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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Saintaw on October 09, 2006, 08:10:59 AM
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Hitech, I want one of those...please, pretty please! :)
(http://www.stevequayle.com/High.Jump/Vril%20and%20the%20Andromeda_files/07478c90.gif)
More on it here (http://www.stevequayle.com/High.Jump/Vril.and.Andromeda.html)
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And how exactly does it fly?
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http://www.galactic-server.com/rune/vril4.html
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Hey Grendel,
that link is a joke, isnt it??
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:noid :noid (http://ww2photo.mimerswell.com/tanks/vz/armerc/05899.jpg) :noid :noid
lol
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"And how exactly does it fly?"
U mean what propulsion is has?
http://webfairy.org/missilegate/rfz/schauberger.htm
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Google: 62-83594-384 :D
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Propelled by an eternity machine you mean?
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As the text says: naturally manipulated electricfield which creates antigravity by effecting the existing magnetic field ie. the earth's magnetic field. Thats how I understand it.
And by manipulating the magnetic field it also creates a "twist" in time (according to Einsteins theory) so in a way you are right by calling it the "eternity machine"...
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Good read, it does not matter if it's true or not. Thanks Grendel.
gripen
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some of those "drive" systems could in theory work (the hyper jet is simular) but the craft would not be able to leave earth due to needing air for its thrust......
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It's actually a hanging light. Had one that went over our breakfast nook table in the 1930's era house I grew up in.
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those crafty germans :noid
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Originally posted by Charge
As the text says: naturally manipulated electricfield which creates antigravity by effecting the existing magnetic field ie. the earth's magnetic field. Thats how I understand it.
And by manipulating the magnetic field it also creates a "twist" in time (according to Einsteins theory) so in a way you are right by calling it the "eternity machine"...
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A friend of mine was fascinated by this "wirbeleffect", - and UFO's.
We shared a course in organic growing together, and I saw some of his reading material.
Some parts made sense, some didn't. While some of the effects described are actully being applied effectively in places like Jarna in Sweden (google Rudolf Steiner), some were not so particularly smart, - i.e. a complicated solution for a rather explainable problem.
Doing the seedwork only at full moon never appealed to me that much, etc ;)
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Schauberger was actually a water engineer and he was convinced that nature had energies that waited to be harnessed and those would not produce pollution and would be efficient etc. The aforementioned antigrav engine was e.g. started with an electric motor and cool water, after that it would use only a fraction of the energy it producec to run its own motor. Of course it is not a powersource for extraterrestrial vehicle but still an intersting engine. Or is this autonomous function what you meant with "eternity machine", Angus?
It seems that water falls and running water were in his particular interest. I'm not aware of those matters you talk about Angus, although i remember reading about something of that topic in Schauby's texts, too. His texts tend to be very hard to read and understand, maybe he had some kind of mental illness. ;)
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[originally from that first linky]
Cosmic communication through mediums:
In December 1919 a small circle of persons from the Thule, the Vril and the DHvSS met in a specially rented forester's lodge near Berchtesgaden (Germany). They were accompanied by the medium Maria Orsic and another medium only known as Sigrun. Maria had mediumistically received transmissions in a secret Templar script - a language unknown to her - with the technical data for the construction of a flying machine. According to Vril documents these telepathic messages came from the solar system Aldebaran which is sixty-eight light-years away in the constellation Taurus.....
....At the same time the scientist VIKTOR SCHAUBERGER worked on a similar project. Johannes Kepler whose ideas Schauberger followed had knowledge of the secret teachings of Pythagoras that had been adopted and kept secret by the KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. It was the knowledge of IMPLOSION (in this case the utilization of the potential of the inner worlds in the outer world). Hitler knew - as did the Thule and Vril people - that the divine principle was always constructive. A technology however that is based on explosion and therefore is destructive runs against the divine principle. Thus they wanted to create a technology based on IMPLOSION. Schauberger's theory of oscillation (principle of the overtone sequence, monochord) takes up the knowledge of Implosion. To put it simply:
IMPLOSION instead of EXPLOSION!
Following the energy paths of the monochord and the implosion technology one reaches the realm of antimatter and thus the cancellation of gravity.
originally posted by Charge
His texts tend to be very hard to read and understand, maybe he had some kind of mental illness.
Methinks you may be right, charge.
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Originally posted by Charge
Schauberger was actually a water engineer and he was convinced that nature had energies that waited to be harnessed and those would not produce pollution and would be efficient etc. The aforementioned antigrav engine was e.g. started with an electric motor and cool water, after that it would use only a fraction of the energy it producec to run its own motor. Of course it is not a powersource for extraterrestrial vehicle but still an intersting engine. Or is this autonomous function what you meant with "eternity machine", Angus?
It seems that water falls and running water were in his particular interest. I'm not aware of those matters you talk about Angus, although i remember reading about something of that topic in Schauby's texts, too. His texts tend to be very hard to read and understand, maybe he had some kind of mental illness. ;)
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The "eternity machine" as a concept is something I translated straight out of Icelandic, - not sure of the English term. Anyway, a machine that generates energy of some sort for nothing at loss.
None built, but many drawn and even built, - but the laws of physics were always overlooked in some aspects so the things could not even propel the machine itself running idle.
But what some had going about water and circling of water is quite interesting and has been applied in cases of i.e. water cleaning using no energy, - yet not, you need the water running down. I've seen pictures of this, and the princip is pretty clever.
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U mean this? :)
http://www.newphys.se/fnysik/1_2/vattenrening/index_se.html
and this:
http://www.ewo-wasser.ch/start_d.php?menu_text1=wirkung_i.inc.php&snavid=30&menu_sprache=italienisch
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Both this and the system when water runs down many steps into little "dishes", always whirling. I belive the idea is both sorting centrifugally and mixing air into the water as much as possible. There are some examples of this in Jarna, but I have not been there yet only read about it.
Are you multilingual Charge?
(I can't read Eytie, but Swedish is okay)
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I can't understand Italy, only some German, and English and Swedish quite well.
I only made out that the purificator employs some principles invented by Schauberger.
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Originally posted by Angus
The "eternity machine" as a concept is something I translated straight out of Icelandic, - not sure of the English term.
Perpetual motion machine, perhaps?
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http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6983772507888470670&q=ufo
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Interesting.
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By the way, - oddly enough, I've met an inventor who is designing a "flying platform". Designed to do the jobs of a helicopter and even less, - like an elevator for big house repairs etc. I asked him about the concept he would not tell, he was still scraping money together for the patent. But he hinted me like this: Imagine those guys who tried to build flying "beds" with exhaust thrusters. Mine is different, - imagine standing on a ball vs hanging in a ball. Then he winked.
I found a guy who had seen his prototype hovering around, - 10 kg's with 1 hp is all I got.
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http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-286184459501486399&q=ufo
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Whoa, got to watch that.
As a sidenote, - if you can bypass gravity almost anything is possible.
Here comes a little story.
A friend of mine was a master of applied physics. (as well as a seasoned flying instructor, mathematician andcomputer expert). He was making a theory about gravity at the time of his death. (untimely death). Anyway, the bottom line was that he belived gravity to be some kind of electomagnetic force rather than mass - our earths gravity mainly being created with the difference in rotation of the outer and inner layers, as well as the matters involved. He compared charts of solar activity with charts of earth activity (volcanoes and earthquakes) and promptly claimed that they are indeed very similar. Theory: solar energy is giving temporary discharge to our terra firma, which momentarily looses some of its gravitational force, which is enough to encourage i.e. something that is about to "pop" to do so.
Since solar activity is predicted (some months ahead, available on the internet?), he predicted a local activity here on the things that were close, which were mt. Hekla, or Katla, or the south area earthquake.
He predicted "something rather big" in march, and was less than a week off a volcanic eruption which occured from Mt Hekla. Then he predicted something bigger in june, the peak being around the 20th. We had a double southlandquake (6.5 richter), the former on june 17th, the second on the 21st. This was the year 2000,and I will never forget this. We who were his friends were rather spooked by this.
He said his theory would explain the absence of gravitational difference at higher and lower parts of the world, as well as the mysteriously high gravitational forces of Mercury (the planet).
I'll have to watch this. TY Charge ;)
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Ah, the Lifter (http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm) again. You can build your own; there several made even here in Finland.
Pretty cool!
gripen
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Originally posted by gripen
Ah, the Lifter (http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm) again. You can build your own; there several made even here in Finland.
Pretty cool!
gripen
i remember these from ages back, and its a interesting concept... however i again think it would "fail" outside of earths air since its still using them as a thrust at least we think, then the lifter guys dont know how it works!
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Neither do I know how it works. Anyway, the "ionic wind" or something like that air moving principle is pretty much rejected because the Lifter can be covered at least partially with a light plastic and it still floats.
Overall, the Lifter is a pretty amazing thing despite what ever way it works; basicly "alien" technology for everyone :)
gripen
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Interestingly this (http://www.blazelabs.com/l-vacuum.asp) experiment shows that the Lifter does not work in vacuum (there is similar experiments in the earlier link too) and the lift is explained by moving the air (supposed to be too weak in the first link).
Confusing just like entire Luftwaffe UFO stuff overall, fun to read anyway ;)
gripen
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Its true germans made ufos most never flew high off ground do to balance problems "wobbles". :noid
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Well, seriouysly the Luftwaffe UFO stories are pretty much alike movie "The Blair Witch Project"; some people believe but most don't. However, both still have a value as good entertainment. I particularly liked "the Aldebaran" part.
The Lifter is a bit different case; anyone can build one and it's quite amazing to see it lift once the power is turned on. I've seen one demonstration of it and infact I have pretty much all the needed stuff here at home to build it (assuming that an old CRT monitor delivers needed voltage). But obiviouysly there is no particular magic behind it; just an interesting phenomena.
gripen
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Yes, too many fantasies coupled together in these stories tend to direct away from what is the real subject in these stories.
The question is: Has somebody been able to invent devices which can create some sort of antigravitational forces or even ideas which can lead to create these devices in the future.
In my mind the interesting question is not if nazi ufos flew to Mars,
or not even if these devices have been somewhere "back engineered" from ditched ET material...:p
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I've been through the presentation.
Lots of interesting things.
Okay, are the UFO's just military craft?
Is todays technology able to "lighten" aircraft?
I think those two are rather logical questions.
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I think one intersting application is the conductive layer in the wing leading edge which could decrease drag and in laboratory conditions even make the wing move through air. The idea is presented here in a different application:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm
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Well, that's the same link I posted days ago; an amazing thing anyway.
gripen
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Sry bout that Gripen.
Here is the actual application:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/ehdaero.htm
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No problem Charge. There is huge amount of experiments listed in the Naudin's site; some by hobbyist, some by large companies.
BTW, the Lithium-polymer (Li-po) batteries are closing performance level where internally powered lifter might be soon possible. J. Naudin's "Maximus II" lifts 60 g playload with 390 W and as an example new generation of Li-pos weighing 60 g (3x800mAh lipos in series with voltage 12,6) do about 20C dis-charge rate (20 times capacity) ie given playload can produce now around 200-250 W assuming that a very light voltage-voltage converter can be made. So within couple years there might be radio controlled lifters.
gripen
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Originally posted by gripen
No problem Charge. There is huge amount of experiments listed in the Naudin's site; some by hobbyist, some by large companies.
BTW, the Lithium-polymer (Li-po) batteries are closing performance level where internally powered lifter might be soon possible. J. Naudin's "Maximus II" lifts 60 g playload with 390 W and as an example new generation of Li-pos weighing 60 g (3x800mAh lipos in series with voltage 12,6) do about 20C dis-charge rate (20 times capacity) ie given playload can produce now around 200-250 W assuming that a very light voltage-voltage converter can be made. So within couple years there might be radio controlled lifters.
gripen
these things need over 20KV to run though....
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Originally posted by Overlag
these things need over 20KV to run though....
That's why I mentioned the voltage-voltage converter. The switching type converter can be made very small nowadays and with good efficiency.
gripen
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My electric fence puts out 10 Kv, and I think you have 20+ Kv inside a TV set.