Just more fodder for the debate.
I won't argue that it can't be taken to an extreme. In college we got so sick of it we started coming up with all sorts of "politically correct" terms for everyday items as a parody, to illustrate how far out of hand things had become. (My favorite was the "portal access apparatus" instead of doorknob, since doorknob could potentially be used derrisively, but I digress.)
I also won't argue that in some cases, words that should be just fine are unfairly deemed inappropriate (like the Exxon? "*****rdly increase" case a few years back).
In this particular case, though, I can see the point as stated in my response to Blauk above.
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I do remember the comment made, back then. It's a word in the dictionary, and because it has part of a word that is derogatory to black people, everybody jumped on the guy's back. I respect folks with a large vocabulary. Would I have used that particular word? No.
However, the same word is tossed around as a greeting, as a friendly saying by many black people. That, in and of itself, lessens the "slur" aspect of the word.
Then again, with the word for today in question (short for Japanese), it was a short word used as an invective during a time of high tension and anger (we were attacked and it was war). The word, while spoken with hatred, does not itself become a slur. The stereotypes mentioned (buckteeth, etc) are those used to describe the culture, sure, but mostly propoganda. Rather than see the word as a slur, folks ought to see it as a reflection of the hatred of Japanese at the time of 1941.
I know for a fact we're past that point. We incorporate parts of Japanese culture into our lives almost every day, and they do the same to ours. We clearly (as a culture) do not hate the Japanese, and as a culture they don't hate us.
I'm of the firm belief that the word itself isn't a slur. Saying "***" (starred out I bet) has no harm in it. Saying "*** go hom" would be very bad, but that's not the word, but the intolerance to people and the unjust indication that they are not allowed in [fill in the blank town].
Saying "*** go home" is like saying "brits go home". It's the rest of the phrase that holds the negative. It's the rest of the tone, the way its said, etc. The 3-letter word is not the culprit, the entire package is.
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Originally posted by E25280
But then, if you go back and look at the recruiting posters and media characterizations of the Japanese back in WW2, (usually with glasses, barely open eyes, buck teeth, stupid expressions, etc.) and that the word "****" was always used in them instead of Japanese, I can see how the word and the characterization are very hard to separate for some.
Best straight answer I can give.
Thanx.. that sheds some light. Still I tend to think that just changing the word would not change how the japanese were/are viewed by the people who buy such stereotypes.
In Finnish common slang there is a word "japsi" or "japski", which is often used when talking about the origin of e.g. cars or other products, instead of the long correct word "japanilainen". Japsi could be used as a racist word with swear words attached to it, but in general it only refers to the longer word. That is why it feels confusing that its english equivalent is banned.
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See RUle #5
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Originally posted by Krypto
See Rule #7
Uh oh, Skuzzy hates me :'(
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may i still say "easy peasy japanesy?"
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Originally posted by Oldman731
I think you must be very young.
- oldman
whats age got to do about it? just because im not a old ******* it means ive not got a clue?
you must be very old then?
edit: oh and not many japanese play this for the exact same reason not many brits, germans, french/ anyone outside america. Advertising. Virtually no one knows about this game in the rest of the world.
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Originally posted by Overlag
edit: oh and not many japanese play this for the exact same reason not many brits, germans, french/ anyone outside america. Advertising. Virtually no one knows about this game in the rest of the world.
If only there was some way to connect computers from around the world and let them share information. Just think, people interested in online flight simulators might be able to use some sort of search tool to find Aces High. People might even set up information sites to share information about flying and flight simulators. But I guess we'll have to wait until a worldwide network of computers is possible.
Until then we can work on making the arenas a friendly fun place to fly.
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To be very honest, i find this discussion a rather sad one.
To me, a word doesnt have to be banned... or dissectec down to its origins and meanings, hidden or otherwise.
If someone says they are offended by it (no matter their reason), DONT USE IT!
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just because im not a old ******* it means ive not got a clue?
I would say your posts speak for themselfs.
HiTech
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Originally posted by hitech
I would say your posts speak for themselfs.
HiTech
whateve4r
wink, wink ;) ;)
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Originally posted by Schatzi
If someone says they are offended by it (no matter their reason), DONT USE IT!
Schatzi,
that would be just fine, but so far all I have gathered here is that someone believes that another one might be offended. To me (with my lacking knowledge of the subject) it seems like excessive, just in case, political correctness.
If I knew the reasons, I might change my opinion.
In addition to that, this seems to be a bit of WW2 related history, and therefore interesting :)
I, personally, am much more offended by people who substitute "german" with "nazi" or "soviet/russian" with "commie" in various occasions.
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Originally posted by BlauK
For myself it (fortunately? unfortunately?) does not carry any any deeper meaning than Ami, Brit, Swede, Finn, etc...
I'm of the same opinion Blauk. I understood it not be offensive because one of our Japanese players stated as such. I guess maybe his opinion isnt in the majority. Live and learn.
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stop it gringo.
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