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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: wrag on October 10, 2006, 04:05:51 PM
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See Rule #5
If you are going to start a thread, then add something other than a cut-n-paste. It is considered a troll otherwise.
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wrag, do not cut-b-paste. Provide the link and your commentary. Articles on other sites tend to be copyrighted.
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OOPS sorry...............
OK here, wait some clarafication 1st.
The author of this article paints with a pretty wide brush!
I do NOT consider anyone that post to, or reads this BBS to be included as such.
It is offered as a POSSIBLE reason athiest get the reaction they do.
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/10/10/marxist-subversion-and-perversion-of-americas-youth/
discussion?
AND PLEASE I DO MEAN DISCUSSION!!!!
This is intended as food for thought and NOT an ATTACK on athiest or anyone else.
And please avoid bringing any of the article over here! Skuzzy has a VALID point!! that article may be copyrighted!!!!
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When you shoot down an atheist... just what do they say??
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Originally posted by Shuffler
When you shoot down an atheist... just what do they say??
" OH **** !!!"
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Originally posted by Shuffler
When you shoot down an atheist... just what do they say??
IMHO probably the same thing anyone else would say...................
ODD question Shuffler............ humor?
Made me want to LOL, thinkin that is what you intended?
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Originally posted by Shuffler
When you shoot down an atheist... just what do they say??
Originally posted by wrag
Made me want to LOL, thinkin that is what you intended?
Mmkay... that's kinda odd.
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That's a seriously deranged article, up there with the nonsense coming from the ayatolahs or the taliban. That woman by writing it and you by helping spread it are doing a disservice to the very cause you claim to support.
I'm an atheist. I don't dislike most Christians and see good in most of what they do. But the kind of evil stupidity displayed in that pamphlet incenses me.
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Well, this Athiest only cares for one groups perception of my choice, those who insist on knocking on my door trying to sell their snake oil of a religion.
I reserve a special hello just for these folks that they will remember and tell their friends about.
I give the same treatment too, but with a bit more animation in my gestures, republican canvasers.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Mmkay... that's kinda odd.
SIR..........
Why?
1st thought in my mind was why would someone expressing they are a athiest say anything different then say an agnostic, muslim, budhist, hindu, christian, or whatever...................
Figured Shuffler was going for humor..........
So my 1st reaction was to see it as humorus.
Then it occurred to me perhaps he was serious. I see no "humor" or "sarcasm" or "serious" marks or indicators for post on this BBS or any other i've ever looked at. Have you? So I asked a question.
So how is it odd?
Hope you have the ability to discuss this article.
I see repeated post by you that seem to express you are against religion.
I also see post by you that seem to express presecution of athiest.
I have offered something that perhaps can help us see one another viewpoints better.
I don't think it will go anywhere if this is made personal.
I don't KNOW you. I only know of you by your post. I am unable to see your face, or your body language, or hear the tones in your voice. Tools we all use in communicating are lacking here.
I find the post made by you are often interesting, and often worthy of discussion.
SADLY, from the methods used by you in your post, I've come to hold the impression that discussion is NOT what you seek.
If I'm incorrect then perhaps now would be a good time to show me?
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Quite a bit of analysis of a couple words. It read like the thought of shooting an atheist made you want to "LOL", that was interesting.
With respect, I don't expect a productive conversation with you, and I'm excercising my right to sit back and let you build your straw man argument unassisted. Best regards, and I hope that you'll eventually reconsider the role of religion as pertains to stomping on us lil' ol' unbelievers.
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Originally posted by takeda
That's a seriously deranged article, up there with the nonsense coming from the ayatolahs or the taliban. That woman by writing it and you by helping spread it are doing a disservice to the very cause you claim to support.
I'm an atheist. I don't dislike most Christians and see good in most of what they do. But the kind of evil stupidity displayed in that pamphlet incenses me.
Hmm...............
So that is how you see the article?
Please keep in mind I neither agree nor disagree.............
I posted the article for discussion.
The impression I get is you do not even wish to discuss it?
Questions......
Spreading? You are claiming that by posting this I'm spreading? So is that what others are doing on this BBS spreading things?
Refusal to see anothers views? Do you truely believe that by refusing to even look at the other persons views will make them go away? That those views will cease to exist?
Up there with the taliban? With the ayatolahs? I SAW NO CALL for the death of anyone?????????????????????????
Did I miss something in the article? Please point it out if I did!
"But the kind of evil stupidity displayed in that pamphlet incenses me."
Evil? Stupidity? Please explain this portion of your post. AND PLEASE KEEP in mind that just because you call it such does NOT mean others see it as so. Others COULD see the article as combating evil and stupidity.
Becoming incensesed can make it difficult to think clearly. Please overcome you emotions on this and reply AFTER thinking it through.
Also please keep in mind that your justification for saying such will only HELP your stance!
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I LOL'd at the irony of this statement:
He reasoned that if Christian sexual ethics such as chastity (abstinence), fidelity, and monogamy could be undermined among children, then both the hated traditional family and Christianity would be dealt crippling blows
Wouldn't want athiests corrupting the choir boys would we :D
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Quite a bit of analysis of a couple words. It read like the thought of shooting an atheist made you want to "LOL", that was interesting.
With respect, I don't expect a productive conversation with you, and I'm excercising my right to sit back and let you build your straw man argument unassisted. Best regards, and I hope that you'll eventually reconsider the role of religion as pertains to stomping on us lil' ol' unbelievers.
Not trying to build anything but a discussion. So far I don't see discussion happining I see mostly hostility?
Trying to keep it non-personal.
I see someone claiming the article is evil and stupid but no real justification put forward for such a claim. Please keep in mind I'm not agreeing or disagreeing.
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Posted by Vulcan
"I LOL'd at the irony of this statement:
quote:He reasoned that if Christian sexual ethics such as chastity (abstinence), fidelity, and monogamy could be undermined among children, then both the hated traditional family and Christianity would be dealt crippling blows
Wouldn't want athiests corrupting the choir boys would we "
Actually the article does paint with a pretty BROAD brush.
I think however that the possibilty that some people SEE such as a possibilty, that some have expressed the view that the traditional family is going away, perhaps should not be ignored?
Would you care to address that?
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Originally posted by wrag
I see someone claiming the article is evil and stupid but no real justification put forward for such a claim. Please keep in mind I'm not agreeing or disagreeing.
The idea that there is some grand athiestic conspiracy to destroy western civilization is at best, absurd. What is there to discuss? I mean beside the paranoia of that particular author.
asw
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Originally posted by wrag
Posted by Vulcan
"I LOL'd at the irony of this statement:
quote:He reasoned that if Christian sexual ethics such as chastity (abstinence), fidelity, and monogamy could be undermined among children, then both the hated traditional family and Christianity would be dealt crippling blows
Wouldn't want athiests corrupting the choir boys would we "
Actually the article does paint with a pretty BROAD brush.
I think however that the possibilty that some people SEE such as a possibilty, that some have expressed the view that the traditional family is going away, perhaps should not be ignored?
Would you care to address that?
Take a random sample of convicted pedophiles and get back to me with the ratio of christians to atheists.
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Originally posted by detch01
The idea that there is some grand athiestic conspiracy to destroy western civilization is at best, absurd. What is there to discuss? I mean beside the paranoia of that particular author.
asw
Hmmm...........
the article covers far more then just athiest.
Yet I see again no attempt to discuss. Thus far only to discredit.
No effort is made to discuss a view point that has been put forward?
No attempt thus far to address the fact that some people see this as possibly true? Or that some people may see a grain of truth in the article.
Just the claim that it is evil, stupid, and now we add absurd.
NO justification why it is evil, stupid, or absurd. Just that it is. Repeatedly I have request justification for such claims.
None has be forthcoming thus far.
Now why is that?
Perhaps I can get someone to elaborate on why this SEEMS to be the case?
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Take a random sample of convicted pedophiles and get back to me with the ratio of christians to atheists.
Again the article discusses FAR MORE then pedophiles..........
Is that truely the only part of the article you can see????
IMHO I don't need to take a random sample of anything SIR!
I need to find someone that is actually willing to discuss what is in the article.
Attempts to discredit, or otherwise THROW out the article will NOT make it go away.
If you ONLY wish to discredit, then perhaps you will be happier seeking another thread?
Thus far NO discussion................... ...................
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Originally posted by Shuffler
When you shoot down an atheist... just what do they say??
"Darwin! Save me!"
"... wait, I suppose I'm not strong enough to survive."
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Originally posted by wrag
Thus far NO discussion................... ...................
LOL if you want to buy into the load that that article represents be my guest. IMO there is nothing in that article worth discussing. I do find it interesting that you feel the need for other people to have a discussion on it. Mayhaps you are looking for someone to do your thinking for you?
Just a question.
asw
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Originally posted by wrag
Thus far NO discussion................... ...................
Says the christian with his hands over his ears singing LA LA LA
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"While propagandists in the media have deftly kept the attention of most folks riveted on what they’ve been told to believe are the ‘real threats’ to America, such as gas prices, genuine Christianity, and mad cow disease, Marxist-trained psychopoliticians, propagandists, and change agents have descended upon the schools and are subjecting children and older youth to thought control and social re-engineering methodologies."
First off the media does what it likes, no other single group in the country has so much power, yet has no real guardians, controlers, or other checks & balances. There is zero accountablity in the media, none, zip, nada. They have certain standards they are supposed to stay within imposed by the FCC. Yet when is the last time you heard of the FCC imposing sanctions on ANYONE?
If the media prints something that is not true they say it was a "mistake".
Prove the media wrong and they print a 1 paragraph retraction on page 8. So if you really want to discuss whats wrong with this country start with the media.
Next, WTF is a "psychopoliticians" ???? This stinks like a made up bunch of BS to me. Plus I thought all politicians were psycho, like a job requirement. You'd have to be nuts to want that job. I mean really, wouldn't you?
As to descended on the schools, ROFLMAO.
Change has ALWAYS happened through the education system.
Thats what its there for, thats its reason for existing.
So now a minor change is happening they someone doesn't agree with.
Yet if you gave them the chance they'd do the exact same thing only in their favor. Can anyone say double standard?
Schools, colleges & university's have always been on average more liberal than the rest of the country at any given point you want to pick. Its the way it is, the way its always been. Tis the nature of the beast, so get over it.
Wrag I have a lot of respect for you, but obviously no one else wants to get into a mud slinging contest with you. Hmmmm wonder why?
I have to agree with Takeda, this isn't an article, or news, its propaganda.
And like most good propaganda its full of half truths, misleading statements and plain out & out BS. In fact its so full of BS it Stinks!
You want to discuss something, lets discuss how to put a halter on our run away media. Just because individuals were granted the right to free speech, does not mean we don't have to be held accountable for those words.
Rabble rousers used to be tarred, feathered, & run out of town on a rail. Whens the last time you saw anyone in the media seriously reprimanded for
doing the same?
Thats whats going wrong with our society, not religion or the lack of it.
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Ok, I'll discuss it...
Linda is upset that PG County can't disallow a gay club on school grounds.
So she declares all gays to be "cultural marxists", new left and, commies... commies came from Russia (who took Poland), therefore they're atheists as well. Bright gal there. Also the media and the ACLU are in on it!! Leftists are supported by BIG NAME Democrats!! who therfore are also commies.
And the John D. and Catherine T MacArthur Foundation support democrats...and SCIENCE CHANNEL broadcasts...so all scientists are commie athests too!! <--she missed that one, I insert it for free
Linda's family is falling apart because YOU aren't acting like a christian.
And just to prove she's intellectually equivalent to all of them, she calls the whole ball of wax the "Church of Criminal Orthodoxy"
LOL
'cause if they're a church they HAVE to be as ignorant and evil as she.
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Originally posted by detch01
LOL if you want to buy into the load that that article represents be my guest. IMO there is nothing in that article worth discussing. I do find it interesting that you feel the need for other people to have a discussion on it. Mayhaps you are looking for someone to do your thinking for you?
Just a question.
asw
Hmm.............
Are you projecting some kinda something here?
I have repeatedly said I'm not agreeing or disagreeing.
Not saying I buy anything.
Saying that the article to some people contains truth or a grain of truth. You and several others keep calling the article this or that but I STILL don't see a justification for your response, AND I keep asking for one.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Says the christian with his hands over his ears singing LA LA LA
I have seen NO DISCUSSION SO FAR ONLY NAME CALLING, or claims that it's B.S. so we should just ignore it.
I have repeatedly request justification, you know, a reason why it is B.S. or why it should be called names. NADDA so far on that request.
That is NOT discussion IMHO.
That is avoiding the subject.
Hey perhaps your words thus far make perfect sense to you. That does not mean they make perfect sense to others. SO how about explaining the reason for your words? That is what I keep asking.
Are you claiming everyone thinks exactly as you and therefore the just KNOW what you mean?
Are we all mind readers perhaps?
Is it that you are unable?
BTW I was just wondering if what i'm accused of above isn't what many posting to this thread are guilty of?
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Originally posted by Ghosth
"While propagandists in the media have deftly kept the attention of most folks riveted on what they’ve been told to believe are the ‘real threats’ to America, such as gas prices, genuine Christianity, and mad cow disease, Marxist-trained psychopoliticians, propagandists, and change agents have descended upon the schools and are subjecting children and older youth to thought control and social re-engineering methodologies."
First off the media does what it likes, no other single group in the country has so much power, yet has no real guardians, controlers, or other checks & balances. There is zero accountablity in the media, none, zip, nada. They have certain standards they are supposed to stay within imposed by the FCC. Yet when is the last time you heard of the FCC imposing sanctions on ANYONE?
If the media prints something that is not true they say it was a "mistake".
Prove the media wrong and they print a 1 paragraph retraction on page 8. So if you really want to discuss whats wrong with this country start with the media.
Next, WTF is a "psychopoliticians" ???? This stinks like a made up bunch of BS to me. Plus I thought all politicians were psycho, like a job requirement. You'd have to be nuts to want that job. I mean really, wouldn't you?
As to descended on the schools, ROFLMAO.
Change has ALWAYS happened through the education system.
Thats what its there for, thats its reason for existing.
So now a minor change is happening they someone doesn't agree with.
Yet if you gave them the chance they'd do the exact same thing only in their favor. Can anyone say double standard?
Schools, colleges & university's have always been on average more liberal than the rest of the country at any given point you want to pick. Its the way it is, the way its always been. Tis the nature of the beast, so get over it.
Wrag I have a lot of respect for you, but obviously no one else wants to get into a mud slinging contest with you. Hmmmm wonder why?
I have to agree with Takeda, this isn't an article, or news, its propaganda.
And like most good propaganda its full of half truths, misleading statements and plain out & out BS. In fact its so full of BS it Stinks!
You want to discuss something, lets discuss how to put a halter on our run away media. Just because individuals were granted the right to free speech, does not mean we don't have to be held accountable for those words.
Rabble rousers used to be tarred, feathered, & run out of town on a rail. Whens the last time you saw anyone in the media seriously reprimanded for
doing the same?
Thats whats going wrong with our society, not religion or the lack of it.
SIR :D
Thank you :D
Finally someone that puts his words in a format other then name calling or claiming thats B.S.
OK Questions please....
A start.....
Some will tie in the (ok our) run away media with a very strong leftward slant.
I've seen just this argument and I'm inclined to think You have too.
The claim would be, will be, is? Most of the media is inclined to look the other way or even help.................
Oh and this...........
Psychopoliticians it is a word coined by the left actually. Or I seem to recall it used in the past by the left. Perhaps I don't remember it quite right.
What is that bald guys name? The one that comes on screaming trailor park trash n such? Think he was defending WJ Klinton?
Some claim, think within the left, he is such a one.
Also............
You ever look into military history? Read any Tsun Tzu?
And..........
I find myself somewhat in disagreement with you on the education portion of your answer, the deffinition, that you seem to pose is what I have the most trouble with. That and the facts pointing to the steady dumbing down of our young people. The SEEMING failure to teach, to give our young people the basic tools such as reading, etc........
BTW I noticed even you seem to think I'm taking a side here. I keep saying I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing. I'm looking for discussion.
You are the 1st to try to talk and NOT name call and at least you put forward your reasons for saying it's B.S. and we should ignore it.
I thank you.
Now lets discuss shall we :D
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Originally posted by Booz
Ok, I'll discuss it...
Linda is upset that PG County can't disallow a gay club on school grounds.
So she declares all gays to be "cultural marxists", new left and, commies... commies came from Russia (who took Poland), therefore they're atheists as well. Bright gal there. Also the media and the ACLU are in on it!! Leftists are supported by BIG NAME Democrats!! who therfore are also commies.
And the John D. and Catherine T MacArthur Foundation support democrats...and SCIENCE CHANNEL broadcasts...so all scientists are commie athests too!! <--she missed that one, I insert it for free
Linda's family is falling apart because YOU aren't acting like a christian.
And just to prove she's intellectually equivalent to all of them, she calls the whole ball of wax the "Church of Criminal Orthodoxy"
LOL
'cause if they're a church they HAVE to be as ignorant and evil as she.
Hmmm..............
Well its a step I guess.
Not sure it's what I would call discussion.
I have to say I've been following both the claims of the left and the claims of the right for a very long time now. I've been watching,asking questions, thinking, etc....
Not sure that what you've posted is .......... ummm real accurate as to what I thought I read in the article.
Care to refraise any of it? Maybe discuss portions of it you find most offensive or perhaps least offensive? Or did you find any portion to be even vaguely close to any actual occurance?
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They mingled freely with nude males, topless females, and sadomasochists. Simulated sex acts were performed along the parade route
I dont see a problem.
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Originally posted by wrag
Not sure that what you've posted is .......... ummm real accurate as to what I thought I read in the article.
I will have to hear what you think you read. As I see it, and as others have already pointed out, it's all unfounded name calling based upon bald assertion. I just paraphrased it for you.
The weakesk link of all was to atheism, yet you've titled the entire thread about it. Why is that?
"The plain truth is that both the GSA and Gay, Lesbian, Straight Educators Network (GLSEN), the organization that registers GSAs, are part of a vast, interconnected network of Cultural Marxist front groups known collectively as the New Left." -no evidence presented, just declaration of plain truth.
Then GSLEN and ACLU are communists because a communist site links to them.
Now she can call them all atheists. Do you buy this?
Given your understanding of the content of her rant against PG countys legal standing, what is the significance of calling everyone she doesn't like the "Church of Criminal Orthodoxy" and do you agree with this portrayal?
I've never seen this "church" ever found guilty of sexual abuse of children... other churches, sure.
I mean really, how many atheists have been found in public office seducing kids? I think her IFF is broken.
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I am a tireless foe of the GLSEN organization, Gay and Lesbian PTA organizations and the like in Broward County Florida:
GLSEN (http://www.stevekaneshow.com/glsen.htm)
I have no problem with athiests, except when they attack other belief systems or try to portray themselves as more consequential than other belief systems regarding the existance of "GOD." I defend the civil rights of atheists.
I don't know why someone would attempt to link the two, except to further an agenda.
Still, correlations relating to politics can be made, and what those correlations might mean can be discussed, but somehow I don't think it would be very productive here.
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"Some will tie in the (ok our) run away media with a very strong leftward slant.
I've seen just this argument and I'm inclined to think You have too.
The claim would be, will be, is? Most of the media is inclined to look the other way or even help................."
To me which way the media is biased is another like expecting schools to be right wing/christian. They are the way they are, your not going to change it.
Comes back to the old chesnut, "Only believe 1/10 of what you hear, 1/4 of what you read, and 1/2 of what you see"
You need to weigh every sentence in your head as your reading. Is this plausable? Probable? Can it be substanciated? Does it ring true? Or does it smell like horse droppings? What does the writer hope to gain? What proof does he offer? The difference between real journalism and rabble rousing lays in the answers to these and other questions.
If you stand up in a crowded movie theater and yell fire you can be held liable for resulting damages. In spite of your "freedom of speech" You are expected to use it honestly, and considering consequences.
Our current media is in no way held accountable for what it puts out.
They let anyone yell fire in a crowded theater, indeed it happens every day.
Like a runaway train there is no one at the controls. If there was the article you wish to discuss would never have seen daylight. (which is my point btw)
Snip "I find myself somewhat in disagreement with you on the education portion of your answer, the deffinition, that you seem to pose is what I have the most trouble with. That and the facts pointing to the steady dumbing down of our young people. The SEEMING failure to teach, to give our young people the basic tools such as reading, etc........"
Part of what your bringing up has nothing to do with the education system. And has everything to do with todays parents & children. It in no way reflects on the topic, that the education system has been liberalised.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can NOT make him drink.
You can put a child in school, but you can NOT make him want to learn.
That has to be accomplished by parents and the child itself.
I will say that not letting teachers disiplene children that need it has made this problem huge, epidemic in size. We are reaping what we have sowed, and will continue to do so.
Snippage
As to descended on the schools, ROFLMAO.
Change has ALWAYS happened through the education system.
Thats what its there for, thats its reason for existing.
So now a minor change is happening they someone doesn't agree with.
Yet if you gave them the chance they'd do the exact same thing only in their favor. Can anyone say double standard?
Schools, colleges & university's have always been on average more liberal than the rest of the country at any given point you want to pick. Its the way it is, the way its always been. Tis the nature of the beast, so get over it.
Sniippage
Exactly what part of this do you disagree with wrag? You didn't exactly say.
The fact that Colleges & University's have always been harbours for the Liberal? Why do you think they call them "Liberal Arts" ???
Or the fact that change tends to come from the Universitys and trickles down through society? Again proveable if your willing to dig. All the way back to the founding of this country!
No I'm not accusing you of taking a side Wrag. I mean exactly what I said. That is no one seems to want to play this particular game with you, & I wonder why. Gee, you suppose they've played this game before?
Maybe they think you don't play fair? Or just don't like the rules you play by.
Either way its no big deal her. Beats going outside to rake leaves & get ready for winter.
& enjoy
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Of course the article is one sided and very generalized but...
No worse than the litany of hate and depression that chair spews about the theists.
It also contains some general truths in that athiesm is the choice of the left and the socialist.
I don't want anyone telling me what I can and can't do... not the thiests and..... for sure not... the athiests socialists.
I see athiesm as a mostly socialist movement with that as an agenda. the article at least points that out.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
No worse than the litany of hate and depression that chair spews about the theists.
Cite some examples of hate I've "spewed" and I'll retract it, that has never been my intention. I'll need specific examples.
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look at your latest why I hate christians thread... while you yourself don't make the accusations.... you let the link do it. you don't agree with the link?
lazs
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I didn't see any christian bashing in that link. You're talking about the YouTube movie, right? Show me hatred in there and I'll post to the thread and be very clear about my disapproval of that. I stand behind my words, I respond to criticism, and I fess up when I've made a mistake.
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Lost cause wrag but I give ya an A for effort. :aok
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Looks like some propoganda to me, in fact, it's related more to Pravda from the Communist days than the author realises..
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Anyone care to answer the following?
Question: What is pattern analysis..................... ....
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Originally posted by Delirium
"Darwin! Save me!"
"... wait, I suppose I'm not strong enough to survive."
:rofl
Regards,
Sun
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wrag,
Good of you to try to stimulate discussion, but that article is so over the top and baseless that I'm not even going to touch on it. That woman has no idea what she's talking about. I wonder if she's ever really met an atheist.
Misinformation like that is why atheists are forced to defend themselves, as in the other thread that has gotten so long. Take a dilusional political perspective based on nothing but lies, combine it with a dilusional religious perspective based also on lies and you get that crap.
Since when have atheists been telling others what to believe? Certainly won't see them in shirt sleeves knocking on your door!
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Originally posted by 68Hawk
wrag,
Good of you to try to stimulate discussion, but that article is so over the top and baseless that I'm not even going to touch on it. That woman has no idea what she's talking about. I wonder if she's ever really met an atheist.
Misinformation like that is why atheists are forced to defend themselves, as in the other thread that has gotten so long. Take a dilusional political perspective based on nothing but lies, combine it with a dilusional religious perspective based also on lies and you get that crap.
Since when have atheists been telling others what to believe? Certainly won't see them in shirt sleeves knocking on your door!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
OK
Wasn't trying anything in the stance department.
I neither agree nor disagree with the article.
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Originally posted by Hawco
Looks like some propoganda to me, in fact, it's related more to Pravda from the Communist days than the author realises..
:rofl
Like the right has anything over the left here?????
The entire point of this post has been pretty much ignored IMHO.
I repeatedly said I neither agree nor disagree with the article.
The article was NOT the point!
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IMHO so much is being ignored here..................
IMHO some of it is actually valuble knowledge, AKA real information.
Discussion was the point of this post. I was NOT taking a stance for OR against the article.
I have to say, from my viewpoint, I saw very little discussion, or perhaps NONE is a more accurate statement, of what I call discussion in the replies posted.
I suppose I could go back through each post and express my appreciation for those that actually tried to discuss. With far too many of the replies I found myself picturing the individual posting with their nose in the air lookin down up this lowly, and possibly scum of the earth, person :rofl .
Most, the majority, posted attacks and name calling. Seems closed minds are not just on the right? Totally missing the point of this post AND some very interesting things were, as a result, passed right over, AKA thrown into the dust.
Anyone read Tsun Tzu?
The Go Rin No Sho?
Who is (can't speel it right but the pronounceation is) me-she lao-sue?
Ever watched "Dirty Dancing"?
How about "Jungle to Jungle"?
Both Adams family moives?
Is there a connection between these 4 films?
Is there a connection between me-she lao-sue and these 4 films?
Again...........
anyone care to define .............. pattern analysis?
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Originally posted by 68Hawk
wrag,
Good of you to try to stimulate discussion, but that article is so over the top and baseless that I'm not even going to touch on it. That woman has no idea what she's talking about. I wonder if she's ever really met an atheist.
Misinformation like that is why atheists are forced to defend themselves, as in the other thread that has gotten so long. Take a dilusional political perspective based on nothing but lies, combine it with a dilusional religious perspective based also on lies and you get that crap.
Since when have atheists been telling others what to believe? Certainly won't see them in shirt sleeves knocking on your door!
You may be talking about American Atheists not telling folks what they can or can't believe but worldwide Atheists have a bloody history of doing just that. In regards to American Athiests there's still the ACLU and others mentioned that would deny a person's right to free speech just because it is religious in nature.
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Originally posted by wrag
Anyone care to answer the following?
Question: What is pattern analysis..................... ....
that is what dress makers do when they go get material to make a dress.
word to the wise, never say ok hon when she wants you to go with her shopping for stuff to make dresses, drapes, curtains, or whatever. she gotta do all that pattern analyzing crap and asking me what looks good with what ever. < like I'd know or even care, I usually say what ever you think looks good hon. then go back to planning where I'm going hunting and fishing next. >
as for the article, dunno can't read it. page comes up blank. and the rip-n-paste gone before I could see it.
btw Newbs said yer sanging was like driving a nail thru his head. :p
oh and hiya, dont get all :furious if ya don't like my answer. you know it is true. :t
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Originally posted by DieAz
that is what dress makers do when they go get material to make a dress.
word to the wise, never say ok hon when she wants you to go with her shopping for stuff to make dresses, drapes, curtains, or whatever. she gotta do all that pattern analyzing crap and asking me what looks good with what ever. < like I'd know or even care, I usually say what ever you think looks good hon. then go back to planning where I'm going hunting and fishing next. >
as for the article, dunno can't read it. page comes up blank. and the rip-n-paste gone before I could see it.
btw Newbs said yer sanging was like driving a nail thru his head. :p
oh and hiya, dont get all :furious if ya don't like my answer. you know it is true. :t
:rofl
Good as any answer I guess..................
Hiyas n
where ya been?
NwBie said that???? MUHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaa aaa
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the writer of above linked text is an extremist, a christian one - seems to live in a very small world, roughly the same world as every extremist (religious, national, etc), filled with fear, denial, ignorance and hatred.
the article itself cannot be taken serious in any way. i do respect subjectivity in most cases - but this is worse than the messiest UFO-report. my greatest fear is that actually someone believes in such things (takes loads of ignorance and denial). :p
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commie
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Originally posted by wrag
IMHO so much is being ignored here..................
IMHO some of it is actually valuble knowledge, AKA real information.
Anyone read Tsun Tzu?
The Go Rin No Sho?
Who is (can't speel it right but the pronounceation is) me-she lao-sue?
Ever watched "Dirty Dancing"?
How about "Jungle to Jungle"?
Both Adams family moives?
Is there a connection between these 4 films?
Is there a connection between me-she lao-sue and these 4 films?
Again...........
anyone care to define .............. pattern analysis?
I've already asked to hear what you think you read.
The EAC is curious too (if it existed, which it doesn't)
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when i see an atheist, i point@it & say LOUDLY
:O zOMG an atheist!!:O!!1:Oone
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Thank God I'm an atheist!
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god bless you for that.
lazs
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Originally posted by lukster
You may be talking about American Atheists not telling folks what they can or can't believe but worldwide Atheists have a bloody history of doing just that. In regards to American Athiests there's still the ACLU and others mentioned that would deny a person's right to free speech just because it is religious in nature.
True, many groups in the 20th century who could be characterized as atheist actively supressed religion in their countries. True, communism as a doctrine does disavow religion and claims that it is part of the 'evil' world they are trying to tear down.
Just because a communist may be an atheist does not mean an atheist is a communist. Just because many atheists tend to be leftists or left leaning doesn't mean it is a prerequisite. I know die hard conservatives who speak more hatefully of religion than I.
The ACLU has fought on the side of religious groups as well as non religious groups in the past. While I don't always agree with what they're doing, and especially not with the ideas of those they defend, their purpose is to defend people's right to say controvercial things, among others. The ACLU is not an atheist organization bent on the destruction of religion.
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So is Mark Foley an atheist?
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Originally posted by 68Hawk
The ACLU is not an atheist organization bent on the destruction of religion.
They are bent on the suppression of all religions but socialism/communism.
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Originally posted by lukster
They are bent on the suppression of all religions but socialism/communism.
Thats a particularly ignorant statement. It took me all of 30 seconds to find cases where they upheld the rights of the religious.
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Originally posted by Booz
Thats a particularly ignorant statement. It took me all of 30 seconds to find cases where they upheld the rights of the religious.
I said all religions and I agree that's wrong. They are mostly focused on shutting up the fundamental Christians.
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Lukster: You have a problem with this? http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20522375-1702,00.html
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Doubly ignorant seeing as you were given a clue and actually had 30 seconds to use for yourself first.
Following Threat of ACLU of Virginia Lawsuit, Officials to Agree Not to Ban
Baptisms in Public Parks (06/03/2004)
RICHMOND, VA -- Under pressure from the American Civil Liberties Union of
Virginia, Falmouth Waterside Park Manager Brian Robinson has agreed not to prohibit baptisms in Stafford County, the ACLU announced today.
http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=15897&c=141
In Win for Rev. Falwell (and the ACLU), Judge Rules VA Must Allow Churches
to Incorporate (04/17/2002)
RICHMOND, VA--A federal judge has struck down a provision of the Virginia
Constitution that bans religious organizations from incorporating, in a
challenge filed by the Rev. Jerry Falwell and joined by the American Civil
Liberties Union of Virginia, the group announced today.
http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=10147&c=142
JERRY FALWELL EVEN !!!11
ACLU of Virginia Defends Federal Law Guaranteeing Religious Rights of Prisoners (06/12/2006)
RICHMOND, VA -- The American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia today filed a friend-of-the-court brief in the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals defending the constitutionality of the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA).
ACLU of New Jersey Defends Second-Grader's Right to Sing Religious Song (06/05/2006)
NEWARK, NJ -- The American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey today filed a friend-of-the-court brief in a case seeking to uphold an elementary school student's right to religious expression.
ACLU of Rhode Island Files Appeal on Behalf of Christian Prisoner Barred from Preaching at Religious Services (01/12/2006)
PROVIDENCE, RI -- The American Civil Liberties Union of Rhode Island announced today that it has filed an appeal in federal court on behalf of a Christian prisoner who was barred from preaching during religious
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Lukster: You have a problem with this? http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20522375-1702,00.html
I have no problem at all giving a dead soldier the emblem of his/her choice on their grave marker. I'm not interested in joining a protest over it though.
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I will add that the typical religious symbol conveys meaning in regards to the afterlife. If your religion (no idea what wiccans believe) has no faith in an afterlife then what's the point of a symbol on your grave marker?
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Originally posted by lukster
I have no problem at all giving a dead soldier the emblem of his/her choice on their grave marker. I'm not interested in joining a protest over it though.
Of course not, you haven't made it your job to protect constitutional rights. Disparaging those that do seems to be your gig.
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Originally posted by Booz
Of course not, you haven't made it your job to protect constitutional rights. Disparaging those that do seems to be your gig.
Actually I did make it my job for 20 years but I'm now retired. The ACLU isn't protecting my civil rights, far from it.
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Originally posted by lukster
I will add that the typical religious symbol conveys meaning in regards to the afterlife. If your religion (no idea what wiccans believe) has no faith in an afterlife then what's the point of a symbol on your grave marker?
What does a cross have to do with the afterlife?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
What does a cross have to do with the afterlife?
You're kidding right?
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Well, you said that the symbol has something to do with the afterlife, so you ask why the wiccans would need a symbol of their religion on their grave. I know that christianity _has_ an afterlife, but what does the cross have to do with it?
The marker on the grave is a symbol of religious identification, not a forwarding address.
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The cross as a symbol of Christianity is significant because it represents Christ's sacrifice in our place. It is the symbol of death defeated.
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it keeps you from becoming a vampire too
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Originally posted by lukster
The cross as a symbol of Christianity is significant because it represents Christ's sacrifice in our place. It is the symbol of death defeated.
Are you assuming that the Wiccan symbol doesn't have some equivalent emotional meaning of some sort to its practitioners? Also, what do you care what they have on their graves?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Are you assuming that the Wiccan symbol doesn't have some equivalent emotional meaning of some sort to its practitioners? Also, what do you care what they have on their graves?
Are you just wanting to argue? I told you I thought they had earned whatever symbol they might want on their grave marker. Even if it is pointless. I know nothing of wiccans other than they weigh the same as ducks. ;)
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Chairboy, you are aethesit, no?
Originally posted by lukster
I will add that the typical religious symbol conveys meaning in regards to the afterlife. If your religion (no idea what wiccans believe) has no faith in an afterlife then what's the point of a symbol on your grave marker?
He mentioned Wiccan needing grave symbols?
Originally posted by Chairboy
Well, you said that the symbol has something to do with the afterlife, so you ask why the wiccans would need a symbol of their religion on their grave.
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Re-read it, he asked WHY they would want it.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Re-read it, he asked WHY they would want it.
Maybe I'm confused?
He said aetheist wouldn't want grave symbols, yes?
He expressed ignorance about Wiccan beliefs, yes?
I read again but maybe missing something?
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I figured he was talking about Wiccans the whole time, what does atheism have to do with this? I know lukster wouldn't be dumb enough to troll atheism into the conversation about grave markers, why do _you_ think he would?
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Again, you are aetheist, no?
Article concerns Wiccans, yes?
Originally posted by Chairboy
I figured he was talking about Wiccans the whole time, what does atheism have to do with this?
Help understand my perspective?
Originally posted by lukster to Chairboy
I will add that the typical religious symbol conveys meaning in regards to the afterlife. If YOUR religion (no idea what wiccans believe) has no faith in an afterlife then what's the point of a symbol on your grave marker?
lukster discussing aetheist continually, yes?
Originally posted by Chairboy
I know lukster wouldn't be dumb enough to troll atheism into the conversation about grave markers, why do _you_ think he would?
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Nah, we were talking about wiccans, I doubt he'd bring up atheists suddenly. I read it as 'yor' to be the wiccan in question. Rhetorical and whatnot.
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Originally posted by sveno
the writer of above linked text is an extremist, a christian one - seems to live in a very small world, roughly the same world as every extremist (religious, national, etc), filled with fear, denial, ignorance and hatred.
the article itself cannot be taken serious in any way. i do respect subjectivity in most cases - but this is worse than the messiest UFO-report. my greatest fear is that actually someone believes in such things (takes loads of ignorance and denial). :p
loads of ignorance and denial?????????????????????
What do you know of communist?
What do you know about the history of KGB training of agents they intended to send to the U.S.
You are of course aware that Tsun Tzu is required reading in the Chinese intellegence community? And was required in the old Soviet regime?
You have also read and understand Tsun Tzu?
Do you know where, and how, those agents were trained.
Are you aware of just how far they are or were willing to go to achieve their goals?
You are of course aware that one of the major Soviet techniques was the use of DIS-information? You are aware of what dis-information is right?
Have you ever seen their handy work? I have.
I was stationed at Phu Bai. I saw one of the mass graves of mostly school teachers, police officers, public officials etc near Hue in 1968. They shot some at 1st. Guess they wanted to save ammo. They started clubing them with their rifles then, but apparently after breaking a few rifle stocks (bloody broken rifle stocks were found at the site) they stopped doing that. Did you know they buried many of those people alive? If I heard correctly,the article about it was in U.S. media for maybe 2 or 3 days then forgotten. Can't say I wasn't here to see how long the talked of it.
I could tell you far more, but I don't think you want to hear it. Many Vets could tell allot about communist and their methods. Sadly many Vets of Korea and Viet Nam prefer not to speak of it. You could ask why, and I could tell you they don't want to relive it, and I could tell you too many people upon hearing CAN'T deal with it and turn away in DISBELIEF and HORROR, and then are angry with the Vet for telling them. I KNOW, been there done that.
Look up the history/story of S/Sgt Larry Dring U. S. Army. His story is quite interesting. He started out as a Medic.
The claims in the article sound, or seem, pretty far out there. I'm NOT saying the article is accurate. Not saying I agree with it. Not saying I disagree with it either.
"loads of ignorance and denial" hmmm............ perhaps a bit of research is in order?
My Father used to say to me over and over "You can tell what kind of tree it is by the fruit".
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
They mingled freely with nude males, topless females, and sadomasochists. Simulated sex acts were performed along the parade route
I dont see a problem.
Is it true? Did it actually happen?
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Originally posted by detch01
The idea that there is some grand athiestic conspiracy to destroy western civilization is at best, absurd. What is there to discuss? I mean beside the paranoia of that particular author.
asw
Not sure the author was claiming it is grand athiest conspiracy? Is that what the article says, or what you see?
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Originally posted by Ghosth
"Some will tie in the (ok our) run away media with a very strong leftward slant.
I've seen just this argument and I'm inclined to think You have too.
The claim would be, will be, is? Most of the media is inclined to look the other way or even help................."
To me which way the media is biased is another like expecting schools to be right wing/christian. They are the way they are, your not going to change it.
Comes back to the old chesnut, "Only believe 1/10 of what you hear, 1/4 of what you read, and 1/2 of what you see"
You need to weigh every sentence in your head as your reading. Is this plausable? Probable? Can it be substanciated? Does it ring true? Or does it smell like horse droppings? What does the writer hope to gain? What proof does he offer? The difference between real journalism and rabble rousing lays in the answers to these and other questions.
The answers to such questions would rely heavily on each individuals knowledge base.
If you stand up in a crowded movie theater and yell fire you can be held liable for resulting damages. In spite of your "freedom of speech" You are expected to use it honestly, and considering consequences.
Our current media is in no way held accountable for what it puts out.
They let anyone yell fire in a crowded theater, indeed it happens every day.
Like a runaway train there is no one at the controls. If there was the article you wish to discuss would never have seen daylight. (which is my point btw)
IMHO Gotta be REAL careful with that! Could easily find ourselves with a muzzled freedom of speach. But I agree nothing within the constitution relieves anyone of the responsibilty for their freedoms. (Although some in congress and the senate have voted to exempt themselves from some of the laws thay impose on most Americans)
Snip "I find myself somewhat in disagreement with you on the education portion of your answer, the deffinition, that you seem to pose is what I have the most trouble with. That and the facts pointing to the steady dumbing down of our young people. The SEEMING failure to teach, to give our young people the basic tools such as reading, etc........"
Part of what your bringing up has nothing to do with the education system. And has everything to do with todays parents & children. It in no way reflects on the topic, that the education system has been liberalised.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can NOT make him drink.
You can put a child in school, but you can NOT make him want to learn.
That has to be accomplished by parents and the child itself.
I will say that not letting teachers disiplene children that need it has made this problem huge, epidemic in size. We are reaping what we have sowed, and will continue to do so.
Snippage
As to descended on the schools, ROFLMAO.
Change has ALWAYS happened through the education system.
Thats what its there for, thats its reason for existing.
So now a minor change is happening they someone doesn't agree with.
Yet if you gave them the chance they'd do the exact same thing only in their favor. Can anyone say double standard?
Not sure I agree with this viewpoint. To me education is reading, writting, arithmatic, etc... more along those lines then teaching them to have sex with whoever and/or whatever. Not sure they should be required to become muslim for a week study the Quaran and face meca and pray either.
Schools, colleges & university's have always been on average more liberal than the rest of the country at any given point you want to pick. Its the way it is, the way its always been. Tis the nature of the beast, so get over it.
Sniippage
Exactly what part of this do you disagree with wrag? You didn't exactly say.
The fact that Colleges & University's have always been harbours for the Liberal? Why do you think they call them "Liberal Arts" ???
They're not so liberal anymore. I stood with many when the accuzations was against the right for muzzling free speech in colleges, I find it seems now we have only traded a right muzzle for a left. Now the left has become the tyrants and are muzzling students freedom of speech with the famous Political Correctness theme. They seem to do it to the conservatives, christian, and white males mostly.
Or the fact that change tends to come from the Universitys and trickles down through society? Again proveable if your willing to dig. All the way back to the founding of this country!
No I'm not accusing you of taking a side Wrag. I mean exactly what I said. That is no one seems to want to play this particular game with you, & I wonder why. Gee, you suppose they've played this game before?
Maybe they think you don't play fair? Or just don't like the rules you play by.
Rules I play by? Not sure I understand that???
Either way its no big deal her. Beats going outside to rake leaves & get ready for winter.
& enjoy
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Originally posted by Booz
Of course not, you haven't made it your job to protect constitutional rights. Disparaging those that do seems to be your gig.
You KNOW this for a fact?
You KNOW he doesn't vote?
You KNOW he doesn't send mail, or emails.
You KNOW he doesn't call.
Pretty broad statement there................
If he served in the military then it was at one time his job to protect the constitution. He even took an oath to do so.
One does NOT have to join a protest to make themselves heard.
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Originally posted by Booz
I've already asked to hear what you think you read.
The EAC is curious too (if it existed, which it doesn't)
What I saw, or read in the article? There is a pretty good chance we both read the same thing. What I saw is perhaps different from what you saw.
Start with my reply to sveno 1st then we can discuss more.
And be ready cause we'll be getting into some history.
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Originally posted by IgnorantJoe
Maybe I'm confused?
He said aetheist wouldn't want grave symbols, yes?
He expressed ignorance about Wiccan beliefs, yes?
I read again but maybe missing something?
Why would ANYONE that does not believe in an afterlife want a symbol representing that nonbelief on their gravemarker? I believe that Christians want their symbol to remind others that death has no power over them.
Don't get me wrong, I think everyone is entitled to whatever symbol they want on their grave marker. I'm just trying to understand.
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The Wiccans don't believe in any sort of afterlife?
BTW, once again, it's a marker of religious affiliation, not a forwarding address.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
The Wiccans don't believe in any sort of afterlife?
BTW, once again, it's a marker of religious affiliation, not a forwarding address.
Let's back up. Why note religious affiliation on a grave marker? Do people put their education or job on 'em?
Seems I've read that Wiccans believe in reincarnation.
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the fact that so many athiests are liberal socialists and commies is not lost on the run of the mill citizen.
Most of us grew up with communism and knowing that when the athiests get in power... they "supress" religion and a belief in god.. they do it in the harshest terms.
to most.. the attacks on nativity scenes and "in god we trust" and not allowing children to pray in school all smack of this kind of repression.
right or wrong... the media and the education system are heavily lefty with more than their share of athiests... they control education and information and yet.... they still can't win. they never will in my opinion.
We can't do much about the media but the internet and cable have blunted the liberal athiests sword...
We need to work on education now... vouchers are the solution.
The thing about cable and the internet and vouchers is that they are about choice... given a choice.. the vast majority of humans avoid athiesm as a religion.
lazs
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Lazs, I'm neither liberal, socialist, or a commie. How do I fit in your stereotype?
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Originally posted by wrag
Is it true? Did it actually happen?
Yup, during the parade. This fruit cake chick who wrote the article has her panties in a bunch over it for some reason.
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chair.. I would submit that you aren't even stupid or fervent enough to be a real athiest.
lazs
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Yup, during the parade. This fruit cake chick who wrote the article has her panties in a bunch over it for some reason.
Was that the parade in which Nancy Pelosi participated? The parade in which the Grand Master is a MANBLA supporter? The same Nancy Pelosi who sanctimoniously denounced Foley?
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Originally posted by lazs2
chair.. I would submit that you aren't even stupid or fervent enough to be a real athiest.
...th..thanks?
:D
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Originally posted by lazs2
Most of us grew up with communism and knowing that when the athiests get in power... they "supress" religion and a belief in god.. they do it in the harshest terms.
Suppressing an opinion is what the bible thumping attack parrots did to my x-Gf & I while we were minding our own business. We didn't "believe", or give a rats sphincter what their opinions were.. but they gathered to yell insults and "suppress" my opinion they were delusional fanatics.
The same ilk as the "thank god for dead Marines" crowd. People who just can't seem to mind their own business.
Having "In god we trust" removed from a Govt building is removing a tax payer sponsored opinion about religion that doesn't belong there.
Let me know the next time a bunch of really bored atheists go shouting down church goers minding their own business.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Yup, during the parade. This fruit cake chick who wrote the article has her panties in a bunch over it for some reason.
Hmm it said middle school as well as high school. Middle school how young does that make some of them?
So your OK with people that young being around that sort of stuff?
Would you be comfortable with lifting the bans on pronography on all television stations/channels?
Just questions mind you, just wondering.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Suppressing an opinion is what the bible thumping attack parrots did to my x-Gf & I while we were minding our own business. We didn't "believe", or give a rats sphincter what their opinions were.. but they gathered to yell insults and "suppress" my opinion they were delusional fanatics.
The same ilk as the "thank god for dead Marines" crowd. People who just can't seem to mind their own business.
Having "In god we trust" removed from a Govt building is removing a tax payer sponsored opinion about religion that doesn't belong there.
Let me know the next time a bunch of really bored atheists go shouting down church goers minding their own business.
Hmmm............
So this has been made personal? Is that how you see it?
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Originally posted by lukster
Was that the parade in which Nancy Pelosi participated? The parade in which the Grand Master is a MANBLA supporter? The same Nancy Pelosi who sanctimoniously denounced Foley?
Probably, but so what? parades like that are freak shows, debauchery, folly.. and quite funny. People who cant find entertainment in a freak show, stay home.
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Could have been if it was in San Francisco. She wants to support Gay pride and Manbla it's her preogative. Was pure hypocracy for her to turn around and denounce Foley thereafter though.
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Originally posted by wrag
Hmm it said middle school as well as high school. Middle school how young does that make some of them?
So your OK with people that young being around that sort of stuff?
Would you be comfortable with lifting the bans on pronography on all television stations/channels?
Just questions mind you, just wondering.
I'm fine with it, if underage kids are there, blame their parents. I doubt what they see will do anything but make em laugh anyway.
I'm fine being around it, I worked a few parades like that and found it entertaining.. its a shocking public freak show, those who found it offensive were welcome to stay home and send strongly worded letters of UN proportions.
I'm also 100% ok with anyone being around it, if thats what they choose to do.. it doesn't affect me, and I have no business telling anyone what they should be into. I have better ways to waste time that serve me, if my fellow man wants to become a disgusting reprobate.. cool, I have popcorn to watch the show, and a handgun to keep the show off my porch.
I mind my own business and dont preach to others about whats best for them, thats their choice to make.
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Originally posted by wrag
Hmmm............
So this has been made personal? Is that how you see it?
I started to detest zealots when I was a cop working to protect young girls from space cadets hellbent on hurting their feelings... because of a difference of opinion.
When they decided to get in my business and insult us for not sharing their opinion, it became very personal. If my x-GF hadn't pepper sprayed them (and their brainwashed kids), I'd have rallied a few dudes, who were more than willing, for some payback. Actually if LAPD hadn't showed up, there would have been a very one sided public beating.
Anyone who minds their own business and stays out of my face with unwanted opinions, is cool with me. Insult me specifically for tending to legal business?, you bet its personal.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
I started to detest zealots when I was a cop working to protect young girls from space cadets hellbent on hurting their feelings... because of a difference of opinion.
When they decided to get in my business and insult us for not sharing their opinion, it became very personal. If my x-GF hadn't pepper sprayed them (and their brainwashed kids), I'd have rallied a few dudes, who were more than willing, for some payback. Actually if LAPD hadn't showed up, there would have been a very one sided public beating.
Anyone who minds their own business and stays out of my face with unwanted opinions, is cool with me. Insult me specifically for tending to legal business?, you bet its personal.
Legal business? Care to elaborate? If you're talking about an abortion clinic protest I side with those speaking for the ones that can't yet speak for themselves.
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Originally posted by lukster
Legal business? Care to elaborate? If you're talking about an abortion clinic protest I side with those speaking for the ones that can't yet speak for themselves.
Those people are fine, it's a constitutional right to protest. It's the bomb throwers and doctor shooters that are the problem in that group, in my eyes.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
I'm fine with it, if underage kids are there, blame their parents. I doubt what they see will do anything but make em laugh anyway.
I'm fine being around it, I worked a few parades like that and found it entertaining.. its a shocking public freak show, those who found it offensive were welcome to stay home and send strongly worded letters of UN proportions.
I'm also 100% ok with anyone being around it, if thats what they choose to do.. it doesn't affect me, and I have no business telling anyone what they should be into. I have better ways to waste time that serve me, if my fellow man wants to become a disgusting reprobate.. cool, I have popcorn to watch the show, and a handgun to keep the show off my porch.
I mind my own business and dont preach to others about whats best for them, thats their choice to make.
I see your point about blaming the parents.
PROVIDED the parents were consulted and gave permission.
Question is ... was that the case? I should think it was but?
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I live in DC PG County area Boozer and I agree 100%
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yep... who cares about your personal experiance xmarine... I can see how your chest thumping can get you in trouble tho... it seems that you are allways in some confrontation with someone.
either you need to move to a new place or grow some thicker skin. I have seen plenty of lefties and how they disrupt every peacful gathering..
That doesn't mean that every one is like that.
you want to attend a freak show that's sole intention is to offend and... then get all excieted when some become offended?
Sheesh... there are people on both sides who are wound too tight... I would say that you fit the bill pretty well yourself. I am glad you aren't a cop anywhere that I might be. You seem to find confrontation everywhere.
lazs