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Help and Support Forums => Technical Support => Topic started by: Gazoo on January 30, 2000, 07:48:00 AM
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Hi guys, I would like to play, but my current setup won't allow AH to run. (the competition does work, along with EAW)
I am required to run Windows 2000 as the software I am writing is targeted for Windows 2000 using some of the new cool com+ features.
My box:
Pentium III 550
256 MB RAM
Creative Labs Banshee 16 MB AGP
Soundblaster Live Value
MS PP Joystick
MS IntelliMouse
The problem I have is not that the software doesn't run, but that the mouse does not move. The AH cursor is stuck at coordinates 0, 0. However I do see the Windows mouse cursor, IF the mouse coordinates are at the screen edge.
What could you guys be doing different? I don't believe there is any difference in the Mouse messages between Windows 9X and and Windows 2000 (never done any DirectX programming though)
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"Just Plane Nuts"
Gazoo
http://plaza.v-wave.com/SolarStorm/index.htm (http://plaza.v-wave.com/SolarStorm/index.htm)
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I don't know, we haven't looked at Win2K and AH issues yet. Is there any other problems besides that one? Are you able to fly using the .fly command?
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
"If it's stupid but works, it's not stupid."
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Can't get logged in at all because I can't move the mouse to press any of the buttons to get past the login screen.
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"Just Plane Nuts"
Gazoo
http://plaza.v-wave.com/SolarStorm/index.htm (http://plaza.v-wave.com/SolarStorm/index.htm)
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Hey Pyro,
Just dropping by to let you know there are more than a couple of people interested in playing this game under Win2k. Good luck on getting a speedy resolution.
AKDejaVu
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Gazoo,
What build of 2000 are you running?
I am running 2195 (oem release) and do not have that problem, (I have no sound in game)
which is a driver related problem with the dsound3d.dll version 5.00.2134.0001 & and the Soundblaster Live drivers.
My system is :
PII 450
256 MB
SB Live (Retail)
Win 2000/98se (dual boot)
2000 is build 2195
VooDoo 3 3000 (agp)
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!!! Heater !!!
Shit Happens All The Time
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I am using 2128. I was using 2195 but I found a but in the character buffer that caused a failure in our software product. It seams that in 2195 on some machines the character buffer holds on to the " character until the next message comes through. Not a problem unless that " is the only thing you want to type. Then the apps never receive it.
I can't figure out what would be different on my machine. Other DirectX games work fine. Both EAW and the competition.
Thanks for responding.
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"Just Plane Nuts"
Gazoo
http://plaza.v-wave.com/SolarStorm/index.htm (http://plaza.v-wave.com/SolarStorm/index.htm)
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Just FYI HTC gang, I also use Win2K, although I currently dual-boot to 98 for gaming.
If you can get AH running on W2K around retail release time for W2k (couple of weeks), that would rock. If not... well it's OK for the short term, but very soon I will expunge Win9x from my machines forever. Once more people try out W2K, I won't be the only one. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Lephturn
The Flying Pigs
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Originally posted by Gazoo:
The problem I have is not that the software doesn't run, but that the mouse does not move. The AH cursor is stuck at coordinates 0, 0. However I do see the Windows mouse cursor, IF the mouse coordinates are at the screen edge.
Hi,
I have excatly the same problem as you do. Hope this will get fixed soon. In the meantime, when I get home from work today, I'll try changing video drivers just to see if I'll be able to make it run after all.
mx22
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Yet anoter forced convert to W2K... hope AH becomes compatible soon!!!!!!!!!!
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Just loaded Win2k on the dual xeon system today. My mousecursor moves, but only around the outside border. If I try to bring it away from the border, it disappears.
Is there any command line type commands that can take you right to the game (log you on)? I don't need the mouse once I am in.. only to get in.
AKDejaVu
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Using the Tab and space keys should move your focus between the various buttons and then operate them. I'm not sure if you get a visual indicator of the movement, so some trial and error might be necessary.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
"If it's stupid but works, it's not stupid."
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I'm between Win2k installs at the moment, so I can't test this but MS just put this patch out for Win2k:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/downloads/deployment/appcompat/default.asp (http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/downloads/deployment/appcompat/default.asp)
It allows compatibility with a ton of apps, mostly games. It's worth a shot if you are trying to get AH to run in Win2k.
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs
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OK... got the link to work.
Pyro... I tried using the TAB/Spacebar routine. It didn't work. I verified I was hitting tab the right number of times (TAB once.. then 3 spacebars) to get into the game.. nothing.
I got the same results with and without the patch that Lephturn suggested.
AKDejaVu
[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 02-22-2000).]
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My edit didn't move the thread up... I fear being overlooked.
AKDejaVu
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Me too AK, Still no joy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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"Just Plane Nuts"
Gazoo
http://plaza.v-wave.com/SolarStorm/index.htm (http://plaza.v-wave.com/SolarStorm/index.htm)
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I just found this little gem. Haven't had a chance to try it out yet but will as soon as I reboot
;-)
NT FAQ (http://www.ntfaq.com/ntfaq/compat6.html#compat6)
[This message has been edited by Toffer (edited 02-25-2000).]
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Have build 2195, using Voodoo3 AGP
Mouse moves around edge of screen but not over the graphics. I also see what appears to be a mouse pointer frozen in one corner of the screen, even though the true mouse pointer will move as commanded.
Gazoo and Heater, what type of graphic cards do you have? It is interesting that Heater and I have the same build, but one has the problem and one doesn't.
[This message has been edited by PapaFox (edited 02-28-2000).]
[This message has been edited by PapaFox (edited 02-28-2000).]
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Don't know the build no (at work) but I have the first release version (came in febs MSDN subscription) and still no joy. I am using a Creative Labs Banshee 16 MB agp.
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"Just Plane Nuts"
Gazoo
http://plaza.v-wave.com/SolarStorm/index.htm (http://plaza.v-wave.com/SolarStorm/index.htm)
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are yall kiddin a windows product is never ready for actual use for at least 1 or as many as 5 years after the initial relese. generaly wien the next "new" operating system is out the old one is safe to use lol .. god be with you your gonna need him
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Towd,
How do you think a new operating system gets ready for prime time? It takes a few curious (and patient) souls to make it happen. Besides, once we get it right, we'll be cruising effortlessly with Win2000 while you're rebooting your Win98 computer because of some memory issue.
You're absolutely right that one shouldn't jump right into Win2000, though, thinking it'll work just fine. I STRONGLY recommend that Win2000 be installed for dual-boot. To do this, you need to install win2000 on a different volume (drive letter). Use Partition magic to add another volume to your hard disk and then install Win2000 from scratch in the new volume, rather than over the top of Win98. It'll take more work to set up your applications again, but at least you can revert to Win98 as needed.
Let's press on.
[This message has been edited by PapaFox (edited 02-28-2000).]
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Anyone out there successful in getting past the invisible mouse pointer problem? If so, I would be curious how AH works on Win2000.
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Originally posted by PapaFox:
Anyone out there successful in getting past the invisible mouse pointer problem? If so, I would be curious how AH works on Win2000.
So far noone has succeeded as far as I know. Hope someone will solve the problem 'cause I'll have to switch to it soon (as of now AH is the only thing that keeps me on Win98).
mx22
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Hi all,
Just wanted to throw my name into the hat too. Have Win2K and would like to try AH if the keyboard problem can be fixed.
Tea
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Should be ready to go with W2K in the next version.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
Most plans are just inaccurate predictions.
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Pyro wrote:
Should be ready to go with W2K in the next version.
Great! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I, too, use Win2k as main OS (French build 2195), and I only keep Win98SE to play WB and AH. (For the moment, my joystick - a MS SW 3D Pro! - isn't Win2k compatible but I'm going to buy a new one just after WBCon...)
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DrSoya
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF
Part of Northolt Wing (http://www.raf303.org/northolt)
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Add me to the W2K crowd. Lack of W2k support and lack of bandwidth are the main reasons that I haven't been flying online.
I am also disappointed that HTC seem to have forgotten previous problem posts. All the problems reported in this thread have been previously reported to HTC by myself and others. How much better it would have been if HTC had responded with a list of the reported W2k bugs and their fix status.
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Originally posted by Pyro:
Should be ready to go with W2K in the next version.
Hi Pyro,
Thanks for the update. I look forward to trying your game.
Tea
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QTS,
If you think you can fix those problems faster, stop by the HTC offices in Grapevine, Texas I'm sure they would love the help.
I am also disappointed that HTC seem to have forgotten previous problem posts. All the problems reported in this thread have been previously reported to HTC by myself and others. How much better it would have been if HTC had responded with a list of the reported W2k bugs and their fix status.
These guys have done a wonderful job of fixing problems and adding new content in a timely manner. Whining about your "personnel" problem is not going to get it done any faster. I'm sure that every problem reported on this board is jotted down somewhere, assigned a priority and will get fixed as time and resources become available.
Sharky
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Playboy Leader
307th FS/31st FG
You can run but ya just die tired
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Well, I'd love to, but as I'm in the UK, that'd be a tad difficult, but I expect to be open for employment offers in August, possibly sooner (I'm a contractor and the IT Dept is being outsourced).
I am by trade a network admin, BOFH, and software support guy. Part of this involves problem tracking: it's not glamorous, but it's a life-saver, preventing developers from forgetting about bugs.
For reference, I'm currently on UKP 25/ US$40 (approx) an hour.
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W2K support has not been a high priority for us. Even with 1.03, we still won't officially support it just yet.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
Most plans are just inaccurate predictions.
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I've been whining for win2k support for a while and it even cost me a bottle of prime champagne.. but most of the issues I read here are new to me.
The only win2k problem I have is that AH won't take any keyboard input. RW will however work with keys and so do windows and Alt tabs.
Framerate is perfect..no lag and mouse works fine for me.
I think some of you are running the old trial version of win2k or you are having trouble with your hardware driver.. wich can be a real squeak.
But version 2128??? That's like beta2 isnt it? Don't think anyone will ever support that.
For the keyboard problems I've had HiTech's assurance that this is fixed under 1.03.. as for other problems.. they mainly stem from driver troubles under win2k. Tip: run the latest reference drivers for everything. If a device doesn't have a manufacturer driver, try the reference but forget the NT once.. they suck.. escpecialy with games that use the directx API's.
My 2 cents..