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Title: 380
Post by: Holden McGroin on October 06, 2006, 02:38:40 PM
So how heavily will the A-380 delay reverberate?   Airbus CEO Christian Streiff quit Friday*, The A350 development will probably have to be delayed, suppliers are worried, (RR has suspended Trent production for a year) investors are worried,
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In an effort to soothe investors, the management Airbus parent EADS late Tuesday unveiled a radical restructuring program called Power8. Under the plan, EADS will seek to cut overhead costs by 30% by 2010 and increase productivity by 20%.
 
But analysts on Wednesday were reluctant to believe such promises. A previous cost-cutting plan called Route 06 failed to meet it targets.
"Although sounding dramatic, there are likely some questions over its [Power8] credibility bearing in mind the shortfalls seen on earlier Airbus cost-reduction plans," Deutsche Bank analyst said.

Exane BNP Paribas said that compared to March 2003, when Route06 was launched, "Airbus now has less power over suppliers to implement a purchasing cost-reduction program."    


Partner countries are worried,...a joint meeting in Paris next week of the German and French cabinets is to debate problems at Airbus,

 
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Airbus is "looking at all ideas," Streiff said, when asked whether he planned to transfer A380 work to Toulouse from the company's paintshop, cabin-fitting plant and delivery center in Hamburg. He said a decision will be made within four months "in the best interest of Airbus."  


Customers are worried,

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Singapore Airlines, launch customer for the Airbus A380 super jumbo, was weighing the cost of existing delays in delivery of the aircraft as its manufacturer prepared to discuss new holdups on Tuesday.  


It is going to be interesting in Toulouse for the next little while...

*According to AP
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Post by: Yeager on October 06, 2006, 02:42:32 PM
I knew AB had bitten off more than they could chew but I expected them to spit it out and take a smaller bite.

Looks like they are seriously choking :huh
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Post by: john9001 on October 06, 2006, 02:52:12 PM
"Airbus CEO Christian Streiff quit Friday"

i wonder how many millions his severance package was?
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Post by: Ripsnort on October 06, 2006, 03:05:43 PM
The A380 will be the next Concorde - a good PR story, but an economic disasater that would have never been undertaken without government subsidies..but I do believe they'll sell a few, not nearly what the 747 has sold though, even *if* the A380 is around as long as the 747.
Title: 380
Post by: GtoRA2 on October 06, 2006, 09:57:01 PM
What do you think Beatle's new name be when he oozes into this thread?;)
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Post by: RAIDER14 on October 06, 2006, 10:20:00 PM
did airbus announce the A380F yet?:confused:
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Post by: Chairboy on October 06, 2006, 10:31:21 PM
I think it'll be a success, but primarilly as a replacement for aged out 747s.  Eg, as 747s are retired, 380s will be their replacements.  Probably won't be a high enough volume to really storm the industry, but they'll be a fixture on the airport scene for decades.
Title: 380
Post by: RAIDER14 on October 06, 2006, 10:54:36 PM
Freighter version will be better than passanger version
Title: 380
Post by: Ripsnort on May 31, 2007, 09:39:32 PM
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
What do you think Beatle's new name be when he oozes into this thread?;)


Somewhere in the world, a beet1e weeps once again:
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New A350 Rejected By Airlines

May 29th, 2007

http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,485374,00.html

Yet more bad news for Airbus: now the company's biggest customers are reportedly calling for it to rethink its design for the A350. If the company is forced back to the drawing board again it would mean further delays and even higher costs.


 REUTERS
The Airbus A350 should be ready by 2013, that is unless the company is forced to redesign it -- again.
Aircraft manufacturer Airbus, already struggling with delays to its A380 superjumbo, now faces problems with its A350 long-range widebody aircraft due to customer dissatisfaction with the current design.

The first version of the new A350 was rejected out of hand, now the second version hasn't come up to scratch either. A number of important customers are demanding changes in Airbus' technology, which could cause further delays at the troubled aircraft manufacturer.

The latest incarnation of the A350 has been found wanting by Emirates, Singapore Airplines, Qatar Airways and the leasing company ILFC, Germany's Süddeutsche Zeitung newspaper reports on Tuesday. "In my opinion the current Airbus proposal represents an intermediate stage," the newspaper quotes Emirates boss Tim Clark.

The customers have called on Airbus to modify its design of the fuselage by baking the body, made out of carbon-fiber composites, on a huge mold, as Boeing does with its 787 Dreamliner, instead of riveting sections together.

The current design's use of separate sections increases the maintenance costs, the airlines argue. To be able to burn the entire fuselage in giant ovens -- called autoclaves -- Airbus would have to invest in new technology and infrastructure, the newspaper reports.

However, an Airbus spokeswoman rejected the reports of a design rethink. "We are working on the basis of the existing designs," she told the Süddeutsche Zeitung, adding that everything else was pure speculation. She also dismissed reports that Airbus is planning to announce a new change of strategy during the Le Bourget airshow in France in mid June.



Meanwhile, Boeing 787 set a record for most airplanes sold since announcement before a roll out, and stock prices went over $100 yesterday. :)

We also have a backlog of 1458 -- 737's. Considering that it takes 10 days to build one, you do the math.
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Post by: Halo on May 31, 2007, 09:43:20 PM
I just love the numbers game: cut overhead costs by 30% and increase productivity by 20%.  Yeah, right.  

Merlin (not the engine, the magician) lives!  :rolleyes:
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Post by: Chairboy on May 31, 2007, 09:55:34 PM
Most shockingly, I've heard that Airbus is getting ready to focus their expertise building new short-range commuters and business jets:
(http://hallert.net/images/Mini_airbus.JPG)
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Post by: E25280 on May 31, 2007, 10:42:25 PM
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Most shockingly, I've heard that Airbus is getting ready to focus their expertise building new short-range commuters and business jets:
(http://hallert.net/images/Mini_airbus.JPG)
Southwest would eat them up.  ;)
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Post by: LePaul on May 31, 2007, 11:19:12 PM
Well good for the 787.

Now if Boeing can win the KC-135 bid...?
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Post by: Ripsnort on June 01, 2007, 08:38:33 AM
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Originally posted by LePaul
Well good for the 787.

Now if Boeing can win the KC-135 bid...?

....without another corporate scandal...:mad:
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Post by: Furball on June 01, 2007, 01:27:11 PM
Not worth a new thread, but it was nice to see that the Merlin won the contract to fly the president about.

http://www.teamus101.com/index.cfm
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Post by: Chairboy on June 01, 2007, 02:35:49 PM
Re: New presidential chopper

It's unfortunate that a US company was unable to (apparently) offer a better craft/deal.  I'd like that money spent domestically as much as possible if it has to be spent at all.
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Post by: john9001 on June 01, 2007, 02:52:27 PM
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Re: New presidential chopper

It's unfortunate that a US company was unable to (apparently) offer a better craft/deal.  I'd like that money spent domestically as much as possible if it has to be spent at all.


ah, the EH101 is built by Bell.
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Post by: Chairboy on June 01, 2007, 03:16:07 PM
That's not... entirely accurate.  The contract went to Augusta (Italy) with LockMart as the US figurehead.
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Post by: john9001 on June 01, 2007, 03:35:08 PM
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The US101 also will save $2 billion in research and development costs already paid - costs the American taxpayer otherwise would have to bear.

AgustaWestlandBell, prime sub-contractor to Lockheed Martin, is an American company based in Reston, Va. >>

from the web site.
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Post by: Chairboy on June 01, 2007, 04:03:46 PM
My apologies, then, I was operating under the impression that this was an Italian endeavor with a US 'face'.

EDIT: Well, I'm still a bit confused:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agusta

Agusta is an Italian company, and the articles I've found so far seem to suggest that LockMart's role is basically integration, but most of the money will still be Europe-bound.  :huh
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Post by: Furball on June 01, 2007, 04:50:03 PM
The Helicopter is AgustaWestland EH101 Merlin... a UK/Italian company.

AgustaWestland: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AgustaWestland

It is being license built by Bell - only way to crack the American market ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AgustaWestland_EH101

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In 2001 AgustaWestland signed a deal with Lockheed Martin and Bell Helicopter Textron to market the aircraft in the US under the designation US101. It competed for and won the VIP and "Marine One" Presidential transport roles currently carried out by H-3 Sea King or the smaller VH-60 White Hawk. In doing so, it beat the Super Hawk, Sikorsky's contending entry, and became the first non-Sikorsky helicopter to fulfill the Marine One role since 1957. The order is for 23 aircraft, to equip the Marine One squadron, HMX-1. The US101 will be built in the United States and fitted with largely American systems and equipment, General Electric turboshafts for example. These aircraft will be given the military designation VH-71A Kestrel
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Post by: Furball on June 01, 2007, 04:59:44 PM
Haven't read the full article, but it looks like Smiths Aerospace are doing part of the cockpit on it too (A British company)... http://www.smiths-aerospace.com/News/Archive/2006/Smiths-Aer6/index.asp
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Post by: Yeager on June 01, 2007, 08:49:41 PM
The day an American President travels around in a European made helicopter is the day I..............