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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: jay1988 on October 11, 2006, 10:34:31 PM
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I have a older computer that i built. It had a 9800 pro but it burned out. I think my system spec are in my sig. I was just woundering what type of video card should i get thats cheap or what should i get thats agp.
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6800?:p
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x800's are a decent card under 150 too
also the other question is doesnt your 9800 card have a 3 yr warrenty ??? or a trade up program .
my 9600pro has that option .. something to look into
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it probably would have a three year replacement if i didnt chang my fan.
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Curses!
Well, if you can (*big if*) going from 512MB to 1024MB of RAM gives a noticable boost in performance. Keeping my old card (Ge4400) I went from 512 to 1.5GB and it was a huge huge improvement, not just in games, but in normal aps as well.
As for AGP cards: Some 6800s may be as "fast" as the low-end 7000 series, but they're not really comparable. They don't have all the built in support for some things (including OpenGL 2.0), and even if the relative specs are similar, the core itself is much more capable on a 7000 series. So, if you want a decent card for not too much money, and you want to stick with AGP (for now), try a 7600GSS for around $120
example link (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127219)
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how does the 7600 256mg compare to the 5200 128 card. Is it worth the money to upgrade?
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As in, the GeForce MX 5200?
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude. Night and day. No comparison between the cards.
The 5200 was barely better than the 4400 I used to have. I could barely do squat on it. I can do everything on the 7600GTS, and the GS isn't that far behind what I've got now. It's not just the MHz and RAM. It's the GPU processor and what it can do. It can do much much more.
P.S. the 256MB VRAM seems to be the basic high-end standard. 512MB cards often have slower (older) ram, but no real performance benefit. That's the gist of what I've got reading lots of reviews and forum threads.
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Just curious.
I have a GeForce 6600GT/256MB AGP that I've had a year or so. How far behind is it compared to a 7600GTS or a 6800?
Just wondering. thanks
-hb
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Hrm. I don't know specifically, but the 7600GT is supposed to be noticably better than the 6800 series. By "noticably better" I mean it has better FPS doing things like FSAA, aniso, higher resolutions, and in general it does more "goodies" for the same FPS. Something along those lines.
EDIT: The reason it does those "goodies" better is the GPU
EDIT2: I'll list my FEAR settings later tonight, and how much the FPS was on the "test configuration" button. It should give you an idea. I could barely run FEAR at all on the same system when it had a Ge4400 card in it. I had to turn everything off, use the lowest resolution, AND pixel doubling!!
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the 5200 card is the cheap bottem line card ... basically a entry level card that and the 9200 ati series are nothing but basic .
theres a ton of cards better then those two .
i was in compusa today and they have Ati 9800 pro 128 agp for 60 bucks now .
thats a worthy upgrade over the 5200/9200 cards .
the 7600 series is a Real gaming card compared to the pos 5200 series
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Rosco, I don't see the 9800 as much of an "upgrade" as it is a "sidewaysgrade". :cool:
9800 is about the same level as my Ge 4400ti (128MB), still way too far behind the leading edge to be competitive. (*opinion alert*)
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ti4400 ... lmao .. that card didnt hold a candle to my ti4600 night and day there .
but for a decient cheap upgrade from the 5200/9200 pos card the 9800 pro aint to bad exspecially at the 60 dollar price tag . thats what i was getting at . remember it was the top of the line card when it 1st came out .
far from sideways actually . sideways would be a 6200 pos card
btw you have that website that does the side by side card comparison ??? i lost it ...
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Any opinion on the ATI X1600 AGP?
Price isn't too bad and, you can still get em.
Somewhere between $140 and $180 U.S.
Memory of 512 version out there as well.
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Rosco: I can NEVER find that page!! I lost my bookmark of it and have been trying to find it since!
Wrag: Skip the X1600. All the benchmarks say the X800 is far better than it. It looks fast, it has lots of memory, but it's really bottlenecked somewhere on the card. I can't remember where, but part of it was the old DDR1 ram it uses. There were some other problems too. Go X800 or X850 instead, is the basic consensus.
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its posted somewere in this forum ...i put it up once or twice ...I just dont remember were ... (((insert Roo Stuck on stupid here)))
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X800 series better then 1400 1600 etc.
Have an X800XT it has 16 pipelines....faster data transfer naturally then the 12 pipeline models. Found an X800XTPro online and it still lists in the 300 dollar range which is more expensive the the X1600 etc with 512.\mem.
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Oh, yes, I forgot to post my FEAR settings.
CPU is my limiting factor, so autodetect set physics to medium, sound to medium, particle bounce to medium, shells on, world and corpse detail to max.
GPU settings:
Everything is maxed, EXCEPT:
water = med
volumetric light density = med
FSAA = off
soft shadows = off (I tried it on, and they didn't work right, also took a big hit in performance)
aniso 4x
1024x768
The test gave the following FPS:
Min: 25 (0% below 25)
Avg: 40 (52% between 25 and 40)
Max: 102 (48% above 40)
Funny thing is, setting FSAA to 4x gave the following:
Min: 25 (0% below 25)
Avg: 44 (58% between 25 and 40)
Max: 99 (42% above 40)
So FSAA doesn't hurt it at all! Good to know! (I just learned this today)
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http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php
try this for card comparisons.
shamus
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krusty the reason you probibly had virtually had no slowdown was because AA can quadruple the amount of memory needed. but at less than 1 Megapixel, verry little memory is nessasary in order to achive high FPS so 4x AA shouldnt be hard to render. ( Acutally Krusty, the only reason cards w/ more ram feel slower is due to higher latencies, not slower ram. but those cards shine at 1600x1200 ect. when it takes 512 MB of ram inorder to get 4x AA.) but the 6800 GS can have its 4 pixel pipes and 1 vertex engine unlocked (so it will be as fast as the 6800gt, but some people get artifacts doing that.) but krusty is right. GeForce 7 GPU's are much different in encryption keys, and the like. plus if you use Open GL apps GeForce7 is a better idea or the Ati comparison.
NOTE if you are going to run at 1024x768 you do NOT need anything w/ more than 256 mb of memory. 512mb of memory and you will see a slowdown, due to higher latencies.
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Side note: It's the 7800GT that "blows the 6800GT" away. The 7600GT is about comparable to the 6800GT, it seems.
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Guys...
You seem to know very much about VIDEO cards !
List me (your opinion) the top 3 cards I should buy.
Building from scratch and will be getting a 19" - 20" monitor ...
I want REALSIM and good sound effects....
THE REAL THING MAN !!!!
If your schedule permits, add some Pos / Neg on each of them ....
Tks guys !
Canadian Phil
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I sent you a reply to your PM. Basically it depends on your budget. Do you want cheap, do you want super high end, or do you want middle of the road that will still let you play games that come out next year?