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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Yeager on October 07, 2006, 06:58:22 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/07/bush.christening.ap/index.html
I've got to say Im a bit perplexed on this one. WTH did Bush Sr ever do to deserve such an honor?
I guess it beats the USS Slick Willy :rolleyes:
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Well, he did fly TBM's at Chichi Jima and got shot down. He was a president last I heard. :D
What about John C. Stennis? WTF he ever do?
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won first gulf war,
won fight with commies
how can you be such a ungreatfull citizen?
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Over 50 combat missions during WWII. Got shot down, rescued, and returned to fight again. Continued to serve his country for most of his adult life, culminating in the Presidency of the United States.
That's a hell of alot more than Reagan did and NO ONE complained when he got a CVN got named after him.
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Bush flew TBM's? I was hopeing he'd be a fighter hero or something.
As for John C. Stennis, who cares what he did, I want to know who is or was he.
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Originally posted by Hornet33
Over 50 combat missions during WWII. Got shot down, rescued, and returned to fight again. Continued to serve his country for most of his adult life, culminating in the Presidency of the United States.
That's a hell of alot more than Reagan did and NO ONE complained when he got a CVN got named after him.
dont be dork
Regan was greatest president in 20th century.
Not only thos who carries guns serve country.
Possible he did better as actor then he could be as regular trooper
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This is why the Navy wanted a CVN named for Stennis.
He was unanimously selected President Pro Tempore of the Senate during the 100th Congress (1987-1989). During his Senate career he chaired, at various times, the Select Committee on Standards and Conduct, the Armed Services committee, and the Appropriations committee. It was due to his work with the Armed Services committee (1969-1980) that he became known as the "Father of America's Modern Navy."
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Well, he was a President and all. Most people consider that a pretty impressive accomplishment. Most of the recent carriers have been named after presidents, so Clinton seems like as good a choice as anyone else.
I think it was better when we named our carriers after battles--Yorktown, Lexington, Saratoga, Midway and such. Somehow cruisers stole that tradition.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by ramzey
dont be dork
Regan was greatest president in 20th century.
Not only thos who carries guns serve country.
Possible he did better as actor then he could be as regular trooper
Who's being a dork? I personaly liked Regan as a president. He did an outstanding job, however Bush's service record in uniform and as a Government employee is longer than Regans.
My point being....Bush has earned this right to have a new CVN named in his honor as a faithfull servant to this country.
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ooops....srry. fergot all about the war thingy he did :(
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Not a damn thing I guess.
(http://www.worldwar2database.com/~ironwomn/images/sanjacinto-images/10.jpg)
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Please try to restrain yourself from getting a boner over an extremely rich, powerful, old man. I can't believe someone actually said he was a public 'servant'. Ruling class maybe.
That being said, Bush was a brave pilot. His plane was hit by AA fire, setting it on fire and wounding one of his gunners. He continued the bomb run, dropped his bombs, then swung out over the sea to bail out. One of the gunners was probably dead or too wounded to move, and never got out of the plane. The other bailed out but plummeted to his death after his chute failed to open. Bush himself hit the tail of his own plane, but survived.
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He MORE THAN deserves it.
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won first gulf war,
flew for the US navy in WW2
negatives side- N.A.F.T.A.
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Bush flew TBM's? I was hopeing he'd be a fighter hero or something.
by,dmf
TMB's I think would have been a lot more scary to fly in combat then a fighter in WWII Pacific, I talked to a old Marine the outher day and he said that if you were in a fighter at least you flew more of a strait flat line over the base you were hitting. The Marine flew TMB's and the Dauntless also he said that when you dove in all the enmy's fire almost went on you and your wingman. He also said that wile he was diving in on a ***, base that the two wingmen beside him went up in flames. So flying the TMB imo took gutts.:aok
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My first ship is most likely going to be this one...
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I guess that means the next CV will be the USS William Jefferson Clinton.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I guess that means the next CV will be the USS William Jefferson Clinton.
They can name the catipults the "monicas"
;)
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Five TD's one game!!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/55_1160364121_bal2.jpg)
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zOMFG YES!!!!111
(http://www.grassrootspa.com/Al%20Bundy%2033.jpg) :aok :aok:aok :aok :aok :O :O :D
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Originally posted by ramzey
won fight with commies
Couldn't bee the Russians cause I must have missed something lol
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I think Bush Sr. deserves a CV in his name, I just wish they hadn't renamed the Nimitz.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
I think Bush Sr. deserves a CV in his name, I just wish they hadn't renamed the Nimitz.
Renamed the Nimitz? I guess i missed this one........:confused:
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Originally posted by dmf
Bush flew TBM's? I was hopeing he'd be a fighter hero or something.
fighter pilots make movies, bomber pilots make history. :D
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I guess that means the next CV will be the USS William Jefferson Clinton.
This one should be name for Clinton:
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/images/kiev-at-shanhai.jpg)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/cv.htm
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fighter pilots make movies, bomber pilots make history.
by john9001
:aok :aok :D :D :aok :aok
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Originally posted by J_A_B
Well, he was a President and all. Most people consider that a pretty impressive accomplishment. Most of the recent carriers have been named after presidents, so Clinton seems like as good a choice as anyone else.
I think it was better when we named our carriers after battles--Yorktown, Lexington, Saratoga, Midway and such. Somehow cruisers stole that tradition.
A few years ago I would have seriously doubted that the Navy would consider naming a Carrier after Clinton, he was universally dispised by the services. But then....they went and named a sub after the dipstick Carter, arguably the absolutely worst President of modern times. Carter also has the distinction of not only being the worst President, he's the country's worst ex-president. Who knows, maybe a USS Clinton....ship's emblem could be crossed cigars, Uniform of the Day would include berets (oh wait, the Army beat us to that), and the ship's radio callsign would be "Haywood" after Bubas good buddy Haywood Jablowme. This would also bring a whole new meaning to "Navy Blue". We could plot the ship's course based on the latest Zogby poll of the crew's opinion and use the Officer's Mess Fund to invest in real estate.
In reality, I also wish they had stuck to traditional CV names. Far more meaningful to be aboard the USS Ticonderoga or Oriskany than the USS Carl Vinson. The Navy naming game has varied a lot, but things used to be fairly clear in WWII. There were a few exceptions (Shangi-La for instance) but CV's were Revolutionary War battles or ships, BB's were states, Cruisers were cities, and Subs were fish. Personal names (usually chosen to recognize heroism and valor) were restricted to smaller ships, namely the DD/DEs. Unfortunently, CV/CVN are major investiments of national capital and money is what makes them float and to get the money you needed politicians. Essentially, the Navy is brown-nosing but this isn't totally new, that's why the BB's were named after states. Now this has expanded to put politican's names on CVs and Subs which freed up the good names for CGs, LHD's, etc.
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Just out of curiosity, what kind of ship should be named after...........hillary? :D
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Another CV... after her presidency of course.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Just out of curiosity, what kind of ship should be named after...........hillary? :D
(http://www.onr.navy.mil/media/images/gallery/thumbs/historical/skyhook_manned.jpg)
;)
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Originally posted by J_A_B
I think it was better when we named our carriers after battles--Yorktown, Lexington, Saratoga, Midway and such. Somehow cruisers stole that tradition.
J_A_B
I agree..
The next CVN should be named USS Tora Bora or USS Umm Quasar.. or USS Baghdad or maybe even the USS Basra.
:D
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they will most likely name a SSBN after Clinton i think, you know it's almost " Cigar " shaped.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Just out of curiosity, what kind of ship should be named after...........hillary? :D
I don't think the Navy used hot air balloons except maybe in the Civil War.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I agree..
The next CVN should be named USS Tora Bora or USS Umm Quasar.. or USS Baghdad or maybe even the USS Basra.
:D
Or...Or...Or....Or....the list goes on....:)
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Or...Or...Or....Or....the list goes on....:)
USS Pyongyang ? :D
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Mogadishu....but they got a movie deal, so they are exempt.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Well, he did fly TBM's at Chichi Jima and got shot down. He was a president last I heard. :D
What about John C. Stennis? WTF he ever do?
How about the USS FDNY?
If its merit based, homicide detectives, firemen, ER doctors and cops should have ships named after them, as well as warrior enlisted noncoms, those awarded the CMH... real heroes of America. Afterall, we paid for the fing thing.
These people do more good things for the country everyday than the Bushi family or his hack Dem cronies could ever hope to accomplish in their lives. But just like Hasterts $3 million reward for being a crooked clone goes to show, these perverted drunks take care of eachother.
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U.S.S. Murphy (Audie)
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Originally posted by Yeager
ooops....srry. fergot all about the war thingy he did :(
Brain fart...happens to me all the time.
:lol
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Bah, the US should hire the guy that picks the name for RN ships. Now there are some badass names. HMS You-Are-So-****ing-Dead-And-Don't-Even-Know-It-Yet-LOLS etc.
Even better would be to defer taxpayer costs buy getting corporate sponsorship. USS Abosulte Vodka, and the ships moto can be the brands catch phrase.
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Originally posted by Mace2004
But then....they went and named a sub after the dipstick Carter,
Carter is a Navy vet. I think he served on DD's but it is possible he was a submariner. I don't care for his politics, but he did serve the country in uniform and as president.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
How about the USS FDNY?
If its merit based, homicide detectives, firemen, ER doctors and cops should have ships named after them, as well as warrior enlisted noncoms, those awarded the CMH... real heroes of America. Afterall, we paid for the fing thing.
These people do more good things for the country everyday than the Bushi family or his hack Dem cronies could ever hope to accomplish in their lives. But just like Hasterts $3 million reward for being a crooked clone goes to show, these perverted drunks take care of eachother.
The folks you mention have nothing to do with the military even if they've provided extraordinary service. Plenty of ships have been named after enlisted men, particularly those that have been awarded the Medal of Honor. BTW, I've never been quite sure who first attempted to call it the "Congressional" Medal of Honor but the proper name is just Medal of Honor. Some punk congressional staffer probably got credit for trying to put the Congressional in front of it. Sort of a way for Congress to get their picture taken next to real heros.
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Originally posted by Shifty
Carter is a Navy vet. I think he served on DD's but it is possible he was a submariner. I don't care for his politics, but he did serve the country in uniform and as president.
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Originally posted by Shifty
Carter is a Navy vet. I think he served on DD's but it is possible he was a submariner. I don't care for his politics, but he did serve the country in uniform and as president.
He was a submariner of little to no distinction and resigned after only seven years at the rank of Lieutenant. That should not qualify him. The fact he was a president of little to no distinction also should not have qualified him. Don't think I've ever seen a USS Richard M. Nixon. He was both a president and served was a Lieutenant Commander in WWII. If Nixon wouldn't get a ship because he was a crook, don't think Carter should get one for being a dolt.
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Originally posted by Mace2004
The folks you mention have nothing to do with the military even if they've provided extraordinary service. Plenty of ships have been named after enlisted men, particularly those that have been awarded the Medal of Honor. BTW, I've never been quite sure who first attempted to call it the "Congressional" Medal of Honor but the proper name is just Medal of Honor. Some punk congressional staffer probably got credit for trying to put the Congressional in front of it. Sort of a way for Congress to get their picture taken next to real heros.
Wow... :aok
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the President of the United States be, and he is hereby, authorized to cause two thousand "medals of honor" to be prepared with suitable emblematic devices, and to direct that the same be presented, in the name of the Congress, to such non--commissioned officers and privates as shall most distinguish themselves by their gallantry in action, and other soldier-like qualities, during the present insurrection (Civil War)."
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Roger that but "in the name of" is not the same as "the name is". There are some awards whose proper title includes such a person or group including the "Presidential Unit Citation" and the "Navy Cross"; however, the MOH, while approved by Congress is, correctly, just the "Medal of Honor". Adding "Congressional" would be like calling a Meritorious Service Medal the Secretary of Defense Meritorious Service Medal because he approves the award.
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(http://www.cmohs.org/images/cmoh_seal_medium3.gif)
"On August 5, 1958 President Dwight Eisenhower signed legislation sent to him by Congress chartering the CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR SOCIETY."
The society calls it either, but apparently prefers MOH to CMOH, even tough their name may indicate the opposite.
What is in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet... and any man wearing or the memory of anyone who was awarded a MOH (CMOH) deserves reverence.
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Originally posted by Mace2004
He was a submariner of little to no distinction and resigned after only seven years at the rank of Lieutenant. That should not qualify him. The fact he was a president of little to no distinction also should not have qualified him. Don't think I've ever seen a USS Richard M. Nixon. He was both a president and served was a Lieutenant Commander in WWII. If Nixon wouldn't get a ship because he was a crook, don't think Carter should get one for being a dolt.
Your opinon is of Carter is up to you. The naming of US Navy warships is not. Like I stated earlier. I'm no fan of his administration but I don't see how calling him a dolt on this board serves to promote your arguemment.
I'm tired of hearing and seeing Presidents slandered and belittled. He had the toughest job on earth at a critical point in history. We have the same thing going on now even worse. It's gotten to the point of being absurd. You can call Carter names but it was the American people that voted him in office.
The majority of people that serve in the military do so with little or no distinction. It's usually an extrodanary circumstance that gives people a chance to rise to the occasion of being a hero. It doesn't happen everyday.
You can serve your country honorably and faithfully for years without having to make a splash.
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Well, I think the fact that the Navy named a sub after Carter does nothing to change my opinion that he's a dolt. He dismantled a marvelous, cheap, and effective volunteer "civil defense" organization because it sounded too warlike, and came up with FEMA to replace it. Nice job retard. Of course, it's boosh's fault that FEMA does what ALL govt agencies do when their mission only really gets called on every once in a while... It spends all it's time growing larger in an attempt to justify it's existence. That's EXACTLY the kind of thing that should be left to a nationally organized but locally led volunteer organization. Staff it with volunteers and retired veterans, feed it with ceremony, honors, and surplus military/police/medical gear, and call it up when the shxt hits the fan and see what good work American volunteer organizations can do when needed. Worked fine for decades, and it was disabled primarly to placate the Commies. Well, the Commies are gone so let's bring it back. Oh yea, the big govt types (both dems and Repubs) would never let that happen...
Don't get gooshy about Carter... I truly think he's a great humanitarian but he was a crappy President who is STILL unable to face tough decisions. The NK nuke test is a huge case in point... Had we not gone into Iraq 3 yrs ago, then we'd probably be whining about a synchronized NK/Iraqi nuke test instead of just worrying about the NK test.
Carter... Bah. Yea he's a President and therefore a candidate for naming a carrier or sub, but he's still a tard.
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how do you get a ship named after you? http://www.ussfletcher.org/bigelow.html there's a link to the USS Bigelow on which I served with no distinction but with much joy and enjoying many adventures.
I'm with shifty regarding the mistreatment of our presidents. having said that president carter was a terrible president, a collective brain fart put him on office and that was all. I served in president carter's navy during a period in time when there was little pride in or recognition of the serviceman. I served because I felt obligated to serve. I considered a career but my six year service experiences and the crappy way in which the navy was run at the time caused me to decide to take a different carreer path.
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Originally posted by storch
how do you get a ship named after you? http://www.ussfletcher.org/bigelow.html there's a link to the USS Bigelow on which I served with no distinction but with much joy and enjoying many adventures.
I'm with shifty regarding the mistreatment of our presidents. having said that president carter was a terrible president, a collective brain fart put him on office and that was all. I served in president carter's navy during a period in time when there was little pride in or recognition of the serviceman. I served because I felt obligated to serve. I considered a career but my six year service experiences and the crappy way in which the navy was run at the time caused me to decide to take a different carreer path.
Same here Storch I served from Carter to Clinton. There was little or no recognition then for anyone. I saw positive changes in the military begin under Reagan. Still it took Desert Storm for the country to quit treating servicemen as some kind of lepers. Not a president. In fact the whole country should be ashamed of how Vietnam era servicemen were treated.
Now we seem to do it to presidents instead of servicemen.
Eagl I believe you're one of the people serving and protecting us now. I would never want to squelch your political opinons. As for me I'm just tired of it, I've done it myself for years . However the more I look at the presidents current and past....................
You can have that damn job. It takes an extrordinary person to complete a four year tour of constant personal attacks. Much less a lifetime of it afterwards. I'm for a warship named after every president.
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not to belabor the point shifty but what type of boat should we name for president clinton? I'm all for a river boat/casino/brothel with it's own mcdonalds.
:D
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Originally posted by storch
not to belabor the point shifty but what type of boat should we name for president clinton? I'm all for a river boat/casino/brothel with it's own mcdonalds.
:D
Now that's about as tasty of lure as I've seen in years. Good thing I had a nice breakfest or I'd be tempted to to hit it and get reeled in.:D
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Shifty,
You're right about how we treat our presidents... I think the personal attacks are a bit out of hand. Maybe I should have said that I strongly disagree with almost every one of Carter's presidential decisions, his personal beliefs regarding international liberal thought, and every single word he's uttered on political topics since he left office, except for his work on volunteer charity work.
Fair enough? :)
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Originally posted by eagl
Shifty,
You're right about how we treat our presidents... I think the personal attacks are a bit out of hand. Maybe I should have said that I strongly disagree with almost every one of Carter's presidential decisions, his personal beliefs regarding international liberal thought, and every single word he's uttered on political topics since he left office, except for his work on volunteer charity work.
Fair enough? :)
More than fair Zoomie.
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I think Storch has it right :) How about one of the rebuilt New Orleans riverboat casinos?
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Why bother, just name a sunken houseboat with a load of tuna in the hold the uss clinton. Use the clinton of choice in your visualizations.
:p
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they already named a destroyer after John McCain
:O :noid :noid
:noid (http://www.mccain.navy.mil/images/frontpage/fp12.jpg) :O
:O :noid :noid :O
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Originally posted by Debonair
they already named a destroyer after John McCain
Dad and Grandad were admirals.
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zOMG i noe that :D :D :D :D
u have been trolled lolololol:t :t :t
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a great ship for a great president:D
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Originally posted by Yeager
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/07/bush.christening.ap/index.html
I've got to say Im a bit perplexed on this one. WTH did Bush Sr ever do to deserve such an honor?
I guess it beats the USS Slick Willy :rolleyes:
Same thing Reagan did. He was a Republican president. :)
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Originally posted by Debonair
zOMG i noe that :D :D :D :D
u have been trolled lolololol:t :t :t
You knew about grandad? I knew about dad, but not grandad.
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Both 4 star admirals.